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Quote from: cutiebunny on February 17, 2011, 12:59:39 PMAre parents now missing the word 'no' from their vocabulary? If their kid is whining in the back seat to go to McDonalds, does that mean that, unless they do so, they will be reported to Child Protective Services?Simply put, take responsibility for raising your kid. It is not the job of a corporation (or teacher...) to raise your child. Do not blame the company for making your kid eat the food. Until that child is able to earn (and spend) their own cash, it is no one's fault but the person who buys the food.Besides, have these people not heard of auction sites? There are people who sell the entire set of toys there. Buy the set, and hand them out as a reward.
Quote from: idontknow on February 24, 2011, 03:14:07 PMOh gawd. From what I hear, some parts of my hometown (Santa Clara county) are banned from selling Happy Meals until they reach certain nutritional guidelines (and I'm not sure what they are.) Speaking as someone that practically grew up on McDonalds (like ... at LEAST once a week) and isn't 243824732749832 pounds overweight ... McDonalds isn't FULLY to blame. Let's admit, there are a lot of things on the McDonalds menu that aren't healthy, but they also offer healthy alternations for Happy Meals like apple dippers and milk instead of a cheeseburger and a soda. And the toy? C'mon, you're allowed to buy the toy WITHOUT the meal. You shouldn't hold McDonalds responsible because your child is fat and spoiled. DON'T GIVE INTO YOUR KID, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT MAKES THE DECISIONS, NOT YOU ... until that point in adolescence when they realize they can say no back to their parents :P But anyways, I think it's all a matter of parenting, McDonalds is just another one of those "challenges" in your parenting skills.
Quote from: PyronIkari on February 24, 2011, 08:06:42 PMQuote from: idontknow on February 24, 2011, 03:14:07 PMOh gawd. From what I hear, some parts of my hometown (Santa Clara county) are banned from selling Happy Meals until they reach certain nutritional guidelines (and I'm not sure what they are.) Speaking as someone that practically grew up on McDonalds (like ... at LEAST once a week) and isn't 243824732749832 pounds overweight ... McDonalds isn't FULLY to blame. Let's admit, there are a lot of things on the McDonalds menu that aren't healthy, but they also offer healthy alternations for Happy Meals like apple dippers and milk instead of a cheeseburger and a soda. And the toy? C'mon, you're allowed to buy the toy WITHOUT the meal. You shouldn't hold McDonalds responsible because your child is fat and spoiled. DON'T GIVE INTO YOUR KID, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT MAKES THE DECISIONS, NOT YOU ... until that point in adolescence when they realize they can say no back to their parents :P But anyways, I think it's all a matter of parenting, McDonalds is just another one of those "challenges" in your parenting skills.Aren't FULLY? You mean, aren't to blame at all. If someone goes into a supermarket and buys bleach... and the person drinks it and dies, is it the supermarkets fault or the person that bought it? If a parent goes to the supermarket, and buys dog food, and feed it to their child for a year... is it the supermarkets fault or is it the parents? OH WOWS LOGIC!
Quote from: idontknow on February 25, 2011, 01:44:37 AMwith that, but it's kind of different with McDonalds. It's not a company trying to sell us bleach to drink or another company trying to sell us dog food for our kids. McDonald's main target is us and they try to sell us food even knowing that it's bad for your health. Of course, speaking in defense of McDonalds, now they display their nutritional facts and, as I mentioned before, have healthier alternatives and menu items. It's like ... it's not McDonalds fault that parents have bad parenting skills and give into their children's demands. But, it's McDonalds fault for making their food very unhealthy ... which was resolved with the healthy alternatives option. So, yeahh ... in a sense, I agree and disagree with you @_@ haha either way, there is a lot more emphasis on blaming the parents than on the company itself. It's like ... there's lots of "bad" in this world, but it's a matter of whether you choose to give into them or not. In the end, the only thing you can blame is yourself.K, I don't know how I ended all "philosophical" ... and contradicted myself >_<; hahahahah!
Quote from: erik6barnes on March 10, 2011, 04:18:09 AMYa agreed but toys in McDs are just to attract the children and they are getting positive result as many children just want to go McDs just because of those toys..Also parents are equally responsible for the same.
Quote from: TC_X0_Lt_0X on February 15, 2011, 07:14:36 AMA Classic response by a parent now a days, blaming the corporations for their lack of parenting skills.
Quote from: hikanteki on May 24, 2011, 12:32:06 AMEhh, I don't see the big deal in regulations like this. In fact, I think it's a great idea. Most food at McDonald's is healthy by no standards (I've studied this stuff, and trust me...it's bad & there are a lot more problems than just calories), so why not have them at least make an attempt to be healthier, especially if they're going to target kids? If the parent isn't doing their job and putting their foot down, there's certainly nothing wrong with putting safeguards in place so the kid doesn't get hurt too much.
Quote from: PyronIkari on May 24, 2011, 11:23:57 AMBecause now you're restricting people and telling people what they can and cannot eat. If I want to eat something unhealthy, who are you to tell me I cannot go out and buy it and eat it? Two cartoons have done an entire episode based on this very thing. King of the Hill and American Dad both did episodes about trans fat banning. You're basically saying that it's okay for the government to mandate what we can and cannot eat because some people are too stupid to make rational decisions.
QuoteNow we get into a real health discussion. You know the human body is made to adapt to things right? If you completely remove "bad things" from someone then the body never learns to adapt to bad things and thusly becomes weaker than someone who "only eats healthy things". It's the same idea of never letting your kid go outside and getting hurt, playing in mud, getting drity, etc. When you prevent the human body from ever experiencing these things, they never build up tolarance or immunity to these things.
QuoteRowan RavenSong he got sick because French fries were too greasy for him". Okay, your generic french fries are not that unhealthy. grease and fat are not that bad for you. In many ways, they're incredibly healthy for you in moderation. But your body has grown to not be able to handle it because you avoid eating it and have done so for a long time.
QuoteHere's a fun story. There was a man in SE Asia that lived on nothing but bacon(well pork belly not nec. bacon) and deep fried foods for the majority of his entire life. He was one of the healthiest men in the world and is still alive well into his I think 80s now(I hread this story sometime around 2000). Doctors say he was so healthy because his body learned to process the food well.Am I saying everyone should do this? Of course not because his body adapted faster than most people would. He also exercizes daily and knows how his body works. But it's proof that just because "something is bad" doesn't mean "it's bad".
QuotePeople in general need to learn moderation. Unhealthy things are healthy for you in moderation, and only eating healthy food is actually bad for you. So will I give my kid things like mcdonalds and stuff? You're damn right I will, but I won't give it to them every day for every meal. People are so busy trying to sound "better" than other people and have this bull shit holier than thou attitude because "I eat right". Last I checked, I'm completely healthy and my diet is far from what people say is "healthy". Last thing I remember was how true vegans actually deprive their body of a lot of nurishments that the body requires and do harm by not eating fatty things.
QuoteThink of it. Milk was made by the human body to nourish its young. It's the natural food created by bodies for their children. Do you realize how much fat and sugar is in milk? Milk and dairy products are some of the fattiest foods out there. Sugar? Fruits and fruit juice are mostly sugar. Fruit juice is just as bad for you as almost anything in terms of sugar content. These are natural things with what some people say are terrible for you. Quit being god damned hypocrites. If you want to talk about diet and health, actually know what the hell you're talking about before you chime in your stupid ass decision about how "so and so is so unhealthy" and "This is so much better for you".Fruits are actually not healthy for you if you do not eat them correctly. By correctly I mean time based. Fruits are supposed to be eaten when you have an empty stomach and only an empty stomach? Why? Because if you don't... it sits mixed with food that takes more time to digest. When it does that, it rots in your stomach and isn't fully digested and broken down until way after it ferments. But this is basic diet knowledge and you know that right? Eating healthy means eating in moderation, "good" and "bad". knowing your body and eating things that your body needs is basics, and sometimes your body needs things that are labeled "bad" but in small amounts.
Quote from: hikanteki on May 24, 2011, 01:02:59 PMIt's not about telling people what they can and cannot eat, it's telling companies what they can and cannot sell. Big difference.
QuoteIt isn't quite the same. You are correct that the body was made to adapt to trace amounts of dirt, poisons, etc, but just trace amounts. Nothing to the scale of what's in one happy meal, let alone day after day, week after week, etc. It's like living in a constantly polluted environment - the body can't adapt to something like that. After eating nothing but garbage for a week you may not get any immediate reactions but the systems inside your body are breaking down.
QuoteIt depends on the type of grease and fat. Some types and cooking methods are better for you than others, but unfortunately deep frying is the worst. Vegetable oils break apart and become toxic when heated to that high of a temperature. (Ironically enough, when McDonalds was using lard to deep fry their food it was actually much healthier. Lard, although not a great food, does not break apart when heated to high temperatures.) Fast food restaurants (and, sadly, most others for that matter) also reuse oil for as long as they can get away with, which means you're getting rancid oils.
QuoteRegarding milk, well, I won't stay that it's the greatest food, but you need to know that one fat and one sugar is NOT as good as another fat or another sugar. Also, don't compare milk to McD's fast food -- McD's is healthy by NO standards. Nowhere did I ever say that fruit juice was healthy either; in fact I agree that it's one of the worst things you can drink, especially if it's from concentrate. You just put a lot of words into my mouth and used them to say that I don't know what I'm talking about. That was uncalled for. Trust me -- I know this stuff & yes, I am also very aware that fruits are best when eaten on an empty stomach. If you want to have an in-depth conversation about nutrition, I'm certainly down for it but you will need to lay off the attitude and personal attacks.
Quote from: PyronIkari on May 24, 2011, 01:35:41 PMSame difference. This is no different than banning anything that is potentially harmful through abuse.
QuoteNow you are speaking of judgment over what is being sold. No different than stating if someone chooses not to eat anything at all for a week. Trace amounts? Oh ho, now you're being subjective. Define trace amounts. If I eat McDonalds once every week, is that trace amounts? Will I DIE IF I EAT McDonalds once a week? What about twice every week? Will my body break down and leave me a useless mess if I eat McDonalds twice a week? I mean, it's poison right? If I eat McDonalds then i'm literally consuming poison that will break down my insides and kill me?
QuoteWhat a joke. Thousands of people eat fast food for almost every meal they have because it's convenient and fast. It's not healthy, but it is not poisoning them and killing them. You do not see thousands of people dying every day due to McDonalds.
QuoteOkay? And? Do you know what else people eat in the world? Koreans eat fermented cabbage. Finnish eat fermented fish in a barrel. Do you know what alcohol is? That's all poison to though right? Companies should not be allowed to sell alcohol, kim chi, sirgstromi(sp?), lots of different cheeses, and hell... most foreign foods should be banned too in this case.
QuoteSee here's the thing. I do not put words in your mouth, I'm merely showing you how YOU ARE PORTRAYING THE INFORMATION. You literally said those things wwhether or not you meant to word it that way. If you omit something then you are stating that it doesn't exist. If you say "eating mcdonalds will kill you" and leave it at that, you are stating that if someone eats mcdonalds they will die. That is not putting words in your mouth, that is literally what you just said, because you do not go into explain the reasonings, the exceptions, the basis of how that statement is true. To make it a true statement you must say "Eating McDonalds constantly without balancing it out with other nutients and lack of exercise will kill you over time". See the difference? You're stating the top and that's it. You did it again in your reply to me by stating how poisonous McDonalds is.
QuoteI am perfectly healthy. I eat fast food for the large majority of my meals. Just yesterday I ate a huge serving of beef fat french fries(these things are so damn delicious). I consume quite a lot of alcohol, I smoke, I don't exercise very much... and I am completely healthy. Are you going to say I'm not? My doctor will disagree with you. I kind of trust him more than you. But according to everything you said, I should be a lifeless pile of fat with organs that do not work.
QuoteHealth, nutrition and what the human body needs VARIES SO MUCH BETWEEN PEOPLE that stating certain blanket statements are complely baseless. The idea of nutrition works on the idea of a control standard of food. Nutritional facts are based on 2000 calorie diets and most people do not live on 2000 calorie diets. If people want to eat McDonalds they can. It won't kill them. It's just not the "healthiest".
QuoteAnd besides that the biggest thing in this is... who gives a damn if it's unhealthy. Not everyone cares about taking perfect care of their health, because I will straight you say right now that you do not. Is this a huge claim? Yes, but it's true, because no one does. No one exercises the perfect amount every day. No one eats their perfect nutritional balance. Everyone indulges in things that are not healthy sometimes. Some days you over sleep, some days you undersleep, but you know what? That is your damn choice to make. If I want to eat a tub of ice cream, I damn well can eat a tub of ice cream. If I want to put a bunch of hot sauce on my food, I can and will. People do not eat just to stay healthy, people eat to enjoy the food they eat. People eat what is convenient, fast, or whatever it is they feel like doing at the time. Or are you against this and saying, people should ban food that is not healthy? Candy stores shouldn't exist, because candy is bad for kids? They shouldn't allow candy to be sold right? Let's ban chocolate, because that stuff is bad for people. ALL DESERT PLACES MUST GO!!!!!!! This is a health liquidation, only healthy things should exist, stores should not be allowed to sell unhealthy stuff. Because we're not taking away your choice to eat it, we're taking away the stores what they can and cannot sell.
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