As the title topic states, what Anime series would want to see brought to America?
*sarcasm* NAHROOTOE
O BOY I SURE CAN'T WAIT FOR DAT BREECH
Any and all.
On a side note, having nothing to do with this topic, why are those Avatars and Sigs (Mizuki and _Rena_'s, amongst others) popping up on several user profiles on the boards? Did I miss something?
Quote from: _Rena_ on October 08, 2008, 10:07:05 PM
*sarcasm* NAHROOTOE
Quote from: Mizuki on October 08, 2008, 10:24:36 PM
O BOY I SURE CAN'T WAIT FOR DAT BREECH
Man you people don't know anything, those were already brought over a while ago, sheesh, what dorks.
I want Zero no Tsukaima to be brought into the US already, dammit!
I want Naruto Shippuuden, but a series I would really want brought to the States would be Rosario+Vampire. I've just fallen in love with it.
Quote from: Dragon Ninja on October 09, 2008, 04:48:42 PM
I want Naruto Shippuuden, but a series I would really want brought to the States would be Rosario+Vampire. I've just fallen in love with it.
The manga is already here. But if you mean the TV series then I agree with you, its a great series!
The very very actual first series of Yu-gi-oh! I know they have the manga but I want to see the anime in better quality in picture and sound you can only watch this with subtitles on youtube they can keep it Japanese with English sub I just really want to get it all on dvd's.
Michiko to Hatchin will come to Adult Swim.
THE PROPHECY HAS BEEN FORETOLD
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Quote from: RaddaX2 on November 22, 2008, 01:52:37 PM
Michiko to Hatchin will come to Adult Swim.
THE PROPHECY HAS BEEN FORETOLD
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Whats that one about?
Quote from: JohnnyAR on November 22, 2008, 03:08:23 PM
Whats that one about?
There's only 5 eps so far so I can't really say much about the story. But if I were to generalize/familiarize I would say it's like a female Kamina rescuing Cinderella (
the drunk dancing loli) in a Cowboy Bebop themed world. That's Michiko to Hatchin (http://www.michikotohatchin.com/story/trailer02/index.html) in a nutshell. Description is subject to change.
Cutie Honey. All of them.
Except for New Cutie Honey. we already have that.
I doubt it but was Higurashi ever brought over, actually on second thought the dubbing alone would butcher it.
Bartender!
I'm weird and boring, what can I say?
None, keep them in Japan where 12 year old white kids can't touch them.
Quote from: Rodney_Pheonix on November 24, 2008, 08:46:58 AM
I doubt it but was Higurashi ever brought over, actually on second thought the dubbing alone would butcher it.
If i remember correctly its going straight to dvd unless adult swim wants to get the rights for it lol
Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei + Zoku + Goku
and Detroit Metal City... and big kudos for the company who does bring in both (probally Viz for DMC).
Quote from: lyricaldanichan on November 25, 2008, 01:27:59 PM
Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei + Zoku + Goku
and Detroit Metal City... and big kudos for the company who does bring in both (probally Viz for DMC).
Detroit Metal City!!!I love that series! Freaking awesome!
I want it to be brought here already!
Quote from: AnimeEmperor on November 24, 2008, 02:03:24 PM
None, keep them in Japan where 12 year old white kids can't touch them.
*sniff* what a beautiful comment.
D. Gray Man. I think it comes out in March though.
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Quote from: AnimeEmperor on November 24, 2008, 02:03:24 PM
None, keep them in Japan where 12 year old white kids can't touch them.
*sniff* what a beautiful comment.
my hero
Quote from: JohnnyAR on October 09, 2008, 02:44:33 PM
I want Zero no Tsukaima to be brought into the US already, dammit!
The first season has been released in a boxset back in december.I just finished watching all 13 eps and it was good.Hopefully the 2nd and 3rd seasons will be picked up.
Quote from: Rodney_Pheonix on November 24, 2008, 08:46:58 AM
I doubt it but was Higurashi ever brought over, actually on second thought the dubbing alone would butcher it.
Uh, I don't know. All their voices were pretty annoying to begin with.
Quote from: lyricaldanichan on November 25, 2008, 01:27:59 PM
Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei + Zoku + Goku
and Detroit Metal City... and big kudos for the company who does bring in both (probally Viz for DMC).
loooooooooool stop trolling
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Sorry to shoot all of those down, but... really?
LOL. KoJika is never coming to the states. Ever.
Moetan... I didn't follow the animation due to its quality, but I recall the primary reason for its existence is a moe version of learning English, which is the primary language in the US.
As for DMC, I guess there'd be kind of an appeal here based on what its about, but aren't there a ton of cultural stuff in there and humor that wouldn't apply in the US?
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Quote from: Jun-Watarase on January 07, 2009, 12:36:39 AM
Sorry to shoot all of those down, but... really?
LOL. KoJika is never coming to the states. Ever.
Moetan... I didn't follow the animation due to its quality, but I recall the primary reason for its existence is a moe version of learning English, which is the primary language in the US.
As for DMC, I guess there'd be kind of an appeal here based on what its about, but aren't there a ton of cultural stuff in there and humor that wouldn't apply in the US?
Yeah... Sad Days on KoJika... I'm gonna just get the Japanese DVD's of that one...
and Moetan... well... I mean, I thought it was fun... and there are still a lot of people here that can't speak English... soooo..... PLUS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vboy2DqTOc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vboy2DqTOc)
SEE! A fun song!
And DMC, I think they already are bringing it here stateside... at least in Live-Action, anyway... heheheh
;D ;D ;D
:U well jp dvds are by region so unless you can modify the settings on your media player or have a dvd player that plays any region well good luck
errr alot of immigrants now speak english or little english but it still gets them by, Im not sure how moetan would work out stateside
DMC live action is comming to the us because LA has american celebrities like Gene simmons in it and sure while it has something here in the states like Jun said too many japanese culture references and humor to be translated well in the US
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DMC wouldn't have too much of a problem translating. You don't need to be japanese to understand the awesomeness of air guitar. The only culture you need to know is ROCK, whether it be death metal, hair metal, punk, etc. I was watching this at the same time i was watching Beck and they're not too different aside from the obvious. Doubt we'll see it on Adult Swim though.
RAAAAAAAPE. RAPE. RAPE. RAPE. RAPE.
Quote from: sykoeent on January 07, 2009, 08:56:23 PM
Why are you guys so negative? The topic here is "What Anime Would You Want Brought to the States?" not "What Anime is coming to the States"! I know these will never get here, but they are still fun watches! And of course I know about the region coded dvd's! That's what my region free dvd player is for!
And really... did you guys just read the wikipedia description of Moetan? I saw a couple episodes and it's a typical magical girl anime, imo. It's fun, and silly! And DMC is coming to the states cos it's being shopped around the studios for a possible Crappifying-remake. Of course it will be changed! But that also means there is a higher chance the anime will make it to dvd here too, look at Ring and Ring (I still refuse to call it Ringu!) I know it's a free country and all, but you guys are being trolls, and that's just lame!
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Because I WOULDN'T want them in the states, rather... I DON'T want them to come to the states. I've followed Moe-tan for about... 6 years now. I've read the first three book releases. You "saw a few eps" and you're telling us that we "just read the wiki descriptions"? Okay, maybe it's just because I worked in localization for years, but I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE when products that aren't meant for an audience is forcibly brought to that audience, completely bastardized, and the bastardization is what becomes the "norm/accepted" of it.
Moe-tan is a joke English teaching guide. They take words and phrases and give them totally hilarious, but messed up uses for it. The "Moe-tan learning corner" and the books most famous one was the one that contained how to use the word "like". It gave the definition and for the usage sentence it had "I like you. Come to my house and f*ck my sister". This was in book 2 iirc. I don't remember seeing that I went through these like... 5 years ago.
Blah blah just to add because I don't want people to bring up contradictions and have to explain later. Mari-tan is a book series similar to the moe-tan books. This is the completely joke version of Moe-tan where everything goes out of its way to be ridiculous. Moe-tan is a lot more serious than Mari-tan but Moe-tan is still full of jokes and horrible translations and the what not.
SOMETHINGS YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW...
Moe-tan was partially made to make fun of the American fans of anime, and the culture as a whole. It was a reflection of how Americans bastardize Japanese phrases they learn from anime, and completely misuse stuff all the time.
So let's think about this. You want to take a series, meant to poorly teach English to JP people as a joke to make fun of Americans... and bring it to America. How would you dub this? Would you make her teach poor JP to the obviously JP student she has a crush on? I can only picture the discussion on purchasing the rights for it. "We're going to switch it around, so that they're making fun of JP people... YOU'LL LOVE IT! We're making fun of you!"
Then throw in the entire fact that she's a grade schooler, her friends are all grade schoolers, and they go out of their way to be AS PERVERTED AS POSSIBLE. Half the scenes would have to be edited.
There are a lot of series I think have no place being in the US because they're so culture based. There are shows though that just absolutely should not ever be brought here. Zetsubou Sensei and Moe-tan are two of them.
Zetsubou Sensei's entire premise is about Japanese culture. There's no way to localize it. First off, you can't explain the names in English. America doesn't have Kanji and usages. 4/5 episodes do not apply to the states with their basis.
If I were put on either of these projects as a localizer, I would flat out quit. It would be agonizing trying to translate and localize everything to be even 1/10th of what the original was trying to portray, and it would be iffy at best to find a way to explain it in English.
The easy answer of "then why change it, just leave it as it is" doesn't work. Because now you're bastardizing 80% of your target audience.
DMC doesn't have a translation problem but it has a cultural bounds. It would be the easiest of the three to do, and COULD be done, but now we're talking audience and like Lucky Star, it'd go over the heads of the majority. People would still love it though, despite not getting it at all.
Well, er, I wasn't being particularly negative about it nor was I trolling, but your reaction is blatantly displaying your stupidtiy. Just a heads up. But if anything, despite the topic of the thread, it doesn't hurt to make suggestions that aren't ridiculous. A lot of series wouldn't work because of the major cultural differences, and difference in audience. If you could enjoy it in its original form, and the fact that some series wouldn't work in the States... why would you want them in the States at all?
Moetan existed as a book series long before the animation even existed, and its entire point of creation was to teach English with moe characters. The animation was terrible, if anything. Please, don't you even try to push that I'm the one misinformed. I'll end it here, though.
Ah well, on topic of the thread, anyway, I'd have to agree with Michiko e Hatchin and D.Gray-Man working in the states. Though, I couldn't care less since I don't normally purchase DVDs.
EDIT: God damn it. I hate posting after Mikey. >:|
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Quote from: sykoeent on January 07, 2009, 09:44:40 PM
Actually... I was thinking about reading all of this wall of argumentative text, but I'm not going to... BUT... We have www.Engrish.com so I'd like to see their view on things. And, instead of calling this "What Anime Would You Want Brought to the States?", you should name it "What Anime Would Our Little Circle Wants in the States". I, personally, have no arguements with what you guys want brought in the states, but when I say what I want, I get Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Ridiculous Wall o'text arguing with me why I am wrong to want these here. I'm sorry, I didn't know this was under communist rule here. Before you try re-attacking me, please read the title of the forum and ask yourself, "is this really something to argue over?" cos it isn't.
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LOLOLOL trolling. "I CAN SAY WHATEVER I WANT, AND I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK AND I WILL MOCK YOU WITH SMILEY FACEYS!"
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Quote from: sykoeent on January 07, 2009, 08:56:23 PM
Why are you guys so negative? The topic here is "What Anime Would You Want Brought to the States?" not "What Anime is coming to the States"! I know these will never get here, but they are still fun watches! And of course I know about the region coded dvd's! That's what my region free dvd player is for!
And really... did you guys just read the wikipedia description of Moetan? I saw a couple episodes and it's a typical magical girl anime, imo. It's fun, and silly! And DMC is coming to the states cos it's being shopped around the studios for a possible Crappifying-remake. Of course it will be changed! But that also means there is a higher chance the anime will make it to dvd here too, look at Ring and Ring (I still refuse to call it Ringu!) I know it's a free country and all, but you guys are being trolls, and that's just lame!
Here's a smiley faceys for yous!
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Because I WOULDN'T want them in the states, rather... I DON'T want them to come to the states. I've followed Moe-tan for about... 6 years now. I've read the first three book releases. You "saw a few eps" and you're telling us that we "just read the wiki descriptions"? Okay, maybe it's just because I worked in localization for years, but I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE when products that aren't meant for an audience is forcibly brought to that audience, completely bastardized, and the bastardization is what becomes the "norm/accepted" of it.
Moe-tan is a joke English teaching guide. They take words and phrases and give them totally hilarious, but messed up uses for it. The "Moe-tan learning corner" and the books most famous one was the one that contained how to use the word "like". It gave the definition and for the usage sentence it had "I like you. Come to my house and f*ck my sister". This was in book 2 iirc. I don't remember seeing that I went through these like... 5 years ago.
SOMETHINGS YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW...
Moe-tan was partially made to make fun of the American fans of anime, and the culture as a whole. It was a reflection of how Americans bastardize Japanese phrases they learn from anime, and completely misuse stuff all the time.
So let's think about this. You want to take a series, meant to poorly teach English to JP people as a joke to make fun of Americans... and bring it to America. How would you dub this? Would you make her teach poor JP to the obviously JP student she has a crush on? I can only picture the discussion on purchasing the rights for it. "We're going to switch it around, so that they're making fun of JP people... YOU'LL LOVE IT! We're making fun of you!"
Then throw in the entire fact that she's a grade schooler, her friends are all grade schoolers, and they go out of their way to be AS PERVERTED AS POSSIBLE. Half the scenes would have to be edited.
There are a lot of series I think have no place being in the US because they're so culture based. There are shows though that just absolutely should not ever be brought here. Zetsubou Sensei and Moe-tan are two of them.
Zetsubou Sensei's entire premise is about Japanese culture. There's no way to localize it. First off, you can't explain the names in English. America doesn't have Kanji and usages. 4/5 episodes do not apply to the states with their basis.
If I were put on either of these projects as a localizer, I would flat out quit. It would be agonizing trying to translate and localize everything to be even 1/10th of what the original was trying to portray, and it would be iffy at best to find a way to explain it in English.
The easy answer of "then why change it, just leave it as it is" doesn't work. Because now you're bastardizing 80% of your target audience.
DMC doesn't have a translation problem but it has a cultural bounds. It would be the easiest of the three to do, and COULD be done, but now we're talking audience and like Lucky Star, it'd go over the heads of the majority. People would still love it though, despite not getting it at all.
Actually... I was thinking about reading all of this wall of argumentative text, but I'm not going to... BUT... We have www.Engrish.com so I'd like to see their view on things. And, instead of calling this "What Anime Would You Want Brought to the States?", you should name it "What Anime Would Our Little Circle Wants in the States". I, personally, have no arguements with what you guys want brought in the states, but when I say what I want, I get Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Ridiculous Wall o'text arguing with me why I am wrong to want these here. I'm sorry, I didn't know this was under communist rule here. Before you try re-attacking me, please read the title of the forum and ask yourself, "is this really something to argue over?" cos it isn't.
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The reason he is wall of texting you is because you're showing signs of ignorance. I really don't need to add anything else other than do your research and actually pay attention when you watch anime before you think such-and-such series should be brought over.
Having Lucky Star brought over is a joke, it's all japanese culture/japanese memes that not many americans will get, heck I didn't even get 1/2 of the stuff they were talking about, while there's people running around thinking they know what each of them are.
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The reason he is wall of texting you is because you're showing signs of ignorance. I really don't need to add anything else other than do your research and actually pay attention when you watch anime before you think such-and-such series should be brought over.
Having Lucky Star brought over is a joke, it's all japanese culture/japanese memes that not many americans will get, heck I didn't even get 1/2 of the stuff they were talking about, while there's people running around thinking they know what each of them are.
Again, thanks for pointing these things out, but again, the topic is "What Anime Would You Want Brought to the States?"
I mean, do I really have to reiterate this? This forum is like a wish list of what I personally would like to see come here. Whether you agree or not, it doesn't really matter, and that's why I think it's funny and gave all of them smiley's, cos it seems like they want to bring in drama for something so simple as a comment that I made about how I'd like to see Kodomo no Jikan, Moetan and Detroit Metal City come to the states. If I'm showing signs of ignorance, it's because, well, look at the argument that was started. Seriously, it's an argument about what I'd like to see here and apparently how stupid, n00b and un-l33t I am for even mentioning these. Will what I want even come here? I doubt it. Is it wrong for me to want it here? No. Why are we even arguing this? Because Pyrex doesn't agree with me? Really, I don't even know who that guy is, nor do I care. I don't know who Jun or even you are. All I know is that, I voiced my opinion, and like a communist government, I was shot down.
And for that... you too get some smileys!
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Er, well.... for one thing, no one was trying to govern your opinion. I replied with my opinion, which I am also entitled to. It's the way YOU reacted to it, if anything, and the stupidity YOU chose to show that started any "drama". If you're acting stupid, you can't exactly blame others for pointing it out.
P.S. And do you not see the irony? You blame other people for trolling you, but if anything, you b*tching and whining about how people don't agree with you (which wasn't supposed to be a big deal in the first place, if anything) and throwing smileys at people you don't like to somehow reassure yourself that you're "above" opinions, and what's awesome is that you even chose to troll a mod.
I mean, come on. You're entitled to your opinion, but so are others. Make a stupid statement or suggestion? That's your choice. Someone else pointing it out and why? That's their choice too. World doesn't revolve around you.
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The reason he is wall of texting you is because you're showing signs of ignorance. I really don't need to add anything else other than do your research and actually pay attention when you watch anime before you think such-and-such series should be brought over.
Having Lucky Star brought over is a joke, it's all japanese culture/japanese memes that not many americans will get, heck I didn't even get 1/2 of the stuff they were talking about, while there's people running around thinking they know what each of them are.
Again, thanks for pointing these things out, but again, the topic is "What Anime Would You Want Brought to the States?"
I mean, do I really have to reiterate this? This forum is like a wish list of what I personally would like to see come here. Whether you agree or not, it doesn't really matter, and that's why I think it's funny and gave all of them smiley's, cos it seems like they want to bring in drama for something so simple as a comment that I made about how I'd like to see Kodomo no Jikan, Moetan and Detroit Metal City come to the states. If I'm showing signs of ignorance, it's because, well, look at the argument that was started. Seriously, it's an argument about what I'd like to see here and apparently how stupid, n00b and un-l33t I am for even mentioning these. Will what I want even come here? I doubt it. Is it wrong for me to want it here? No. Why are we even arguing this? Because Pyrex doesn't agree with me? Really, I don't even know who that guy is, nor do I care. I don't know who Jun or even you are. All I know is that, I voiced my opinion, and like a communist government, I was shot down.
And for that... you too get some smileys!
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Er, well.... for one thing, no one was trying to govern your opinion. I replied with my opinion, which I am also entitled to. It's the way YOU reacted to it, if anything, and the stupidity YOU chose to show that started any "drama". If you're acting stupid, you can't exactly blame others for pointing it out.
P.S. And do you not see the irony? You blame other people for trolling you, but if anything, you b*tching and whining about how people don't agree with you (which wasn't supposed to be a big deal in the first place, if anything) and throwing smileys at people you don't like to somehow reassure yourself that you're "above" opinions, and what's awesome is that you even chose to troll a mod.
I mean, come on. You're entitled to your opinion, but so are others. Make a stupid statement or suggestion? That's your choice. Someone else pointing it out and why? That's their choice too. World doesn't revolve around you.
The world doesn't revolve around me, I know that. And, as far as replying back, that too is free game. I reacted because it seemed like I was being attacked, in my opinion, for my views. Then I have some guy name Pyrex, or whatever, send some ridiculous wall. I mean, if you guys are used to having people take your fire backs, ok, but I'm not that person. If you want to argue still and drag out the drama, go ahead. I didn't ignore any of you because I just don't. Drama is drama, and a stupid reply to an honest answer is going to get a stupid argument. Complaining about it? Why shouldn't I? It sure beats getting beaten up on.
And as far as smileys? Well... they are just fun, and showing you that this is silly... So here you go!
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Well, initially, there wasn't really anything malicious about replying to your post. The only thing I didn't agree with in response to you was the random stating of ":U well jp dvds are by region so unless you can modify the settings on your media player or have a dvd player that plays any region well good luck" (sorry Kazuko) in response to your comment about sticking to Japanese DVDs. I replied with my opinion of what I thought about your suggestion, and I gave you reasons why I felt that I didn't agree. That, alone, really isn't a big deal. However, the way you reacted to the situation was immature and irritating. That includes the annoying string of smiley faces.
Other people responded to your reaction. You got defensive and even tried to
preach me as if I was uninformed. Others responded to your defensiveness in their right. Point is, despite whatever it is that you may want, there are opinions that point out the fact that some series don't work if they were brought over to the states, which is completely logical.
You can easily say something like "We should have onsen in the states" and others have the right to tell you why it wouldn't work and how your suggestion wasn't exactly well thought-out. Very simple, in fact.
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It's simple, folks. The ignore list is there for a reason. Use it before someone sucks you into another useless browbeating.
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Oh man, Kodomo no Jikan. Didn't you hear about it's attempt to be brought to the states and FAIL? Do you know how not "american" it is? DO YOU NOT THINK OF HOW THE SERIES WOULD TURN OUT POST TRANSLATION?
Okay, let's do this. How about having lets say Futurama. There's a lot of jokes and whatnot in the show about american culture that people wouldn't get. Think about it.
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You can say the same about The Simpsons since there is a lot of American culture in-jokes with that as well. Worse with King of the Hill, but I think we can agree that middle-class/lower middle class people in all cultures can relate to situations in those shows.
Quote from: Mizuki on January 08, 2009, 01:57:16 PM
Okay, let's do this. How about having lets say Futurama. There's a lot of jokes and whatnot in the show about american culture that people wouldn't get. Think about it.
Quote from: lyricaldanichan on January 08, 2009, 02:37:56 PM
You can say the same about The Simpsons since there is a lot of American culture in-jokes with that as well. Worse with King of the Hill, but I think we can agree that middle-class/lower middle class people in all cultures can relate to situations in those shows.
Quote from: Mizuki on January 08, 2009, 01:57:16 PM
Okay, let's do this. How about having lets say Futurama. There's a lot of jokes and whatnot in the show about american culture that people wouldn't get. Think about it.
Totally 100% true. I'm just a little bit more familiar with Futurama.
Futurama I think can translate to other cultures, most likley it would get tweeked. But from what I understood about US shows imported to other countries that they love watching American situations even if some of it doesn't make sense. I think it is the same with shows from other countries that get imported here. Who would of thought that people would get into a show like Urusei Yatsura (as a example) here in the US?
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Quote from: lyricaldanichan on January 08, 2009, 02:37:56 PM
You can say the same about The Simpsons since there is a lot of American culture in-jokes with that as well. Worse with King of the Hill, but I think we can agree that middle-class/lower middle class people in all cultures can relate to situations in those shows.
Quote from: Mizuki on January 08, 2009, 01:57:16 PM
Okay, let's do this. How about having lets say Futurama. There's a lot of jokes and whatnot in the show about american culture that people wouldn't get. Think about it.
Totally 100% true. I'm just a little bit more familiar with Futurama.
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YAY, THE TOPIC IS NOW ABOUT LOCALIZATION.
The Simpsons as a whole has many cultural references, but it is not the base of what The Simpsons is about. Futurama, same story. Both of them can be localized, as the references do not make up a large mass of what happens in episodes.
What you are looking for though, is Family Guy. A show that can never be localized anywhere outside of the United States. The entire show is reference after reference after reference to US pop culture from the 70/80/90/00's.
It's funny that you mention Genshiken. Because this is an example of something that is bastardized, and completely misunderstood, but the misunderstanding is now taken as the norm. Seriously, do you really get the point of Genshiken? I mean... really get it? The series makes fun of its own kind for legitimate reasons. It revolves around displaying how, 'yes it's true, otaku are still people with lives and thoughts... BUT THEY ARE STILL PATHETIC LOSERS'. It's about coming to terms with what people are, and accepting them for really what they are. Everyone in Genshiken has a chance to change to see the other perspective, and Saki is the only one that grows and learns from the cultural difference. The rest cower back to being losers, because in the end, that's what they are. Minus Kosaka, who's such an extreme that he was pretty much only used as a gateway to introduce Saki into the group.
That's now how it's accepted in the US. US people are like "THEY'RE NERDS LIKE ME!!! THIS IS SO COOL!" and that's it... completely missing the point. They used Genshiken as a reason to be more nerdy and to promote their nerdiness.
Urusei Yatsura isn't too culturally based despite what people think, but the thing is, it never caught on. Most people know "OF" Urusei Yatsura, but most people have never really watched the series. Maybe a few eps here and there.
And then Syko lists a bunch of crap that has nothing to do about this conversation. Just listing a bunch of stuff that was localized as if it means a damned thing and missing the point of "what can/should be localized vs. things that shouldn't/can't be localized".
Yes, frankly syko, I AM attacking your opinion, because your opinion is stupid. What is the point in bringing over a show to the states that won't work in the states. It does more bad than good.
I would NOT want KoJika to be localized. If it some how did, do you realize the backlash it would get? Chances are people would fight to get it banned from bookstores, which opens up pandora's box to get ALL JP comics banned from bookstores... and bring us back to the early 90's...
...because "That stuff is just cartoon porn".
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Quote from: sykoeent on January 08, 2009, 08:01:05 AM
I don't know who Jun or even you are. All I know is that, I voiced my opinion, and like a communist government, I was shot down.
And for that... you too get some smileys!
:D :D :D
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To contribute, as for anime I want brought to the states, clearly, the answer is School Days.
Or Popotan.
Popotan was brought over to the states. Unfortunately, it was brought over by Geneon, which has since pulled out of publishing & distribution. Funimation is in a deal with Geneon for publishing & distribution, but Popotan hasn't shown up on their list of Geneon rereleases yet.
Now y'alls just trippin'.
Well, then again, I suppose more people know about Popotan due to the Caramel Dansen. But there is no equivalent to Momomomomoi's voice~ Who ever to play Mii will just sound irritating, unfortnately. A lot of voices in Jappo animation, espeeeeecially Akiba-kei, end up to sound very irritating and disturbing when done in English. Stoic voices don't do so well, either... Good example of both, the Haruhi dub with both Mikuru and Yuki. I admit that Haruhi, herself, sounded decent enough though.
School Days, though. That's just crazy. There are a lot of themes within School Days, if not all of them, that are incompatible with the average US audience except with the fact that it's dark, emotional, "psychologically stimulating" (it's not supposed to be), and violent. But again, the reasons for as to why its emotional-- most people who will watch it will not be able to understand the feelings of most characters. They won't understand Sekai's position without just thinking that she's a b*tch, they won't understand Kotonoha's patience with Otome's bullying (which in itself, is culturally different) without concluding that she's just spineless, why a lot of the confrontation between characters is actually a big deal (confrontation is treated differently, here, as it's more open), and why the hell no one tried to intervene will just baffle the audience. Most fans in America don't understand the mentality of many Japanese people when it comes to conflicts, how most of them cowardly stay clear of trouble and try not to get involved, how they avoid confrontation because it's such a big deal, they'll just be dooming themselves, how bullies have a weaker sense of morale and attack pretty much every aspect to make someone miserable, and how gossip has the power to destroy a person for years if not their entire life. When you hear in the news of a stabbing, a lot of the criminals respond to the media with things like "I wanted to see what it was like" or "I felt that my reasons were more important than this person's life" or "I'm sick of people" being common phrases amongst similar crimes. School Days is probably one of the most realistic animations I've seen up until now. The game is even worse without the explicit chunks censored out like in the animation, which only made the story even more sadistic.
But despite that, it'd still prove to be entertaining, I'm sure. But those sort of things won't be considered-- it'd be more or less, "Man, this shit is f*cked up. Why the hell doesn't anyone do anything about this sh*t, mang. If they did then there'd be no bullsh*t. Girls are crazy." or "Wow... this is deep. I understand their pain, as mine is a deep void of darkness spiraling into a deep oblivion of which I cannot return from, thus I must cut myself to feel their pain because it is so deep". Of course, violence is entertaining in any language.
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Quote from: sykoeent on January 08, 2009, 08:01:05 AM
I don't know who Jun or even you are. All I know is that, I voiced my opinion, and like a communist government, I was shot down.
And for that... you too get some smileys!
:D :D :D
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To contribute, as for anime I want brought to the states, clearly, the answer is School Days.
Or Popotan.
Uh...Popotan is already here...
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Quote from: sykoeent on January 08, 2009, 08:01:05 AM
I don't know who Jun or even you are. All I know is that, I voiced my opinion, and like a communist government, I was shot down.
And for that... you too get some smileys!
:D :D :D
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To contribute, as for anime I want brought to the states, clearly, the answer is School Days.
Or Popotan.
Uh...Popotan is already here...
Oh yeah, huh. But you know, any series with Poyoyon Rock's style is going to be ear-bleeding to watch in English. w
Example: Komugi.
I've been scared to say this for a while, but to hell with it:
Anejiru (it's a hentai) XD
Ok then.
Eve no Jikan does have an international release planned, but that doesn't mean I can't be impatient. Want. Do want. Want moar episodes already.
Mahoraba, foo'. Mahoraba.
Red Baron (1994) *Closest thing that has been shown in America was a spanish version shown on spanish tv channels, so I would add it here but as an english dub)
Kinnikuman (the original series since we already got Nisei/Ultimate Muscle)
Sakigake!! Otokojuku
I'd love to see Earl & Fairy brought over
Definitely Majin Tantei Nougami Neuro! =D
Also Kannagi. ^_^
As far as I know, Monster still hasn't been licensed...? It seems like it should've been scooped up ages ago, given how brilliant it is.
A non-suckish version of Ojamajo Doremi and the second season of Kodocha? That would be cool *half-hearted smile* :'(
well as long as they keep it in Japanese Junjou Romantica. man i swear as soon as a good anime or manga hits the states it is all bad and the americans screw it up with their dubbing and stuff... DUDE IT IS NOT TO HARD TO READ A SHOW! YOU DONT SIT INFRONT OF THE FRIGGIN TV AND FOCUS ON ONE THING!
so yeah i would like to see Junjou Romantica in america, but BECAUSE we are so closed minded and homophobic...
THATS gonna happen
One Outs. It's an anime about baseball that plays out like Death Note. Why wouldn't it work in the states?
Quote from: RadioactiveKitty on March 02, 2009, 11:57:44 AM
well as long as they keep it in Japanese Junjou Romantica. man i swear as soon as a good anime or manga hits the states it is all bad and the americans screw it up with their dubbing and stuff... DUDE IT IS NOT TO HARD TO READ A SHOW! YOU DONT SIT INFRONT OF THE FRIGGIN TV AND FOCUS ON ONE THING!
so yeah i would like to see Junjou Romantica in america, but BECAUSE we are so closed minded and homophobic...
THATS gonna happen
How does the last phrase remotely make sense? We get it... you're gay. It's not because people are homophobic, because guess what... there's lots of homosexuals, and there's lots of homosexual media released.
ZOMG AMERICA IS HOMOPHOBIC... THEY WOULD NEVER LET A MOVIE LIKE MILK BE RELEASED! Or Brokeback Mountain. NO WAY AT ALL. HOMOPHOBIC AMERICA HATES GAYS, AND WON'T LET GAY MEDIA BE RELEASED!
Right?
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Quote from: RadioactiveKitty on March 02, 2009, 11:57:44 AM
well as long as they keep it in Japanese Junjou Romantica. man i swear as soon as a good anime or manga hits the states it is all bad and the americans screw it up with their dubbing and stuff... DUDE IT IS NOT TO HARD TO READ A SHOW! YOU DONT SIT INFRONT OF THE FRIGGIN TV AND FOCUS ON ONE THING!
so yeah i would like to see Junjou Romantica in america, but BECAUSE we are so closed minded and homophobic...
THATS gonna happen
How does the last phrase remotely make sense? We get it... you're gay. It's not because people are homophobic, because guess what... there's lots of homosexuals, and there's lots of homosexual media released.
ZOMG AMERICA IS HOMOPHOBIC... THEY WOULD NEVER LET A MOVIE LIKE MILK BE RELEASED! Or Brokeback Mountain. NO WAY AT ALL. HOMOPHOBIC AMERICA HATES GAYS, AND WON'T LET GAY MEDIA BE RELEASED!
Right?
Right.
Natsume Yuujinchou. And Zoku Natsume Yuujinchou after it's over. I think there's a good chance since the manga was recently licensed.
Congrats to Kamiya Hiroshi (Natsume) and Inoue Kazuhiko (Nyanko sensei/Madara) for winning best male lead and best male supporting, respectively, at the 3rd Annual Seiyuu Awards!
NOOOOOOOOOOO DONT BRING ANY TO THE STATES! I like them in their original state. I prefer to read the subtitles its not that hard lol.
Quote from: キティ on March 24, 2009, 06:37:39 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOO DONT BRING ANY TO THE STATES! I like them in their original state. I prefer to read the subtitles its not that hard lol.
... how does bringing it to the states remove the subtitles? If anything, the provide BETTER subtitles since the translators at most of the companies are credible translators.
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Quote from: キティ on March 24, 2009, 06:37:39 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOO DONT BRING ANY TO THE STATES! I like them in their original state. I prefer to read the subtitles its not that hard lol.
... how does bringing it to the states remove the subtitles? If anything, the provide BETTER subtitles since the translators at most of the companies are credible translators.
idunno i cant say I wouldnt want some anime brought in the states. as long as it sticks to the storyline and is not dubbed over but subbed.
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Quote from: キティ on March 24, 2009, 06:37:39 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOO DONT BRING ANY TO THE STATES! I like them in their original state. I prefer to read the subtitles its not that hard lol.
... how does bringing it to the states remove the subtitles? If anything, the provide BETTER subtitles since the translators at most of the companies are credible translators.
idunno i cant say I wouldnt want some anime brought in the states. as long as it sticks to the storyline and is not dubbed over but subbed.
Why would they change the storyline? o_0
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Quote from: キティ on March 24, 2009, 06:37:39 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOO DONT BRING ANY TO THE STATES! I like them in their original state. I prefer to read the subtitles its not that hard lol.
... how does bringing it to the states remove the subtitles? If anything, the provide BETTER subtitles since the translators at most of the companies are credible translators.
idunno i cant say I wouldnt want some anime brought in the states. as long as it sticks to the storyline and is not dubbed over but subbed.
Why would they change the storyline? o_0
ugh guess whos dur ta dur XP not the story line i mean the dialogue. like in Naruto i dunno but i hear he does NOT say "BELIEVE IT!" in the japanese version he says something else
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Quote from: キティ on March 24, 2009, 06:37:39 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOO DONT BRING ANY TO THE STATES! I like them in their original state. I prefer to read the subtitles its not that hard lol.
... how does bringing it to the states remove the subtitles? If anything, the provide BETTER subtitles since the translators at most of the companies are credible translators.
idunno i cant say I wouldnt want some anime brought in the states. as long as it sticks to the storyline and is not dubbed over but subbed.
Why would they change the storyline? o_0
ugh guess whos dur ta dur XP not the story line i mean the dialogue. like in Naruto i dunno but i hear he does NOT say "BELIEVE IT!" in the japanese version he says something else
because its a swear word :U I mean sure some bits of dialouge has to be altered if its going to showed to a younger audience
Quote from: xLolitaBoix on March 24, 2009, 08:24:44 PM
ugh guess whos dur ta dur XP not the story line i mean the dialogue. like in Naruto i dunno but i hear he does NOT say "BELIEVE IT!" in the japanese version he says something else
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Dattebayo. Do you even know what Dattebayo means? Why are you watching the dubbed version anyways, if you care that much? Why don't you buy the DVD's and watch the subbed version then?
You understand that by "bring to America" they mean, that a series be licensed and released in the states. In which case it is easily available for purchase at your local media retailer (and more importantly, LEGAL).
... "Dattebayo" is nonsensical. It's his catch phrase. It wouldn't make sense to localize it in the US and keep it Dattebayo, so they made a catch phrase like "Believe it!" because it'd make more sense to the audience.
P.S. It's not a swear word.
If you don't like dubs, don't buy them. Don't bother watching them. They were created so that they're legally and easily accessible to the general public, and translated in a way most people would understand them. You can't expect the industry to keep it half English and half Japanese just because whiny fans demand it. Only some phrases can be kept originally Japanese, whereas the rest of the language is up for translation.
Watch subs, call it a day.
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NOOOOOOOOOOO DONT BRING ANY TO THE STATES! I like them in their original state. I prefer to read the subtitles its not that hard lol.
... how does bringing it to the states remove the subtitles? If anything, the provide BETTER subtitles since the translators at most of the companies are credible translators.
idunno i cant say I wouldnt want some anime brought in the states. as long as it sticks to the storyline and is not dubbed over but subbed.
Why would they change the storyline? o_0
ugh guess whos dur ta dur XP not the story line i mean the dialogue. like in Naruto i dunno but i hear he does NOT say "BELIEVE IT!" in the japanese version he says something else
because its a swear word :U I mean sure some bits of dialouge has to be altered if its going to showed to a younger audience
hahahaha well i think it
IS rated PG on Cartoon Network lol
This is now a thread about localization.
Oh hay, five bucks down that Bandai of sumshat will get K-ON! by the end of the year.
Moe blobs get it every time.
yay for moe blobs
Sailor Stars
Kamichama Karin and Kamichama Karin Chu (not out yet)
(If it hasn't already been stated) The uncut & undubbed versions of of DBZ and DBGT, with JP subtitles.
I want the Ushio & Tora Manga to be serialized in the USA dammit! The 10 OVAs just won't cut it >:(
Survive! Uninhabited Planet (Mujin Wakusei Survive).
the ichigo 100% (or strawberry 100%) anime ;_;
im reading the manga and its like one of my favorites......
Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei. It's very strange.
"RAY"
and the anime, "RAY the Animation"
*thumbs up*
+10 for those of you who've heard of it.
I don't know about anime, but I want the manga Shiawase Kissa Sanchoume to come to the US. ;_;
Quote from: Liquid on April 13, 2009, 12:49:18 PM
(If it hasn't already been stated) The uncut & undubbed versions of of DBZ and DBGT, with JP subtitles.
Same for Blue Dragon (and in it's 16X9 aspect.)
To be honest, I don't want anime to be brought to the USA. I hate English dubs and how America censors a lot of parts in anime.
I want to keep it in Japanese. If you want to market it in the USA, subtitle it in English. That'll be enough.
And for those that want to understand Japanese dub, learn Japanese. It's really that simple, in a sense. XD
Joshua
Quote from: Joshua on May 31, 2009, 10:47:56 PM
To be honest, I don't want anime to be brought to the USA. I hate English dubs and how America censors a lot of parts in anime.
I want to keep it in Japanese. If you want to market it in the USA, subtitle it in English. That'll be enough.
And for those that want to understand Japanese dub, learn Japanese. It's really that simple, in a sense. XD
Joshua
... I'm guessing you don't know anything about marketing nor the current state of this industry in the states. "That'll be enough"? Are you serious? Well first, as a business "enough" isn't what they're aiming for. As much business as possible... is what they're aiming for.
2ndly, you don't like dubs, that's fine. How does a company releasing dubs in any way affect/harm/hurt you? You're telling people that they should learn Japanese if they want to watch anime without having to depend on subtitles...
Essentially you're saying that a huge part of business and international sales should be completely terminated, because "you don't like dubs". Dubs happen everywhere, Japan gets dubbed versions of US dramas and stuff. A lot of those dubbed shows are done by VAs in anime. These VAs usually get more for these dubs than they do for work on anime. VA'ing isn't exactly the best paying job in the world, and without stuff like dubs, many of them probably couldn't afford to stay VAs.
To me, it sounds nothing more than you being an elitist. "I LIKE MY ANIME IN JP, AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T IS BELOW ME AND DOESN'T DESERVE TO WATCH IT!"
Dubs HELP the anime community. JP studios make money when they are bought and dubbed in to the US. All opinion of quality aside, dubs support the industry as a whole in both the US AND JAPAN which gives studios more money to make more anime and in better quality.
But since you don't like dubs, and think nothing should be brought to the US, you are essentially saying you don't care about the economy... you elitist prick.
Quote from: PyronIkari on June 01, 2009, 12:56:45 AM
Quote from: Joshua on May 31, 2009, 10:47:56 PM
To be honest, I don't want anime to be brought to the USA. I hate English dubs and how America censors a lot of parts in anime.
I want to keep it in Japanese. If you want to market it in the USA, subtitle it in English. That'll be enough.
And for those that want to understand Japanese dub, learn Japanese. It's really that simple, in a sense. XD
Joshua
... I'm guessing you don't know anything about marketing nor the current state of this industry in the states. "That'll be enough"? Are you serious? Well first, as a business "enough" isn't what they're aiming for. As much business as possible... is what they're aiming for.
2ndly, you don't like dubs, that's fine. How does a company releasing dubs in any way affect/harm/hurt you? You're telling people that they should learn Japanese if they want to watch anime without having to depend on subtitles...
Essentially you're saying that a huge part of business and international sales should be completely terminated, because "you don't like dubs". Dubs happen everywhere, Japan gets dubbed versions of US dramas and stuff. A lot of those dubbed shows are done by VAs in anime. These VAs usually get more for these dubs than they do for work on anime. VA'ing isn't exactly the best paying job in the world, and without stuff like dubs, many of them probably couldn't afford to stay VAs.
To me, it sounds nothing more than you being an elitist. "I LIKE MY ANIME IN JP, AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T IS BELOW ME AND DOESN'T DESERVE TO WATCH IT!"
Dubs HELP the anime community. JP studios make money when they are bought and dubbed in to the US. All opinion of quality aside, dubs support the industry as a whole in both the US AND JAPAN which gives studios more money to make more anime and in better quality.
But since you don't like dubs, and think nothing should be brought to the US, you are essentially saying you don't care about the economy... you elitist prick.
uhh...one word - wow?
I really don't get how there are always the members in forums that just end up flaming the heck out of some other person's post. Hey, if you don't agree, just say so. Stop adding completely irrelevant and incorrect ideas such as assumptions (the most frequent and obvious mistake in logical arguments) and personal attacks. I'm not an "elitist prick", so stop saying that. Your signature says it all.
Unfortunately for your argument, I
do know and am completely aware of the state of the current anime industry in the United States. You have the wrong idea of "as much business as possible" - you're essentially saying that the US cannot make "a lot of business" without their own English dubs. By the way, crunchyroll.com is making incredible amounts of money from contracts with anime studios for subtitled anime. The core of your argument is invalid.
You also made a personal attack here. You also assumed that companies releasing English dubs hurt me. WTH? How does that even affect me? I don't have anything to do with them. Oh look, Spain made a Spanish dub of this anime. So? Why do I care? O_o I just won't watch it. I don't give a care whether other people watch it or not. It's their choice.
By the way, voice actors actually do get paid much in Japan, as it is a well-established profession. However, this is not the case in America (and this is the main reason why English dubs suck). Oh, and you got the logic backwards. Voice actors exist
because there are dubs to make,
not the other way around. If there were no overdubs, voice actors would not exist anyways.
And of course studios in Japan get money when the US industry buys from them. (It's the same as if I bought a crate of apples from you. Oh look, you got money.) Sadly that didn't have anything to do with what I said. You incorporated an irrelevant topic into the real one to create a fake argument (in logic circles this is known as the
straw man argument).
This had nothing to do with the economy. You're just saying that the economy will falter when the USA subtitles anime instead. That's a large stretch of an assumption, yet again. You seem pretty sure about what you said. What economy are you talking about? The USA? Japan? World economy?
Let me get this straight.
1. Japanese dubs for their anime are good.
2. English dubs for Japanese anime generally suck.
3. Therefore, I like Japanese dubs and hate English dubs.
4. As a result, I recommend others to try Japanese dubs. I also suggest that the US subtitle Japanese anime instead.
- and none of your "elitist" assumptions.
Quote from: Joshua on June 01, 2009, 03:32:00 AMuhh...one word - wow?
I really don't get how there are always the members in forums that just end up flaming the heck out of some other person's post. Hey, if you don't agree, just say so. Stop adding completely irrelevant and incorrect ideas such as assumptions (the most frequent and obvious mistake in logical arguments) and personal attacks. I'm not an "elitist prick", so stop saying that. Your signature says it all.
wwww
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Unfortunately for your argument, I do know and am completely aware of the state of the current anime industry in the United States. You have the wrong idea of "as much business as possible" - you're essentially saying that the US cannot make "a lot of business" without their own English dubs. By the way, crunchyroll.com is making incredible amounts of money from contracts with anime studios for subtitled anime. The core of your argument is invalid.
You assume you do, but you're wrong. I actually know people that work at crunchy roll... incredible amount of money? Wrong. They are doing decently well, but it's hardly booming. Am I saying a lot of business cannot make a lot of business without English dubs... some can succeed, but realistically, yes, they cannot make "A LOT OF BUSINESS" without dubs. This is about target audiences. Dubbing is catering to the main stream. The main stream doesn't want "subtitled anime" they want dubbed stuff. They want things that focus on the mass market. Subtitles aim towards the minority of the world. If you really want to talk about localization, the majority doesn't understand most of the cultural points in anime. They do not know what most Japanese things are, let alone be able to understand the themes. So they want a localization that caters to this. Why are things in Pokemon, Naruto, even Gundam changed? To fit the market.
QuoteYou also made a personal attack here. You also assumed that companies releasing English dubs hurt me. WTH? How does that even affect me? I don't have anything to do with them. Oh look, Spain made a Spanish dub of this anime. So? Why do I care? O_o I just won't watch it. I don't give a care whether other people watch it or not. It's their choice.
No, I didn't make an assumption, you stated this. Your first post clearly states you did not want them to exist at all. Not "I don't like them", nor "I don't care if they exist".
QuoteBy the way, voice actors actually do get paid much in Japan, as it is a well-established profession. However, this is not the case in America (and this is the main reason why English dubs suck). Oh, and you got the logic backwards. Voice actors exist because there are dubs to make, not the other way around. If there were no overdubs, voice actors would not exist anyways.
This is completely false. Only the top of the top get paid much, and it's not because of their VA work alone. Most top female VA's in Japan do so much more than VA'ing, and that's how they make the majority of their money. They do things like sing, model, and endorse goods. The vast majority of VA's have 2nd jobs, and not glamorous ones. It's completely normal for a VA to have a 2nd job as a waitress at a family restaurant, or other low paying attendant jobs that isn't too time consuming as to where they can still VA. I wonder where you got this horrid assumption that VA's are high paying? VA's in America are actually usually paid MORE per job than JP ones. It's just that in Japan VA'ing has many more requirements. Most VA's have to had professional training/schooling in VA'ing, where as America there is no real standard. VA's would exist without over dubs... because... there are domestic jobs. So what you said is completely false.
QuoteAnd of course studios in Japan get money when the US industry buys from them. (It's the same as if I bought a crate of apples from you. Oh look, you got money.) Sadly that didn't have anything to do with what I said. You incorporated an irrelevant topic into the real one to create a fake argument (in logic circles this is known as the straw man argument).
And most companies in the US make their money from dubbed works, not subtitled works. How is this irrelevant at all? JP companies WANT US COMPANIES TO BUY LICENSES. US companies make most of their money from dubbed works. If US companies don't make money, they cannot buy licenses, which means the JP companies don't make as much money, which lowers their quality and capabilities. Hi, welcome to basic economics.
QuoteThis had nothing to do with the economy. You're just saying that the economy will falter when the USA subtitles anime instead. That's a large stretch of an assumption, yet again. You seem pretty sure about what you said. What economy are you talking about? The USA? Japan? World economy?
Both economies. The economics of the anime industry in the US highly revolves around dubbed series.
Look, in general, I hate dubs. I think 99% of them are utter crap, but I'm not talking about quality here, I'm speaking purely business. I'm speaking purely on what sells, why it sells, and how it affects everything else. I'm deathly curious why you think it's different than what I said. Besides the fact that I know people that work at a lot of different anime companies, both here and in Japan... I do follow how things work and where they are currently. This is actually a subject piece I discuss with people in the industry every so often as I'm interested in marketing.
So seriously, where did you pull that dubs are unimportant in this market?
QuoteLet me get this straight.
1. Japanese dubs for their anime are good.
2. English dubs for Japanese anime generally suck.
3. Therefore, I like Japanese dubs and hate English dubs.
4. As a result, I recommend others to try Japanese dubs. I also suggest that the US subtitle Japanese anime instead.
- and none of your "elitist" assumptions.
1. You should learn how to use words correctly. "Dub" in this sentence uses a different definition than you do in line two and three. "Dub" is used to mean a voice over in a different language than the original. An voice over *DIFFERENT THAN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE". Terminator is an English movie. The Japanese dub changes the voice audio to a JP track. Evangelion is a JAPANESE animated series... the American DUB changes the vocal track to an ENGLISH track.
JP dubs... aren't always good. I actually enjoy watching JP dubs of English movies and listening to how bad they are as well. It's just like watching poorly dubbed JP movies.
2. Generally they are, but realistically, it's still preference.
3. Good for you, you are still a minority.
4 (auto-correct) You recommend people watch anime with the original Japanese dialogue over English dubs. You realize the vast majority of anime that is released domestically comes with the original JP dialogue and subtitles... right? There are actually VERY FEW exceptions to this.
Once more, your post is nothing more than elitism. You once more state that you are better because you prefer subtitled over dub. You act as if people that don't agree with this are stupid.
I'll let you know straight out, and I know pretty much anyone that knows the industry will agree with me on this. Anime in the US would never have come close to this size had it not been for dubs. Half the people that do fansubs, started anime from watching dubs. I started watching anime in... 86, and it started with Robotech, Voltron, Speed Racer and other dubbed series. Most fans today got into anime because of things like Toonami, Adult Swim, and the such showing dubs of Gundam, Naruto, and Dragon Ball.
Dubs are how the majority of people start, and they are where companies make the majority of their business.
You prefer subs, good for you, so do I... but dubs need to exist for the market to continue growing, and they are the core of this market.
[not quoting your post since it is too long]
Holy shoot...how much time did you take to write all that? O_o
I'll keep it short for your sake:
1. Not everyone makes lots of money at crunchyroll. People at the bottom get minimum wage, while the top get rich. It's how all companies work. Also, you once again assume that English dubs fare better than subs. While you may sound reasonable, a market for subtitled anime hasn't even been fully tried yet. Fit the market? (You're hitting so many logical fallacies here.) It's the market that I'm suggesting to change, not one of a lower hierarchy that should "fit the market".
2.
QuoteYour first post clearly states you did not want them to exist at all.
(Sorry, I had to quote this.) Please read my first post again, this time with no bias or assumptions. Looking at my post with your bias, I see that you interpret "don't want anime to be brought into the USA" as "I don't want them to exist". Think again. (This time it's a basic logical fallacy.) You're saying that "don't want" means "want not", i.e. "I don't want coffee" means "I want coffee to not exist".
3. There are things called
quote mining and
narrow-mindedness. When did I say that voice acting was the only thing that Japanese voice actors do? Anyone who has any clue to this area knows that voice actors are also often pop idols. Idols in Japan take class where they are taught to dance, sing, and/or voice act (depending on the class. They are also taught to be "cute".) Of course, not every idol can be popular, just like not every singer can take the top charts. And no, American VAs don't get paid "MORE" than Japanese ones. (Why are you bringing up a subject that can be tossed around like this anyways?) Oh, and you just pulled in the "domestic jobs" irrelevant topic to create yet another straw man fallacy.
4. And once again you assume that dubbed works would fare better than subtitled ones.
5. What's the point of looking at the present when I suggested change for the future? And when did I say that dubs were unimportant?
6. Okay, so I didn't use the word "dub" correctly. So? Did you get what I meant? (I think you did.)
7. Here's an idea. I'll give two suggestions. One: the USA subtitles anime. Or two:
they make better dubs. Aren't you happy? It'll still be dubbed!
QuoteOnce more, your post is nothing more than elitism. You once more state that you are better because you prefer subtitled over dub. You act as if people that don't agree with this are stupid.
Lastly, for personal attacks that express a categorization of the opposition, there is always an identical counterattack. For this instance, it is:
QuoteOnce more, your post is nothing more than dub-ism. You once more state that you are better because you prefer dub over subtitled. You act as if people that don't agree with this are stupid.
Unfortunately, countering all of the assumptions in this one sentence also destroys your previous one. (I noticed that you didn't try to attack my accusations of your assumptions. I usually get a lot of stupid attempts at that.)
If you want to keep arguing, PM me instead. This is ruining the thread. Oh, and [the following is a personal attack] I'm honestly astonished at how you, a 30+ year-old, can be like this. Stop flaming others. I had no negativity in my first post, but you came in and almost trolled the thread.
Joshua
Quote from: Joshua on June 01, 2009, 03:43:29 PM
[not quoting your post since it is too long]
Holy shoot...how much time did you take to write all that? O_o
About 7 minutes.
QuoteI'll keep it short for your sake:
1. Not everyone makes lots of money at crunchyroll. People at the bottom get minimum wage, while the top get rich. It's how all companies work. Also, you once again assume that English dubs fare better than subs. While you may sound reasonable, a market for subtitled anime hasn't even been fully tried yet. Fit the market? (You're hitting so many logical fallacies here.) It's the market that I'm suggesting to change, not one of a lower hierarchy that should "fit the market".
Please show me numbers as to how much crunchyroll is making as a company. I mean fiscal numbers, not how much random employees get paid. It's funny because everything you accuse me of, you are doing yourself. Yes, subs are out on the market. They have been sinc the early 90's. I have subtitled VHS tapes at my old house in the garage. Basically every single anime release in todays market ALSO comes with subtitled versions... how does that mean "subtitled anime hasn't been fully tried yet". Subtitles do sell... but the dubs is what is causing people to buy things. You suggest companies change the market. To take a HUGE risk, and completely stop dubbing stuff, which is basically how most companies are making money. To force the general public to accept subtitles. You do realize this is really bad to do in marketing right? You're limiting your audience. You're telling everyone that prefers subs that the company doesn't care about them which will cause them to stop watching all together.
Quote2. QuoteYour first post clearly states you did not want them to exist at all.
(Sorry, I had to quote this.) Please read my first post again, this time with no bias or assumptions. Looking at my post with your bias, I see that you interpret "don't want anime to be brought into the USA" as "I don't want them to exist". Think again. (This time it's a basic logical fallacy.) You're saying that "don't want" means "want not", i.e. "I don't want coffee" means "I want coffee to not exist".
I LOVE idiot kids like you. I really do. They think because they can quote a few terms from arguing and debate that they are right no matter what they say. You don't even use the terminology correctly. But that's besides the point.
"Don't want anime to be brought into the USA" is the same thing as stating "Don't want them to exist". You see, the key is context. In terms of "I don't want coffee" you are speaking the physical object in your possession at the moment. However when you say "don't want brought to the US" you are speaking in terms of the entire market as a whole. If they are not brought to the US, there cannot be dubs. Seriously... you're 15... and you're going to argue logic chains with someone who is a decade older than you and has been doing things like this since before you were born. A logical fallacy is an assumption that because A = B and A = C that B = C. What I presented was not a logical fallacy because in the situation it applies. If B exists only because of A and you remove A, B cannot exist. That is what I stated.
If anime is not brought to America, there cannot be US dubs of the anime. This is logical truth.
Quote3. There is something called "quote mining" and "narrow-mindedness". When did I say that voice acting was the only thing that Japanese voice actors do? Anyone who has any clue to this area knows that voice actors are also often pop idols. Idols in Japan take class where they are taught to dance, sing, and/or voice act (depending on the class. They are also taught to be "cute".) Of course, not every idol can the popular, just like not every singer can take the top charts. And no, American VAs don't get paid "MORE" than Japanese ones. (Why are you bringing up a subject that can be tossed around like this anyways?) Oh, and you just pulled in the "domestic jobs" irrelevant topic to create yet another straw man fallacy.
Oh yay, more terms. Straw man. Straw man isn't a fallacy btw, it's a tactic. A strawman tactic is when someone takes something that is unimportant to the overall, but uses that as a focal point to prove someone else wrong, dragging the conversation away from the main point. Quote mining is to selectively quote things and ignore the rest, I didn't do this either. However, you do it in your reply here. You also perform a strawman argument as well. Domestic jobs do matter, because it's a comparison of the state.
Guess what kid... I've done localization work. I worked with a lot of famous American VA's. I've directed them for a few projects... and I know how much they get paid. I also know plenty of people in the Anime industry in Japan, and I also know relatively how much they get paid. Why do you think American VA's don't get paid more? What are you basing ANYTHING YOU SAY on. Most VA's aren't also often pop idols, VERY FEW of them are realistically... I don't like using terms, because most people misuse them like you do, so I will spell it out.
EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING IS BASED ON FALSE ASSUMPTIONS YOU HAVE ON AN INDUSTRY YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT.
I'm almost tempted to ask friends in the industry to make an account just to post how you don't know anything. My friend that works at crunchy roll funnily enough used to be fanime staff.
Quote4. And once again you assume that subtitled works would fare better than dubbed ones.
I don't assume... I know for a fact that they do. Have you ever read press releases or actually talked to marketing agents in companies? I have.
[/quote]5. What's the point of looking at the present when I suggested change for the future? And when did I say that dubs were unimportant?[/quote]
Change for the future? Based on what? Your preference? No one gives a damn about *your* preference, they care about the market as a whole. They care about how the company makes money, so they can make money. I think they're smart releasing dubs... WITH ORIGINAL TRACKS AND SUBTITLES... instead of your ingenius(see: retarded) idea of not having dubs. By not having dubs, they save money by not having to hire VA's... but seeing that the price they pay for VA's is not that much comparatively to what they make in sales for a dub...
Quote6. Okay, so I didn't use the word "dub" correctly. So? Did you get what I meant? (I think you did.)
Yes, and you're still an idiot.
Quote7. Here's an idea. I'll give two suggestions. One: the USA subtitles anime. Or two: they make better dubs. Aren't you happy? It'll still be dubbed!
The us already subtitles anime... they have since before you were born. So you're suggesting something they've been doing for over 2 decades now. Good job.
QuoteOnce more, your post is nothing more than elitism. You once more state that you are better because you prefer subtitled over dub. You act as if people that don't agree with this are stupid.
Lastly, for personal attacks that express a categorization of the opposition, there is always an identical counterattack. For this instance, it is:
QuoteOnce more, your post is nothing more than dub-ism. You once more state that you are better because you prefer dub over subtitled. You act as if people that don't agree with this are stupid.
Unfortunately, countering all of the assumptions in this one sentence also destroys your previous one. (I noticed that you didn't try to attack my accusations of your assumptions. I usually get a lot of stupid attempts at that.)
If you want to keep arguing, PM me instead. This is ruining the thread. Oh, and [the following is a personal attack] I'm honestly astonished at how you, a 30+ year-old, can be like this. Stop flaming others. I had no negativity in my first post, but you came in and almost trolled the thread.
Joshua
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30+? Since when was I'm 30+? You had no negativity BLATANT in your first post, but it was still very negative and condescending. You also post like you're some intelligent being that knows not only how the market works, how companies work, and how much everyone gets paid but have yet to show any actual proof of knowledge(nor any actual logically realistic ideas). Am I flaming you? Hardly, I'm calling out your bull shit... and much like every child your age, you fight back despite knowing that you don't know as much as the person you're arguing against. So instead you try to argue by acting "better" or "more sophisticated" only it doesn't work, because once more you fall short in that aspect again.
Why did you even put the retort of "prefer dub over sub" when I've said multiple times that I said I prefer subtitles... how does that even make any god damned sense? You remind me of this character from the Disney Channel show Wizards of Waverly Place. "I'll show you a..." Because that's basically what you're doing.
If you want to say something blatantly stupid, you are free to do so, but don't get all butt hurt when someone like me tells you you're wrong. Then by acting as if you're higher(despite being a hypocrite in virtually every single way you've accused me of) you only further push what kind of person you are. However, you'll fit nicely on this forum, there's tons of idiots just like you that think they are better people than I am, because they aren't "mean" to other stupid people when they're being stupid.
Before you attempt to state that my argument is a strawman again, or that I'm resorting to personal insults, I am doing neither. If I was "resorting" to personal insults, than I wouldn't have posted how you are incorrect about everything else you posted. Even big time VA's of today have admitted then VA'ing is incredibly hard, especially when you start out. That most of them *HAD* to take second jobs.
How fitting that the comment... 10 years too early really fits this.
Wait... I just came to a realization as to why you're making these horrid assumptions. You've never bought a legitimate DVD or VHS tape before have you? All you do is pirate crap on the internet, and assume the entire market in the US is what they show on Adult Swim, Sci-Fi and whatever other channels they show anime. You have never bought a DVD put it in, went to the options menu and saw that there are options for Japanese dialogue, and subtitles.
So considering that all you do is pirate everything anyways... WHY THE HELL DOES YOUR OPINION EVEN MEAN ANYTHING?
Quote from: PyronIkariYou prefer subs, good for you, so do I... but dubs need to exist for the market to continue growing, and they are the core of this market.
lol! Dub's are like a gateway drug!
I don't mind if a title is bilingual, with subtitles or closed captions, but my problem with dub's are that many edit the content, change the music, or even the original aspect the show / movie was done in (...are you reading this Viz and Funimation?)
But yeah. The companies that license the titles are in it to make money thou. And if they didn't they'd go belly up.
Some cents I'd like to add, since voice actors are now involved wwww:
- VA WORK IS NOT GLAMOROUS. AT ALL. PERIOD. Heck, neither is being an idol. The ONLY thing is Hollywood. Some of the top seiyuu idols in the business today still blog from their apartment or their parent's house. I guess just because people appear on TV & magazines and release albums/DVDs means they're living the sweet life or sumshit? HAHAHAHA. Derp.
- "Make better dubs"? I'd like to hear your definition of what's considered "good" or "bad". Do you have any acting experience? Anti-localization BS is just something a weeaboo purist would believe in. Hey, if anime is only subtitled, maybe we should just not localize anything altogether! Pokemon games? Screw English, Japanese text all over the packaging! Maybe even typeset english over it like scanlations. wwwwwwww
Anyway, if anime fans STOP BEING HUGE PIRATES and support the industry by purchasing DVDs, subscribing to anime channels (online or on cable), and buying legal, legit media, THEN they can afford to hire "better" VA's to do the work. Most of the North American VA's that dub anime are 3rd-rate actors living check by check. Ever heard the winners from the Voicey awards (http://www.voiceyawards.com/)? A LOT better than what you hear in your straight-to-DVD anime release voice-overs. (There are a lot of Candians too. Go figure.)
I don't really watch anime these days since I probably won't buy them in the end. Simple as that. (And those that I enjoyed, I have happily purchased with money I saved up.)
- Listening comes before reading for human development. So does that mean my 5-year old cousin should not be able to watch Pokemon and should be forced to read subtitles that appear way faster than normal reading speed at their age? The companies' target audience would not even enjoy watching the show because there's too much damn text to read!
If you love anime in it's "purest form" so much, just buy the R2 dvds. Only 2 eps per $60 DVD or so, but hey, that's what Japanese fans have to do.
O hay, about the thread. I want Yotsuba& to be animooted first, and then brought to the states. :'D
Joshua, if there's anyone who is flaming now, it's you. PyronIkari was criticizing your initial post, and correcting things in a blunt manner, there's no rules against that. I'm also fairly certain PyronIkari knows more of the anime industry than you do. If you're trying to act innocent, don't reply to one of his posts with a flame back, it totally doesn't make ANY SENSE at all, it just creates more of a mess.
Quote from: PyronIkari on June 01, 2009, 04:10:05 PM
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So considering that all you do is pirate everything anyways... WHY THE HELL DOES YOUR OPINION EVEN MEAN ANYTHING?
This will be my final post.
I told you to PM me instead, but you still went on, so I assume you don't know what PM is. (That's OK, I'll just write here. The thread got ruined tho.)
How can you not realize how many obvious personal attacks you have made on me? Please, I did not call you names, and I did nothing to try to degrade your reputation. All I attacked were your arguments. Yet you insist on calling me an idiot, stupid, or whatever empty adjective to try to feel higher than you really are. (This time you checked how old I am. And you predictably did a personal attack on age. Age doesn't matter, only the argument.) In contrast, I don't do that. In fact, calling people stupid hurts me more than it hurts them. I'll ignore your remarks for now.
EDIT: I should explain how I got your age to be 30+.
QuoteI started watching anime in... 86, and it started with Robotech, Voltron, Speed Racer and other dubbed series.
Since you started watching in 1986, you would have to be at least 30 years old if you started watching when you were 7 years old.
Maybe my English isn't very good, but I interpreted the expression "bring anime to the US" as dubbing anime in English. So although your argument is correct, so was mine. Sorry for the confusion!
Well, a straw man argument is actually a logical fallacy. It's also a tactic used for debating unwitting opponents. So it's actually both. The two terms don't go head to head.
QuoteChange for the future? Based on what? Your preference? No one gives a damn about *your* preference, they care about the market as a whole.
Woooowww. My preference is my preference. Not everyone has to agree to it, but it's still my preference. This whole argument is based on MY PREFERENCE, not the MARKET'S PREFERENCE. Got it? Now if you don't like my preference (of course), then don't like them.
And the whole VA thing was about popular VA. I told you about how there are lower and higher salaries for different people for the same job.
umm...what? You're putting DVDs into the picture where we were talking about broadcasted anime. Those DON'T HAVE SUBS. The DVDs do. Those don't. Stop finding the exceptions to everything.
It was pretty painful to read through your post here. I wish people could stay cool while arguing; please count how many insults you have made.
And to the mods, I'll stop. Thanks for your opinion, but I don't really agree.
Joshua
I predict a long reply will follow this post.
Anime isn't exactly a new phenomenon in the US.
Anime dubbed into English has had limited success at the national level (Sci-Fi channel + Adult Swim + that's about all that matters).
Anime subtitled has had much less success at the national level (occasional one-offs at the Independent Film Channel, or the rare Miyazaki block on TCM).
I think the market has spoken on what it wants.
Yes, it's fine to be an elitist and enjoy Japanese TV shows in their rawest and purest form, which no editing or adaptations to fit a US audience. But then anime will just be a tiny niche thing that 99% of people won't care about.
If you want anime culture in the US to be more than a niche, then you will need to concede the role of dubs (and the overall concept of "adaptation") in building that audience.
I want a pony.
Alright folks settle down and enough with the arguements and get back on topic...
The anime that would like to be brought to US has gotta be Eyeshield 21 or Nogizaka Haruka no Himitsu aka Haruka Nogizaka's Secret. Or better have Guardian Hearts instead.
Quote from: Haruka on May 09, 2009, 11:39:16 PM
Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei. It's very strange.
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THIS.
Quote from: DentyneIce408 on June 02, 2009, 02:43:41 AM
The anime that would like to be brought to US has gotta be Eyeshield 21 or Nogizaka Haruka no Himitsu aka Haruka Nogizaka's Secret. Or better have Guardian Hearts instead.
Eyeshield was brought here and dubbed, it used to be on Toonami Jet Stream, a site where you could watch things like Prince of Tennis and MAR I believe, dubbed of course. I don't know whatever happened to it though. Or if that site still even exists.
I didnt realize eyeshield 21 was dubbed already, thanks for the heads up!
*sigh* I wish Toonami would mostly play anime again, what were they thinking? Oh well, at least Microsoft is smart to sell anime episodes on Xbox Live. But I do wish they gave an option to choose between dubbed and subbed anime.
Quote from: sysadmin on June 02, 2009, 12:50:25 AM
Anime isn't exactly a new phenomenon in the US.
Anime dubbed into English has had limited success at the national level (Sci-Fi channel + Adult Swim + that's about all that matters).
Anime subtitled has had much less success at the national level (occasional one-offs at the Independent Film Channel, or the rare Miyazaki block on TCM).
I think the market has spoken on what it wants.
Yes, it's fine to be an elitist and enjoy Japanese TV shows in their rawest and purest form, which no editing or adaptations to fit a US audience. But then anime will just be a tiny niche thing that 99% of people won't care about.
If you want anime culture in the US to be more than a niche, then you will need to concede the role of dubs (and the overall concept of "adaptation") in building that audience.
I want a pony.
Remember the good old days when PBS showed anime in subtitles? Yep... those days were awesome..*sigh*
Quote from: LordKefka on June 02, 2009, 05:39:12 PM
Remember the good old days when PBS showed anime in subtitles? Yep... those days were awesome..*sigh*
Whaaaaaa?!? When did that happen?
I distinctly remember KTEH in the late 90s/early 00s. The clubs would man the phones during their pledge drives. Robotech and Evangelion were my favorites, and I think Key the Metal Idol was a big one for the station. They may have even played some classics like Project A-Ko and Urusei Yatsura.
Quote from: Tony on June 02, 2009, 08:51:56 PM
I distinctly remember KTEH in the late 90s/early 00s. The clubs would man the phones during their pledge drives. Robotech and Evangelion were my favorites, and I think Key the Metal Idol was a big one for the station. They may have even played some classics like Project A-Ko and Urusei Yatsura.
Hah,
They showed City Hunter, Dirty Pair Flash, and Nuku Nuku OVA as well.
I remember watching Lain at 10:30PM every Sunday night. Too bad no one pledged and it died slowly and painfully =(
All I get in L.A. is some subtitled Anime on NHK America Either at 10:30 P.M. (and some on Sunday morning). PBS down here hasn't shown anything from Japan.
That's why San Jose PBS was awesome =P
Here were some of the things they had:
City Hunter ( a few episodes)
Lain
Evangelion
Macross
Nuku Nuku OVA
Generator Gawl ( a few episodes)
BGC: OVA ( my favorite show)
Add in whatever I'm missing.
I only caught on in 2000 after they've aired Evangelion once already.
Ah, KTEH. What ever happened to ya?
On topic: Uh..........
Quote from: Haruka on May 09, 2009, 11:39:16 PM
Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei. It's very strange.
Agreed.
Quote from: LordKefka on June 02, 2009, 10:21:35 PM
That's why San Jose PBS was awesome =P
Here were some of the things they had:
City Hunter ( a few episodes)
Lain
Evangelion
Macross
Nuku Nuku OVA
Generator Gawl ( a few episodes)
BGC: OVA ( my favorite show)
Add in whatever I'm missing.
I only caught on in 2000 after they've aired Evangelion once already.
I remember watching Serial Experiment Lain, Evangelion and a werid anime that had a flying baby and a jungle women who was in love with this guy. I don't remember the name.
I never knew San Jose PBS had City Hunter on. Was I around when this happened or was I still unborn?
Kaiketsu Zorro
The rest of Saint Seiya
The rest of Fist of the North Star
Shulato
Rose of Versailles
and last, but certainly not least, Legend of Galactic Heroes.
I'm pretty damn old-school for an 18 year old.
i want umineko no naku koro ni
Quote from: raven-die on June 29, 2009, 08:30:08 PM
i want umineko no naku koro ni
Ya, but it's being released this summer in japan. So I guess we'll havta wait and see. XD
But Umineko is definetly on my list, too. X3
Maybe, Axis Powers Hetalia. But it wouldn't be right dubbed. I'm really not sure asie from that.
Right now....
EyeShield 21, Devil dose exist and DMC.
For most of them the manga is out in the states but not the anime's or the live action shows.