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I have a couple of questions about the costume weapon policy.  First, would one be allowed to carry an airsoft gun if the trigger mechanism was removed, rendering it non-functional?  And second, are metal props allowed if they cannot be sharpened to an edge? (e.g. a hook.)
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I have a couple of questions about the costume weapon policy.  First, would one be allowed to carry an airsoft gun if the trigger mechanism was removed, rendering it non-functional?  And second, are metal props allowed if they cannot be sharpened to an edge? (e.g. a hook.)


I am very experienced with your first question quite well, allow me to elaborate as I have been explained to by Rovers Staff at Con-ops two/3 years ish.


Airsoft guns are not allowed, no ifs ands or buts, even if the entire mechanism is removed, and the hollow shell filled with expanding foam rendering it inoperable until the end of time. the Fact remains that you are carrying around something that is a realistic representation of a firearm, and was made originally with that intent.

Which is, if you ask me, somewhat hypocritical because I could swear I saw a WWII soldier running around with a very authentic looking M-1 last year.




I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it's probably No on your second question, though Eric or some other member of the staff might cut that limb out from under me.
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I have a question involving a toy gun as a prop. I am planning on making an Assassin's Creed modern-times cosplay, and I would have this as part of my costume:

http://www.amazon.com/Combat-Force-Automatic-Pistol-Action/dp/B004VNC960/ref=pd_sim_sg_3

My question is, would this be allowed? It's made of plastic and doesn't fire any projectiles, but when the trigger is pulled it makes noise and the slide moves back and fourth. It has an orange tip on the barrel, but it's hard to see from the side. I'd be planning on keeping it in a holster for the entire con.
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I have a question involving a toy gun as a prop. I am planning on making an Assassin's Creed modern-times cosplay, and I would have this as part of my costume:

http://www.amazon.com/Combat-Force-Automatic-Pistol-Action/dp/B004VNC960/ref=pd_sim_sg_3

My question is, would this be allowed? It's made of plastic and doesn't fire any projectiles, but when the trigger is pulled it makes noise and the slide moves back and fourth. It has an orange tip on the barrel, but it's hard to see from the side. I'd be planning on keeping it in a holster for the entire con.
I'm pretty sure it should be fine with the orange tip, I'm not sure what they'd feel like with the trigger on it but if you really wanted to keep it on for use outside of con I'd recommend allowing them to peacebond it to the holster perhaps.
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Agreed. Is there a ban on MGS cosplays? None of my gear is actual tactical stuff, all of it has been made custom from stuff like cell phone pouches and luggage straps. Also, my clothing won't be any type of actual tactical clothing, my vest is a modified t-shirt. Will it still be banned?

Cosplay.com page for my MGS1 Solid Snake cosplay:
http://www.cosplay.com/costume/379314/

Images of Solid Snake for reference:
http://images.wikia.com/metalgear/images/c/c8/Mgs-solid-snake.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zZIaBJHxl2M/Tan2jbH2vmI/AAAAAAAAAmI/Dh0VIs7wqTM/s1600/Solid_Snake_The_Twin_Snakes.jpg


http://riddlerreviews.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/wallpaper_metal_gear_solid_the_twin_snakes_01_1600.jpg
(Guy on the right)

I've also got a Socom pistol prop (non-functioning, not airsoft) with a removable suppressor (PVC pipe with threaded connectors). Both the gun and suppressor have orange tips. Socom pistol will also stay holstered except for photos. I'm also working on a cardboard/pvc PSG1 sniper rifle, which will also have a painted orange tip. If Solid Snake is acceptable, are these good to go as well?

Sorry to bump, but if anyone on staff past or present could help me out, that would be cool. I just wanna know so if I need to make or bring something else to Fanime, I can know ahead of time....
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Unless they decide tuld be aco blanket ban all militaristic cosplays that depict current military/paramilitary/spec-ops etc the MGS cosplay should be acceptable.

The Soccom pistol should be allright as well, however the only iffy bit might be the suppressor, so a second opinion from someone on rovers would be a good idea.

The PSG1 should be fine as long as it is discernible as a prop at a distance.. Honestly I'd love to see that one at Con and I'd love to compare construction techniques as I'm working on another Anti-material rifle. PM me if you have the time.
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I have a couple of questions about the costume weapon policy.  First, would one be allowed to carry an airsoft gun if the trigger mechanism was removed, rendering it non-functional?  And second, are metal props allowed if they cannot be sharpened to an edge? (e.g. a hook.)


I am very experienced with your first question quite well, allow me to elaborate as I have been explained to by Rovers Staff at Con-ops two/3 years ish.


Airsoft guns are not allowed, no ifs ands or buts, even if the entire mechanism is removed, and the hollow shell filled with expanding foam rendering it inoperable until the end of time. the Fact remains that you are carrying around something that is a realistic representation of a firearm, and was made originally with that intent.

Which is, if you ask me, somewhat hypocritical because I could swear I saw a WWII soldier running around with a very authentic looking M-1 last year.




I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it's probably No on your second question, though Eric or some other member of the staff might cut that limb out from under me.

The old policy was no airsoft, but if I am reading and remembering the new policy correctly, the policy one focuses more on functionality and being able to identify it as a non threatening prop (eg more focus on not pointing toy rifles at anyone than on simply appearance).  Erin is the final word on these things, not me, but as a shift lead my concern was always more about people behaving responsibly with their props.

As far as seeing someone with a realistic M1 prop, I have no doubt you've seen something along those lines.  I've seen people walking around with replica rifles, never mind airsoft replicas.  But before accusations of hypocritical behavior are tossed out there, keep in mind the possibility that people with those types of props are often told to take their props back to their room.  Some people listen, some people don't, and there's a window of time before they get spotted.  I know for my shift and personal behavior, I try to give attendees the benefit of the doubt and let them play with big boy rules.  If I spot a violation and tell them to take the prop to their room, they will do so in a timely manner on their own.  Some people take advantage of this, so you may see them violating rules a bit longer.  However, most attendees don't need to be escorted and hand held in order to comply with policies.

This is probably a little bit more ranty than needed, and as always these are perks al opinions, not fanima or rover official policy.  Still, as a convention that's "for fans, by fans" I wanted to make sure you folks know your input is being noted and appreciated and we will work to address community concerns.

Hopefully Erin will get back with info on the military policy soon enough.  I was a bit of a gear nut myself back in the day, so I understand many folks are eager to share their latest kit, but if SJCC has a policy, we'll have to simply do our best to compromise.
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Well... crap. Apparently my notifications of new replies were getting sent to my spam box. Apologies for the delay, guys.

So I just recently added another cosplay to my list, I didn't think about it until afterwords but this costume requires a whip as shown in this picture:
http://i47.tinypic.com/2n6hq2t.png

I know the rule with
- Real Weapons, Projectile Weapons (such as airsoft, or bb guns), Live Steel, Metal/Wooden Baseball Bats, Metal Kunai, Incendiary Devices, Solicitous Signs, Lasers, Laser Pointers, Paddles, Whips, Floggers, Brass Knuckles, Butterfly Knives, Concealed Blades, Throwing Stars, Tonfa, Saps, Clubs, Nunchaku, Sai, Metal or Glass props, to name a few.
But I was wondering if there is any such way to where a whip would be acceptable whether it be having to peace bond/attach it to the costume or if even a homemade version would be allowed if it were made with a different material or fake leather. Also asking for another friend who will need something like a riding crop for their costume, we weren't sure if that fell into the category of a whip or not.

Thanks~
We've allowed cloth "whips" in the past. It was made of fleece.

We've also taken the "whip" part and coiled it back along the handle so there were loops (I think that's what Wolftale's reply suggested...

We'll work with you on that one at-con, provided we can make it so it doesn't actually... whip.

I have a question~

So, if I complete all or the majority of my 2012 cosplays, I have considered cosplaying as Lust from Fullmetal Alchemist. One of her abilities is to grow her fingers out into slashing/stabbing weapons, sort of like a blade, but with her fingers.

http://www.zerochan.net/766276

There's a picture of her, if I do in fact cosplay her, I'll be making her claws (or whatever I should call it) a shorter length. How would I go about making these while keeping them appropriate for the con? Of course, I'll make sure they can't harm anyone and I certainly won't go jabbing at people, but I'd like to hear a staff member's opinion. Also, would I need to any sort of peace bonding, even though it'll be attached to my costume?

Thanks!

We've had hers before, made of paper mache, I believe. We stuck a tag on one of her "fingers", to make sure people knew she'd been talked to.

Any updates on the military/ tactical/ police cosplay?

I know of a large group of people who were looking forward to doing a Modern Warfare 3 group.
One of my bosses was editing it. He's got the final version. I'll get it posted as soon as I get it from him.

Agreed. Is there a ban on MGS cosplays? None of my gear is actual tactical stuff, all of it has been made custom from stuff like cell phone pouches and luggage straps. Also, my clothing won't be any type of actual tactical clothing, my vest is a modified t-shirt. Will it still be banned?

I've also got a Socom pistol prop (non-functioning, not airsoft) with a removable suppressor (PVC pipe with threaded connectors). Both the gun and suppressor have orange tips. Socom pistol will also stay holstered except for photos. I'm also working on a cardboard/pvc PSG1 sniper rifle, which will also have a painted orange tip. If Solid Snake is acceptable, are these good to go as well?
I think Solid Snake is ok. I believe we're against tactical and full uniforms. I can't recall at the moment, but S.S. should be OK.

Your guns sound reasonable, but I can't be sure from the description. Do you have a picture?

I'm planning to cosplay Yukio Okumura from Ao no Exorcist and I was wondering for his guns. I was just planning to simply use a wii pistol and paint it in black except for the orange tip, would that be alright? Also how should the holster for the gun look? like, do I need to show that the gun has an orange tip from the holster or can I have a solid holster that covers the section of the gun?
That sounds alright as long as the tip stays orange, and either holster option should be fine, though I'd prefer the first. The second wouldn't disqualify you.

I have a question involving a toy gun as a prop. I am planning on making an Assassin's Creed modern-times cosplay, and I would have this as part of my costume:

http://www.amazon.com/Combat-Force-Automatic-Pistol-Action/dp/B004VNC960/ref=pd_sim_sg_3

My question is, would this be allowed? It's made of plastic and doesn't fire any projectiles, but when the trigger is pulled it makes noise and the slide moves back and fourth. It has an orange tip on the barrel, but it's hard to see from the side. I'd be planning on keeping it in a holster for the entire con.
It can't make noise or function, and it has to have an orange tip. If it stays in a holster, I'm alright with it, at least in theory. Final review would have to happen in person, but I don't see major issues.

We still don't allow airsoft, so please don't plan on carrying that.

I want to say that the new military cosplay rules involve not having full uniforms of current military gear, but I can't remember the specifics.

Again, sorry for the delay in the response. My notification emails went awry. Hopefully I can be back to my normal promptness.
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I think getting some specific examples of what island isn't allowed in regards to military costumes, as well as why it's okay/not okay, would be great for some members to get a better idea of what they can plan for.
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I think getting some specific examples of what island isn't allowed in regards to military costumes, as well as why it's okay/not okay, would be great for some members to get a better idea of what they can plan for.
We have some, but not in my possession at the moment.
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I got on question. I have a plastic airsoft gun. Is that allowed and if it isn't is there any way to make it so I can bring it? Thanks.
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I got on question. I have a plastic airsoft gun. Is that allowed and if it isn't is there any way to make it so I can bring it? Thanks.
Airsoft guns are not allowed at all, regardless of functionality, so I'm sorry but no, you won't be able to bring it.
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Thank you. What types of plastic guns can I bring?
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Thank you. What types of plastic guns can I bring?
Generally we allow most which are not gun replicas, and which have orange tips. I've had people bring NERF guns which don't function, and I've had a few wooden ones. What sort of gun does your cosplay need?
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I just need a gun that looks like it could belong to a mafia head or something. The one I had hads an organge tip but I was worried because airsoft was not allowed last year.
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Agreed. Is there a ban on MGS cosplays? None of my gear is actual tactical stuff, all of it has been made custom from stuff like cell phone pouches and luggage straps. Also, my clothing won't be any type of actual tactical clothing, my vest is a modified t-shirt. Will it still be banned?

I've also got a Socom pistol prop (non-functioning, not airsoft) with a removable suppressor (PVC pipe with threaded connectors). Both the gun and suppressor have orange tips. Socom pistol will also stay holstered except for photos. I'm also working on a cardboard/pvc PSG1 sniper rifle, which will also have a painted orange tip. If Solid Snake is acceptable, are these good to go as well?
I think Solid Snake is ok. I believe we're against tactical and full uniforms. I can't recall at the moment, but S.S. should be OK.

Your guns sound reasonable, but I can't be sure from the description. Do you have a picture?


Here are some WIPs on my deviantart account:

SOCOM Pistol

PSG1

Both will have 1in painted orange tips; the Socom will have both the gun and the suppressor tipped, so that I can go suppressed or not and still have the orange show.
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No costumes may be realistic depictions of American Law Enforcement or current American Military uniforms, or have the words POLICE, POLICIA, SWAT, FBI, DEA, CIA or any other official Government Agency names or initials on them.

To make sure everyone sees it...

I just need a gun that looks like it could belong to a mafia head or something. The one I had hads an organge tip but I was worried because airsoft was not allowed last year.
Airsoft hasn't been allowed at all in the last six years. It's still not allowed, so you're going to have to find an alternative. We've had people have some success with squirt guns, or nerf guns. (I mentioned those, right?)

Here are some WIPs on my deviantart account:

SOCOM Pistol

PSG1

Both will have 1in painted orange tips; the Socom will have both the gun and the suppressor tipped, so that I can go suppressed or not and still have the orange show.
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I was wondering, when you mean 'no bows' do you mean both functional and nonfunctional? Or just functional? I was planning as going as a Ranger from the MMO 'Aion' but... that rule changes quite a few things...
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Looks acceptable from my pov

http://effektdmentality.deviantart.com/#/d4i60ng
Thanks. I'm gonna agree with you on that.

I was wondering, when you mean 'no bows' do you mean both functional and nonfunctional? Or just functional? I was planning as going as a Ranger from the MMO 'Aion' but... that rule changes quite a few things...
We've allowed "bows" which are designed to look like a legit bow, but which are strung with something which does not possess the tension necessary to actually shoot something. So like, one girl used yarn which was not only too short to actually string it tight, but which was... yarn.
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