I haven't heard much discussion here about the ballot initiatives for the upcoming election.
Here is a list of the initiatives , with a short description: http://as.sdsu.edu/rockthevote/california.html
i'd suggest reading up on them. Any feedback?
I'm strongly against proposition 8: limits on marriage.
I'd say yes on prop 2. Our meat should come from happy animals.
Cliff notes version of what I think:
Proposition 1= Voting Yes
Proposition 4= Voting No
Proposition 7= Dunno (Need to ask my uncle how it would affect his business)
Proposition 8= Voting No
Proposition 10= Dunno (Same as 7)
Others=Not sure yet.
I can't vote, but whatever.
Prop 2, 10: Yes.
Prop 1, 3, 4, 8, 9: No.
Prop 5, 6, 7: I'm partial to these.
Proposition 1: No. I like public transportation, but Amtrack already exists and mass transit works better in metropolitan areas as opposed to spread out over the third largest state.
Proposition 2: No. Waste of time and money.
Proposition 3: Yes. Hooray for hospitals.
Proposition 4: No. While I think parents should be notified, again, the law is a waste of time and money.
5: Yes,
And
6: Yes. Less time on nonviolent drug offenders, more time on violent gangs. Still, stay off the doobie kids.
7: Yes. Though I still say a nice good 'ol nuclear reactor in a part of the state we dont' like is a good alternative.
8: No. I'm not gay, but I like to keep my options open.
9: Yes. It's not just about the suspect.
10: No. I like the money for research, but not the money given to people for buying cars. Maybe when the Prius' battery isn't a giant pollutant box.
11: What the hell? I think I get it...so I'll go with yes.
12: Yes.
I'm probably voting "No" on all the measures except Prop. 5 (Nonviolent Offenders. Sentencing, Parole and Rehabilitation ) and possibly prop 1A (the high speed rail initiative). Prop 8 should have been pulled off the ballot (The wording was changed after the signatures on thw petitions were collected).
im really happy to see everyone voting no on 8. =)
my mom just got married a couple weeks ago to her girlfriend of 14 years, and i'd love to see that stay valid. =)
The commercials for Prop 8 are pretty retarded. They act like the state will burn and crush all the churches in California if gays can marry. Plus the only argument presented is that you vote yes simply because for old times sake.
And again,yes on prop 2. Aside from humane treatment of animals, their current living conditions are ripe for diseases.
Quote from: Glitch on October 01, 2008, 03:11:44 PM
The commercials for Prop 8 are pretty retarded. They act like the state will burn and crush all the churches in California if gays can marry. Plus the only argument presented is that you vote yes simply because for old times sake.
Which would pretty much work for the folks they're aiming those ads at. Hopefully the polls will prove accurate and show that those folks are now in a minority of voters.
Proposition 1 - I'm indecisive about it. Yea, we have Amtrak so I don't really see much use in another rail system, but perhaps if it makes public transport prices cheaper, I may be inclined to say yes, but I don't know... :-\
Proposition 2 - Yes, because to cramp up animals in a confined space would just increase the chances of contaminated meat.
Proposition 3 - Yea, for obvious reasons. lol
Proposition 4 - Dude seriously, this law is only going to scare girls from safe abortion practices. Like Dan said, a waste of time and money.
Proposition 5 and 6 - Indecisive, because I feel we already spend tons of money on these criminal facilities(Hell, the juvenille correctional facilities have better computer equipment than most schools I know of), but I also feel that rehabilitation is needed to prevent these things from happening frequently.
Proposition 10 - Yes, for obvious reasons as well. Besides, with Bush vetoing every single renewable energy-related bill out there, someone's gotta start somewhere.
Proposition 8 - No. Clearly if two straight people who hate each other has more of a right to be together than two gays who love each other, you know something is wrong with our social standards...
Proposition 9, 12, and 11 - Indecisive. I don't really get the logistics of either one.
After further reading of Prop 7, I had decided to vote No on it because of all the fundamental flaws contained in writing it.
Put me down for "Yes" on Prop 2.
On Proposition One, this will be for a high-speed rail line running between SoCal and the Bay Area, sort of like the lines that Japan has throughout their country and what Europe has. Yes, we have Amtrak, and Amtrak stinks on ice. Hopefully, this'll be better in terms of it being faster and running a lot more often (IIRC, the Amtrak runs trains between the Bay Area and SoCal only once a day each way), and will hopefully be cheaper than flying these days.
It's too bad the US as a whole isn't keeping up with Japan and Europe as far as rail service goes. At least we have the opportunity to take some steps as a state, though.
Hi guys, other than just saying "I'd like to vote for #" expand on it. Give us a reason, without explanation it's just blank words to up your post count on this forum.
Quote from: Stormfalcon on October 11, 2008, 07:59:33 AM
On Proposition One, this will be for a high-speed rail line running between SoCal and the Bay Area, sort of like the lines that Japan has throughout their country and what Europe has. Yes, we have Amtrak, and Amtrak stinks on ice. Hopefully, this'll be better in terms of it being faster and running a lot more often (IIRC, the Amtrak runs trains between the Bay Area and SoCal only once a day each way), and will hopefully be cheaper than flying these days.
Which is one of the best reasons to vote yes on 1A
here are my throwdowns for these props
1A/1: Yes: because we are a modernizing state, I live in a area (lol central valley) where there is barley any means of public transportation to get to the bay area, Aside from ACE that runs on the weekdays (it doesnt run on the weekends), and Amtrak and greyhound cost alot. At th Rate of us consumming our natural resources it is ideal for a bullet train from sac to socal and it will also transfer to places like bart and such to get to the bay area. Plus some of our Merced and other central valley friends can use this as well since it will expand everywhere.
2: Yes: I have seen the horrible conditions that these animals are held in, small cramped cages, Tiny boxes that lead these animals to their deaths. At least give room so these animals dont develop diseases and are at peace rather then stressing out in these filth boxes that big companies have placed on these cute animals. They would get better treatment and ban electric prod and castrating lambs and pigs tails and such. Lets put the cruelty behind!
3: Yes: Children hospitals need to expand
4: No: A girl has the right to decide regardless of age to abort the girl has the right to tell her parents because not all parents are going to be understanding.
5 and 6: Yes: because I feel that it could reduce crime rates and help the prevention of future violences
7: No: It will shut down current energy saving buisneses because it will be tanked over by big companies and I dont like to see the little company go down and it looks a bit poorly written like there are a few loopholes since not everyone can afford an energysaving appliance with our current economy
8: No, its only fair if two straight people can get married then two gay/lesbian/bi/transgendered people to get married as well.
9: I am unsure about this at the moment
10: Yes: because at the rate we are consuming gas there will be no more natural resources and I dont want to resort to offshore drilling because it could affect our oceans even more. I mean they are polluted lets not cause a huge oilspill like the ones in alaska (if anyone remembers the big one in like 94 where it affected alot of wildlife species). Its about time we reduce pollution and start finding cleaner energy sources
11: Im unsure about it
12: Yes Since our war veterans need alot of help they could get plus =\ it sickens me when young people disrespect our elder war veterans
I'm not going to touch all of these.
But I will said that I had the chance to take high-speed rail across France a couple weeks ago.
It was awesome. Going a peak of 200 mph across the country, and covering 450 miles in 3 hours (point to point)
is nifty. It's like regular rail, but the scenery moves very fast.
If I could hop on a train from my house and go to LA in 2 hours or San Diego in 3 hours, I'd probably go every week. That's way different from anything Amtrak provides.
Yes, I know Prop 1A is flawed, and there are some other issues. To all this logic, I counter: It's cool.
So, Prop 1A. Because it's cool.
OK, I already voted via absenty, but here is a rundown on what I voted for Prop 8.
Short answer: NO!
Long Answer: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I am kinda amused. I think professing your vote for no on 8 is kinda like preaching to the choir. My gut tells me that the demographic that visit this forum especially this sub-forum is not of the variety that would curtail rights in the name of religion.....yall watch anime:P
I prefer to say that religions are just guidelines, giving some moral rules as to what you should do. Ultimately, the choice to decide on a deeper level is a personal choice, imo.
Picking and choosing =/= understanding what you really believe that differs from religion.
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Random side comment: I have Mormons that live down stairs from me and have a big "Yes on prop 8" sign posted on the sidewalk so cars that drive by see it. I'm really against prop 8 and think it shouldn't even be on the ballot in the first place - we live in a nation that claims freedom and equality for all, so why not gays? Anyways, I don't know whether I should talk to my downstairs neighbor about taking down the sign because not everyone in the building agrees with it, or just put up a couple of signs of my own in the front of the building. I know it doesn't really matter that much, but it bugs me anyways. D:
I'd say the latter. They have the right to state their views. By the same token, you also have the right to state your views as well. They're not likely to take down the signage unless forced to, so it may be better to counter it with your own.
On the other hand, I presume you live in an apartment building and rent, or are living in a condo complex. You might want to check your rental agreements and/or other papers associated with your residence. Your landlord (or residents' association) may have rules against political signage (like a lot of other things) if it's a multi-unit complex.
Quote from: questionette on October 28, 2008, 05:42:13 PM
Random side comment: I have Mormons that live down stairs from me and have a big "Yes on prop 8" sign posted on the sidewalk so cars that drive by see it. I'm really against prop 8 and think it shouldn't even be on the ballot in the first place - we live in a nation that claims freedom and equality for all, so why not gays? Anyways, I don't know whether I should talk to my downstairs neighbor about taking down the sign because not everyone in the building agrees with it, or just put up a couple of signs of my own in the front of the building. I know it doesn't really matter that much, but it bugs me anyways. D:
My friend supports prop 8 but he got his sign taken away at 3am in the morning ~o~llll His neighbor saw some strange people in a truck take away the sign and replace it with a big "NO". That's like infringing on people's rights to express their views. Oh that was a short story about a prop 8 sign, not really related to your post lol. Except both are prop 8 sign stories! High five!
I say no on Prop 8 because it is unfair to those gays, and doesn't really hurt me as a non-gay. >__<
Quote from: questionette on October 28, 2008, 05:42:13 PM
Random side comment: I have Mormons that live down stairs from me and have a big "Yes on prop 8" sign posted on the sidewalk so cars that drive by see it. I'm really against prop 8 and think it shouldn't even be on the ballot in the first place - we live in a nation that claims freedom and equality for all, so why not gays? Anyways, I don't know whether I should talk to my downstairs neighbor about taking down the sign because not everyone in the building agrees with it, or just put up a couple of signs of my own in the front of the building. I know it doesn't really matter that much, but it bugs me anyways. D:
Hey, my Family is mormon, think what I have to deal with. The sad thing is how they contradict themselves. They say it's not natural, and therefore is wrong. On the same token, there driving cars and think that is perfectly fine. ::) :P ??? :-\
The reason I have denounced religion.
EDIT: No on Prop 8 BTW, as it is against all that this country stands for. That is, if I was old enough to vote XD
From the apartments I lived in, we were only allowed to post in our windows and not on apartment property. A complaint to the landlord would prob get it removed, but thats also dependent on where the landlord's sympathies lie.....
I now live in Seattle so my opinion about California ballot initiatives don't count for much ha ha!
There's proposition 1 up here in Seattle which is basically a proposal to build a Light rail line.
I voted NO because frankly I'm happy with the bus system already and I really don't want to pay more taxes.
There's a bus stop 4 min walk from where I live that runs every 10 min during rush hour time. nifty huh? ;D
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From What I could tell about prop 2, The actual prop itself didn't say anything about eggs from Mexico from what I gathered, the only thing it does is states that Chickens should be treated humanly. The big people who are pushing the No on 2 are the people who sell the eggs. But I haven't read all of what is written on the prop. So if any who has READ THE PROP ITSELF (not the people who are for or against it, but the proposition itself) you can correct me :-[
Quote from: questionette on October 28, 2008, 05:42:13 PM
Random side comment: I have Mormons that live down stairs from me and have a big "Yes on prop 8" sign posted on the sidewalk so cars that drive by see it. I'm really against prop 8 and think it shouldn't even be on the ballot in the first place - we live in a nation that claims freedom and equality for all, so why not gays? Anyways, I don't know whether I should talk to my downstairs neighbor about taking down the sign because not everyone in the building agrees with it, or just put up a couple of signs of my own in the front of the building. I know it doesn't really matter that much, but it bugs me anyways. D:
You can sue them for obsctruction of your right to freedom of speech.
Quote from: Mizuki on November 03, 2008, 10:15:15 PM
Quote from: questionette on October 28, 2008, 05:42:13 PM
Random side comment: I have Mormons that live down stairs from me and have a big "Yes on prop 8" sign posted on the sidewalk so cars that drive by see it. I'm really against prop 8 and think it shouldn't even be on the ballot in the first place - we live in a nation that claims freedom and equality for all, so why not gays? Anyways, I don't know whether I should talk to my downstairs neighbor about taking down the sign because not everyone in the building agrees with it, or just put up a couple of signs of my own in the front of the building. I know it doesn't really matter that much, but it bugs me anyways. D:
You can sue them for obsctruction of your right to freedom of speech.
Wait, they aren't stopping him from putting up a sign of his own, so how can such be applied?