Vampires vs Werewolves

[JohnnyAR]

Which side are you on?




I, of course will be going for vampires!

[Gatsby]

Neither! I'm on the side of Cthulhu! Haha... well if I had to choose one of those then I'd go for vampires.

[JohnnyAR]

Neither! I'm on the side of Cthulhu! Haha... well if I had to choose one of those then I'd go for vampires.

Then vote!

[Dominium]

That's a hard one.
I like werewolves more, so it's more on preference than anything. <3

[TC X0 Lt 0X]

Ha, I'm on Pelor, the God of the Sun, side.

Vampires die in direct sunlight, while Werewolves can't do anything.

All hail the Burning Hate!

[JohnnyAR]

Ha, I'm on Pelor, the God of the Sun, side.

Vampires die in direct sunlight, while Werewolves can't do anything.

All hail the Burning Hate!

But vampires can do more stuff.

[shy-cosplayer]

Vampires, all the way!

[TC X0 Lt 0X]

Ha, I'm on Pelor, the God of the Sun, side.

Vampires die in direct sunlight, while Werewolves can't do anything.

All hail the Burning Hate!

But vampires can do more stuff.

Whats a Vampire's power to a God? A sun god no less.
Nothing.

[JohnnyAR]

Ha, I'm on Pelor, the God of the Sun, side.

Vampires die in direct sunlight, while Werewolves can't do anything.

All hail the Burning Hate!

But vampires can do more stuff.

Whats a Vampire's power to a God? A sun god no less.
Nothing.

Read Dracula and you'll find out!

[TC X0 Lt 0X]

Ha, I'm on Pelor, the God of the Sun, side.

Vampires die in direct sunlight, while Werewolves can't do anything.

All hail the Burning Hate!

But vampires can do more stuff.

Whats a Vampire's power to a God? A sun god no less.
Nothing.

Read Dracula and you'll find out!

Reasons I'm on Pelor's Side

Pelorians believe that the life-giving sun is the best cure for all of Oerth's (the World's) ills. Justice and freedom are brought about through charity, modesty, perseverance, and self-sacrifice. Pelor's priests teach that the truly strong don't need to prove their power. Pelorians strive to perform so many good acts that evil has no room in which to exist, though they will fight if necessary. Pelor is wrathful against the forces of evil, and is especially opposed to the undead. However, Pelor urges his followers to remember that excessive attention to things of evil can blind one to the truly important things: compassion and goodness. These are what must be emphasized above all.

Pelorian dogma has it that the energy and power of life originates in the sun.

Myths and legends

    * Parable of the Hungry Man. This myth tells of a man who was driven to crime out of a combination of desperate poverty and foolish pride. His community forgave him and fed and clothed him when his perfidy was discovered.

    * Punishment of the Undead. This myth tells of the origin of vampires, said to have been cursed by Pelor after turning from his light to the pursuit of evil magic. The myth suggests that Pelor would forgive them, if only they would ask.

    * Gift of Eternal Light. This is an epic saga of an ancient kingdom threatened upon by mortal, demonic, and undead evil. Though sorely tested by their foes, the people of the kingdom had their morale restored each morning at the sight of the rising sun. In a climactic battle, the sun's rays helped defeat the demons and undead, and the Pelorians were victorious. An interesting detail is that this myth claims the sun's rays are the spirits of the righteous, a claim that no other Pelorian texts makes.

Relationships

A number of Pelor's followers have achieved deity or near-deity status, the most popular being Mayaheine, demigoddess of Protection, Justice, and Valor, and Saint Bane the Scourger, patron saint of those who hunt the undead. Another saint, Saint Jalnir the Gentle, was a half-orc priest. Saint Benedor of the Ashen Hand, patron of the Knight Protectors of the Great Kingdom, was a famous Pelorian paladin and remains greatly revered by the Sun Lord's faithful.

Among the other gods, Pelor is allied most closely with Mayaheine, and very closely allied with Rao as well. Pelor's other allies include Heironeous, Saint Cuthbert, Pholtus, Trithereon, and Zodal. Pelor's priests have been known to help mediate disputes between St. Cuthbert's followers and Pholtus's. Pelor is friendly to good-aligned nonhuman deities such as Corellon Larethian, Moradin, and Garl Glittergold, and is especially friendly to those with an agricultural or solar aspect, as Yondalla has.

Pelor opposes all evil deities and his followers avoid neutral deities with teachings counter to Pelor's. Pelor particularly loathes Tharizdun, having played a role in the Dark God's imprisonment, and Nerull (God of Death).

Dogma

There are two basic tenants of the faith of Pelor: "Aid Those in Need" and "Vanquish Evil." The two tenants are meant to compliment each other, and a priest should never, for example, sacrifice compassion in his urge to see evil brought to heel.

"Aid Those in Need": Nurturers and protectors, the priesthood of Pelor is heavily involved in charity work and caring for the needy, the sick, the injured, the suffering, and the unfortunate. Priests of Pelor will the community by building orphanages, acting as midwives, providing education, officating at funerals and weddings, orany number of charitable works.  They are also expected to lend their strength to the weak, and to aid in the defense of their flocks.  They view kindness, mercy, and compassion as virtues which all must aspire to.

"Vanquish Evil": The priest is expected to be ever vigilant against the forces of evil, especially undead. Pelor considers undead to be abombinations, and his priests are expected to do their utmost to bring about the destruction of undead creatures.  After destroying undead, priests of Pelor will often say the last rites over the remains in order to lay the creature's soul to rest.

Divine Rank System: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Divine_Ranks

Pelor is A Greater Deity (Divine Rank 16–20) by the way =)

Vampire Template: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Vampire

I wonder what is more powerful LOL

And For Giggles

On the evil of Pelor

Pelor is commonly thought to be the near embodiment of Neutral Good. As a sun god, he is thought to be the enemy of the undead and the author of life through his gifts. He is also a god of Strength, for he advocates that the weak must be protected by those capable.

However, recent revelations have given rise to a sect of thought (some label it an outright heresy) that Pelor may not be what he claims to be. A passage in the Book of Exalted Deeds states that Pelor refused to send his paladin a sunfly swarm to destroy a vampire that had murdered his family, while the paladin was out doing Pelor's work. In the same section, a CG god named Kord visited a plague upon his worshipper who was defeated on the battlefield. Speculations abound as to why Pelor refused his faithful paladin and range from defending the god (Pelor couldn't allow himself to stoop to the mortal's level of hate) to accusing the god (Pelor wanted to see his paladin suffer). No concrete answer could be found, but for those who thought it was a poor choice on Pelor's part, it led to a path of horrific discovery after discovery.

Further investigation revealed (in the Epic Level Handbook) that the Lord High Priest of Pelor denounced her deity and the faith. It also said that the secret texts of a prominent religion, recently discovered, call into question the church's real goal, its actual origin and the agenda of its god.

From there we turn to the Player's Handbook.

Jozan, the archetypical cleric of the Burning Hate is shown using symbol of pain, a 5th level cleric spell with the evil descriptor (PH 291). The SRD and PHB have two things to say about this:

First, a cleric can't cast spells of an alignment opposed to his own or his deity's (if he has one). Spells associated with particular alignments are indicated by the chaos, evil, good, and law descriptors in their spell descriptions.

Second, a cleric's alignment must be within one step of his deity's (that is, it may be one step away on either the lawful-chaotic axis or the good-evil axis, but not both). A cleric may not be neutral unless his deity's alignment is also neutral.

This means that Jozan can not be good-aligned, since he can casts evil spells. Nor Pelor can be , because he can grant evil aligned spells, that can only come from a non-good deity. So, Pelor can not be good-aligned.

Also, Jozan has been seen steping on the face of his allies to rise higher, rather than store his shield and mace (PH 68 ). That is not the act of a good-aligned being and shows quite a level of paranoia and mistrust against his allies.

Moving on from there to the Complete Scoundrel, we find the path of the malconvoker introduced. This path requires a non-evil alignment and deals in the summoning of demons. A quote from the iconic malconvoker: "Take him my slaves! Drag his soul back to your dark masters!" - Argyll Te'Shea, servant of Pelor and malconvoker. The summoning of demons has always been one of the most vile acts. Page 8 of the Book of Vile Darkness states that Consorting with Fiends is evil. The statement "Allowing a fiend to exist, let alone summoning one or helping one is clearly evil". More minor sections deal with 'casting evil spells' and 'damning or harming souls', both of which are clearly present within the Pelor-sponsored malconvoker. One could very well suspect this path to be nothing more than a thinly disguised trap for the unwary and their souls.

Also introduced into the Complete Scoundrel is the grey guard, which some may note "hey, that's just a slightly lighter version of the blackguard!" Indeed. Another step into the Lower Planes, this one is aimed at paladins rather than wizards and clerics. While I have not been able to tie the grey guard directly to Pelor as of yet, it seems that the taint caused by his masquerade is growing to touch even the sincere good aligned gods.

Looking at the relics that Pelor sponsors shows another side of this dark story. The dawnstar, if sundered or broken, deals massive damage to all other creatures (aside from the wielder) within a 30 foot radius. Clearly, this power was inserted with no thought given to the cost for the wielder's allies. The original dawnstars were given to 4 solars who rescued one of Pelor's paladins from Baator (Known as Perdition in some texts). A question arises then: what exactly was the paladin doing in Hell? If he had died and went to Hell, that suggests some oddity concerning his faith and alignment. If he ended in Hell due to his own dealings with the devils (which are endorsed by the Church of Pelor, don't forget), then it seems that Pelor was flouting the Pact Primeval, an ancient law enacted before Pelor's time. It seems that there are only a few possible answers. One, Pelor is truly of Hell, and his worshipper ended there because of his faith. Two, the paladin ended up in Hell of his own actions and Pelor gave no thought to the stability of the cosmos in order to bring him back. (Probably out of fear for what information torture would bring to the paladin's tongue.) Three, Pelor sponsors LE paladins, known as paladins of tyranny (in a complete twisting of the term paladin) because he is a vile god of evil.

The Inquisitor Bracers are another magic item sponsored by Pelor. These bracers justify the use of force on innocent people in order to sort them out from undead. You can't use the power of the bracers with a touch attack (to see if the positive energy perhaps burns the undead). You must swing your weapon with all force at the target, and hope that the positive energy undoes any mistake you might make. What a sick idea. A paladin on a different world once had a similar idea for dealing with undead. His name was Prince Arthas. Of Warcraft III fame.

Pelor's final relic is a sun shard, which is fairly simple, it fires searing light at two targets. This isn't damning in and of itself, but consider that while other good gods (Elonna and Yondalla for example) offered relics that aided mortals, Pelor's are all intended to destroy. This is of course, not a huge point against Pelor, but when added onto the mountain of evidence, seems to be just one more confirmation.

One adventuring group, headed by a tough talking thug named Dyson, followed the path against Pelor when they discovered something amiss within his church. Connections were drawn between Pelor and Baal. That story can be told by Dyson himself or his dungeon master Feanor. It should be noted however, that they began following this path of discovery prior to the release of the Book of Exalted Deeds. They were the first to see the truth and were shunned for it at the time. Those of us who have had our eyes opened to the light of the Burning Hate owe them a debt of gratitude.

Another adventuring group, this one composed of angels, were betrayed by their god into the hands of Lixer, a Prince of Hell. They were broken, one by one. One was twisted into a demon, one lost faith in the path of the Celestial Compact, one was blasted from existence and the last was petrified and stands still in the Court of a Lord of Hell. The god was not named, but he was a god of the sun. Again, this story predates the release of the Book of Exalted Deeds.

One final member of Dicefreaks has added information. Alratan was the first Freak to bring up evil uses for positive energy and good uses for negative energy. While his study does not accuse Pelor of anything (or indeed, deal with Pelor at all), it does point to an alternate path of positive energy, with which Pelor is definitely associated. (Positive energy, not the alternate path) This is important because many dubious (and some slack jawed) people have pointed towards Pelor's association with the sun and positive energy as proof of his inherent goodness.

It must be noted that nothing is proven. Pelor still sits in Elysium. No good aligned gods have moved against him, nor have they chilled alliances with the Sun God. It may be this is a smear campaign engineered by fiends, or simply the overactive imaginations of mortals. However, the above presented are facts, not fiction. Draw your own conclusions, but think twice before you choose the True Believer feat in Pelor's name. Below are my own conclusions drawn from the evidence.


Pelor is a Neutral (lawful tendancies) Evil god of Sun and Strength.
Pelor is a god of skin cancer, sun burns, thirst and burning agony.
Pelor hates undead as they cannot properly suffer in the same way as mortals.
Pelor's divine realm is on Elysium
Pelor has deceived the good gods and mortals for so long that he has grown complacent in his position. The recent revelations are not purposeful, they are accidents caused by the god being sloppy.
Pelor has many connections with Hell through both Bel and Belial and previously through Zariel.
Pelor may have engineered the Great Fall of Eblis, Triel and the others.
It is unknown if the devils, yugoloths or demons are aware that Pelor is evil. Presumably they are ignorant.


The above is intended to make clear the position of those people who claim Pelor is evil. It is not intended as a slur on those who seek to worship Pelor as a benign deity nor as concrete proof of his evil. The investigation into his misconduct is currently ongoing and no final judgement should be passed at this juncture.

You will probably need a loose understanding of D&D, but most of above should be understandable.

All Hail The Radiant One/The Burning Hate!

[BunofGovt]

I love rooting for the underdog (wait, that was not meant to be a pun).  Werewolves win, depending on when the fight is (oh, high noon?  sure, I'll be waiting at your coffin for ya ...)   :-*

[JohnnyAR]

But werewolves can only fight at a full moon which is only once a month, vampires can only come out at night!

[JTchinoy]

I voted for vajra.

[Ruby]

I take it we're not talking about Twilight versions of Vampires/Werewolves, and more so the popular kinds.


Hmmm.. Thats kind of tough. Werewolves are pretty awesome, but there has always been something I liked about vampires. >__> I guess I'll go with vampires.<3


When I was like, 5...I had this ridiculous idea that vampires sucked blood through their teeth like straws when they bit someone. :(