Rock Band, new info; drumkit fails horribly

[alkaline]

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I'd like to quote myself again-

It's not like you or your kind wanted to like this game in the first place.

[M]

Whether they're called that same thing in class, or in theory, or on a website, really does not matter to me.

So how do you determine what a hi-hat is then? By saying that the definition does matter to you is a complete cop-out. Just say that you were wrong and move on.

In playing drums, the simple fact is, 99% of the time in MOST MUSIC (read; all of the music that will be on this game, most likely), you do not keep the beat with the "cymbals", you keep it with the "hi-hat", and the hi-hat has a lot more versatility than a cymbal does due to the hi-hat having a pedal.

99% is completely too high. Maybe 99% of the music you play has the beat kept on the hi-hat (DM != all music), but the (warning: new cymbal type) ride cymbal can be used to keep the beat. Jazz, much? Of course not, that doesn't exist in the 99% of the DM world.

My main point is, the game says "you can sit down at a drumset and play these tracks if you can play them on expert", and if you have four drumpads, with a constantly changing hi-hat/tom/cymbal, over three different drums, with your hi-hat on your right side (which as was mentioned before, is on probably less than 10% of drumsets) this claim is FALSE.

We don't know if the game will change them on the fly or if it's a per-song basis. Congrats on assuming again; the rest of us can assume (based on your past assumptions) that you are wrong.

Not going to argue my point anymore; Harmonix/EA just needs to add one more drumpad. Anything less is just pointless, a waste of time, and will not be anywhere *near* a realistic drum experience that they're touting.

DM has four pads and a pedal and you always play that (infact, you've spent the past few FanimeCons doing nothing but playing DM)... I guess DM must be a "pointless, waste of time". ;) Also, I've seen many drummers play DM and then go on to learn the real songs (I'm referring to DM's covers of actual songs) in a quick amount of time.

And of course, when people come into your thread and prove you wrong, you're "not going to argue [your] point anymore". BTW, what was your point again?

This means there's no hi-hat on your left, or ANYWHERE on the set, which basically takes out one of the fundamentals of drums. This would be like having a guitar controller with just buttons and nothing to strum.

This is also going to make it *extremely* hard to play some songs, because the hi-hat regulates rhythm for not only the drummer but generally everyone in a band environment (in most songs that will be in this game, mainstream rock stuff).

But I mean come on, this should just be common sense. Take out one of the toms, or SOMETHING; the hi-hat NEEDS to be in there.

So you wanted to have a hi-hat somewhere on the drum setup...

Harmonix/EA just needs to add one more drumpad. Anything less is just pointless, a waste of time, and will not be anywhere *near* a realistic drum experience that they're touting.

...but now you want them to add one more drum pad?

[PyronIkari]

Uhm... hey... uh... call me crazy... but... uhm...

The point of the Hi-hat isn't to keep the rhythm... the point of the drums are to keep the rhythm. The drummer dictates the tempo/pace of the song, and any part of the drum can be used as the rhythmic base. Each part of the drums is the individual sound you want to make, but each part is conjoined to keep rhythm. Hi-hat keeps rhythm just as much as the wood block(even though you'd probably use a hi-hat more). It's based on the song... Some songs are primarily snare, in which case the snare would... Some songs are cymbal based and the rhythm is primarily kept with the cymbal.

PS: My roommate laughed at almost every single one of your posts, yes he is a drummer and has been for the last 8 years.

Geez... it sounds like you're trying to dictate music and how a DRUMMER IS SUPPOSED TO PLAY... despite not being a drummer.

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[M]

So because I forget that DM has five pads instead of four (which, I'll admit that you're correct) negates all of my posts?

The point is that you don't know anything on this game except what was (poorly) typed up on that NeoGAF (and cross-posted on Bemanistyle) and have assumed most of what will be in the game.

DM has drum pads yes, because *gasp!* it's imitating an electronic drum set. If it was a real drum set, I would have said "hi-hat, snare drum, etc."

I just love reading people like you post about games where you have no clue what's going on (from creating the game to the final produce) and just like to complain and bicker about everything.

[PyronIkari]

PSS:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=g4ExR4QMaxc

Yoshiki doesn't like the hi-hat very much. But then again, X-Japan has never been in Drummania(kukuku) so it doesn't count as rock music... which apparently is totally based on the hi-hat to keep it's rhythm.

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[PyronIkari]

OH YAY, you replied...

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Wow you sound like you don't know crap for someone who plays the drums(once more, my roommate laughs at you)

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Bull... why?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7KW6ucyYuvo
That was the first song I thought of, and hey hey, he barely uses the hi-hat at all except for the transition near the end.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eJJgM23gLh8
Song doesn't even have a Hi-hat, because he uses an open hat-cymbal instead.


WOW, THE FIRST TWO SONGS I COULD THINKEDED OF'D DOESN"T HAS THE USINGS OF THE HI-HATS!

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Oh ho, you apparently don't listen to X-Japan.

Man... also, Drummania is a terrible game. Why? There's only 5 PADS... And where's my selector device on my electric drum set?!?!?!? I should be able to switch my cymbal types as well as change in between different toms!

WHERE'S MY 2nd AND 3RD DAMNED FOOT PEDAL... MY DAMNED HI-HAT SHOULD HAVE A GOD DAMNED FOOT PEDAL LIKE A REAL DRUMSET!!!! AND WHERE IS MY GOD DAMNED DOUBLE BASS!

DRUMMANIA IS TRASH... ONLY RETARDS WILL PLAY IT!

[otakuapprentice]

wow.

where's the fire extinguisher when you need one, 'cause this thread is flamin'!


:lol:

...i'll wait until I see an official press release from EA/Harmonix on Rock Band, then i'll make up my mind.

[gmontem]

If this game ends up not utilizing a hi-hat, I don't think the average joe and his 10 year old are going to notice or care.

[M]

If this game ends up not utilizing a hi-hat, I don't think the average joe and his 10 year old are going to notice or care.

The average joe tends to only think that a drum set contains a hi-hat, bass drum, a snare drum, and maybe a pair of tom-toms.

Not having the hi-hat is completely out of the question for a game of this caliber (that is, a game that they're trying to make as realistic as possible). Considering the popularity of music games in the US, now that Guitar Hero and MTV have shown how popular music games can be.

[otakuapprentice]

this is why i wait for official news/press releases.

this link will end the hi-hat debacle(for now...)

RB guitar, mic, and drumkit

if you don't feel like checking the link, i'll just say it:

although when needed, the yellow pad will almost always double as the high hat.

[M]

this is why i wait for official news/press releases.

this link will end the hi-hat debacle(for now...)

RB guitar, mic, and drumkit

if you don't feel like checking the link, i'll just say it:

although when needed, the yellow pad will almost always double as the high hat.

I posted that on the first page.

Oh wait. A new challenger appears! One detail that was left out of the original article... "...although when needed the yellow will almost always double as the high hat..." Note that the kit isn't finalized so if you're able to move the yellow button above the red one, that would make it really close to how an actual "right-handed" drum kit is.

[serajwl]

BAWWWWWWWW

wow.


...i'll wait until I see an official press release from EA/Harmonix on Rock Band, then i'll make up my mind.

agreed.

[zoupzuop2]

Wow. Had no idea a war was a'ragin' in the forums.

I'll just say this:
I play a keytar. As such I've no such time for such... MORTAL games. The keytar is the instrument of GOD. Seriously. Jeebus is pro'lly up there rockin' the AX-8 (Not invented yet) right nao.

[Jerry]

wasnt there a Jp. home version of Drum-mania?

How was that Drum kit set up?

Looking at the arcade version Vs. home version...

would there be an 'easy or economical' way of getting the drum kit as viable gaming accessory?  ::)

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[Spiritsnare]

wasnt there a Jp. home version of Drum-mania?

How was that Drum kit set up?

Looking at the arcade version Vs. home version...

would there be an 'easy or economical' way of getting the drum kit as viable gaming accessory?  ::)

Yes, there was, and yeah, there was a high-hat.

What I hear, however, is that the pads aren't the most sensitive of things (something that you *really* need in a music game), and that the bass pedal feels like you're stepping on nothing.

[Asa_Gohan]

Sorry but I have to agree, that set up fails so horribly...And rockband doesnt = drummania.  Drum mania has an actually set up that consists of a high hat, and only a high hat, a snare, 2 tom toms, and a cymbal.  Oh and a bass pedal. And they are layed out as exactly that and dont double as anything else unlike rockband where it is snare, and then just cymbals/tom toms.  WTF!  If theyre going for something realistic, they should have 6 things for drums. High hat, snare, 2 tom toms, a cymbal, and a bass pedal. And that tom toms shouldnt double as cymbals.  and btw, Ive NEVER seen a set up like in rock band either....snare then high hat? NO NO NO NO NO Its high hat then snare and from there followed by tom toms and ending is probably a cymbol.  Well with the toms acting as cymbals I can see that a bit now but really though....a high hat not being on the left side would screw up a lot of drummers.
Drummania>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rockband in terms of a drum set.  What they went for wasnt a traditional drumset, it was just pure fail.  But why would they care...As long as it makes money right? -_-

[Asa_Gohan]

Man... also, Drummania is a terrible game. Why? There's only 5 PADS... And where's my selector device on my electric drum set?!?!?!? I should be able to switch my cymbal types as well as change in between different toms!

WHERE'S MY 2nd AND 3RD DAMNED FOOT PEDAL... MY DAMNED HI-HAT SHOULD HAVE A GOD DAMNED FOOT PEDAL LIKE A REAL DRUMSET!!!! AND WHERE IS MY GOD DAMNED DOUBLE BASS!

DRUMMANIA IS TRASH... ONLY RETARDS WILL PLAY IT!

ZOMG IN ROCKBAND THERE ARE ONLY 4 PADS! WHERE IS IT'S SELECTOR DEVICE!?!?!?! HOW COME IT CANT CHANGE OUT TOM TOMS OR CHANGE THE LOCATION OF WHAT GOES WHERE!!! WHY DOESNT IT HAVE A HI HAT PEDAL!?!?!?! WHY DOESNT IT HAVE DOUBLE BASS!?!?!?! WHY DO THE TOM TOMS DOUBLE AS CYMBOLS AND NOT HAVE INDIVIDUAL FUNTIONS LIKE DRUM MANIA!??!?!?!
However its only a prototype...And hopefully they'll make it better.  Till then the drumset sucks ass compared to the drum mania machine....