It's a toss up between putting this here instead of "About the forums".
I remember the last couple of times I've asked about letting regular posters become moderators, there was a lot of interest.
Is that interest still there? Or are there some lingering questions?
Quote from: sysadmin on September 23, 2008, 11:08:18 AM
It's a toss up between putting this here instead of "About the forums".
I remember the last couple of times I've asked about letting regular posters become moderators, there was a lot of interest.
Is that interest still there? Or are there some lingering questions?
I'm still interested in that. :3
Quote from: RyuHayabusa on September 23, 2008, 11:59:20 AM
I'm still interested in that. :3
Have you seen the thread in the "about the forums" section? The applications are there, but I haven't seen yours.
I'm still interested, but I still can't think of what to send in the mail that would be awesome.
I'll give it a shot. ;D
*watches everyone flee*
:-\
Quote from: Mizuki on September 23, 2008, 12:47:22 PM
I'm still interested, but I still can't think of what to send in the mail that would be awesome.
If you can't be awesome, then be adequate.
That's a motivational poster, I think.
My lingering question is this:
Can I send in a business card that has a picture of me on it?
Or is that too little?
Quote from: XpHoBiaX on September 23, 2008, 02:35:38 PM
My lingering question is this:
Can I send in a business card that has a picture of me on it?
Or is that too little?
I'd prefer something a little larger, but I'll accept it. Maybe draw on the back of it or something.
Aww, lonely little admin... (:<
Well at another forum I go to, the admins set it up so that the thread creator could move and lock their own threads. Something like that might work better than making people mods.
Quote from: Mizuki on September 23, 2008, 12:47:22 PM
I'm still interested, but I still can't think of what to send in the mail that would be awesome.
Noodle Dish!!!
@Ryu: Im going to be honest, you arent very level headed in terms of forum moderating, you tend to be a bit biased when it comes to arguments drama stuff :T
Quote from: Kazuko on September 23, 2008, 07:58:46 PM
Quote from: Mizuki on September 23, 2008, 12:47:22 PM
I'm still interested, but I still can't think of what to send in the mail that would be awesome.
Noodle Dish!!!
@Ryu: Im going to be honest, you arent very level headed in terms of forum moderating, you tend to be a bit biased when it comes to arguments drama stuff :T
wwwwwwww take bets on how fast I'd get banned?
Quote from: PyronIkari on September 23, 2008, 08:38:20 PM
Quote from: Kazuko on September 23, 2008, 07:58:46 PM
Quote from: Mizuki on September 23, 2008, 12:47:22 PM
I'm still interested, but I still can't think of what to send in the mail that would be awesome.
Noodle Dish!!!
@Ryu: Im going to be honest, you arent very level headed in terms of forum moderating, you tend to be a bit biased when it comes to arguments drama stuff :T
wwwwwwww take bets on how fast I'd get banned?
I got money on however many seconds it takes to log into the SMF forum moderator panel and ban someone. If it's anything like invision. About 10-15 seconds.
Quote from: PyronIkari on September 23, 2008, 08:38:20 PM
Quote from: Kazuko on September 23, 2008, 07:58:46 PM
Quote from: Mizuki on September 23, 2008, 12:47:22 PM
I'm still interested, but I still can't think of what to send in the mail that would be awesome.
Noodle Dish!!!
@Ryu: Im going to be honest, you arent very level headed in terms of forum moderating, you tend to be a bit biased when it comes to arguments drama stuff :T
wwwwwwww take bets on how fast I'd get banned?
Hahaha
Mikey for forum mod \o/
Quote from: Kazuko on September 23, 2008, 08:42:16 PM
Hahaha
Mikey for forum mod \o/
Too much unneeded drama. Too many people would bitch, and the mods would remove me just to keep people from bitching.
Moderators lack the direct power to ban.
They can recommend a ban or other action to the admins (there is a special moderator-only place for that), but ultimately, the admins handle punishment or discipline. This is essentially a hand-brake for drama.
Quote from: Kazuko on September 23, 2008, 08:42:16 PM
Mikey for forum mod \o/
Puevfgznf pbzrf ohg bapr n lrne.
I'm not as active on the forums lately, but I still lurk and check things out on a regular basis. Recently, it doesn't really seem like more moderators have been really necessarily, but I'm interested. :J
sending in a postcard/item to apply for a mod position? interesting choice.
i'll give it a shot. its a good excuse to use our postal service once again instead of e-mail.
one question, though: since you put out the call for mods, how many postcards/various things have you actually gotten in the mail from people who are interested?
(side note: HAHAHA, just noticed mikey's birthday is during Yaoi-con)
Quote from: sysadmin on September 23, 2008, 03:58:55 PM
Quote from: XpHoBiaX on September 23, 2008, 02:35:38 PM
My lingering question is this:
Can I send in a business card that has a picture of me on it?
Or is that too little?
I'd prefer something a little larger, but I'll accept it. Maybe draw on the back of it or something.
I just went through a few business cards...and the only one that has a clear back is an old business card from last year. @_@ Nothing relating to me. I'll find something...How soon do you need this thingy?
Realistically... there isn't a single person I would choose to be a mod out of the the normal posters on this forum.
Would you choose me Pyron?? ;D
I'm far from normal...(well, I believe so...)
Quote from: XpHoBiaX on September 23, 2008, 11:15:43 PM
Would you choose me Pyron?? ;D
I'm far from normal...(well, I believe so...)
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA no.
Quote from: PyronIkari on September 23, 2008, 11:56:16 PM
Quote from: XpHoBiaX on September 23, 2008, 11:15:43 PM
Would you choose me Pyron?? ;D
I'm far from normal...(well, I believe so...)
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA no.
You're not invited to my birthday party. >:/
lol, that was pretty funny though...
Quote from: XpHoBiaX on September 23, 2008, 11:01:50 PM
I just went through a few business cards...and the only one that has a clear back is an old business card from last year. @_@ Nothing relating to me. I'll find something...How soon do you need this thingy?
The sooner it comes in, the sooner the application is processed.
If a business card won't do, a piece of paper with a stick figure is fine. Be creative with it, but don't stress on it.
Okay. Thanks!
Not to be a debbie downer or anything, but after your explanation of a mod's power (or lack there of) it doesn't seem like it's anything beyond being the person that notifies admin of issues among the posters. I personally don't think that a person without direct power to delete, modify, or lock posts/entire threads will have any influence within occurring while the admin is away. I'd apply for said mod position, but I can't imagine how many disputes I would get into for regulating when the posters may think I'm being too much of a "stiff ass" as a mod.
Again with your ass...jeez. j/k
Sysadmin:
You'll like what I drew up and sending out to you tomorrow. Even if i don't make the cut, I hope you hold onto it.
QuoteModerators lack the direct power to ban.
They can recommend a ban or other action to the admins (there is a special moderator-only place for that), but ultimately, the admins handle punishment or discipline. This is essentially a hand-brake for drama.
Sysadmin, that seems like a really mundane management power given the amount of formal application required for the position (Under the assumption there's no monetary compensation). In previous message boards these models really haven't shown any present influence (At all) for moderation of content, and becomes an extra step/hassle for administrators to do much of anything. This is under the assumption thread moving/locking/merging/deletion properties are not avaliable; it doesn't warrant the need for that much hassle if the position does nearly nothing in that respect.
~Chun
Quote from: Chun on September 24, 2008, 02:54:56 AM
QuoteModerators lack the direct power to ban.
They can recommend a ban or other action to the admins (there is a special moderator-only place for that), but ultimately, the admins handle punishment or discipline. This is essentially a hand-brake for drama.
Sysadmin, that seems like a really mundane management power given the amount of formal application required for the position (Under the assumption there's no monetary compensation). In previous message boards these models really haven't shown any present influence (At all) for moderation of content, and becomes an extra step/hassle for administrators to do much of anything. This is under the assumption thread moving/locking/merging/deletion properties are not avaliable; it doesn't warrant the need for that much hassle if the position does nearly nothing in that respect.
Basically, the mods would be the canaries in the proverbial coal mine from the sound of things. They'd be there to alert Sysadmin to problems on the forums. Of course, with the amount of drama going on, it might indeed be a headache for Sysadmin instead of a help with all the alerts that would pop up ("So-and-so did a personal attack in this post!" "Such-and-such made a thread that's a group attack in and of itself!" "Mikey made another post!").
Then again, if mods were given any real power at all, I highly suspect that the first order of business would be a race to see who could ban Mikey the fastest and with how much snark in the use of the Almighty Banhammer. A tempting thought, but indicative of how easily abusable that kind of thing could be.
I see I'm not the only one that sees the issue.
Quote from: JTchinoy on September 24, 2008, 01:28:15 AM
I personally don't think that a person without direct power to delete, modify, or lock posts/entire threads will have any influence within occurring while the admin is away.
Quote from: Chun on September 24, 2008, 02:54:56 AM
This is under the assumption thread moving/locking/merging/deletion properties are not avaliable...
Mods have regular powers to move/lock/merge/delete.
They just do not have the power to unilaterally and immediately ban someone.
.
Honestly, I wish you people would ask questions, instead of jumping to conclusions.
This really pisses me off.
Quote from: sysadmin on September 24, 2008, 09:51:55 AM
Quote from: JTchinoy on September 24, 2008, 01:28:15 AM
I personally don't think that a person without direct power to delete, modify, or lock posts/entire threads will have any influence within occurring while the admin is away.
Quote from: Chun on September 24, 2008, 02:54:56 AM
This is under the assumption thread moving/locking/merging/deletion properties are not avaliable...
Mods have regular powers to move/lock/merge/delete.
They just do not have the power to unilaterally and immediately ban someone.
.
Honestly, I wish you people would ask questions, instead of jumping to conclusions.
This really pisses me off.
This also happens to be stated in the About section of the forum. O_o I made sure I read up on everything (and thought about it for a good while) before I applied or asked a question...I assumed that mods would have basic functions, and if anyone really has common sense, they'd think about it too. O_o
When/if you get the position, tasks and "mod powers" will be assigned.
I may be a ditz, but damn I try to think about shit before I type it.
Quote from: sysadmin on September 24, 2008, 09:51:55 AM
Quote from: Chun on September 24, 2008, 02:54:56 AM
This is under the assumption thread moving/locking/merging/deletion properties are not avaliable...
Honestly, I wish you people would ask questions, instead of jumping to conclusions.
This really pisses me off.
Since my statement was on the assumption of that much limitation it's practically invalid.
In a nutshell, it's a standard mod position, but with more paperwork than really necessary (In my opinion). If for bannable options and overall topic/category organization level powers, the paperwork is somewhat reasonable but otherwise it seems a bit overkill.
~Chun
Quote from: Stormfalcon on September 24, 2008, 06:34:25 AM
Quote from: Chun on September 24, 2008, 02:54:56 AM
QuoteModerators lack the direct power to ban.
They can recommend a ban or other action to the admins (there is a special moderator-only place for that), but ultimately, the admins handle punishment or discipline. This is essentially a hand-brake for drama.
Sysadmin, that seems like a really mundane management power given the amount of formal application required for the position (Under the assumption there's no monetary compensation). In previous message boards these models really haven't shown any present influence (At all) for moderation of content, and becomes an extra step/hassle for administrators to do much of anything. This is under the assumption thread moving/locking/merging/deletion properties are not avaliable; it doesn't warrant the need for that much hassle if the position does nearly nothing in that respect.
Basically, the mods would be the canaries in the proverbial coal mine from the sound of things. They'd be there to alert Sysadmin to problems on the forums.
Yeah, but aren't canaries the first ones to die when rhings go wrong ::)
That is how a typical chain of command works though, the grunts always get stuck with alot of work. If you think about it. A mod is just that, like a babysitter. You can't spank the kid, you can't yell at them, but you can report it to the parents. You are the eyes and ears for the Admins.
If it's too much paperwork, don't apply. In this world, you need to work to get things. Even if it's a ridiculous amount of 'paperwork'. Not everyone is born with a silver spoon. If you want to do more, go apply for being an admin. But I doubt you'd get it before being a mod. Like I said, chain of command.
It was stated that he wasn't basing his judgements off previous knowledge or experience, he was making a 'Fair Go' for everyone who wanted to apply. If it's too much for you, don't even bother debating this if you are not going to apply. It's common sense. Stop nit picking on stuff that isn't going to go into effect until AFTER you've applied and got the job. >:/ You have NO IDEA what you will be put in charge of and what 'powers' you will have. >:/
Like I said: READ.
The door was open, so I checked it out and hoped on the bus. Doesn't mean I'll get the job, but I tried. Quit thinking about it and do it. He may never do this again. >:/
Quote from: Stormfalcon on September 24, 2008, 06:34:25 AM
Basically, the mods would be the canaries in the proverbial coal mine from the sound of things.
I think a better analogy is a small claims judge.
They can make a ruling and pronounce judgment (you need to pay the other guy $250 for damages).
However, they don't literally grab the guy's hand and make him write out the check.
There's all that behinds the scenes work where its filed and docket numbers are crossed, and other deep details.
So, moderators do not have the direct power to ban.
However, they have to power to
assign bans.
Assuming that I pick smart moderators who are not dramatic and who can mete out the proper punishment in a given situation, the distinction between the two reduces to "who clicks on the final button". (This also means that there is "no race to the ban button", which was the discussion at the time).
anyone who thinks its a race to ban people should not even bother trying to apply.
Quote from: Kazuko on September 23, 2008, 07:58:46 PM@Ryu: Im going to be honest, you arent very level headed in terms of forum moderating, you tend to be a bit biased when it comes to arguments drama stuff :T
+1
QFT
QFE
Seconded
etc, etc.
Quote from: otakuapprentice on September 24, 2008, 05:06:38 PM
anyone who thinks its a race to ban people should not even bother trying to apply.
lol
Quote from: otakuapprentice on September 24, 2008, 05:06:38 PM
anyone who thinks its a race to ban people should not even bother trying to apply.
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You are correct sir. I've only banned 3 people, ever for reasons other than forum spamming viagra/pron/etc. All very serious matters.
You have to be reasonable in the things that you do, even if you may not necessarily agree with the decision that you have to make.
Quote from: otakuapprentice on September 23, 2008, 10:43:17 PM
one question, though: since you put out the call for mods, how many postcards/various things have you actually gotten in the mail from people who are interested?
As of Monday September 29th, I have received 3 emails and 1 PM, from people who are actually interested.
Of those, I have received 1 item in the mail.
I am not too worried because of this. The people who have applied seem very sound to me, so it is just a matter of finishing the rest of the steps.
wow phobia's a mod?
BYE PYRON!!
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Quote from: PyronIkari on September 30, 2008, 12:06:51 AM
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
This!!!
jajajajajajajaaaaa
Quote from: JTchinoy on September 29, 2008, 11:30:18 PM
wow phobia's a mod?
BYE PYRON!!
lol! Nah.
I know that was a joke, but I think I shall put this out here for all to see.
I won't do such without a reasonable cuase. You all know how he is, and if you all had common sense you'd ignore him. Unless he breaks forum rules, don't bother me with "PYRONS BEING A JERK" messages.
And no, he hasn't broken forum rules. He's always a foot behind the limit, yelling through a bullhorn. If people try to fire something up to get Pyron in trouble, I won't even bother warning you. I'm taking it straight to the admin. (It has already come up on this thread about that particular issue)
You are mature enough to know better.
I am a lenient person. Most of the time I will just tell you once or twice to clean up your act. If you don't pay attention to that. I will take action, and not be generous. Warnings will be given publicly or via pm. Depending on the issue at hand.
Unless it's breaking the forum rules. Then I'll issue a formal warning. Appropriate measures will be taken, depening on the type of offense. I'm not here to be your safety net, but if you need me feel free to message me.
Now go play.
Quote from: XpHoBiaX on September 30, 2008, 01:58:43 PM
Quote from: JTchinoy on September 29, 2008, 11:30:18 PM
wow phobia's a mod?
BYE PYRON!!
lol! Nah.
I know that was a joke, but I think I shall put this out here for all to see.
I won't do such without a reasonable cuase. You all know how he is, and if you all had common sense you'd ignore him. Unless he breaks forum rules, don't bother me with "PYRONS BEING A JERK" messages.
And no, he hasn't broken forum rules. He's always a foot behind the limit, yelling through a bullhorn. If people try to fire something up to get Pyron in trouble, I won't even bother warning you. I'm taking it straight to the admin. (It has already come up on this thread about that particular issue)
You are mature enough to know better.
I am a lenient person. Most of the time I will just tell you once or twice to clean up your act. If you don't pay attention to that. I will take action, and not be generous. Warnings will be given publicly or via pm. Depending on the issue at hand. Unless it's breaking the forum rules. Then I'll issue a formal warning. Appropriate measures will be taken, depening on the type of offense. I'm not here to be your safety net, but if you need me feel free to message me.
Now go play.
Marry me Y/N :U i want a spring wedding
Quote from: Kazuko on September 30, 2008, 02:10:36 PM
Marry me Y/N :U i want a spring wedding
I hate spring @_@ My allergies go haywire....I like fall/winter ;>.>
Quote from: XpHoBiaX on September 30, 2008, 02:19:47 PM
Quote from: Kazuko on September 30, 2008, 02:10:36 PM
Marry me Y/N :U i want a spring wedding
I hate spring @_@ My allergies go haywire....I like fall/winter ;>.>
Fine winter wedding D:< but i get to pick the honey moon in france
Quote from: Kazuko on September 30, 2008, 02:35:52 PM
Quote from: XpHoBiaX on September 30, 2008, 02:19:47 PM
Quote from: Kazuko on September 30, 2008, 02:10:36 PM
Marry me Y/N :U i want a spring wedding
I hate spring @_@ My allergies go haywire....I like fall/winter ;>.>
Fine winter wedding D:< but i get to pick the honey moon in france
Okay X3
wow, so it does work. congrats!
So, sysadmin...
Other than XpHoBiaX, how many other people applied?
Quote from: sysadmin on September 29, 2008, 01:48:06 PM
Quote from: otakuapprentice on September 23, 2008, 10:43:17 PM
one question, though: since you put out the call for mods, how many postcards/various things have you actually gotten in the mail from people who are interested?
As of Monday September 29th, I have received 3 emails and 1 PM, from people who are actually interested.
Of those, I have received 1 item in the mail.
I am not too worried because of this. The people who have applied seem very sound to me, so it is just a matter of finishing the rest of the steps.
Quote from: JohnnyAR on October 03, 2008, 01:56:17 PM
So, sysadmin...
Other than XpHoBiaX, how many other people applied?
LRN2RD THX
Quote from: PyronIkari on October 03, 2008, 08:02:15 PM
Quote from: sysadmin on September 29, 2008, 01:48:06 PM
Quote from: otakuapprentice on September 23, 2008, 10:43:17 PM
one question, though: since you put out the call for mods, how many postcards/various things have you actually gotten in the mail from people who are interested?
As of Monday September 29th, I have received 3 emails and 1 PM, from people who are actually interested.
Of those, I have received 1 item in the mail.
I am not too worried because of this. The people who have applied seem very sound to me, so it is just a matter of finishing the rest of the steps.
Quote from: JohnnyAR on October 03, 2008, 01:56:17 PM
So, sysadmin...
Other than XpHoBiaX, how many other people applied?
LRN2RD THX
I would have posted something regarding this, but then i thought "nah......this smells like a mikey reply".
LOL.
I appluad thee. *appluads*
Hey mod... you're failing. The point of archiving memorable threads is to archive them. You're supposed to lock them and keep them in their entirety. Leaving it open only leads to the thread losing its appeal.
Quote from: PyronIkari on October 05, 2008, 12:37:36 PM
Hey mod... you're failing. The point of archiving memorable threads is to archive them. You're supposed to lock them and keep them in their entirety. Leaving it open only leads to the thread losing its appeal.
LRN2RD THX
~>http://forums.fanime.com/index.php/topic,10697.0.html (http://forums.fanime.com/index.php/topic,10697.0.html)
Also, I want to move gathering/pic threads to the album section Scott made.
So, the only way I fail is that I didn't spell everything out to you. Scott knows what I am doing. As far as I am concerned, he's the only one I really need to discuss, in detail, what I am up too.
Quote from: PyronIkari on October 05, 2008, 12:37:36 PM
You're supposed to lock them and keep them in their entirety. Leaving it open only leads to the thread losing its appeal.
There's a little ambiguity here.
If you're referring to threads in Hall of Fame/et.al., they are locked, even if they don't have an icon. Unless I made a mistake, you cannot create new threads or reply to threads there.
If you're referring to ancient threads in Things in the Universe, they've remained open for the last 5 years. So, I'm not 100% sure how they lose appeal by remaining untouched.
Anyway, this is probably a discussion for a separate thread, thanks.
Archived threads... I was able to reply to the threads in Hall of Shame when I made that post. I can't anymore, but I was able to.
XPhobia fails at totally being wrong.