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Poll
Question: Reasons you would go to a Fanime fashion show:
Option 1: Check out hot, local fashion. votes: 4
Option 2: Check out hot, foreign fashion. votes: 10
Option 3: Check out hot models. votes: 5
Option 4: See Stage Zero unfold for the first time ever. votes: 5
Option 5: I'm always at major Fanime events. votes: 6
Option 6: Might be better than a panel I just wandered from. votes: 2
Option 7: Fashion show?  at Fanime?  but why? votes: 4
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on October 20, 2005, 04:15:28 PM
Quote from: "Croquet". . . As for the fashion show, it sounds cool, but I dont know anyone who makes their own costumes up. Maybe the fashion show could make [cosplay chess] a more popular thing to do, but I'm not sure about this....

Really appreciate this.  Some people might be questioning the purpose and the popularity of a resident fashion show at the convention.  Consider this:

·People who cosplay tend to be fans of the artist who conceived the anime character.  Any fictional character that you need to see has to have a wardrobe that expresses their personality.  One purpose of cosplay is to get into that personality.

·People who get into cosplay already have a sense of style that they mean to express, often within similar tastes of a character archetype.  Anyone who makes any judgement about a person by their clothes has some knowledge of fashion.  Those with a higher interest and understanding of communicating with clothing in any culture is interested in fashion, period.

·People who are good at fictional character design (such as but not limited to games, animation, comics) must know what to communicate in their characters' clothing and accessories.  This fashion show can give our community's budding manga/game designers the opportunity to bring their characters to life.

·Fanime con go-ers are interested, to a great extent, in emerging local artists, goth fashion, Japanese street fashion, gamer/Silicon Valley trends, and other 'alternative' lifestyles.  This is where they get to see it.

·Fanime cosplayers love attention.  Whether they bought or created their own costumes, they love to model it.  Individuals aspiring to model can create a professional portfolio from this show.

·Most people who get into fashion are not a part of the creation process, only the consumption.  Those who are creators can reinterpret fashion that they've seen or to create something completely new.  This is a show for those trying out fashion design or are building a professional portfolio as they aspire to  go to design school.

·Fanime Con is by fans.  It's for fans.  In a way, we are grassroots, and we are always into trying an idea at least once.  If it don't work out, we'll give each other feedback on what didn't work.  This is an event that will attract people to Fanime Con, foster local creative individuals, and show that Fanime fans are more than consumers but producers.

Thanks, I hope y'all got something out of this.  What would make this show a success is your support and your constructive input.  It will be considered, but alas: big audience, small body of performers.  The actual clothing designs are up to the designers.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Nina Star 9 on October 20, 2005, 04:54:44 PM
so wait... i am not entirely clear on this concept. what will it be like exactly? who can enter? what can you enter? this seems more like a part of another thread that i am missing. ^^;;
Title: Info is good; clarity is better
Post by: Captaine Kit on October 20, 2005, 05:14:23 PM
Ummm the topic came up in the 'Cosplay Event Ideas' sticky in the cosplay forum, but more importantly, the fashion show should get dedicated feedback on this page.

What will it be?
The fashion show consists of a collective of designers formed by members of the Fanime Con community.

Who can enter?
Anyone who shows an interest and dedication to creating a line of clothing to show at Fanime Con can participate.  So far there are four designers.  We can take more, and that means each designer doesn't have to do as many concepts.

What can you enter?
This is open to any style and any dedicated individual or group.  
If you are into recreating other styles (Harajuku street style, haute couture, etc.), this is your venue.
If you are into creating your own, unique line of clothing, this is your venue.
If you are a character designer, you might want to bring your characters' wardrobes to life and give your piece of fiction some attention.

What is asked of the designers?
Dozens of design concepts--sketches, descriptions, who wears it, what it's for, etc.  Cooperation with the other designers.  Scheduled monthly group meeting to submit designs and plan the show.  Time and money to construct some of those designs for the actual show.  Willingness to help your peers construct their designs.

Where will they meet?
I'm actually one of the designers in Fanime's fashion collective, and I volunteer to be a resource.  I have the tools necessary for constructing clothes.  The purpsoe of this collective is not only to bring something to Fanime Con; it is to get aspiring fashion designers together to share resources and become professionals.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Nina Star 9 on October 20, 2005, 05:28:18 PM
oh, i get it now. :D

does it have to be for like, serious fashion desingers? or can someone with only a few designs that they make in their spare time enter?
Title: Anyone can enter.
Post by: Captaine Kit on October 20, 2005, 05:33:06 PM
Anyone who has ever wanted to try fashion design can do so in this designers collective.  It is for professionals, students and hobbyists.  No one has to retain membership forever, and there is no initiation ritual.  Just have concept sketches, a few bucks for fabric, and a commitment to come to monthly meetings so that we can help each other.  In the end, we must have a show.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Nina Star 9 on October 20, 2005, 05:35:36 PM
oh.. i woudl not be able to make it to monthly meetings because i live too far away from fanime and i am too young to drive there myself. >.<;;

ah well.
Title: Accessibility Options
Post by: Captaine Kit on October 20, 2005, 06:18:36 PM
I think if you are really into it, then it won't be a requirement to show up to the meetings.  You seem to be on top of the internet access thing.  Those entering must show their progress from design sketches to accepting critique from the collective to actually constructing the clothes.  For those who can make the deadlinesthen it should be no problem participating as a designer.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Nina Star 9 on October 20, 2005, 07:26:24 PM
really? cool!

is there a minimum amout of things to enter? i desgin clothes in my free time, but i only have a few designs... maybe four at the most. >.<;; and i woudl probably not be able to get them all done by fanime, seeing as i cannot use a sewing machine, and i have a rahter complex cosplay to make.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on October 20, 2005, 08:08:58 PM
Well if you need to make sure your cosplay is of high quality, then maybe you should stick to that.  Minimum number of concepts: 20-ish.  Like 6-8 outfits, 6 tops, 4 bottoms, 2 one-piece items, and whatever (all with accessories).  For sure, they won't all get made.  

:!: We actually need models for this show, and I bet our cosplay community is rich with willing candidates. :!:
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Nina Star 9 on October 20, 2005, 09:05:20 PM
models? :D count me in!

but before you count me in, i need to know some details about what a model will have to do. i woudl assume i woudl have to meet up with whatever desgner decides they want me as a model (will post pictures soon), either online or in person, and gve them measurements so they can make the clothes to fit. then just meet up at the con and get instructions? anything else i would have to do?
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Spiritsnare on October 21, 2005, 07:14:25 AM
Here's an idea: Play I'm Too Sexy when the models come out on stage.

Whether or not you take it seriously is up to you :D
Title: omg you killed it
Post by: Captaine Kit on October 25, 2005, 11:33:17 PM
omg you killed it.

Just kidding.  I think the show should be up to the designers and sound people involved (our own DJ Socket, for one).  As each designer's composition is unique, the ambience they would like to compliment it should be their decision.  I'm happy that you're interested.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: pringles on November 03, 2005, 11:39:33 PM
hehe count us in teri we're behind ya 100% =]
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: ced1106 on November 13, 2005, 02:06:48 PM
I'm all for it. It looks like something between the informality of the cosplayers at the fountain, and the (erstwhile?) walk-ons in Der Cosplay. I'm pretty sure someone's gonna complain that "regular" cosplayers can't be part of the show, though. Mebbe have two tiers, one for invites and another for registrants.

EDIT: Oops -- Didn't know of Cosplay Catwalk. Sounds great!!!


Cedric.
aka. Washu! ^O^
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on November 14, 2005, 11:47:11 AM
Ah--err

There's the Fashion Show (this page) and what you described, whose energy would be put into the Cosplay Catwalk.  Fashion Show is a showcase of a new batch of clothing from designers influenced by games, anime and comics.  Some designers in Fanime's collective (open to anyone) are into character design, and they wish to bring that to life in real apparel.  Some are into couture, or even street style that you might witness on corners and steps in Harajuku.

Catwalk is a driveby style show where cosplay participants walk and will be subject to judges.  They look out for craftsmanship, portrayal of the character's mannerisms . . . only that an act will not be involved, just the walk.  

The details haven't been worked out yet because we still need judges for this event.  I requesting the help of Der Cosplay's judges for this event.  You can refer to the Stage Zero poll topic in order to get more details on the Cosplay Catwalk.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Chikiru on November 18, 2005, 08:48:40 PM
Reading all of the posts, I fully support the fashion show.

I have most of my designs, as well as those of the others in my group if this event is to take place. And most of the tools and materials needed are already present for us....

However, I also don't think I would be able to make the monthly meetings due to school and other things going on. Oh! And that being said, I was wondering, is there a certain age we have to be to enter?
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on November 18, 2005, 09:16:40 PM
Quote from: "Chikiru"However, I also don't think I would be able to make the monthly meetings due to school and other things going on. Oh! And that being said, I was wondering, is there a certain age we have to be to enter?

·Meeting ain't necessary.  We do have deadlines, though.  PM me.
·Personally, I think this is a great opportunity for designers of any age to earn the support of the Fanime community.  As for legalities and Fanime policies, I'll have to get back to you on that.  Hold me to it, ok?
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on November 18, 2005, 09:39:48 PM
Proposal I: After-Hours Fashion Show (18+ ONLY!)

Hot fashion gets hotter at the SJCC in the form of a lingerie/swimsuit apparel.

18+ models.  18+ audience.  No honkytonk, just a smaller, event of a smouldering magnitude with the same legit constitution of the main fashion show.

Does not coincide with Fanime's major events.  Could run as early as the hetero/homoerotic an ime starts (what's that, like 11 pm or what?).

The purpose of this show is to
♠ provide late-nite programming that's performance oriented, on Stage Zero to boot
♠ provide programming that is adult oriented, tasteful and not pornographic in nature
♠ encourage the connection of cultures and enrich the hub of cultural growth that is FanimeCon
♥ give the designers and models an opportunity to diversify their portfolio
♠ keep the insomniacs at the convention center, for better or for worse (jk!)

I'm not saying it's gonna happen but I'd like to provide a dividing line between what is 'generic' fashion and 'adult' fashion.  FYI the collective isn't going to meet, have models, or produce any clothing till December (after finals).  I haven't even brought it to Jasonface, but feedback in the forums would definitely help me outline it.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Spiritsnare on November 18, 2005, 10:29:57 PM
I know this narrows it down a bit, but here's another proposal. Oh, and this one's a bit more serious than song selection.

Theme idea: Cosplay Outfits You Can Get Away With Wearing In Public. I'm not just talking about in the style of anime set in 'modern' times (e.g. Azumanga Daioh, Genshiken, Comic Party), but also the guilty pleasures that come from wearing a subtly eccentric costume that looks rather hip. >3

How about that?
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on November 18, 2005, 10:48:08 PM
Yes, that will definitely bring a new kind of flair to our growing convention.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Default on November 19, 2005, 10:26:08 PM
how many models are needed i think i got one for you, apparently a lot of people think he's hot, I don't but if you want a picture PM me or mail me at [email protected]
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Chikiru on November 21, 2005, 05:59:14 PM
Ah... We have another question. ^^ll the people in my group were wondering if this fashion show is for sure going to be held. They're getting really excited. XD
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Long on November 22, 2005, 03:58:16 PM
Damn... I'm torn between being a judge, a designer, or a model. >_>

However, I wouldn't make a very prolific designer, but I might have a few good ideas. Add that to the fact, I'm not much of a seamstress person. -.-;

Maybe me and Nina Star could work together to make a designer group, and perhaps gather some recruits at the local Anime Club to do the dirty work. xO
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Chikiru on November 22, 2005, 04:32:16 PM
Quote from: "Long"Damn... I'm torn between being a judge, a designer, or a model.

Is it possible to be both a designer and a model?? o.o
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Nina Star 9 on November 22, 2005, 04:34:00 PM
Quote from: "Long"
Maybe me and Nina Star could work together to make a designer group, and perhaps gather some recruits at the local Anime Club to do the dirty work. xO
dirty work... XD we should start a cosplay club at school and make them do the dirty work. XD

but seriously, i really probably cannot be a desinger. not enough time to make allt he designs AND my complex cosplay. ;-;

unless you helped, long...
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Long on November 22, 2005, 05:05:59 PM
Quote from: "Nina Star 9"
Quote from: "Long"
Maybe me and Nina Star could work together to make a designer group, and perhaps gather some recruits at the local Anime Club to do the dirty work. xO
dirty work... XD we should start a cosplay club at school and make them do the dirty work. XD

but seriously, i really probably cannot be a desinger. not enough time to make allt he designs AND my complex cosplay. ;-;

unless you helped, long...
If it's what it takes to get you to design with me... Then sure. xP xD

Much of the work will be sketching. Each of us will turn in 8 Sketches by Christmas Break then narrow it down to the keepers. We'll see if anyone else has any designing skills from anime club. Then we force the wierd otaku-people from the anime club leftover to do gruntwork (ie. Cutting fabric and other menial labor). The more outfits we produce the better. Fabric purchasing won't be a problem, we'll just hold up the local Beverly's, and steal their old-lady craft making devices. ;D

When do you want me to help you with your outfit, I'm usually free after most schooldays. =]
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Nina Star 9 on November 22, 2005, 05:22:30 PM
i get all the joann's ads and hancock's ads and watch for the good sales, so that will not be too bad if the fabric is on sale. :D (also, i already have most of the fabric for two of my desings, one already made, and some fabric i could use for another one...)

i already have like, four full outfit sketches, and three acessory sketches... so that will not be a problem. :D

yay! this may actually be possible for me! :D
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Long on November 22, 2005, 05:47:56 PM
Quote from: "Nina Star 9"i get all the joann's ads and hancock's ads and watch for the good sales, so that will not be too bad if the fabric is on sale. :D (also, i already have most of the fabric for two of my desings, one already made, and some fabric i could use for another one...)

i already have like, four full outfit sketches, and three acessory sketches... so that will not be a problem. :D

yay! this may actually be possible for me! :D
Yay! Go Group... Uh... We should come up with a name for our group. >_>
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Default on November 22, 2005, 09:44:23 PM
well count me in as a model, i just need to work on my walking
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on November 22, 2005, 11:52:51 PM
Here's your update, folks!

Designers:
Quote from: "Captaine Kit"Well if you need to make sure your cosplay is of high quality, then maybe you should stick to that.  Minimum number of concepts: 20-ish.  Like 6-8 outfits, 6 tops, 4 bottoms, 2 one-piece items, and whatever (all with accessories).  For sure, they won't all get made.  

:!: We actually need models for this show, and I bet our cosplay community is rich with willing candidates. :!:
I think in the first meeting, I'll ask for 40 concept sketches, clean and legible, and we'll decide on 20 of them which bring out the best of you.
♠Designers can PM or email me with a a short description of the nuances, the philosophy, the feeling--things decribing the target 'consumer' or activity that this line is for.  Is it of this world or of a fictional one?
♠If you want to design for either the 'real' fashion show, or the proposed 'adult' show, or both, show me those designs!
♠If you cannot meet in December, send me all your concepts via e-mail so that we can get you your show!

Models:
Quote from: "Captaine Kit to Model Management"Hey, Veronica.  It's Monday, and I finally have a moment to breathe.  I have my first year Industrial Design Review coming up.  I'm so excited!  Here's my proposal for the model try-outs and the designers meeting:

For the weekend of 17th & 18th December I would like to have the try-outs at my house since weekends are best for you.  Should your contact information be in the FanimeCon bb, or maybe I'll inform the models who are interested, in a private message, that they should email you?  

I'm also having a barbecue on that Saturday evening, so maybe we could integrate the try-outs with that?  It'd be a great social gathering.

More try-outs from the 19th thru 22nd if people can't make weekends--do you think evenings or afternoons would be better for people?  Decisions will be made before the weekend.  I'm open to all that because that would be the week after my finals, and the semester will be officially over.

Models who absolutely cannot make tryouts [edit]attend tryouts in San Jose must send you their headshots and a description of their figure.  I'm confident that those who have their heart set on becoming a model will overcome embarrassment issues about the body--models must be confident and committed!  They must also send a description of their modeling/cosplay experience and whether they intend to be a part of the Catwalk too, to resolve scheduling differences and see if they want help on cosplay before the Catwalk event.  This will be the general format of our interviews.

I think one day out of the weekend of 23rd-25th should be for the designers to meet the models and set the groundwork for the fashion show.  We'll plan the direction of our designs, what type of models we want to wear our designs, and the schedule for each month up to FanimeCon.

I love the amount of feedback that's being generated here.  The show will be a success!
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Long on November 23, 2005, 09:06:25 AM
A question to Captaine Kit:

Will you be providing information as to the location of your house for the meeting? Also, it would be a terrible life-saver if the meeting would be sometime near a staffing meeting, that way we could hit two-in-one. It's annoying living all the way Sacramento, it would be a real gas-killer to have to make two trips to San Jose in one month. >_>

Also, there should be some deciding on Background tracks to play while models are "walking". Sometimes it's good to synchronize walking with the track, especially if said track has different rhythms.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Nina Star 9 on November 23, 2005, 09:17:17 AM
okay, i have decided. ^-^ since i have little time for desgining, and i think it woudl be a killer on me to be both a desinger in the fashion show, a participant in the cosplay catwalk, and possibly on staff, i have decided that i am intrested in being a model. ^-^ so will compile a portfolio (since i also live in sacramento and it will be nearly impossible for me to get to san jose for the meet...)
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Long on November 23, 2005, 09:30:13 AM
Quote from: "Nina Star 9"okay, i have decided. ^-^ since i have little time for desgining, and i think it woudl be a killer on me to be both a desinger in the fashion show, a participant in the cosplay catwalk, and possibly on staff, i have decided that i am intrested in being a model. ^-^ so will compile a portfolio (since i also live in sacramento and it will be nearly impossible for me to get to san jose for the meet...)
I could take you Faye, as long as its only that month, we'll go to a staffer meeting in January instead of December as well.

Besides, it's fun to keep busy during Fanime. =D

So you're not going to design anymore?
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Nina Star 9 on November 23, 2005, 09:47:10 AM
no, not going to desgin anymore.

and i doubt my mom would let me get into a car with you and drive to san jose, okay? XD
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Long on November 23, 2005, 09:54:07 AM
Quote from: "Nina Star 9"no, not going to desgin anymore.

and i doubt my mom would let me get into a car with you and drive to san jose, okay? XD
Pah, you need to get to San Jose in the first place to tryout for modelling.

You don't have to go to San Jose to be a Designer. Please please please please!!!! The group won't be "Charred-Alice" without Alice! All you have to do is draw concept sketches. I'd work out the technical stuff, and we already have the slaves. XD
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Default on November 23, 2005, 12:25:32 PM
do i have to go to san jose to try out as a model, i believe captain kit knows who i am
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on November 23, 2005, 07:04:13 PM
Quote from: "Chikiru"Is it possible to be both a designer and a model?? o.o
Although it's not considered professional in some circles, for this show it's possible to be a designer and model.  We can work something where you don't have to walk as a model toward the end of the show (when the designers show themselves!).

Quote from: "et al"dirty work
I discourage getting club members to do the clothing construction, although the help would be nice.  I'd like to avoid making them responsible for mistakes or time constraints, and I discourage y'all from getting into a possible cheat-mode by claiming other's designs for yourself.

Designers have the option of attending meetings so that they can all get and use resources on clothing construction.  There is no limit to the number of people who come to work at my house.  We have access to machines, and we plan to make the knowledge available to costumers and 'unschooled' designers in the Bay Areal.  We just have to agree on a good time to sit down and help each other.

Quote from: "Long"Will you be providing information as to the location of your house for the meeting? Also, it would be a terrible life-saver if the meeting would be sometime near a staffing meeting, that way we could hit two-in-one. It's annoying living all the way Sacramento, it would be a real gas-killer to have to make two trips to San Jose in one month. >_>

Also, there should be some deciding on Background tracks to play while models are "walking". Sometimes it's good to synchronize walking with the track, especially if said track has different rhythms.
If you're interested in coming to my place, PM me for the info.  I live in San Jose--of course we can meet immediately after the Fanime staff meeting. As the fashion collective, we should make it easy and keep people involved.  (See the edit in my previous post here.)  By the way, when is the next staff meeting?  I shouldn't have to ask, I know.

Yeah, the ambiance, the stage choreography, the music, the lights--none of that will be assigned to the designers.  The "walk" and other aspects of modeling will come from Veronica, and the models have from now till the tryouts to show work what they have so far.  Still, you have all the time until May to learn our walk!  All that stuff will follow when people tell me what their clothing line is all about, and that's when we decide to give it attitude and character!
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Chikiru on November 23, 2005, 08:28:32 PM
Quote from: "Captaine Kit"Here's your update, folks!

Designers:

I think in the first meeting, I'll ask for 40 concept sketches, clean and legible, and we'll decide on 20 of them which bring out the best of you.
♠Designers can PM or email me with a a short description of the nuances, the philosophy, the feeling--things decribing the target 'consumer' or activity that this line is for.  Is it of this world or of a fictional one?
♠If you want to design for either the 'real' fashion show, or the proposed 'adult' show, or both, show me those designs!
♠If you cannot meet in December, send me all your concepts via e-mail so that we can get you your show!

Models:
Quote from: "Captaine Kit to Model Management"Hey, Veronica.  It's Monday, and I finally have a moment to breathe.  I have my first year Industrial Design Review coming up.  I'm so excited!  Here's my proposal for the model try-outs and the designers meeting:

For the weekend of 17th & 18th December I would like to have the try-outs at my house since weekends are best for you.  Should your contact information be in the FanimeCon bb, or maybe I'll inform the models who are interested, in a private message, that they should email you?  

I'm also having a barbecue on that Saturday evening, so maybe we could integrate the try-outs with that?  It'd be a great social gathering.

More try-outs from the 19th thru 22nd if people can't make weekends--do you think evenings or afternoons would be better for people?  Decisions will be made before the weekend.  I'm open to all that because that would be the week after my finals, and the semester will be officially over.

Models who absolutely cannot make tryouts [edit]attend tryouts in San Jose must send you their headshots and a description of their figure.  I'm confident that those who have their heart set on becoming a model will overcome embarrassment issues about the body--models must be confident and committed!  They must also send a description of their modeling/cosplay experience and whether they intend to be a part of the Catwalk too, to resolve scheduling differences and see if they want help on cosplay before the Catwalk event.  This will be the general format of our interviews.

I think one day out of the weekend of 23rd-25th should be for the designers to meet the models and set the groundwork for the fashion show.  We'll plan the direction of our designs, what type of models we want to wear our designs, and the schedule for each month up to FanimeCon.


Okay... I have some more questions (I like clarification. =3):

1. For models... How fast would the selection process be?
        I'm only worried that I won't get the measurements quick enough to actually make the outfits. ><

2. ....Never mind, I forgot. >.>

But besides those, I think I'm pretty much questioned-out. at least, for now. ^^;; I like the idea of the designers being able to show themselves afterwards. =333

Soo... I guess I'm just waiting for any announcement about the specific date and location of the first meeting meeting for designers. Thank you thank you thank you. XD
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Long on November 24, 2005, 11:23:51 AM
So 8 different outfit designs each may constitute 20 different pieces, add that to two people, which makes 40 different pieces altogether? Is that how it works? Can we send you the designs and such through email for confirmation? I may also try the modeling thing, I dunno. >_> I may or may not be able to make it to San Jose. It depends on the disposition of my parents and if they're willing to let me take the car 200 miles away or not. I don't get my jeep until January. ;-;

And we weren't heading towards the path of stealing designs. What was meant was that we could get potential designers to join our designing group and come to the con from the club. Stealing work is dirty, and not something we would ever stoop to. We're attempting to recruit people from the anime club to attend the con anyhow.

Also the next Staff meeting will be December 11, and the one after that is January 21.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on November 24, 2005, 01:23:05 PM
Like whoaz.  You board people like ta quote the big stuff!

To clarify:
No one will meet Christmas weekend--a bad on my part.  I'm so bogged down with Industrial Design review.

Everyone who's interested in modeling or designing, give me your name and your email address (in a pm) NOW so you can receive your submission kit within 24 hours. All model and design submissions are due 1 January 2006. All criteria are outlined in this kit.

Models must either show up at try-outs or e-mail Veronica Porras.  The selection of models begins after New Year's.  If you are selected, you must sign a model release.

Designers: I need only one representative from your group to contact me.  When I have seen and reviewed all your designs, then you will be given a designer release to sign in 2006.

This forum topic is now open for ideas for the format of the 'performance' and ideas about fashion in general.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Chikiru on November 28, 2005, 04:14:49 PM
Yay! =33

Sorry, I needed to get that out. Anywho...

I was wondering, as a designer, would I be allowed to attend the model tryouts? Not as model applicants, but just to look at people. I might be bringing several others who would like to tryout, in case that isn't a good enough reason. ^^;;;

Format of the show? Would ideas on how the outfits would be walked out fall under that catagory? The two possible ways, that I know of anyways, to approaching that one is either to have the outfits per designer(s) together or to seperate them into different catagories, although I think the latter one might be a little chaotic due to people trying to keep their own outfits in order.

This is coming along great... XDDD Oh! And I've never really said hi to anyone... Soo..... Hey~. ^^

Edit: For Captain Kit

Reposting the email here just in case. =333 *worries too much*

Hey! Thanks for the email. I'm happy to know the progress of everything; neurotic like that... Anyways...

Um... I noticed that my email was listed under "Charred-Alice". Is that a group where all still-in-school designers are placed in? Or is that just one group of designers?

If it's the first one, then you don't have to read the rest of this. XD

If it's the latter, I'm sorry if I was vague in the information I put down before... ^^;;; But I'm from a different school, and my friends and I actually formed another designer group, not the one with Charles/Long. So I was wondering if you could list/change our group to "Hibiscus"??  Sorry! >< Thanks!

Sorry for the confusion; should've clarified myself when I first posted. >.>;;; Thanks again!!!!!!!

-Theresa/Chikiru(Fanime BB)
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Long on November 28, 2005, 05:56:24 PM
Quote from: "Chikiru"Yay! =33

Sorry, I needed to get that out. Anywho...

I was wondering, as a designer, would I be allowed to attend the model tryouts? Not as model applicants, but just to look at people. I might be bringing several others who would like to tryout, in case that isn't a good enough reason. ^^;;;

Format of the show? Would ideas on how the outfits would be walked out fall under that catagory? The two possible ways, that I know of anyways, to approaching that one is either to have the outfits per designer(s) together or to seperate them into different catagories, although I think the latter one might be a little chaotic due to people trying to keep their own outfits in order.

This is coming along great... XDDD Oh! And I've never really said hi to anyone... Soo..... Hey~. ^^

Edit: For Captain Kit

Reposting the email here just in case. =333 *worries too much*

Hey! Thanks for the email. I'm happy to know the progress of everything; neurotic like that... Anyways...

Um... I noticed that my email was listed under "Charred-Alice". Is that a group where all still-in-school designers are placed in? Or is that just one group of designers?

If it's the first one, then you don't have to read the rest of this. XD

If it's the latter, I'm sorry if I was vague in the information I put down before... ^^;;; But I'm from a different school, and my friends and I actually formed another designer group, not the one with Charles/Long. So I was wondering if you could list/change our group to "Hibiscus"??  Sorry! >< Thanks!

Sorry for the confusion; should've clarified myself when I first posted. >.>;;; Thanks again!!!!!!!

-Theresa/Chikiru(Fanime BB)
Yeah, there must have been a mix-up. Charred-Alice is the name of our (I and my homies' xD) group. I wasn't quite clear on how we're supposed to work with the models. Is a profile of each model to be sent with measurements and such and we have to work from that or what?

Hmm.. Our group is shaping up kind of badly. Faye doesn't want to do it, and some of the others, I'm having trouble convincing to go. Not to mention SAT's and a bumload of tests and reports are around the corner. I'm probably going to have to do the majority of my designs during Christmas Break, but it's going to feel terribly like procrastination. >_>

And whoa, Chiriku, how'd you know my name was Charles? At least, my middle name or such. I don't think I mentioned it. ._.;;
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Chikiru on November 28, 2005, 06:01:35 PM
I know how you feel ^. >< I'm planning on taking the January SATs along with my finals. So I'm basically doing the exact thing as you to get the 40 concept sketches done. >.> I really don't like rushing on these things, since they usually turn out purty-ugly if done too fast. XP

Edit: To Long

I knew your name was Charles 'cause of an email Captain sent out to a couple (4) of the people who I think sent PMs with the desire to be a designer. Captain mentioned that a guy named Charles was in charge of the Charred-Alice group and since I've been on this thread like a bloodhound, I kinda made a connection. XDDD
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Nina Star 9 on November 28, 2005, 06:21:02 PM
gah! sorry, but my e-mail hates me, so if i do nto reply in a while, it is not because i forgot/i am not intrested/i did not check my mail, it is because it does not show up in my inbox for a day or so. >.< so sorry about that!
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Long on November 28, 2005, 06:50:32 PM
Ugh... It seems so hopeless. I'm sorry to say, that group Charred-Alice won't be attending. The preparation is all too much and what little free time I do have is few and far between. At the con, I will attend definitely, but there won't be any designs coming from me. If perhaps I get some free time and do manage to pull off the correct number of sketches out of pure luck before the deadline, then perhaps I will readminister my group, but as it is now, it's all to hectic. So please remove "Charred-Alice" from the designing Group list. I apologize for all this, and I was really looking forward to it, but I'm afraid, many other things have top priority, and I would feel undedicated if I agreed to this now.

Thanks and sorry yet again. ;-;
Title: Hrm....
Post by: Chikiru on November 29, 2005, 06:22:21 PM
Do we know how long the fashion show will be? Or will it all just depend on how many outfits there are going to be shown? *blinks*
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on November 30, 2005, 03:16:37 AM
@ Chikiru & Hibiscus &al:
Si.  Designers should try to come on the dates when models are interviewed.  It's not necessary, but it would be a good chance to introduce yourself.

I think if we are to decide on a show format, it must be between all of the designers.  The length of the show facing uncertainty here (see last item on this post).  Here are some suggestions for the order off appearance:
★pyjamas, work/school wear, leisure/sport, evening.
★by similar design styles (ie gothloli in one block) with one designer's collection followed by another designer's collection
★be contrasting design styles (ie one block of gothloli followed by one block of thrifty street-chic followed by one block of goth rock)

@ Long & Charred-Alice &al:
Gee, I'm totally getting enough sleep. :b  I knew it'd be hard to get a school group to do this--the true, unmentioned reason I suggested against it.  Can I convince you to stick to the fashion show without a large group?  You are welcome to use my home as a place to construct the clothing, and we have so much to gain from each others' fashion and sewing experiences.

The 40 concepts (due before January 1) isn't really for me, it's to help you with your own design process.  40 concept sketches that are legible to you amounts to:
★about 20 outfits
★about 13 tops
★about 7 bottoms
What I really need from each designer/group is to pick half of those that they like.  Sketch them again, but legible to me and make notes.  Those are due sometime in January, after we make the model cuts.  That is also when we get everyone to sign their model or designer releases so that we can begin our rendering!

@ The Community:
Yeah, it seems that as many ideas as there are floating around for Stage Zero, only two are concrete because all the other ideas keep floating as 'what ifs' without documentation or proper emailing of Jasonface!  Here's for sure:the Catwalk will happen, and the Fashion Show will happen.

As you know, this is the first real kind of fashion experience that any anime convention will ever have.  It is a bridge between the professional modeling, designing and fashion consumer world and the world of fiction as entertainment.  This show is an opportunity to shake it up and get a portfolio started for models and designers.  You can take this to a job interview or a school interview.

On top of that, I have drafted my event outline as such:
★ I have sponsors for my show.  Check this out: modeling agency, design schools and local clothing brands.  Whoopah.  If you gonna worry about it, you have to ask me and Justin and trust that we deliver.  Or just don't worry.
★ The Fashion Show must be as professional looking as possible.  We don't have to buy extra resources for the show.  Simple and clean never looked so fantastic as on a runway.  The show must also have a professional length:  Long enough to show the models walk out maybe two at a time and then they go back in.  Please don't let this be a show of 15-minute segments!  It will make our first show look bad!
★ The time proposed for this fashion show is during MusicFest.  Personally, I hate that!  MusicFest crowd is really into fashion--am I right or am I right?  They should not have to miss one or the other!  What is more reasonable right now is some different scheduling arrangements--what's realistic now is to lay out all the doable options for Jason to critique.  Any email input from you guys is good!
★ The seating reserved for the show is for Fanime attendees and for Special Guests, because that is the least we could do for them.  Our ushers will be wearing clothes you wouldn't normally see at FanimeCon, as an added aesthetic element.  I would like to, when Jason approves, invite even our musical guests to sit at the front, able to face each other at nice tables and enjoy our fashion show.

I reply to these posts in bursts because it's the most efficient use of my time.  If there are anymore questions from designers or models who wish to be a part ofthis show, I will take them by pm or email.  You haven't signed anything yet, but if you're diehard about this event, it wouldn't hurt to show that by getting your questions to me directly--I will surely forward the answers to the other models and designers.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Chikiru on November 30, 2005, 09:25:31 PM
Quote from: "Captaine Kit"@ Chikiru & Hibiscus &al:
Si.  Designers should try to come on the dates when models are interviewed.  It's not necessary, but it would be a good chance to introduce yourself.

Okay thanks. ^^

Quote from: "Captaine Kit"I think if we are to decide on a show format, it must be between all of the designers.  The length of the show facing uncertainty here (see last item on this post).  Here are some suggestions for the order off appearance:
★pyjamas, work/school wear, leisure/sport, evening.
★by similar design styles (ie gothloli in one block) with one designer's collection followed by another designer's collection
★be contrasting design styles (ie one block of gothloli followed by one block of thrifty street-chic followed by one block of goth rock)

I like #2. ^^ It would help extend the fashion show if anything else, and seems to be the one that helps keeps any group/person's own outfits together instead of strewn/worn about. Especially if we're planning on making 20+ outfits/bottoms/tops.

Quote from: "Captaine Kit"

The 40 concepts (due before January 1) isn't really for me, it's to help you with your own design process.  40 concept sketches that are legible to you amounts to:
★about 20 outfits
★about 13 tops
★about 7 bottoms
What I really need from each designer/group is to pick half of those that they like.  Sketch them again, but legible to me and make notes.  Those are due sometime in January, after we make the model cuts.  That is also when we get everyone to sign their model or designer releases so that we can begin our rendering!

Pick half of them on our own or in one of the meetings we're going to have? 'Cause although I'm sure it won't take long, leafing through the designs might be kind of hard due to personal preferences, especially in a group. Meh. ^^;;;

Quote from: "Captaine Kit"
@ The Community:

As you know, this is the first real kind of fashion experience that any anime convention will ever have.  It is a bridge between the professional modeling, designing and fashion consumer world and the world of fiction as entertainment.  This show is an opportunity to shake it up and get a portfolio started for models and designers.  You can take this to a job interview or a school interview.
Whoooooooooooooo~.... *does the one-person wave*

Quote from: "Captaine Kit"
On top of that, I have drafted my event outline as such:
★ I have sponsors for my show.  Check this out: modeling agency, design schools and local clothing brands.  Whoopah.  If you gonna worry about it, you have to ask me and Justin and trust that we deliver.  Or just don't worry.

*repeats above action* XD

Quote from: "Captaine Kit"
★ The time proposed for this fashion show is during MusicFest.  Personally, I hate that!  MusicFest crowd is really into fashion--am I right or am I right?  They should not have to miss one or the other!  What is more reasonable right now is some different scheduling arrangements--what's realistic now is to lay out all the doable options for Jason to critique.  Any email input from you guys is good!

I think I emailed this to you, but just in case speculators of the show were wondering....

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo~! That's horrible.... T_T But... Because the majority of the Fanime schedule is unknown right now, I'm not really sure what other times the fashion show might take place, suggestion-wise. Anytime away from Musicfest is fine for me, personally. =33 What other times would we be able to schedule the show at? Sometime when a major event at Fanime wouldn't be going on, right? *blinks*

Quote from: "Captaine Kit"
★ The seating reserved for the show is for Fanime attendees and for Special Guests, because that is the least we could do for them.  Our ushers will be wearing clothes you wouldn't normally see at FanimeCon, as an added aesthetic element.  I would like to, when Jason approves, invite even our musical guests to sit at the front, able to face each other at nice tables and enjoy our fashion show.

Yay!!! XD That's all I have to say on the matter.

Quote from: "Captaine Kit"
I reply to these posts in bursts because it's the most efficient use of my time.  If there are anymore questions from designers or models who wish to be a part ofthis show, I will take them by pm or email.  You haven't signed anything yet, but if you're diehard about this event, it wouldn't hurt to show that by getting your questions to me directly--I will surely forward the answers to the other models and designers.

You're post was lovely. ^^ I liked the stars... Anywho, I'll just add the email address from the last email to send you questions, I suppose. =33

Okay... 'Til next time! Woo.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Long on December 01, 2005, 07:19:08 AM
I must admit, all the information seems awfully appealing, but I don't think I will formally enter Charred-Alice into the fray, unless it is certain that we will have all 40 concept sketches by the deadline.

I myself may enter as a model if the designing portion doesn't work out, however, I have had not previous experience, so I'm not sure if that would be a large setback.

How many Designer Groups have entered so far?
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Nina Star 9 on December 01, 2005, 07:26:38 AM
two things-

would putting stage experience as experience count? i have little modeling expierence, but plenty of stage expeirence...

how do we edit the application form to put in our information? ~ - ~
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Chikiru on December 01, 2005, 04:42:35 PM
We can have more than 40 concepts, right? o.o

And...

I don't believe you need any previous modeling experience to walk, do you? 'Cause some of our models who are going to try out don't have any either, although they're willing to learn. ^^
Title: Suggestion?
Post by: taffyuko on December 01, 2005, 08:53:08 PM
Okay, I'm affiliated with Chikiru AKA another designer working along with HIBISCUS.  I have watched many fashion shows lately and my mom herself has worked backstage with models, putting on their clothes in less than 2 minutes and what-not...so what I want to say is...

I personally think that it would be better that each designer circle go at a time; instead of separating into different types of wear (evening wear/gothic-lolli/day-wear/etc.).  So for example, Charred Alice, a designing group may go first.  Because they have numerous designers (I'm just hypothetically speaking), one designer's sets will all go at one time and then she will come out after all the models have shown the clothes, bow to the audience, whatever, walk back to the backstagewith the models.  Then the next designer under the same circle and the process repeats until all the designers in Charred Alice have finished.  Then the show will move on to the next group.

Of course, it might take up a lot of time depending on how many attire sets each designer has.  So another alternative is that the the different circles will go at a time but the order of the attire sets will not matter.  Instead, in the end, all designers will walk onto the catwalk with the line of models with their clothes at the front, bow to audience, the works, etc.

The reason why I felt that this way would be better is that it'd be easier for the sponsors and the fashion institute agents see who designed what.  If we bunched everything together, it'd be difficult.  

I know this is really confusing...but I swear it made more sense when I was talking to my fellow friends/co-workers.  ^^;

Private message me or email me if you want a more specific explanation.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on December 03, 2005, 03:35:35 PM
I totally understand.

Models
·Models for the show don't need previous professional experience.  Stage, public speaking or public exhibition is a plus.  All we really require is professional attitude consisted of confidence and commitment.
·Those seeking to develop a professional model portfolio and/or subscribe to a modeling agency will be given the opportunity to do so.

Designers:
·I'd like to have the show run professionally.  Even though I suggested a few formats for the order of the show, I would like to have the similar styles together.
·You can do more than 40 concepts.  You can make more or less than 20 of those concepts to put in the fashion show.  [edit]Ideally, all the desighers should get together in January to help you choose which designs you really want to make.  We need to do this in tandem with the model selection timeline.
·There are currently three designers (Kyle, Fonz, me) and one group (Hibiscus) who will have models wearing their clooothes at FanimeCon 2006.  Personally I think this is a good number to go with, considering how much clooothes will be made.

Questions for Hibiscus and other groups, because I was thrown off by this:
Quote from: "taffyuko"Because they have numerous designers (I'm just hypothetically speaking), one designer's sets will all go at one time and then she will come out after all the models have shown the clothes, bow to the audience, whatever, walk back to the backstagewith the models. Then the next designer under the same circle and the process repeats until all the designers in Charred Alice have finished. Then the show will move on to the next group.
Are you submitting your designs under the group name Hibiscus?
If the answer is yes, then we're on the same page.

If the answer is no, then are you submitting as individual designers with a set of clothing each?
Then how many designs does that total for the whole group?
Wouldn't that be inconvenient to get the audience to know each designer of a group?  I feel that a group should enter their whole line of clothing as a composition and all the individuals of that group be named only in the printed program.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Chikiru on December 03, 2005, 07:05:08 PM
Quote from: "Captaine Kit"I totally understand.

Questions for Hibiscus and other groups, because I was thrown off by this:
Quote from: "taffyuko"Because they have numerous designers (I'm just hypothetically speaking), one designer's sets will all go at one time and then she will come out after all the models have shown the clothes, bow to the audience, whatever, walk back to the backstagewith the models. Then the next designer under the same circle and the process repeats until all the designers in Charred Alice have finished. Then the show will move on to the next group.
Are you submitting your designs under the group name Hibiscus?
If the answer is yes, then we're on the same page.

If the answer is no, then are you submitting as individual designers with a set of clothing each?
Then how many designs does that total for the whole group?
Wouldn't that be inconvenient to get the audience to know each designer of a group?  I feel that a group should enter their whole line of clothing as a composition and all the individuals of that group be named only in the printed program.

I think I understand what she's trying to get at (at least, how she explained it to us). Because of the probability that design school representatives and local fashion brand reps are coming to the show, being in a group is kinda hard on them because they wouldn't know which outfits belonged to which designer in the group without talking to them. Our group consists of individual designers just putting our concepts together to make up a group application.

But then again, I also see where you're getting at. It would be kind of long for each designer to be known. But then again, I suppose we could just split up the group and apply as individual designers. Each designer could get their own spotlight moment, if they so wished, that way, ne?

I guess I'll talk to the rest of my group about that. It's easier to get many designs in a group, but in running the show and picking outfits, it seems much easier by simply entering as individuals.

Edit:

Okay, we've agreed to sign up as individuals. Soo... If you would please get rid of the group Hibiscus from the list, that'd be great. ^^

Um... I suppose I'll just post my information down now. Could you put 'Chikiru/Theresa Quach' down as an individual designer? Thanks! ^^

And I suppose the rest of them will go ahead and sign up as individuals eventually. Thanks again!! ^^
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on December 09, 2005, 07:59:16 PM
Yo.

Email me questions on what designers or models need to know, and my answers will return in the form of an email to all the designers or models.  It's in my bb profile.

This forum topic is now open for the Public to discuss general news pertaining to the fashion show.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Yukimi on December 09, 2005, 11:43:50 PM
hello.  i was part of the former Hibiscus and would like to apply as an individual designer under the name Yue Lai Huang (nick: yukimi).  however, seeing as i am very busy with schoolwork this year, i cannot promise that i will stay.  on a brighter happier more positive note of love, I am attempting to finish my 40 sketches in the duration of Christmas vacation.  if i do manage to accomplish this, I will definitely be staying in the fashion show as a designer.   i think that is all for the time being.  the percentage of me participating as a designer is at about 88% right now.  the remaining 12% depends on various scenarios that might or might not happen.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Chikiru on December 09, 2005, 11:48:06 PM
Quote from: "Captaine Kit"Yo.

Email me questions on what designers or models need to know, and my answers will return in the form of an email to all the designers or models.  It's in my bb profile.

This forum topic is now open for the Public to discuss general news pertaining to the fashion show.

Okay. Thank you!!! ^^
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: MeliCat on December 11, 2005, 01:51:52 PM
I was a model and beauty pagent wiz for years until I started college, I'd love to model! I also have experience helping things run smoothly backstage (making sure outfits are changed quicky, make-up is touched up, hair is in place). I would be happy to walk the runway as many times as needed and then jump into assisting the other models and designers backstage. I'm also very familliar with runway walking and posing. If anyone is interested in a little pre-show tutorial just to get some practice in before the event, I'm happy to give the models some tips if they are interested.

This is all right up my alley and I'd love to help but I live so far away (Sacramento)! It seems if I keep in touch here on the board, it'll be okay to skip meetings. I'm bringing this all up at my holiday dinner tonight with my friends, I may have a male model (6'2", very cute!) and a design team going. This is all so exciting!

I think it would also be worth it to inlist some professional (or at least really good casual) photographers to capture the moments on stage. Runway shots of designs are golden to a designer's portfolio and are also great momentos for the models. I could rattle off many more ideas, but my post is already so long! I'll leave it at this: THIS IS A GREAT IDEA!
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Nina Star 9 on December 11, 2005, 07:18:41 PM
since there seems to be a few people intrested in it here in sactown, maybe have a smaller meeting of just us sacramentans? :D
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Chikiru on December 11, 2005, 09:15:32 PM
Quote from: "MeliCat"I was a model and beauty pagent wiz for years until I started college, I'd love to model! I also have experience helping things run smoothly backstage (making sure outfits are changed quicky, make-up is touched up, hair is in place). I would be happy to walk the runway as many times as needed and then jump into assisting the other models and designers backstage. I'm also very familliar with runway walking and posing. If anyone is interested in a little pre-show tutorial just to get some practice in before the event, I'm happy to give the models some tips if they are interested.

This is all right up my alley and I'd love to help but I live so far away (Sacramento)! It seems if I keep in touch here on the board, it'll be okay to skip meetings. I'm bringing this all up at my holiday dinner tonight with my friends, I may have a male model (6'2", very cute!) and a design team going. This is all so exciting!

I think it would also be worth it to inlist some professional (or at least really good casual) photographers to capture the moments on stage. Runway shots of designs are golden to a designer's portfolio and are also great momentos for the models. I could rattle off many more ideas, but my post is already so long! I'll leave it at this: THIS IS A GREAT IDEA!

That's great! I have a few of my friends wanting to model, but they... er, don't know how... ^^;;

And photographers would be awesome. XDDD I might actually go buy a nice camera of my own and enlist (force), the help of one of my friends who's not going to be in the show to take pictures too. Eheh... ^^
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on December 16, 2005, 01:09:50 PM
@MeliCat:
Yes.  I know some serious casual photographers, and I want you to be my help backstage.  Please get me more models.  Right now Veronica is only targeting her sisters at a sorority at SJSU. . . .  It'd be nice to give the modeling opportunity to people who really want to model, though.

@models and designers:
BBQ my place.  6pm-x on the 17th (tomorrow).  Email for more information.  

@All:
future 'poll' question: Do you think that FanimeCon's cosplayer demografics consist only of individuals seeking the 'safe' attention of people like them (people into anime)?  Is Fanime the place to give modeling opportunities to cosplayers and non-cosplayers?
My email button on Fanime bb is now 'on'.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: MeliCat on December 26, 2005, 04:49:10 PM
Quote from: "Captaine Kit"@MeliCat:
Yes.  I know some serious casual photographers, and I want you to be my help backstage.  Please get me more models.  Right now Veronica is only targeting her sisters at a sorority at SJSU. . . .  It'd be nice to give the modeling opportunity to people who really want to model, though.

Okay, you've got me backstage and I'll fish out some more models. I know you said the end of December was the deadline, but it would be easier for me to see how many/what sort of models we need based on how many concept designs you choose from the designers. Once you know for sure how many designers and peices we need "bodies" for, I'll work on it. I'll get some photos together and post them so we can see what we're dealing with and also to let the designers know what measurements they'll be working with. Maybe say Feb. 1st is the deadline for models to submit their info? You can reach me at on AIM (MeliNeko) if you want to discuss this is detail, that goes for anyone who wants to discuss modeling in the show! : D
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Chikiru on January 02, 2006, 10:42:17 PM
'ts been a while since I posted. Yeah, I agree with Melicat. I have some friends who want to model, but the different concepts coming in might affect who wants to model still. =/

And in regards to the music playing in the background... I know there's going to be a DJ there, but I was wondering about the genre of the music. Would it change for each designer as their designs come out? Or would it be the same all the way through?

And to answer your poll question, Kit: I don't really have an answer to the first one, but I think that Fanime's a good place to find modeling opportunities. In my POV, cosplaying seems to be more or less a fashion show and the cosplayers the models. I mean, it'd be great if someone were able to get a career in modeling simply by doing what they enjoy (cosplaying). So yeah. There's my two cents for now. ^^
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on January 10, 2006, 09:33:59 PM
Quote from: "MeliCat"Maybe say Feb. 1st is the deadline for models to submit their info? You can reach me at on AIM (MeliNeko) if you want to discuss this is detail, that goes for anyone who wants to discuss modeling in the show! : D
Yes, deadline good.  Let's get an email correspondence going since with email I'm more up-to-date with everyone involved in the fashion show.  No, sorry to say, I don't use live chat servers at this time.

Quote from: "Chikiru"I know there's going to be a DJ there, but I was wondering about the genre of the music. Would it change for each designer as their designs come out? Or would it be the same all the way through?
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I think that Fanime's a good place to find modeling opportunities. In my POV, cosplaying seems to be more or less a fashion show and the cosplayers the models. I mean, it'd be great if someone were able to get a career in modeling simply by doing what they enjoy (cosplaying).
Yes, opportunities good.  Although the opportunities for a certain goal can be given, it's the individual's responsibility to keep up with the goal.  I believe that bringing a certain model and photographer ethic to FanimeCon can affect the cosplay community tremendously . . . positively.  Both the cosplayers and the amateur photographers may begin to consider being more professional when taking photos, even if the snapshots are not for professional use.  The pose, lighting, background, and interaction between people will get better and better as we learn from each other.  It's the attitude of always wanting to improve that makes someone a pro.

I also believe that cosplay photos posted on the internet will turn out to be much, much better.  Be picky with your lighting and backgrounds, people!
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: MeliCat on January 13, 2006, 12:59:34 PM
Okay, you have my e-mail, mail me and we'll get this model thing going. How many submissions did you get for designers?
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on January 15, 2006, 12:49:08 AM
So far one group and three individuals (myself excluded) have given word of their commitment and have shown me their concept drawings.  From these each designer or group will solidify their aesthetic, their direction.  In about one month we'll be able to see the love of this labor and work more closely with our contribution to Fanime Live Programming and our presence at the convention in general.  

Two of the designers actually have never made clothing before, so I would really like the aid of other designers and cosplayers out there to add to the pool of knowledge and sewing machines--start up this Bay Area Cosplay Resource thang already.  :roll:
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: MeliCat on January 15, 2006, 01:31:16 PM
I can teach models all they need to know, but I'm learning to sew myself! XD
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: grove on January 15, 2006, 09:17:03 PM
Quote from: "Captaine Kit"So far one group and three individuals (myself excluded) have given word of their commitment and have shown me their concept drawings.  From these each designer or group will solidify their aesthetic, their direction.  In about one month we'll be able to see the love of this labor and work more closely with our contribution to Fanime Live Programming and our presence at the convention in general.  

Two of the designers actually have never made clothing before, so I would really like the aid of other designers and cosplayers out there to add to the pool of knowledge and sewing machines--start up this Bay Area Cosplay Resource thang already.  :roll:

I'f it's not too late, I can sew.

And if you need another person, I can model if you're still looking for one.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: DayDreamerNessa on January 15, 2006, 10:59:50 PM
Quote from: "Captaine Kit"

·There are currently three designers (Kyle, Fonz, me) and one group (Hibiscus) who will have models wearing their clooothes at FanimeCon 2006.  Personally I think this is a good number to go with, considering how much clooothes will be made.

Can you please make a solid statement, if you are taking designers, or not? My bf seems interested in being a designer.

I was considering being a model, but I'd only be interested in modeling my bf's clothing, because he knows my sizes, and if he needs to fit his designs on me, I can easily go and see him, so he can adjust etc.

I'd love to hear a more solid time and date for the fashion show, and where it's being held, I searched through the thread and I don't believe I saw the place the fashion show would be held.

As for a suggestion if I'm in the show or not, I think it would definately be a horrid idea to make seperate categories, just have each designer showcase there work, one at a time.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Chikiru on January 21, 2006, 01:07:29 PM
Just to answer some questions here, since it's been a while:

Quote from: "grove"

I'f it's not too late, I can sew.

And if you need another person, I can model if you're still looking for one.

I think we're still looking for models, aren't we Kit? But just to let you have some information, send Kit an email and ask for a modeling application. I think she told some of us via email that the due date for the app was February 1st, so you still have some time.  :D

Quote from: "DayDreamerNessa"

Can you please make a solid statement, if you are taking designers, or not? My bf seems interested in being a designer.

I was considering being a model, but I'd only be interested in modeling my bf's clothing, because he knows my sizes, and if he needs to fit his designs on me, I can easily go and see him, so he can adjust etc.

I'd love to hear a more solid time and date for the fashion show, and where it's being held, I searched through the thread and I don't believe I saw the place the fashion show would be held.

As for a suggestion if I'm in the show or not, I think it would definately be a horrid idea to make seperate categories, just have each designer showcase there work, one at a time.

Er... Yeah, sorry about that. Since only regulars came to check ont he thread and everyone signed up, we thought it easier to just send information via email.

I think we're still taking designers. I'm not sure, although I would jut send her an email anyways and ask, and if she says yes, then ask for an application. The due date for the concept drawings are February 15th, I think.

And for models, I'm pretty sure you can choose to be your BF's model. A section on the designers' application is whether or not they have models picked already. ^^ Although there's an issue of being 18 and over for modeling right now.

And as for the date and time:

Event Schedule
1.   Date: early to late evening Friday or Saturday.
2.   Time
   a)   Begins 4 p.m. or 7 p.m. or some time in between
   b)   Does not interfere with major Fanime events (MusicFest, Guest interviews, etc.)
   c)   Length is approx. 1 ½ - 2 hours.

That's what we have so far. As far as I know, we haven't heard a confirmation for anything definite yet.

Oh! And yeah, I think we agreed on having one designer's showcase at a time. So that the agents who are coming won't be confused as to which outfit belongs to which designer.  :lol:
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Nina Star 9 on January 21, 2006, 01:18:57 PM
if it is friday i would not be able to make it... >.<

stupid school.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Chikiru on January 21, 2006, 01:19:50 PM
Quote from: "Nina Star 9"if it is friday i would not be able to make it... >.<

stupid school.

I agree. Xp
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Nina Star 9 on January 21, 2006, 01:36:53 PM
4 or 5 PM saturday sounds good... now hopefully there are no other events at that time, and it can be then. >.<
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Jyunishinsho on January 23, 2006, 07:11:12 AM
I'd like an update.

How many people have signed up as models?

Also...

How many people have signed up as designers?
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on January 23, 2006, 11:19:50 AM
Here is confirmation fo day-of events.  Also, the responsibilities of the designers and models is this:
1) Participate in the stages leading up to the show: construct the clothes/get model training.
2) Participate in FanimeCon Fashion events: tabling and fashion show.
3) Participate in clean-up of displays and recruitment of models and designers to do Fashion Show next year.

Quote from: "Veronica Porras to jason, joy, me"
Hi Jason and Joy,

It was great meeting you last night. Attached is the agenda for your approval. To recap on what was discussed, The final deadline for all departments is 4/30. For the fashion show, All designs, clothes, music are to be completed on this day and copies/pictures of the final product sent to Jason. The tentative show date will be Saturday May 27, 2006.

April 1, 2006 the fashion committee will receive final confirmation if May 27th will be our show date and if our agenda will be approved.

The fashion show will take place at Stage Zero from 4:00-8:00pm each designer will have a 15 min set.
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Please let me know if I left anything out in the recap.

Best Regards,

Veronica Porras
Model Recruiter

Please know that the Fashion Show committee cares deeply about the outcome of new Live Programming.  We are heavily involved and would like any available talents to be volunteered.  There are positions in drafting & construction, makeup, booth design (artist row), tech, ushering, and general go-about-ness (please suggest).

If you are involved, you will receive all information regarding designers, designs, models, and commitments by email.  If you would like to be involved though have not received anything, please contact me by phone or email telling me which positions you are interested in, and then you will receive updates by email.

Quote from: "Chikiru"Just to answer some questions here, since it's been a while: [etc]
I would hope that for now those involved in the fashion show stick to their priorities.  All necessary information will be released on need-to-know, time sensitive terms.  Thanks.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Sunara Ishi on February 02, 2006, 06:48:05 PM
I'll come watch. I think it'll be fun.

I forgot about this. Thank you for reminding me today. XD
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on March 11, 2006, 02:24:31 AM
From some other post:

Quote from: "Captaine Kit"Yo, yo!  Current sections in Fashion Show team:

Designers in leadership, we need y'all to pull thru.  Section needs drafting and sewing assistants on team.

PR has a design team.  Still needs: a) leadership who can maintain the day-of itinerary for fashion show; or b) team to setup & break down Artist Row booth--no heavy lifting; or c) team to feed Fanime's info booths & maintain the scene as ushers.

Photography has Veronica as leadership.

Models has Melicat as leadership.  Needs team to acquire makeup, help run backstage, and assist models.

Tech has David as leadership and some equipment.  Needs team to setup, test, run and break down AV.

Email me to show which section you'd like to participate in, as leadership or as team.  I will not confirm individual requests on bb.  Only emails or telephone calls will be taken seriously.  Thanks to everyone already on the ball for Fashion Show and for Stage Zero!
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Long on March 14, 2006, 05:26:36 PM
Still accepting models? I might make a visit on this Saturday for the Con Staffer meeting.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on March 14, 2006, 05:48:05 PM
Quote from: "Long"Still accepting models? I might make a visit on this Saturday for the Con Staffer meeting.

Hell yeah!  Tell all your friends!  There will be a meeting for models the week after I take holiday.  It will take place 8th April at my house.

I have a substantial number of 'petite' figures now, so I'll need some more diverse applicants.  Any figure, I swear--actually, I have some really sexy day and evening wear for the voluptuous ladies out there, but without applicants I can't put it in the show.

As for casting call, that is slated for 1 or 2 weeks out from showtime, so by then the clothing will be finished.  Casting call will determine which applicants will actually be in portfolio and/or runway event, and only then is when the designers make the clothing fit on the models.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Long on March 15, 2006, 08:59:03 AM
I got a few people in Sactown that may want to model. I might be able to carpool them to San Jose this Saturday because I have a Staff Meeting I have to hit. If it's okay for them to come this Saturday, could you give me the address where you would like them to meet you? Usually whenever I Mapquest a street in San Jose, I end up hopelessly lost due to the inefficiency that is Mapquest, but I'll be willing to risk it this time. xP Also, any paperwork or information that they might need would be quite helpful as well. =]
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on April 16, 2006, 01:23:34 AM
Ah, so unfortunate.  You people really ought to have emailed me.  I believe someone did come from Sac'to, but I'm not sure she was with your party.  You drop me a nice ol' line, ok?  Here are details for models:

Release forms will be sent out this week.
They are due in my hands 22nd April, with body measurements.
Photo shoots for designer portfolios are in May.
I need more men and more young, with all-due-glory and fever, fat ladies.

Oh yeah, and we look forward to presenting some designs during Late Night with Rob Miles.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Shi_Musouka on April 22, 2006, 07:49:40 PM
So who exactly do we need to contact and with what information about being a model? How would the process go exactly?

I contacted a Fashion Show head at today's staff meeting, but I think I forgot most of what she said. I kinda feel like it was a little too late to join in.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on April 22, 2006, 08:42:17 PM
Send it to me, or David, or Veronica.
My email is here.  If you talked to the Fashion Show head, that's me.  If you wrote down your contact info already, David will send you your release form.

It is already a little bit late for people whose contact info I don't have.  If you are interested in being a Vol in the dressing rooms (need men and women), then you must inform me and make sure you say so in Vols signup.  If you are interested in being a Vol in ushering, then you must wear all black and one bright colored accessory, or we will furnish you with one.

Before you do anything, consider this:
Email is the best, best way to get any information to me.  It's very unusual for me to check the forums to answer any questions.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Long on April 22, 2006, 10:20:02 PM
Quote from: "Captaine Kit"Send it to me, or David, or Veronica.
My email is here.  If you talked to the Fashion Show head, that's me.  If you wrote down your contact info already, David will send you your release form.

It is already a little bit late for people whose contact info I don't have.  If you are interested in being a Vol in the dressing rooms (need men and women), then you must inform me and make sure you say so in Vols signup.  If you are interested in being a Vol in ushering, then you must wear all black and one bright colored accessory, or we will furnish you with one.

Before you do anything, consider this:
Email is the best, best way to get any information to me.  It's very unusual for me to check the forums to answer any questions.
If there's ever a need for an extra model, I'll take up post. Or if you need help around, I could see what I can do. What is the time for the Fashion Show so I may schedule around it. It will be very difficult however for me to get to San Jose for any pre-con meetings. =]
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on April 23, 2006, 12:11:46 AM
Old topic:
Model and designer issues on this thread are closed.  If you are interested in modeling, you must email me.  I might ask you to do just the photo shoot, or just the fashion show, or both.  It really depends on the needs of designer, photographer and model.

+ edit: If you wish to model in the actual event, you must be committed to 13th, 20th and 27th May.  You should send your phone number, age and email to David Vuong, [email protected].  He is co-producing the event, and he is the current model contact.  Once we know you're absolutely committed, you will receive a model release form.

New topic:
Seeking usage of interesting furniture and furnishings.  Includes small tables, pillows, rugs, lamps, and hangings.  I would like to use these to decorate the Salon space at Artist Alley.

Those who have something interesting to let me borrow or have, please inform me so.  The themes I want to cover are 60s rock, Victorian proper (Victorian gothic), and Japonisme--ask me for my diagram.  Anything helps.

+ edit: If you wish to volunteer to dress the models or usher, then sign up with Vol-Hole (Volunteer Ops) during the convention.
Thanks.
Title: Deadlines for Designers
Post by: taffyuko on April 24, 2006, 04:56:59 PM
Hey, Rebecca here.  From the meeting on April the 8th, Teri set the deadline for the designers on the 29th (3 weeks).  I'm not sure if the deadline is still the same or if it would be extended for another week.  I see that there are dates where the models need to be free on the 13th, 20th, and of course the 27th.  So the 1st date mentioned should be when all outfits must be finished and ready for the show?

Many of the items that my group and I have been completed and we are really close to being done.  But I just want to be cleared up on the "deadline."  It'd be great if you can email me at [email protected] or just leave a reply on the messageboard.  Thanks.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on April 24, 2006, 07:02:54 PM
Clothing should be finished on the 29th of April.  They do not need to be fitted then, just complete 'enough' so that we can gather and pin.

Models who want to do photos need to be available on the 13th and 20th of May.  We will try to get their measurements during the shoot on the 13th.  On the 20th, we will try to get all the other models' measurements.  27th May is the fashion show.

:!: I would like to know if there is anyone available to look at drawings, ask good questions, and draft the last of my designs and cut them too.
:!: I would like to know if there is anyone available to sew the last of my designs which have been cut.
You must live in the South Bay for this to work.  Please reply now, before 29th April approaches.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Nina Star 9 on April 24, 2006, 07:26:35 PM
D: if i have to be there on the 13th AND 20th, i might not be able to. the distance thing is a little hard to deal with... >> maybe i can find a ride... i will try my best to! but i probably will not know for usre until right before those dates... >>
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on April 24, 2006, 07:55:31 PM
Let me clarify, cause I know I suck at communicating sometimes.

13th. Anyone who's available on that date will do photo shoot and be measured. They will be on the fashion show on the 27th.

20th. Anyone who's available on that date will be in the fashion show on the 27th.

Anyone I have asked to be in the show and isn't available on those dates, I will speak to them personally regarding availability.  Nina, you are one of them.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Midnight Ryoko on April 30, 2006, 02:18:34 AM
I'd like to be in this in my Kyo Filth costume...tell me what I need to do.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on April 30, 2006, 12:39:41 PM
There are no 'costumes' of other people's imagination in this show.

If you have designed:
· articles or a collection of articles
· that is influenced by J-rock, or GL, or EGL, or whatever L,
· or influenced by other styles around the world
· but isn't a carbon copy from photographs, games, or manga you have seen

then you can wear it or put it on models in the fashion show.

If you have clothing that is a carbon copy of something, that's what Der Cosplay is for.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Midnight Ryoko on May 01, 2006, 12:27:00 PM
what's that?
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on May 02, 2006, 06:14:16 PM
If you are wearing a costume that is specifically from a J-rocker's photo shoot, or an identifiable outfit from a character in game/animation/comics that is, in fact, in publication, then your business is with Der Cosplay.

If your clothing is made to follow a mood, a lifestyle or a theme but is not in publication, then your business is with the fashion show.  General, no-brainer questions will no longer be answered.  All business with the fashion show must be addressed to [email protected].
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: MeliCat on May 02, 2006, 07:46:26 PM
Okay, so the show is the 27th of May? As I've been e-mailing some of you, I don't live in San Jose, so I can't attend any meeting but I'm still here for you if you need me to teach potential models some runway skills. I'm also okay with hair and make-up, but that isn't my strong point.

If anything unexpected happens and you need someone experienced to walk in the show at the last minute, I'm there for you all in that aspect too.

I'd love to help more, I really want to see this go well, but I'm so short on time and live so far.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Nina Star 9 on May 03, 2006, 06:12:53 PM
so, as models, are we going to be able to hit the con at all the day of the show, or are we going to have to stay and practise all day? o-o; *hopes for at least some time to go to the con during the day* D:
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on May 03, 2006, 06:28:46 PM
1) Thanks, Meli.  Could you please come to the rehearsal on the 27th, Ballroom C, from 9 to 11 a.m. to help us out?  Then, 4 to 6 p.m. help keep up team morale by reminding the models of that morning's instruction?  Spectators are welcome.

2) Nina, most everyone will be able to hit the con during the day.  Those who have a little more stuffed in their making-Fanime-happen schedule, we'll be making sure that our ship is in shape!  It is a matter of fact for models that the rehearsal starts at 9 sharp and the event setup begins at 4 sharp.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Nina Star 9 on May 03, 2006, 08:15:37 PM
so should i show up to rehearsal in normal clothes and the undies i will wear for the show? are we dressing at rehearsal?

sorry for having so many questions. ^-^;
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: MeliCat on May 07, 2006, 12:34:21 PM
Captain Kit: No problem, I'll be there at rehearsal and again in the evening and I'll stay for the whole show.

I have one request: is there anyway the models can bring the shoes they'll be wearing in the show to practice? If some are wearing multiple pairs, at least bring the most difficult ones to walk in?
Title: WHAT IS GOING ON?!
Post by: taffyuko on May 16, 2006, 02:26:24 PM
Teri and Veronica...

I.MCSCHERZO IS CONFUSED.

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We have no idea what's going on and we have reached the breaking point of skepticsm.  I mean, we have clothes but do we have the show?

Please relieve our anxiety and neurotic obsession for organization for this event.  We are really, SERIOUSLY doubting any progress at the moment.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Chikiru on May 31, 2006, 05:08:02 PM
Well... That was fun.

If this is happening again next year, I might be tempted to join again, although I told myself that if I was too busy, I wouldn't join. We'll see.  :wink:
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Nina Star 9 on May 31, 2006, 06:42:29 PM
i am so going to be a desinger next year. modeling was extremly fun, though. ^-^

i need a bunch of slaves... i mean.. a team of desingers to do all my sewing... i mean.. help me with my work... heehee...  :lol:
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Chikiru on June 04, 2006, 08:21:13 PM
Hey, it's me again. XD

Ne, if we're having this next year again, I don't think we should set a limit on how many outfits are required from each designer.

It's probably one of the few reasons some designers did not want to do the show.

Why don't we just have a however-many-you-want-to-make policy? It would be easier on a lot of people, especially those who are busy during the year, and more might be interested, as they don't have to invest all their time.
Title: Fashion Show: Reasons, Input, Refinement
Post by: Captaine Kit on July 17, 2006, 10:23:20 PM
Theresa, that's a good idea.  I'll be sure to post it to the fashion show yahoo group.

And now, zee topique is fermé.  Closed.  Fin.