Prop 8 debate

[LordKefka]

Ok this is beating a dead horse now.

OP next time if you want a debate, don't make a topic telling people what they should do, come up with lame "reasons" for why they should (like it should even happen to begin with), and troll the rest of posts you make with three word responses when you don't know how else to rebuttal other posts by people who are were sincerely trying to debate with you. It's insulting.

Just advice for the future... I guess.

[Mizuki]

This is in no way beating a dead horse. People out there are still like the op, and I encourage everyone who sees this topic to post how they feel, 75% of this thread is what I dreamed of this forum to be.

[LordKefka]

Ok this is beating a dead horse now.

OP next time if you want a debate, don't make a topic telling people what they should do, come up with lame "reasons" for why they should (like it should even happen to begin with), and troll the rest of posts you make with three word responses when you don't know how else to rebuttal other posts by people who are were sincerely trying to debate with you. It's insulting.

Just advice for the future... I guess.

Carry on...

[Jun-Watarase]

And yet, it's ridiculous that Leslie, who even bothered to create this thread, STILL hasn't even attempted at addressing any of the points mentioned or brought up any valid argument to support herself.

Really, the only thing I've read from her so far is this BS about, "I don't think it's discriminating. I just don't want it taught in schools." when it was already explained that marriage, gay or not, isn't even taught in the average school curriculum.

Seriously, is the fear of kids learning about something they will some day be exposed to really worth taking away the right for an entire demographic to marry?

I've talked to other people too, more traditional and of older age briefly, and those who are strongly held to their own traditions are difficult to sway, but as for the more liberal types of that age group, they don't show much support either, except with "Just be patient. It'll happen eventually anyway." and/or "It doesn't really affect me, since I'm not gay, but I think it's fine either way."

Even though that's far from satisfactory, fact is, America will evolve above ridiculously stupid people like OP and change will happen.

[PyronIkari]

I wrote a post and it disappeared.

Uh well... I'll just summarize.

There is a difference between ignorant and stupid... however there is "choosing to be ignorant". Leslie isn't stupid, she just chooses to be ignorant. Maybe some day when the child starts to grow up she might decide to try and learn something.

Frankly, the mods should ban her for her disrespect to the rules of what this forum represents(Hint... this is the serious forum).

[rude32]

while most of the people who voted yes on prop8 are older people who grew up thinking it's bad, like my parents and there parents.

Unfortunatey, most of these people live in the central valley, and all of them hate when you express a different viewpoints. Oh well, I never had much hope for this area anyway.

[Steve.Young]

Have you guys seen the map of the counties that voted on Prop 8? The Bay Area up and down the coast was NO....while the rest of California was YES.

[Jun-Watarase]

Have you guys seen the map of the counties that voted on Prop 8? The Bay Area up and down the coast was NO....while the rest of California was YES.

Oh the irony. I blame those god damned Asians.

Forgive me for the humor, but I'm half-serious.

EDIT: Wait, nevermind. I came to the realization that most of the Asians that would be for Prop 8 don't even bother voting. =P

[PyronIkari]

Have you guys seen the map of the counties that voted on Prop 8? The Bay Area up and down the coast was NO....while the rest of California was YES.

Religion is a powerful thing.

[K&K4ever]

Have you guys seen the map of the counties that voted on Prop 8? The Bay Area up and down the coast was NO....while the rest of California was YES.

It's almost like the last presidential election, where all the states on the cost lines (east and west) were blue and all the states in between were red.

All the people on the coast have open minds, and all the people inland have closed minds. 

The Coast Line Gives Us BRAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIINS (sorry, I couldn't resist)

[rude32]

Have you guys seen the map of the counties that voted on Prop 8? The Bay Area up and down the coast was NO....while the rest of California was YES.

It's almost like the last presidential election, where all the states on the cost lines (east and west) were blue and all the states in between were red.

All the people on the coast have open minds, and all the people inland have closed minds. 

The Coast Line Gives Us BRAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIINS (sorry, I couldn't resist)

Yup thats how it is. The valleys are a cespool of ignorance.

[Jun-Watarase]

Have you guys seen the map of the counties that voted on Prop 8? The Bay Area up and down the coast was NO....while the rest of California was YES.

It's almost like the last presidential election, where all the states on the cost lines (east and west) were blue and all the states in between were red.

All the people on the coast have open minds, and all the people inland have closed minds. 

The Coast Line Gives Us BRAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIINS (sorry, I couldn't resist)

Yup thats how it is. The valleys are a cespool of ignorance.

I would suspect that it's because people living in coast lines are exposed to more things in general. You can't really blame people for being ignorant when they don't have any material to actually learn these things from.

[TC X0 Lt 0X]

while most of the people who voted yes on prop8 are older people who grew up thinking it's bad, like my parents and there parents.

Unfortunatey, most of these people live in the central valley, and all of them hate when you express a different viewpoints. Oh well, I never had much hope for this area anyway.

My Grandparent's on my dads side.
There Mormon, they think god is law, and they contributed to the 8.4 or so million dollars from Mormons on the yes on 8.
And I know there also racist, they talk badly about everything thats not white.
And don't get me started about my family reunion last summer (in which case, I had to sit in a cabin the middle of nowhere in Utah(go figure), being eaten alive by bugs, and my ear drum got screwed up on the flights, in which case it is still screwed up...).

It's sad to see the older people in society (who supposedly are wise) showing so much stupidity.

[K&K4ever]

Have you guys seen the map of the counties that voted on Prop 8? The Bay Area up and down the coast was NO....while the rest of California was YES.

It's almost like the last presidential election, where all the states on the cost lines (east and west) were blue and all the states in between were red.
All the people on the coast have open minds, and all the people inland have closed minds. 
The Coast Line Gives Us BRAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIINS (sorry, I couldn't resist)

Yup thats how it is. The valleys are a cespool of ignorance.

I would suspect that it's because people living in coast lines are exposed to more things in general. You can't really blame people for being ignorant when they don't have any material to actually learn these things from.

Or maybe we get more exposure because of the coast line.  That's where all the ports are and where the imports come in

[Jun-Watarase]

Have you guys seen the map of the counties that voted on Prop 8? The Bay Area up and down the coast was NO....while the rest of California was YES.

It's almost like the last presidential election, where all the states on the cost lines (east and west) were blue and all the states in between were red.
All the people on the coast have open minds, and all the people inland have closed minds. 
The Coast Line Gives Us BRAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIINS (sorry, I couldn't resist)

Yup thats how it is. The valleys are a cespool of ignorance.

I would suspect that it's because people living in coast lines are exposed to more things in general. You can't really blame people for being ignorant when they don't have any material to actually learn these things from.

Or maybe we get more exposure because of the coast line.  That's where all the ports are and where the imports come in

Yeah, that was implied.

while most of the people who voted yes on prop8 are older people who grew up thinking it's bad, like my parents and there parents.

Unfortunatey, most of these people live in the central valley, and all of them hate when you express a different viewpoints. Oh well, I never had much hope for this area anyway.

My Grandparent's on my dads side.
There Mormon, they think god is law, and they contributed to the 8.4 or so million dollars from Mormons on the yes on 8.
And I know there also racist, they talk badly about everything thats not white.
And don't get me started about my family reunion last summer (in which case, I had to sit in a cabin the middle of nowhere in Utah(go figure), being eaten alive by bugs, and my ear drum got screwed up on the flights, in which case it is still screwed up...).

It's sad to see the older people in society (who supposedly are wise) showing so much stupidity.

As condescending as it sounds, it's because of the lack of exposure to things that normally restricts that part of America to evolve. A lot of their ideals and views are outdated and are accepted by sheep who reject anything that is "different" from the majority in fear of whatever threat they supposedly come with.

People on the coast would find a lot of these people "underdeveloped" whereas people within in inner states would find us "crazy and wild". Though, I'm surprised that even the majority of people in the Bay hold this strongly to something so ridiculously stupid.

[Mizuki]

I wrote a post and it disappeared.

Uh well... I'll just summarize.

There is a difference between ignorant and stupid... however there is "choosing to be ignorant". Leslie isn't stupid, she just chooses to be ignorant. Maybe some day when the child starts to grow up she might decide to try and learn something.

Frankly, the mods should ban her for her disrespect to the rules of what this forum represents(Hint... this is the serious forum).

I thought of banning her, but gave her the warning so she can answer the damn questions people left for her.

p.s. Op has a 24 hours to answer the questions left for her. I hope you can answer them.

[Chun]

Just for the sake of being clear:


The following is based on the LEGAL TEXT, NOT TELEVISION:

All this "protect children" and "forced marriage education" business is not mentioned in the text of the law. In the actual statement made in the California voter guide (Official .gov), there is no mandate requiring ANYTHING to be taught or banned from teaching given the proposition does/does not go through.

In other words, voters assumed if NO was passed on the proposition, a new law would be passed that reforms district teachings (Which is false).

THERE IS NO SUCH CONSEQUENCE. It simply removes the right for homosexual couples to marry. That's it.

There's no such child protection act or banning in schools. In fact, the education system HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PROPOSITION FINE TEXT.

This isn't a matter of tolerance for free speech. This is a matter of Californians failing to actually research what mess they approved.

http://www.voterguide.sos.ca.gov/title-sum/prop8-title-sum.htm

Show me where it protects Children. It does not.

~Chun

[Chewie]

I've a new level of respect for Jun and Pyron. Not to mention Chun. Well said, all of you.

Mizuki, also glad you caught the troll doing exactly that after getting hammered on for 4 pages.

Utterly ridiculous.

Maybe that petition will get the numbers it needs and this will all become moot.

Here's to hoping.

[K&K4ever]

Here's to hoping.

Cheers,

I singed it

[L3sli3_Lov3s_Chu]

Oh, boy... I might get banned?

Not really sure what exactly I can say to that other do what you want. If your going to ban me for THIS then... so be it. Have fun, I guess.

I was actually planning on locking this thread since I didn't really see much of a point to having it open anymore... But I suppose that would be defeating the purpose of even putting it up. Folks can put up their opinions just as I can put up mine.