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Re: So how bout that Maid Cafe eh?
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2007, 07:27:36 PM »

^^ ah... this'll be amusing.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, views, and 2 cents...
I wasn't, I got banned for it.

Being part of the project myself, I admit that improvements/conscructive critics are sometimes necessary to make this "authentic" experience... but of course we also have some social and logistic boundaries....
I was criticized and banned because I said there are things that were being done wrong, called out Chun getting wrongfully kicked off the team, and he was the only one in the group that knew a thing about the subject.

Unlike our 'cool' japanese counterparts, our staff is purely voluntary most of whom never been to a maid cafe or had any extensive training and thus we can't give what some everyone what they want as an "enlightening" experience.
Yes, are maid are encouraged to interact with our patrons but we did not force them to interact/contact/flirt/embrace was their choice. You really want to force a girl to call someone "master"? thats a whole other debate I'd rather not get into now...
I linked these together. First, the one person that said he'd help with training and helping the maids understand what they should try to be doing, was kicked off the team because he tried to help and was considered "harassing and bothering people" for asking things like "when are you going to do this? When are you going to send me the plans that you said you'd send to me 2 months ago?" As for the second part...   

Then why are they volunteering? You don't apply to do a job that you don't want to do. You don't volunteer to pick up trash on the highway, if you aren't willing to pick up trash. You shouldn't be forcing the volunteers to do something they volunteered to do.


Yes, we had a small cramped space, because it was out first try. We were assuming small turn out, (considering we wanted to keep things small and experiemental) and that was the best space we could manage at the time.
Oh, but it was predicted otherwise. Any logical reasoning would have told you what would have happened. Sure, it was experimental, and what not, but that wasn't the reason it was given that spot... but that's an afair that I shouldn't get into.

Yes, we had limitions with food service because of public/legal and union policies...
You try messing with Lawyers and Punal Codes....
Sure. I asked for the regulations and stuff, and I have lawyer friends, in addition to what I've researched myself. It wouldn't have been too hard for me to get a base list of what could and couldn't be done and what could be used as loopholes etc.

Yes, I understand the "fanboy stereotypical maid" in question is subsurvent to the letter, but we really dont want these 'actions' to be misinterpreted. 
And you'd be wrong about being subsurvent to the letter. There is an air that a maid has to carry and there are many different "types" that could be done and still carry this air. Misinterpereted? A maid is not much different than a waitress. It's not often you hear about waitresses being misinterpereted by serving their patrons and being nice. Also, again, the whole point was to be a "authentic maid cafe". What could be misinterperetted? No one in their right mind would walk into something being publicized as a "maid cafe" and get get mad because a maid is acting like a maid. Or am I completely missing something here.

However - Lots of Negative/Slanted press was also present. Some comments were borderline comparing us to an "escort" services which is definately NOT the image Fanime nor our staff wanted to present... but nontheless it happened.
Regardless of what you did there would be negative comments, and those negative comments would have happened no matter what because some people are just stupid and looking for something to whine about, even if it's baseless. The comparison of being an escort service doesn't even make sense at all, so why care? If it was something that was realistic in a complaint then you might care.

Believe it or not as with MANY of the events with Fanime there will always be LEGAL issues with a project/fan service like this.
Yes there will, what're you getting at?

You think Fanime happens overnight? I Beg to differ.
This went on for about 6 months. It was going on longer before I entered the scene, and I heard much about it from many different parts. I heard from staff, I heard from volunteers, and I heard from people that got kicked out, as well as what I saw with my own eyes. What changed between the time I joined and the con itself? I offered to help and was told that if I wanted, they would send me a list of limitations, as well as what they planned on teaching the maids. I was never given anything, and yelled at, and banned.

We're not that were trying to "mislead" our dedicated Fanime-goers with a 'Lame interpretation' or a 'Maid Cafe'... We know that the fans deserve better than that... but also remember the whole 'For Fans by fans' also potentially means an ameteurish result from time to time... so please bear with us.
And I offered to help you guys out by pointing out what you could do, and what you could change. What was required, and all these different things you should think about. None of them were considered, and I was banned, because I questioned, the great lord and lady of the Maid Cafe.

We honestly can't please everyone, and if you don't like it, please take your negative vibes somewhere else please.
Oh this one makes me laugh... really. Basically you're saying, you can't please everyone, so anyone that says anything negative shouldn't, because anything negative shouldn't be heard... right? You don't get it, it's these comments that tell you how you can improve and what you're doing wrong. You're going about this wrong, and should listen to the people that know better.

I respect and deeply appreciate everyone's effort to helping this project last year so anyone still interested, we will be recruiting for Fanime 2008 sooner or later.

We will be getting a larger area with Extended hours. Among taking as many new 'improvements' for next year.

If you wish to discuss this further please free to do so...

Just again please keep this in mind this is UNOFFICIAL not to be confused with what actually can/will happen next year.

Play nice. Thats a good rule of thumb.

Thanks.
*step off soap box*

The biggest problem you have, is that everyone that ran it, hadn't a clue as to what SHOULD be done and what SHOULDN'T be done. The girls were basically told generic advice that had no actual content in it. It was obvious that the girls were running around and just acting on their own not really knowing a thing. You could tell who had basic knowledge and tried to incoorporate what they did know, and who didn't. And instead of sucking it in, and accepting this, you acted stubborn and kicked members out of the team, tried to get people banned from forums, and a number of other things.

It was simple, if you didn't agree with what I said, fine, you don't need to, it's your project, but getting upset and kicking people up, banning people, just showed your own superiority complex... and your own insecurities about the subject.

Frankly, I know more about this subject than probably anyone on the Fanime staff. I know plenty of friends and people that know way more than me(to whom I consulted and listened to, as well, they changed some of the presumptions I had that were wrong). I changed a lot of Jun's presumptions way back then, and that's how we started talking, because instead of bitching at me for telling her she was wrong, she learned from what I said about the subject, since she knew that I was more knowledgable abot the subject.

Oh and Jerry, some advice when you're running the Maid Cafe. When someone comes up and is looking around, and you talk to them. "Do you need something" isn't a good word choice. Neither is "Well you see that line, they're all ahead of you so get to the back of that line if you want to get in" when they ask if they can get a table.

Though when you said that, it did make me laugh quite a bit, as you were supposedly "hosting a maid cafe".
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Re: So how bout that Maid Cafe eh?
« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2007, 09:09:34 PM »

So me tired of people bullshitingly talking bad about a project that worked.

Lets start with the name:

"MAID" Cafe.  The place is a Cafe environment, and there are maids working at it.  Yes there is something called maid cafe in Japan, and yes the idea was originally started from their roots but if you actually went to the meetings you would have learned that the group changed from that.  The basis of my understanding of the project is my first thought.  Maids working at a cafe environment.

Second off, if you have such strong views on the project, and you say your views are right.  Well why don't get off your lazy ass and work at it.  Hell even start your own if you want.  In all truth I don't really care.

Thirdly I didn't take the time to read your whole bullshit respond to Jerry.  I started reading it and stopped after you made a statement that was so ridiculously stupid that I didn't bother reading the rest of your crap.  People picking up trash in the highway are not volunteers.  They are doing that because they committed a crime and now must pay the time.  Volunteers that picking up trash go to beaches, parks, and nature areas.

Thank you very much and you all have a nice a day.
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Re: So how bout that Maid Cafe eh?
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2007, 10:17:53 PM »

So me tired of people bullshitingly talking bad about a project that worked.

Lets start with the name:

"MAID" Cafe.  The place is a Cafe environment, and there are maids working at it.  Yes there is something called maid cafe in Japan, and yes the idea was originally started from their roots but if you actually went to the meetings you would have learned that the group changed from that.  The basis of my understanding of the project is my first thought.  Maids working at a cafe environment.

Second off, if you have such strong views on the project, and you say your views are right.  Well why don't get off your lazy ass and work at it.  Hell even start your own if you want.  In all truth I don't really care.

Thirdly I didn't take the time to read your whole bullshit respond to Jerry.  I started reading it and stopped after you made a statement that was so ridiculously stupid that I didn't bother reading the rest of your crap.  People picking up trash in the highway are not volunteers.  They are doing that because they committed a crime and now must pay the time.  Volunteers that picking up trash go to beaches, parks, and nature areas.

Thank you very much and you all have a nice a day.

A project working that banked off the ignorance of people isn't something to be proud of when talking about a con "by fans, for fans".

As for your second point. I OFFERED to help. I told them I'd write up a bunch of things that should be focal points, and gave them to Chun. HE GOT KICKED OFF THE TEAM, because he was pushing things to happen.

Your third point is hillarious. Besides my statement being true(you ever see those clean highway project sponsored by so and so business here. Volunteers are often timed the ones that do the cleaning, and the sponsorship pays for the supplies, lunches etc for that. The Key Club at my high school, as well as many others took part in that), it doesn't change the point. So basically you're stating you stopped reading because a point that you thought was false, despite it having absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.

So... should... I... some how... care? You basically are saying "Hey the title gave what it said it would, and it's not our fault people might expect more seeing that the theme and idea is based on something else. We said 'maid cafe' and that's what they were given. If they too bad for anyone that thought they were getting something close to authentic."

And then...

"LOL you are stupid and nothing you say matters because you think volunteers clean up highways, even though the point was to explain that volunteers are volunteering to do a job and they shouldn't volunteer unless they want to do the job... but that doesn't matter... BECAUSE YOU THINK VOLUNTEERS CLEAN UP HIGHWAYS!"

So, does that about cover it?
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Re: So how bout that Maid Cafe eh?
« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2007, 10:31:26 PM »

I have no witty reply.

Hence I will post random megatokyo.
YaY for crazy fanboys who know more more than I do  :D

http://www.megatokyo.com/index.php?strip_id=1042

fixed, i posted the wrong comic originally. and its nice because it has maids.

I think.
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Re: So how bout that Maid Cafe eh?
« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2007, 10:36:06 PM »

I suggest you remove the direct link. I'm fairly certain Piro doesn't appreciate you hard linking his comic and taking his bandwidth(rather I am certain). And I suggest you do so now, seeing that a lot of Megatokyo staff goes to Fanime and wouldn't appreciate this.

Oh, and I find it humerous how I, along with a few other people constantly discuss how Piro doesn't know crap about Japan and often times misinterperates a lot of things about it. That comic for example. The fact that he's ordering a "Coke" is wrong, seeing that no one in Japan would call it "Coke". "Cola" or if they wanted to be specific "Coca-Cola".
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Re: So how bout that Maid Cafe eh?
« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2007, 10:42:38 PM »

I suggest you remove the direct link. I'm fairly certain Piro doesn't appreciate you hard linking his comic and taking his bandwidth(rather I am certain). And I suggest you do so now, seeing that a lot of Megatokyo staff goes to Fanime and wouldn't appreciate this.

Fixed. you actually asked me nicely. See thats all you have to do if you attended the meetings. You said it yourself that Jun sees and even agrees with some of your points, and we still have a ways to go. If you want to be more involved, the please do so during the meetings in person. Whenever that is.  ::)

I just dislike that we're all on different pages and everything ends up being choas. but then again thats life. so most of us will just deal and take it in stride.

Well at least that how it works with me.
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Re: So how bout that Maid Cafe eh?
« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2007, 10:54:15 PM »

Oh, and I find it humerous how I, along with a few other people constantly discuss how Piro doesn't know crap about Japan and often times misinterperates a lot of things about it. That comic for example. The fact that he's ordering a "Coke" is wrong, seeing that no one in Japan would call it "Coke". "Cola" or if they wanted to be specific "Coca-Cola".

So wait, they do serve Coke in Japan?

Must be nice to have it served by Maids in a Cafe.

I wonder if they also give special haircuts at discounted prices.

That or order a Rent-a-zilla. Maid acessories possibly available.

Some small parts not and batteries not included.

Gotta have that nice refreshing beverage when fighting zombies.  :)
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Re: So how bout that Maid Cafe eh?
« Reply #27 on: December 14, 2007, 11:22:41 PM »


A project working that banked off the ignorance of people isn't something to be proud of when talking about a con "by fans, for fans".

As for your second point. I OFFERED to help. I told them I'd write up a bunch of things that should be focal points, and gave them to Chun. HE GOT KICKED OFF THE TEAM, because he was pushing things to happen.

Your third point is hillarious. Besides my statement being true(you ever see those clean highway project sponsored by so and so business here. Volunteers are often timed the ones that do the cleaning, and the sponsorship pays for the supplies, lunches etc for that. The Key Club at my high school, as well as many others took part in that), it doesn't change the point. So basically you're stating you stopped reading because a point that you thought was false, despite it having absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.

So... should... I... some how... care? You basically are saying "Hey the title gave what it said it would, and it's not our fault people might expect more seeing that the theme and idea is based on something else. We said 'maid cafe' and that's what they were given. If they too bad for anyone that thought they were getting something close to authentic."

And then...

"LOL you are stupid and nothing you say matters because you think volunteers clean up highways, even though the point was to explain that volunteers are volunteering to do a job and they shouldn't volunteer unless they want to do the job... but that doesn't matter... BECAUSE YOU THINK VOLUNTEERS CLEAN UP HIGHWAYS!"

So, does that about cover it?

You see the project wasn't there to feed of people's ignorance.  That is like saying I will go tot Jack-in-the-box, expecting to get a Jack-in-a-box.  The only jack you will get is one of them little head and they come in a bag.  Is just a name, deal with it.  Second, when I meant help out with the project it was for you to get out of your little world and go to the meetings.  I am positive that if you are as resourceful as you say you are, you can easily find out where the meeting is at.  Then maybe some of your thoughts might get put through in the project.  You keep talking about Chun being kicked out, I went to the first meeting.  His thoughts for the project and that of the people who were put in charge of it were very different.  Then he spent the rest of the meeting looking at something up in a laptop ignoring the meeting.  Now I don't know about him getting kicked out or not, but in projects if you don't work because your views are being believed to be unreasonable at the time being and with the group...well I don't see why not you should take them out.  Why give credit where credit is not deserve?  Yes the thought was brought into by people outside of who are taking in charge, but the job to get it done...well those original people did not want to take the time or effort.  So again if you think it should be change to what you think is "authentic" maid cafe, go to a meeting and talk.

Well I am not part in this project.  I just have friends in it, and new ideas are alway welcome.  I say quit your belly acking.  If you want things to change go to the meetings.  Is that simple trust me.  Well I'm done here :P

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Re: So how bout that Maid Cafe eh?
« Reply #28 on: December 14, 2007, 11:34:27 PM »

You see the project wasn't there to feed of people's ignorance.  That is like saying I will go tot Jack-in-the-box, expecting to get a Jack-in-a-box.  The only jack you will get is one of them little head and they come in a bag.  Is just a name, deal with it.  Second, when I meant help out with the project it was for you to get out of your little world and go to the meetings.  I am positive that if you are as resourceful as you say you are, you can easily find out where the meeting is at.  Then maybe some of your thoughts might get put through in the project.  You keep talking about Chun being kicked out, I went to the first meeting.  His thoughts for the project and that of the people who were put in charge of it were very different.  Then he spent the rest of the meeting looking at something up in a laptop ignoring the meeting.  Now I don't know about him getting kicked out or not, but in projects if you don't work because your views are being believed to be unreasonable at the time being and with the group...well I don't see why not you should take them out.  Why give credit where credit is not deserve?  Yes the thought was brought into by people outside of who are taking in charge, but the job to get it done...well those original people did not want to take the time or effort.  So again if you think it should be change to what you think is "authentic" maid cafe, go to a meeting and talk.

Well I am not part in this project.  I just have friends in it, and new ideas are alway welcome.  I say quit your belly acking.  If you want things to change go to the meetings.  Is that simple trust me.  Well I'm done here :P


It's not "just a name" because it was a themed restaurant that was based on Japanese maid cafes, and that's how it was presented and advertised.

You realize that I lived in Southern California right? Yes, I could have flown up to norcal to attend the meetings, then flow back, but unfortunately I don't have the money to be wasting away like that, when I shouldn't have had to attend meetings to present ideas. I presented ideas here, and I was banned.

You obviously show that the subject doesn't matter, views don't matter, and your friends are in it, therefore you will defend them despite the facts of the subject. You showed that with your last post.

As for Chun getting kicked out... that's the thing, he was the only person that had a clue about what a Maid Cafe is... there goal. When the only person that knows anything about the subject ideas differ than the people running it, know nothing... and that person gets kicked out... something is wrong. Credit where due? He was knowledgable about the subject... he was telling them how things *should be*. The people running it, weren't taking the responsibility of running it, and he was asking about that, pushing for work to be done, and for things to be put out so things COULD be discussed and ideas could circulate... he got kicked out for that.

So if the boss isn't doing their job, and someone whose trying to make the project work, they are in the wrong?

Defending your friends is fine, but ignoring what happened to defend your friends isn't smart to do. They didn't do a good job running it, they abused power, and they refused to listen to anyone that didn't fully agree with them and questioned anything.
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Re: So how bout that Maid Cafe eh?
« Reply #29 on: December 14, 2007, 11:36:58 PM »

We had plenty of time during the maid cafe meetings to go over basic maid gestures and etiquette, but went into basic waitressing instead. Again, I'm well aware of the limits we had to face that'd limit us from using them, but don't imply that we didn't have the opportunity to inform those who were part of the project.

Yes, we had a cramped space, and it's good that people are bringing this up, so people working on the cafe acknowledges it as a problem. They'll just have to understand it was difficult for the first year.

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Yes, are maid are encouraged to interact with our patrons but we did not force them to interact/contact/flirt/embrace was their choice. You really want to force a girl to call someone "master"? thats a whole other debate I'd rather not get into now...

Yes, I understand the "fanboy stereotypical maid" in question is subsurvent to the letter, but we really dont want these 'actions' to be misinterpreted.

Excuse me? If you're advertising it as a "maid cafe", this is what maid cafes essentially do. Don't speak as if the suggestion was to force volunteers into doing provocative behavior. These girls aren't sluts. MAIDS aren't sluts.

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We're not that were trying to "mislead" our dedicated Fanime-goers with a 'Lame interpretation' or a 'Maid Cafe'... We know that the fans deserve better than that... but also remember the whole 'For Fans by fans' also potentially means an ameteurish result from time to time... so please bear with us.

Yes, just like anything new, we're a fluid and adaptable concept/event.

We know Fanime doesn't want to mislead anyone, but it's false advertising. I was excited to be a maid in the maid cafe, and as fun as it was... the fun wasn't from the project itself. All we were doing was wear costumes, serve tables, be rushed around the clock, and take pictures. I didn't get to be a maid, though... I was a waitress in a maid costume. (Which, if I don't think of it as a real maid cafe, it was good enough for me to do as an activity.)

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Frankly, I know more about this subject than probably anyone on the Fanime staff. I know plenty of friends and people that know way more than me(to whom I consulted and listened to, as well, they changed some of the presumptions I had that were wrong). I changed a lot of Jun's presumptions way back then, and that's how we started talking, because instead of bitching at me for telling her she was wrong, she learned from what I said about the subject, since she knew that I was more knowledgable abot the subject.

PSSSHH. I wasn't wrong about anything. You knew only slightly more than I had. Stop being a jerk to me. I hate you. No sex.

So me tired of people bullshitingly talking bad about a project that worked.

Lets start with the name:

"MAID" Cafe.  The place is a Cafe environment, and there are maids working at it.  Yes there is something called maid cafe in Japan, and yes the idea was originally started from their roots but if you actually went to the meetings you would have learned that the group changed from that.  The basis of my understanding of the project is my first thought.  Maids working at a cafe environment.

Second off, if you have such strong views on the project, and you say your views are right.  Well why don't get off your lazy ass and work at it.  Hell even start your own if you want.  In all truth I don't really care.

Thirdly I didn't take the time to read your whole bullshit respond to Jerry.  I started reading it and stopped after you made a statement that was so ridiculously stupid that I didn't bother reading the rest of your crap.  People picking up trash in the highway are not volunteers.  They are doing that because they committed a crime and now must pay the time.  Volunteers that picking up trash go to beaches, parks, and nature areas.

Thank you very much and you all have a nice a day.

You know, this'll sound like an insult... but the truth with you is somehow naturally/coincidentally insulting. You have issues, namely, anger issues. And because of your anger issues, it hinders your mental ability to think rationally or have the will to make the effort to understand things. Thirdly, you also seem to lack the intellect to contribute to anything useful... other than to flame comments that disagree with your groin or don't give you a lollipop to suck on.

But yeah, have a dandy day. ^_-b

Oh, and I find it humerous how I, along with a few other people constantly discuss how Piro doesn't know crap about Japan and often times misinterperates a lot of things about it. That comic for example. The fact that he's ordering a "Coke" is wrong, seeing that no one in Japan would call it "Coke". "Cola" or if they wanted to be specific "Coca-Cola".

... In God's f**k, please don't start on that again.


A project working that banked off the ignorance of people isn't something to be proud of when talking about a con "by fans, for fans".

As for your second point. I OFFERED to help. I told them I'd write up a bunch of things that should be focal points, and gave them to Chun. HE GOT KICKED OFF THE TEAM, because he was pushing things to happen.

Your third point is hillarious. Besides my statement being true(you ever see those clean highway project sponsored by so and so business here. Volunteers are often timed the ones that do the cleaning, and the sponsorship pays for the supplies, lunches etc for that. The Key Club at my high school, as well as many others took part in that), it doesn't change the point. So basically you're stating you stopped reading because a point that you thought was false, despite it having absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.

So... should... I... some how... care? You basically are saying "Hey the title gave what it said it would, and it's not our fault people might expect more seeing that the theme and idea is based on something else. We said 'maid cafe' and that's what they were given. If they too bad for anyone that thought they were getting something close to authentic."

And then...

"LOL you are stupid and nothing you say matters because you think volunteers clean up highways, even though the point was to explain that volunteers are volunteering to do a job and they shouldn't volunteer unless they want to do the job... but that doesn't matter... BECAUSE YOU THINK VOLUNTEERS CLEAN UP HIGHWAYS!"

So, does that about cover it?

You see the project wasn't there to feed of people's ignorance.  That is like saying I will go tot Jack-in-the-box, expecting to get a Jack-in-a-box.  The only jack you will get is one of them little head and they come in a bag.  Is just a name, deal with it.  Second, when I meant help out with the project it was for you to get out of your little world and go to the meetings.  I am positive that if you are as resourceful as you say you are, you can easily find out where the meeting is at.  Then maybe some of your thoughts might get put through in the project.  You keep talking about Chun being kicked out, I went to the first meeting.  His thoughts for the project and that of the people who were put in charge of it were very different.  Then he spent the rest of the meeting looking at something up in a laptop ignoring the meeting.  Now I don't know about him getting kicked out or not, but in projects if you don't work because your views are being believed to be unreasonable at the time being and with the group...well I don't see why not you should take them out.  Why give credit where credit is not deserve?  Yes the thought was brought into by people outside of who are taking in charge, but the job to get it done...well those original people did not want to take the time or effort.  So again if you think it should be change to what you think is "authentic" maid cafe, go to a meeting and talk.

Well I am not part in this project.  I just have friends in it, and new ideas are alway welcome.  I say quit your belly acking.  If you want things to change go to the meetings.  Is that simple trust me.  Well I'm done here :P

Not only was your reference was illogical, it barely applies to anything other than... utter stupidity. Is that how you normally think? A reference to how things were was pretty much like advertising authentic mexican food, when I'm serving a sandwich with beef, beans, and cheese. Chun may not had appeared to have contributed much to the project, but he was pretty much the ONLY ONE with the authority that had ANY knowledge of how a maid cafe would run. As for it being just a name, it isn't that simple. It's false advertising. From what I, and the people of this project had experienced from our debut year, an authentic maid cafe was I-M-P-O-S-S-I-B-L-E to have in FanimeCon. Though, a cosplay cafe would work a lot better. Not only that, but it'd be more flexible and easier on the workers maintain, and easier for the fans to accept.

So instead of whining about "belly aching", stop spouting jargon that is not only just stupid... but a waste of time.
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Re: So how bout that Maid Cafe eh?
« Reply #30 on: December 14, 2007, 11:39:05 PM »

Bleh... double post.
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Re: So how bout that Maid Cafe eh?
« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2007, 12:34:38 PM »

I wasn't actually really able to visit the maid cafe. My friends were supposed to be in it to, and they even bought their maid outfits. However, they changed their minds in the end.  ::)
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Re: So how bout that Maid Cafe eh?
« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2007, 09:21:38 PM »

I wasn't actually really able to visit the maid cafe. My friends were supposed to be in it to, and they even bought their maid outfits. However, they changed their minds in the end.  ::)
Ouch, that sux..those costumes weren't exactly cheap!!!

As far as I am concerned, the maid cafe went well for it's first year.

How about we all stop arguing over ""false advertisement" and "ignorance" and pull our brains together and come up with things that actually CAN be improved. Like...getting a bigger space.

If we get enough ideas and show them to the higher ups perhaps SOME of them will be used. Since this is the second year I am assuming there will be more improvements. So, instead of arguing with eachother over the name of the cafe, and such lets get ideas down.

My idea/opinion:
I think that the "maid training" needs to be better and less waitress like. Sure we should know how to carry a trey w/out spilling it all over everyone, but they should cover some other things. For example: I noticed that most of us had no clue as to what exactly we were supposed to do. I was lost half the time too.

When I got there, there was upposed to be a chart with maids names and table numbers on them. And we were supposed to take care of the people at those tables. That's what I was expecting when I got there. That way we could spend much more time with each cutumer rather then runing around asking each person that walks in if they want anything.

Those of you who were complaining about maids not spending enough of time w/ custumers, that little schedule can make it possible for the maid to spend more time w/ them.

Sadly, I have no clue what happened to the schedule, I got there and was like "deer caught in the headlights" expression. I think that's why a lot of the maids just kinda stood by the entrance.

Ooo...even better idea!!!!!! What if we split the maids up on the shifts. Have half give them food and small talk, while the other half takes pictures and have assigned tables so they can spend more time with the custumers? (but now when I think about it...that wouldn't work that well...I think.)

So now list your ideas, no more arguing please, it gets us nowhere.
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Re: So how bout that Maid Cafe eh?
« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2007, 09:37:41 PM »

well...here's my two cents on the whole deal. whether it has any worth is up to you.

from what i've read, the whole argument is about whether or not the concept of the Maid Cafe has been faithfully portrayed at the con. some people say that it worked for what was intended. others disagree.

here's my stance: if a majority of the consumers can't tell the difference, don't bother making changes. sure, there'll be a population who'll disagree with the treatment of the good/service, but you can't risk losing a majority of your market just to please a select few.

this kinda leans on what Pyron said about ignorance and the whole "It's Japanese. I want it. Don't care what it is, how it's done, etc." deal. i can agree that it was most of the people's state of mind when they went to it, much to the dismay of those who actually knew what a maid cafe was and was expecting a somewhat-like, if not similar experience. apparently, the former outnumbered the latter.

with that in mind, i reiterate: if most people can't tell the difference, is the integrity of the good/service really an important matter?

i don't believe so.

using the whole "cola" thing as an anaolgy, if i went to a restaurant and asked for "coke", and they said they only had pepsi, i assuume most people wouldn't give two rats' asses, with the exception of people who REALLY care about the differences in the products.
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Re: So how bout that Maid Cafe eh?
« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2007, 10:00:26 PM »

this kinda leans on what Pyron said about ignorance and the whole "It's Japanese. I want it. Don't care what it is, how it's done, etc." deal. i can agree that it was most of the people's state of mind when they went to it, much to the dismay of those who actually knew what a maid cafe was and was expecting a somewhat-like, if not similar experience. apparently, the former outnumbered the latter.

with that in mind, i reiterate: if most people can't tell the difference, is the integrity of the good/service really an important matter?

i don't believe so.

using the whole "cola" thing as an anaolgy, if i went to a restaurant and asked for "coke", and they said they only had pepsi, i assuume most people wouldn't give two rats' asses, with the exception of people who REALLY care about the differences in the products.
Mind of the businessman "IF they're stupid enough to like our crap, who gives a shit, because they're giving us money!"

I'm glad you think Fanime should be like that too. I think it shouldn't. I think it should try to be for the fans, about the fans, and striving to be the best it can for the fans. Not a "well they didn't notice us give them a pile of shit, so let's not change it".

The Cola analogy doesn't even apply. You want a more correct analogy?

Someone states, " can I have a coke please?" And the waitress brings them a pepsi without telling them they don't have any. Would most people be able to tell the difference? Probably not, only a few would... but does that make it right for the restaurant to do it? Playing on the ignorance of others, is NOT A GOOD THING.

Let's take it another way. You ever order a drink at a bar? If you ask for say, "a shot of vodka" they will give you a shot of the lowest quality crap vodka they can. Most people don't know this unless they frequent bars. However if you order a shot of say Grey Goose, or Belvedere, you will get a shot of that... for the exact same price. Knowing that, most people get annoyed that they're getting jipped just because they didn't specify a Vodka(but in this case, it's the customers fault, not the fault of the Bar).

Now with the Maid Cafe... it's like ordering a good drink, and them using bad quality, but you not knowing the difference really, because you know about ordering, but you don't know about the taste.

AngelKawaii: When the people that ran it, and the general concensus is that they made a lot of mistakes, mistakes that I brought up in the past and told them would be important... then you might get somewhere. People aren't willing to admit that they made a mistake, and should have listened to people that knew what they were taling about. I offered to help, and told them I would need infos so I can know what can be done.

A list of "random possibilities" that I could write on this subject could be pages and pages long, but how many of them would be doable... I would rather have a list to compare, so I won't waste my time listing 10 pages worth of stuff that can't be done.
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Re: So how bout that Maid Cafe eh?
« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2007, 10:06:08 PM »

Alright so...............................

Ouch, that sux..those costumes weren't exactly cheap!!!

As far as I am concerned, the maid cafe went well for it's first year.

How about we all stop arguing over ""false advertisement" and "ignorance" and pull our brains together and come up with things that actually CAN be improved. Like...getting a bigger space.

If we get enough ideas and show them to the higher ups perhaps SOME of them will be used. Since this is the second year I am assuming there will be more improvements. So, instead of arguing with eachother over the name of the cafe, and such lets get ideas down.

My idea/opinion:
I think that the "maid training" needs to be better and less waitress like. Sure we should know how to carry a trey w/out spilling it all over everyone, but they should cover some other things. For example: I noticed that most of us had no clue as to what exactly we were supposed to do. I was lost half the time too.

When I got there, there was upposed to be a chart with maids names and table numbers on them. And we were supposed to take care of the people at those tables. That's what I was expecting when I got there. That way we could spend much more time with each cutumer rather then runing around asking each person that walks in if they want anything.

Those of you who were complaining about maids not spending enough of time w/ custumers, that little schedule can make it possible for the maid to spend more time w/ them.

Sadly, I have no clue what happened to the schedule, I got there and was like "deer caught in the headlights" expression. I think that's why a lot of the maids just kinda stood by the entrance.

Ooo...even better idea!!!!!! What if we split the maids up on the shifts. Have half give them food and small talk, while the other half takes pictures and have assigned tables so they can spend more time with the custumers? (but now when I think about it...that wouldn't work that well...I think.)




I don't know about the rest of you but I kinda like AngelKawaii's idea. I hope the maid cafe will be at the Fanime next year. w00t!
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Re: So how bout that Maid Cafe eh?
« Reply #36 on: December 20, 2007, 10:30:41 PM »

I think I already mentioned that the area of where Maid Cafe is going to be at least twice as big....

Technically that doesnt saying anything else at the momment, but brainstorming is always a good start. However...

Depending on who or which maids would be interested in coming back next year, there's still lots of improvements and reality checks that need to be done.

Where as I do find some of Mickey's points valid, again I dont pretend that they fall on deaf ears with some, but I just support my friends and fellow staff members by trying to help out.

If you really want to change things, I suggest speaking face to face with the Live Programing Head and Maid Cafe Dept Head.

Just because its typed here in the forums doesnt means anything will change. Anything here on this forums doesnt have any executive authority as far as i could tell.

then again i could be wrong, Most the time I'm just throwing out internet fluff, mostly because I like to rant about nothing in particular. :D
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Re: So how bout that Maid Cafe eh?
« Reply #37 on: December 20, 2007, 10:38:02 PM »

If you really want to change things, I suggest speaking face to face with the Live Programing Head and Maid Cafe Dept Head.

Who do you think told me to post on this forum and throw out stuff last year. Yes sir, Jason Ebner.

Who was Maid Cafe Dept Head last year? Sydney.

What happened when I listened to Ebner, and told Sydney what she was doing wrong, and how she could improve, things she needs to focus on... in these forums?

SHE TRIED TO GET ME BANNED.

She even argued with me when I told her that her sig banner was wrong, and she was misusing Japanese to write "fanimaid cafe" in Japanese.

Last I remember Jerry, you supported her and all that happened concerning that as well.

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Re: So how bout that Maid Cafe eh?
« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2007, 10:49:11 PM »

Hmm..

is that why everyone keeps telling me about this " Blame Ebner " T-shirt floating around ?

Ha, I think I actually get it now. I had no clue.

As for support, that's right I did support my friends and Staff and trying to help out a cause I admit I know nothing about.

But I'm sorry you weren't voted Head of the Dept.

If you want to start your own better version of a cafe, then by all means I would salute you good sir for giving the fans what they deserve.

Until then, I applaud you for trying to make the world a better place.  :)

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Re: So how bout that Maid Cafe eh?
« Reply #39 on: December 21, 2007, 12:41:49 AM »

Mind of the businessman "IF they're stupid enough to like our crap, who gives a shit, because they're giving us money!"

actually, i was thinking more along the lines of, "If I leave content either way, I think it's worth it especially if there is no remorse."

i'm sure you may have heard otherwise, Pyron, but i've seen much more positive feedback than i've seen negative.

if people are happy in the end, isn't that what matters?

and as far as you being "glad" that i believe that Fanime should take more of a commercial route, you may be half-right. after all, if the con didn't have the scratch, for all we know it'd take place in some guy's garage.

at the risk of sounding like a capitalist pig-dog, money, and obtaining it, is what's running Fanime. however, we obviously do not see the same matter in the same light.

i see it as "i'm happy with what i got" as opposed to you seeing it as "i'm happy because i don't know it's shit", as you put it.
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