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Title: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Liquid on January 14, 2010, 11:43:34 PM
Anyone else looking forward to this game come March? Holy crap, I sure as hell am....

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/international-trailer-final-fantasy/60730 (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/international-trailer-final-fantasy/60730)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: MikoChika on January 15, 2010, 12:21:16 AM
I sure am as well! i've already preordered it. Now it's just a waiting game.. Gah! the trailers look so pretty. I sure hope the story's good, and I hope the battle system is desent as well.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: LordKefka on January 15, 2010, 12:34:54 AM
I'm getting it but I haven't enjoyed a FF to the fullest since FFIX back in 2000..
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Liquid on January 15, 2010, 11:56:44 AM
I never really gave FFIX a chance. However, I absolutely loved FFXII.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: PyronIkari on January 15, 2010, 12:01:28 PM
Anyone else looking forward to this game come March? Holy crap, I sure as hell am....

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/international-trailer-final-fantasy/60730 (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/international-trailer-final-fantasy/60730)
Crappy game is crappy.

Let's go through the major problems first. The most common being that the first 80% of the game is a straight line. Dungeons included, you have no free will for 20-30 hours of the game. You move forward, and press circle (or X in America) when prompted to. There is no exploration, no towns, no world, and even the dungeons are a singular path. There are no shops, aor people to talk to at all. Everything is auto prompted. When you finally get to do some exploration, it's incredibly limited to mostly NOTHINGNES. Sure you can look around other areas, but there's nothing there 99% of the time, and the things that are there, are things you can't do until you HAVE to go there later anyways.

The story is crap. The majority of the story is the sister whining about wanting to be with the other, and not even angsty whining. Just whining. THere's no depth to any of the characters, and there's no background to any of the characters. It's just shit happening and you're doing those things, because you're told to in the game with no real drive or emotion coming from anyone. If you thought FFXII was lacking story, FFXIII makes FFXII look like a grand novel adventure.

Controls are horrible for the most part. Everything that looks fun, where you'd like good controls are limited to "press up and press X when prompted". While stuff that has nothing to do you're given full control and angles, and the ability to do all this stuff, only... it's useless because it's a straight line anyways.

The only compliment this game seems to get is that the battle system is fun to mess around with... but olny after you're done with the majority of the game and CAN do things to mess around with. But at the same time, it becomes stupid, because now you can just do infite juggles and such insane crap that the game no longer has any adventure/fun to it. Sure you are doing more than FFXII where you just put the controller down for the most part, but since the rest of the game is so bad, the fighting barely makes up for it.

Out of the some odd 50 people I've talked to who have beaten this game... 1 has said it was worth getting. And even he said "it's worth getting, but it's not that great. It's got a fun battle system and the game isn't REALLY bad, but it's not good". The others mostly said, it's not even worth playing, let alone buying.

So I *WAS* looking forward to it... 2 years ago. Now that it's out, and everyone I know that has played it have told me not to, even huge ff fanboys/girls... it's not.

FFXIII is called the worst FF by not a small margin by the majority of the people. So I will not be getting it, and at best, will borrow it from someone if I get really bored.

But just so you know, I did play the game a bit, and I was more then disappointed with what I played.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Knightfire on January 16, 2010, 05:25:44 PM
I'll be getting it. Sure it may be linear, but FF X was linear too and that was still a good game. I'm expecting it to be at worst a ho hum experience like XII was, which I still did enjoy somewhat.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Mantaray3000 on January 17, 2010, 07:52:19 PM
Who cares if the game is linear isn't that what a non-MMORPG is supposed to be about? The same goes for action adventure titles like Uncharted 2 or Devil May Cry. IMHO,FFXII wasn't very memorable nevertheless, it had its own merits such as not having random battle encounters as well as not having a cliche story about saving the world from some ultimate evil.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: PyronIkari on January 17, 2010, 09:55:57 PM
Who cares if the game is linear isn't that what a non-MMORPG is supposed to be about? The same goes for action adventure titles like Uncharted 2 or Devil May Cry. IMHO,FFXII wasn't very memorable nevertheless, it had its own merits such as not having random battle encounters as well as not having a cliche story about saving the world from some ultimate evil.

Uh... no, non-mmorpg's are supposed to NOT be like that. Action games like Uncharted and Devil May Cry are NOT RPG's.

Look at it like this. Would you enjoy Zelda, if there was no world. If the dungeons were a straight line, and you didn't have to look for hearts, or anything like that?

You guys seem to not understand what "linear" means. We're not talking about the story... we're talking about the games. Normally dungeons  in RPG's have different routes, dead ends, treasure chests to look for, and different paths that lead different places. Now imagine... that instead it's a LINE... and then that line curves to the left... then it curves to the right... then you turn right... and that's the end.

Now imagine, there are no towns, but a straight path you have to run. And there is no one to talk to. Then there's a mountain... with a path, that you run straight on, that curves, and you see another path to the right, but you're not allowed on that path because there's something blocking it so you keep running straight. Then there's a hole you jump over... and that's it.


THIS IS HOW FFXIII IS. It's like a vertical shooter. You go straight. That's it. It isn't a linear story, it's a linear game. A linear game with bad controls, a horrible story, and an overall horrible game. There's some pluses to it, and what not, but the game seriously is really bad. I haven't felt this way about an RPG since... ... ... Beyond the Beyond.

But FFXIII will sell incredibly well anyways, and everyone will love it, because it's FINAL FANTASY.

But just as a note, even Japan as a collective thinks FFXIII is crap.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Mizuki on January 17, 2010, 10:36:21 PM
I just remembering some 2ch posts talking about this game and how bad it is.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Mantaray3000 on January 18, 2010, 12:26:21 PM
I don't see why a linear game is so bad, yes normally RPGs do have different routes, dead ends, treasure chests to look for, and different paths that lead different places. But lately many people have seem to complain how all RPGs (not incuding MMOs) follow this formula so I don't see why its so bad to try a new approach and create a different experience for new and veteran gamers. And since the world is so vast in this game its not a good idea to have it completely open or else players will want to explore everything which takes up time not to mention makes them lose sight of the story. As for the story being "horrible" what Final Fantasy game has not been subjected to that? That goes the same for movies. Again it goes back to personal taste, what someone might think its bad another will see it as good. The only reason why I see people thinking FFXIII sucks is because they expected to be blown away by the plot plus they don't like changes to something they're used to. If so many people think this is such a bad thing then atleast Square Enix will know not to follow this path again.

On a side note: I never said Devil May Cry and Uncharted 2 were RPGs they are action adventure titles which is another seperate genre. And why haven't you responded to my PMs Pyron?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: LordKefka on January 18, 2010, 12:42:00 PM
So.... what's good about FF XIII then? It seemed pretty easy for you to list the fun factors of "normal" RPGs instead of this game lol...

Speaking of which, I wonder when Golden Sun 3 will come out... :V
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Jun-Watarase on January 18, 2010, 02:28:12 PM
I just remembering some 2ch posts talking about this game and how bad it is.

Some posts'll actually make fun of overseas fans saying that we'll eat it up, regardless of how bad it is, because it's "Final Fantasy". The title's so huge that it'll succeed, even if it fails. If anyone's really interested in just the story, someone should just put together all the animated cut-scenes, since from what I've seen, that's what most of the game is. :[
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: PyronIkari on January 18, 2010, 02:31:37 PM
I don't see why a linear game is so bad, yes normally RPGs do have different routes, dead ends, treasure chests to look for, and different paths that lead different places. But lately many people have seem to complain how all RPGs (not incuding MMOs) follow this formula so I don't see why its so bad to try a new approach and create a different experience for new and veteran gamers. And since the world is so vast in this game its not a good idea to have it completely open or else players will want to explore everything which takes up time not to mention makes them lose sight of the story. As for the story being "horrible" what Final Fantasy game has not been subjected to that? That goes the same for movies. Again it goes back to personal taste, what someone might think its bad another will see it as good. The only reason why I see people thinking FFXIII sucks is because they expected to be blown away by the plot plus they don't like changes to something they're used to. If so many people think this is such a bad thing then atleast Square Enix will know not to follow this path again.

On a side note: I never said Devil May Cry and Uncharted 2 were RPGs they are action adventure titles which is another seperate genre. And why haven't you responded to my PMs Pyron?

Because I don't want to PM you because you seemed to miss the point of my earlier PMs.

As for what's horrible? The fact that it's not a game of its genre. If an adventure game got rid of those things, it would suck. They've eliminated everything that makes an RPG fun, and didn't compensate with anything. What's bad about it? Everything. I've played it, you're basing it off theory. The game literally feels like you're holding up, and mashing X (or O in my case). You walk up a straight line, it activates a scene or battle, you complete that, you reach an "action" sequence where you press X to do whatever you need, you repeat. You're running straight to the next place, and repeating. You're playing a movie more than you are a game. Because there's no free will, there's no exploration, there's no creativity. This would be forgivable in a small sense, if the movie had a good story. But it doesn't.

So really, what does the game have to offer? It's boring, it's linear, and the story sucks. As an RPG, it's not an RPG, there's very little to no development, there's horrible character interaction, and seemingly very little actually happens.

LordKefka: The positives? It does have a fun battle system when you get far enough to do stuff. But that in itself makes it boring. The battle system allows you to obliterate enemies. Infinite juggles and the such. But this leads to a different problem as well. Attacking is the only thing useful. Magic, skills, etc... all useless when attacking does more damage, takes less time, and leaves you less vulnerable.

Something was said by Gunter in #capcom over ten years ago and it applies so well with FFXIII. "Xmen Vs SF is a great game... one of the best puzzle games I've ever played". His meaning in this was that, the game isn't a good fighting game, but as a puzzle of trying to find out combos and physics to do things. Making insane combos that look awesome, instead of competing is what makes that game good. Much in that vein, FFXIII battles are all about creating combos and insane things, more than it is enjoyable and challenging.

The unengaging story and boring characters, the boring transition from A->B where I don't even get to do anything except run straight, and run into fights (most of which are forced, though you can avoid some fights). The inability to runaway from fights when weak enemies attack me, and I don't want to waste my time hitting attack x10 to kill them. Not being able to look forward to getting to the next town to explore, by equipment, and try out the new stuff(I literally never used the save point store, because there was no reason to. Besides stuff being retardedly expensive, you never bought anything needed. Weapons you got via the dungeons and drops were always better, and it's not like you ever missed any of them, because you really had to be stupid to miss stuff that you couldn't not see).

You can say you will try it out and form your own opinion, but it's really arrogant of you to claim that it's a "good game", especially before playing it. It's also not like I'm in the minority about this. The large majority of people dislike the game and with good reason.

You know, Squeenix said that FFXIII is going to be the last game of the "FF Formula" right? They're selling the rights to squeenix USA most likely. They're going to try and take a new direction and not do FF's anymore..
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: LordKefka on January 18, 2010, 02:47:28 PM
The battle system sounds ok from that I guess but I honestly would trade "cool looking" GC and a wild battle system for a good story and character developments any day.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Mantaray3000 on January 18, 2010, 03:17:44 PM
I don't see why a linear game is so bad, yes normally RPGs do have different routes, dead ends, treasure chests to look for, and different paths that lead different places. But lately many people have seem to complain how all RPGs (not incuding MMOs) follow this formula so I don't see why its so bad to try a new approach and create a different experience for new and veteran gamers. And since the world is so vast in this game its not a good idea to have it completely open or else players will want to explore everything which takes up time not to mention makes them lose sight of the story. As for the story being "horrible" what Final Fantasy game has not been subjected to that? That goes the same for movies. Again it goes back to personal taste, what someone might think its bad another will see it as good. The only reason why I see people thinking FFXIII sucks is because they expected to be blown away by the plot plus they don't like changes to something they're used to. If so many people think this is such a bad thing then atleast Square Enix will know not to follow this path again.

On a side note: I never said Devil May Cry and Uncharted 2 were RPGs they are action adventure titles which is another seperate genre. And why haven't you responded to my PMs Pyron?

Because I don't want to PM you because you seemed to miss the point of my earlier PMs.

As for what's horrible? The fact that it's not a game of its genre. If an adventure game got rid of those things, it would suck. They've eliminated everything that makes an RPG fun, and didn't compensate with anything. What's bad about it? Everything. I've played it, you're basing it off theory. The game literally feels like you're holding up, and mashing X (or O in my case). You walk up a straight line, it activates a scene or battle, you complete that, you reach an "action" sequence where you press X to do whatever you need, you repeat. You're running straight to the next place, and repeating. You're playing a movie more than you are a game. Because there's no free will, there's no exploration, there's no creativity. This would be forgivable in a small sense, if the movie had a good story. But it doesn't.

So really, what does the game have to offer? It's boring, it's linear, and the story sucks. As an RPG, it's not an RPG, there's very little to no development, there's horrible character interaction, and seemingly very little actually happens.

LordKefka: The positives? It does have a fun battle system when you get far enough to do stuff. But that in itself makes it boring. The battle system allows you to obliterate enemies. Infinite juggles and the such. But this leads to a different problem as well. Attacking is the only thing useful. Magic, skills, etc... all useless when attacking does more damage, takes less time, and leaves you less vulnerable.

Something was said by Gunter in #capcom over ten years ago and it applies so well with FFXIII. "Xmen Vs SF is a great game... one of the best puzzle games I've ever played". His meaning in this was that, the game isn't a good fighting game, but as a puzzle of trying to find out combos and physics to do things. Making insane combos that look awesome, instead of competing is what makes that game good. Much in that vein, FFXIII battles are all about creating combos and insane things, more than it is enjoyable and challenging.

The unengaging story and boring characters, the boring transition from A->B where I don't even get to do anything except run straight, and run into fights (most of which are forced, though you can avoid some fights). The inability to runaway from fights when weak enemies attack me, and I don't want to waste my time hitting attack x10 to kill them. Not being able to look forward to getting to the next town to explore, by equipment, and try out the new stuff(I literally never used the save point store, because there was no reason to. Besides stuff being retardedly expensive, you never bought anything needed. Weapons you got via the dungeons and drops were always better, and it's not like you ever missed any of them, because you really had to be stupid to miss stuff that you couldn't not see).

You can say you will try it out and form your own opinion, but it's really arrogant of you to claim that it's a "good game", especially before playing it. It's also not like I'm in the minority about this. The large majority of people dislike the game and with good reason.

You know, Squeenix said that FFXIII is going to be the last game of the "FF Formula" right? They're selling the rights to squeenix USA most likely. They're going to try and take a new direction and not do FF's anymore..

When did I said it was a good game? All I said was; what someone might think its bad another might see it as good. That doesn't mean I think its a good game.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Knightfire on January 18, 2010, 08:37:43 PM

You know, Squeenix said that FFXIII is going to be the last game of the "FF Formula" right? They're selling the rights to squeenix USA most likely. They're going to try and take a new direction and not do FF's anymore..

I would like some sort of source to that bit of info, because that's news to me.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Dagger-6 on January 18, 2010, 09:31:15 PM
What a shame.  I was thinking about making this the first FF game I bought since it was coming out on XBox...but if it's that linear I'll probably stay away or just rent it.  At least there's Mass Effect 2 coming out at the end of this month...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: PyronIkari on January 18, 2010, 09:45:20 PM

You know, Squeenix said that FFXIII is going to be the last game of the "FF Formula" right? They're selling the rights to squeenix USA most likely. They're going to try and take a new direction and not do FF's anymore..

I would like some sort of source to that bit of info, because that's news to me.
http://gs.inside-games.jp/news/214/21499.html

Him talking about western developing. Eidos as the developer specifically, which was recently purchased by squeenix USA.

http://gs.inside-games.jp/news/215/21509.html

Him talking about FFXIII being the last of its kind.

Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Knightfire on January 19, 2010, 08:31:49 AM
Interesting to sat the least. Judging by what was written it is still just rumors and speculation, but then again it might be the translator giving the wrong impression. As far as "The Last" of it kind., that could be taken in any direction. True, it could be the way that you mentioned, but it could also be interpreted that it could be the last FF where Single Platform only (for most of the world in this case) or where they used a specific character design in mind.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Liquid on January 19, 2010, 11:20:00 AM
I am sad to hear that this game is largely linear. That is one of the huge things I hated about FFX (although I still enjoyed the game for the most part.) I loved all the exploring and talking to random NPCs in FFXII. The side quests were pretty fun too. Some brought back some memories from much older FF titles. Loved the scenary, music, design, etc...which reminded me a lot of Vagrant Story, which is one of my favorite games for PSX.

Regardless of this new FF title's shortcomings, I have to be a sheep and buy it. I try to collect and play all of the titles, although I'll admit I've failed at making time to complete a few of them. I going to have to play this title for myself before I decide to judge it. Worst case scenario, it'll at least look pretty as I sadly progress through the game in a linear fashion, lol.

I hate that they gave away just about all of the storyline in the trailers for this game tho. Very pretty trailers....but they have far too many spoilers for me.

Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: PyronIkari on January 19, 2010, 03:48:33 PM
Interesting to sat the least. Judging by what was written it is still just rumors and speculation, but then again it might be the translator giving the wrong impression. As far as "The Last" of it kind., that could be taken in any direction. True, it could be the way that you mentioned, but it could also be interpreted that it could be the last FF where Single Platform only (for most of the world in this case) or where they used a specific character design in mind.

Wait... what translation?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Knightfire on January 19, 2010, 04:29:58 PM
Interesting to sat the least. Judging by what was written it is still just rumors and speculation, but then again it might be the translator giving the wrong impression. As far as "The Last" of it kind., that could be taken in any direction. True, it could be the way that you mentioned, but it could also be interpreted that it could be the last FF where Single Platform only (for most of the world in this case) or where they used a specific character design in mind.

Wait... what translation?

The links you gave me were in full japanese, so I had to use Google translator to read them in English.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: PyronIkari on January 19, 2010, 06:58:01 PM
Interesting to sat the least. Judging by what was written it is still just rumors and speculation, but then again it might be the translator giving the wrong impression. As far as "The Last" of it kind., that could be taken in any direction. True, it could be the way that you mentioned, but it could also be interpreted that it could be the last FF where Single Platform only (for most of the world in this case) or where they used a specific character design in mind.

Wait... what translation?

The links you gave me were in full japanese, so I had to use Google translator to read them in English.

But I already explained it. They're changing the game to be something completely new and will no longer be following that standard RPG formula. They're going to completely try and deviate and revamp/revolutionize RPG's and that Final Fantasy XIII will be the last of the standard style RPG.

FF hasn't been single platform for years. FF7 was on PC. FFXIII is being released on 360. FFXI was PS2/PC/360. And character design has varied a lot in FF alone, look at Crystal Chronicles and XIII. You're trying to hard to look for something it's not saying instead of just accepting it.

FF as you know it is dead. They're going a different direction, whether this is good or bad is yet to be seen. FFXIII however is out, and for the most part, is accepted as bad.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Knightfire on January 19, 2010, 07:57:58 PM
Interesting to sat the least. Judging by what was written it is still just rumors and speculation, but then again it might be the translator giving the wrong impression. As far as "The Last" of it kind., that could be taken in any direction. True, it could be the way that you mentioned, but it could also be interpreted that it could be the last FF where Single Platform only (for most of the world in this case) or where they used a specific character design in mind.

Wait... what translation?

The links you gave me were in full japanese, so I had to use Google translator to read them in English.

But I already explained it. They're changing the game to be something completely new and will no longer be following that standard RPG formula. They're going to completely try and deviate and revamp/revolutionize RPG's and that Final Fantasy XIII will be the last of the standard style RPG.

FF hasn't been single platform for years. FF7 was on PC. FFXIII is being released on 360. FFXI was PS2/PC/360. And character design has varied a lot in FF alone, look at Crystal Chronicles and XIII. You're trying to hard to look for something it's not saying instead of just accepting it.

FF as you know it is dead. They're going a different direction, whether this is good or bad is yet to be seen. FFXIII however is out, and for the most part, is accepted as bad.

They already been driving away for years though, so I don't see it as any different. Did you react this way When FFXII got released, or XI, or X, or Tactics? The way I see it, Final Fantasy "died" once X came out and that was almost a decade ago. I'm not trying to change your views on the game (sorry if I came under the impression if I was).

You got me there on the PC ports, completely forgot about those.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: PyronIkari on January 19, 2010, 08:24:27 PM
Interesting to sat the least. Judging by what was written it is still just rumors and speculation, but then again it might be the translator giving the wrong impression. As far as "The Last" of it kind., that could be taken in any direction. True, it could be the way that you mentioned, but it could also be interpreted that it could be the last FF where Single Platform only (for most of the world in this case) or where they used a specific character design in mind.

Wait... what translation?

The links you gave me were in full japanese, so I had to use Google translator to read them in English.

But I already explained it. They're changing the game to be something completely new and will no longer be following that standard RPG formula. They're going to completely try and deviate and revamp/revolutionize RPG's and that Final Fantasy XIII will be the last of the standard style RPG.

FF hasn't been single platform for years. FF7 was on PC. FFXIII is being released on 360. FFXI was PS2/PC/360. And character design has varied a lot in FF alone, look at Crystal Chronicles and XIII. You're trying to hard to look for something it's not saying instead of just accepting it.

FF as you know it is dead. They're going a different direction, whether this is good or bad is yet to be seen. FFXIII however is out, and for the most part, is accepted as bad.

They already been driving away for years though, so I don't see it as any different. Did you react this way When FFXII got released, or XI, or X, or Tactics? The way I see it, Final Fantasy "died" once X came out and that was almost a decade ago. I'm not trying to change your views on the game (sorry if I came under the impression if I was).

You got me there on the PC ports, completely forgot about those.

That's why they gave them a new title for tactics. FFXI is the only one that was different. X totally followed the pattern. XII and XIII also follow the pattern completely. Tweaking minor things and changing the battle system does not change it's still a standard JRPG.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: questionette on January 19, 2010, 09:00:27 PM
I'm so excited for this game :).  I just hope it doesn't fail like X/X-2 did for me (and I didn't bother playing XI or XII :-/), the only thing that bugs me is the "Eidolons" (Guardian Forces)...I liked how they were before :'( now they're like...mech car things....meh.  But still super excited! Already pre-ordered my copy ;)

Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Knightfire on January 19, 2010, 09:31:24 PM
Interesting to sat the least. Judging by what was written it is still just rumors and speculation, but then again it might be the translator giving the wrong impression. As far as "The Last" of it kind., that could be taken in any direction. True, it could be the way that you mentioned, but it could also be interpreted that it could be the last FF where Single Platform only (for most of the world in this case) or where they used a specific character design in mind.

Wait... what translation?

The links you gave me were in full japanese, so I had to use Google translator to read them in English.

But I already explained it. They're changing the game to be something completely new and will no longer be following that standard RPG formula. They're going to completely try and deviate and revamp/revolutionize RPG's and that Final Fantasy XIII will be the last of the standard style RPG.

FF hasn't been single platform for years. FF7 was on PC. FFXIII is being released on 360. FFXI was PS2/PC/360. And character design has varied a lot in FF alone, look at Crystal Chronicles and XIII. You're trying to hard to look for something it's not saying instead of just accepting it.

FF as you know it is dead. They're going a different direction, whether this is good or bad is yet to be seen. FFXIII however is out, and for the most part, is accepted as bad.

They already been driving away for years though, so I don't see it as any different. Did you react this way When FFXII got released, or XI, or X, or Tactics? The way I see it, Final Fantasy "died" once X came out and that was almost a decade ago. I'm not trying to change your views on the game (sorry if I came under the impression if I was).

You got me there on the PC ports, completely forgot about those.

That's why they gave them a new title for tactics. FFXI is the only one that was different. X totally followed the pattern. XII and XIII also follow the pattern completely. Tweaking minor things and changing the battle system does not change it's still a standard JRPG.

Isn't how each FF differentiate themselves primarily by the Battle System (plot as well)? Changing that is not just a minor tweak. A minor tweak is giving Mega Man the ability to Charge his Mega Buster. We are talking about how the game is played. FF X is a very different game from FF IX and FF XII, as well as XIII from what I been hearing.

You keep saying that FF XIII is the last of the FF formula but by what was posted, it already has broken the formula. Then what is the big deal? :-\ I don't like going back and forth like this, so I'm going to call it quits.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: PyronIkari on January 19, 2010, 09:47:01 PM
Sigh -_- Why does no one understand terminology anymore.

You don't get it. You seem to think that genres have their own set types.

Let me try to explain this in a couple of ways.

Street Fighter compared to Street Fighter 2 compared to Street Fighter 3, Compared to KOF, compared to Samurai Showdown.

All of them fit the same cookie cutter type for 2d fighting games. Some of those are good, some have good systems, some have have ad systems, some are bad. Different stories, different input types, different design, but they all fit the basic most common mold for a 2d fighter. How the games play out are basically the same. Now, compare that to, Marvel Vs Capcom, Arcana Heart, Guilty Gear, and BlazBlue. They have are similar, but have very different basis. They're very different, and they don't follow the base system. Then compared those lists to, Virtua Fighter, Tekken, Soul Calibur. They're no longer even comparable anymore.

Now in retrospect, let's say Final Fantasy is the first list. Every Final Fantasy fits in that type except for FFXI. No game in the FF series changes that much in terms of how its laid out. The battle systems may be different, magic and summons may be different, but essentially they're played exactly the same. But it's not just Final Fantasy, MOST JRPG's fit in this mold. Tales, Suikoden, Dragon Quest, Star Ocean, all of them fit in the genre mold.

But then you can take the second list, where it's basically the same premise but they spit it up enough to where it's not. These can be other RPG type games, like Action RPGs. Now you take the same basis idea, and you COMPLETELY change the system completely, like Tactics Games, Ogre Battle, or even games like Borderlands and Fallout.

The idea is to remove Final Fantasy from the first genre, and completely change it. Dragon Quest will stay the same and remain the staple of that genre, while FF is going to try and completely change into something else. Games like FFXI and XIV are the only two true FF's that have deviated from the base JRPG genre. Every other FF game that deviated was given a new title. Crystal Chronicles, Tactics, etc.

So to recap... FF1-X2 FFXII and FFXIII are basically all the same exact genre. Kingdom Hearts though cannot fit in that genre because it's an Action RPG. And don't argue that FFXII was an Action RPG because it wasn't. Battles were still menu based but autobattle could be utilized and just because the screen doesn't change, doesn't change that. Action RPG's are defined by direct control of the character at all times, where as menu based RPG's are controlling characters via commands. Mass Effect=Action RPG.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Liquid on January 20, 2010, 12:28:28 PM
If I had to guess, I'd say they were going to go the action RPG route. They seem to have been leaning more and more that way without actually crossing over. Other action RPG titles have become pretty popular with this genre. Although I am eager to see if they prove me wrong and show us all something new we haven't seen before.

Over the years they have been releasing a wide variety of different types of FF genres and titles. I would not be surprised if they took more popular aspects from all of these individual genres and somehow tied them all together into one crazy game. Puzzles, like in Crystal Chronicles. Customizable fighting schemes for each character, with combos and the like, as in Dissidia. They could integrate some stuff from their online titles. Maybe even somehow integrating strategic combat scenarios, like in Tactics. They could also take aspects from successful titles made by other companies. Games such as Fable, God of War, Metal Gear, Mass Effect, etc.

I'd be happy if they allowed for airship flying again (although not a necessary task, I found it fun in previous titles to zoom around the world at my own discretion.) It'd also be nice to have the chance to raise and breed chocobo again and take part in races (one of the aspects of FFVII I really enjoyed and feel should be done again.) Who really knows what they plan to do exactly, but with FFXIII coming out soon and FFXIV not too far behind, I'm sure information will come out sometime this year in regards to their next title, whether it be FFXV or an entirely new game altogether.

EDIT: Maybe something non-linear where you can go anywhere in the world you want and make your own decisions and decide your own actions. Actions which can alter your storyline, gameplay, and outcomes. That would certainly be different for them.

EDITx2: A while back I remember hearing someone tell me that SE had plans to combine the stories and characters from all FFs into one final game before ending the series. Not sure how reliable that rumor was though....and I have no real access to gaming websites at work....so I can't really research on my own. Contrary to the information stated, I find it hard to believe that SE would abandon such a successful franchise with such a huge following, in order to pursue something different. I'm kind of hoping they don't go through with that, but instead just make the games better.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Jerry on January 21, 2010, 03:23:18 PM
hmm interesting speculation there Liquid---
i didnt realize that SE [im assuming you mean Square Enix] was eventually dropping the FF franchise series. then again I havent seen any other game go beyond say 15+ sequels. :P [besides say mega man]

I mean they still have the Kingdom Hearts series, and knowing how many spin off that universe(s) they have you know they will keep some of the staple FF characters around.

My guess is that today [generation you tube] gamers possibly may prefer a non-linear game? I dunno. I have to admit that my attention span has gotten steadily worse over time when all the [open ended-ness of games] ever since the GTA some gamers get to overwhelmed by the "open world" and get too distracted... I know i do sometimes.

As for FFXIII and eventual XIV and XV, I'll probably get them out of nostalgic loyalty, but I havent consisently played a Final Fantasy game since FF X and FF:Tactics [war of lions on PsP] --- hopefully i may or may not jump on the FFXIII bandwagon [good or bad] sooner or later.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Liquid on January 22, 2010, 12:14:45 PM
I mean they still have the Kingdom Hearts series, and knowing how many spin off that universe(s) they have you know they will keep some of the staple FF characters around.

Well, FF characters in Kingdom Hearts is actually only a minor plot addition. It doesn't really add anything huge to the story or the worlds. It may have only been done to get current FF fans to be interested in buying Kingdom Hearts. Now that it is a successful franchise, they don't have to really add new FF characters or even keep the existing ones if they don't want to.

If you remember, Disney has recently aquired Marvel. If they really wanted to they could replace the presence of FF characters with Marvel characters; like Wolverine for example. Or they might just keep FF characters in there to make it remain a Disney\SE crossover title. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Liquid on February 10, 2010, 04:53:52 PM
For collectors of FF items (like games and strategy guides) here is a deal that Amazon.com currently has up today for pre-ordering the Final Fantasy XIII strategy guides:

Final Fantasy XIII Strategy Guide (Paperback) for $16.49. (http://www.amazon.com/Final-Fantasy-XIII-Piggyback/dp/0307468372/ref=sr_1_1_oe_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265848386&sr=1-1)
Normal listing price will be $24.99 (Savings: $8.50)

Final Fantasy XIII Strategy Guide (Hardback) for $20.99. (http://www.amazon.com/Final-Fantasy-XIII-Complete-Official/dp/0307468380/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0)
Normal listing price will be $34.99 (Savings: $14.00)

If you order both you are eligible for the Super Savings free shipping (5-9 day shipping.) Total for both is $37.48, excluding tax.

Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Jerry on February 12, 2010, 08:44:58 AM
Wrong [Number] game i know--- but thought this was an interesting article...

      Final Fantasy VII Almost Definitely Not Getting A Remake
(http://x05.xanga.com/21ce1700d9032262875157/z205940642.jpg)
      Final Fantasy designer Tetsuya Nomura has finally gone and said it; he's stated in an interview that the most popular game in the series, FFVII, is likely not getting a remake as so many fans are begging.

      It's been more than twelve years since the game's release, and Final Fantasy VII was the game that brought the series from its niche popularity into mainstream recognition.

      I'm a bit divided. Though the desire for a remake seems blatantly fanboyish, I get why some people want it. When so many PS era classics like Resident Evil and Metal Gear Solid have already received remakes, it nearly seems fitting. And for all it does incredibly, Final Fantasy VII is really not the perfect game that many remember; no matter how complex and vague a plot is, it doesn't automatically guarantee a good one. Yes, no matter how gripping Aeris' death may have been for many of us, I don't think the story or even the script was particularly well-written. There's so much room for improvement there that part of me wants to see that improvement happening within the game itself instead of a billion disjointed spin-offs.

      Still, Square-Enix hasn't been churning out much of anything special recently. If the complaints with FFXIII are any indication, the quality on a VII remake will reach the levels of kitsch and pander in Twin Snakes instead of the welcome retcons and expansions of Resident Evil on the GC. What more, FFVII was a huge game and it would take Square-Enix a long time to give it the once over. I'd rather see a Kingdom Hearts III.

      Even if it may not be coming out, what's your opinion on an FFVII remake?
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: L 3 S L I 3 ! on February 12, 2010, 09:13:52 AM
I'm so excited for this game :).  I just hope it doesn't fail like X/X-2 did for me (and I didn't bother playing XI or XII :-/), the only thing that bugs me is the "Eidolons" (Guardian Forces)...I liked how they were before :'( now they're like...mech car things....meh.  But still super excited! Already pre-ordered my copy ;)


omg!11! I hate the new Eidolons! I loved the old school summons! That's the only thing that's probably gunna bother me about this game. Hopefully the game play doesn't suck, too. Dx
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Liquid on February 12, 2010, 12:28:59 PM
You should have posted that it its own topic Jerry. That's a completely different discussion, lol.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Death_Note_Matt on February 23, 2010, 12:11:53 PM
First off I am going to say this..I am a HUGE Final Fantasy FanGirl!
And I hate to say this but the last good game they came out with was FFX [And I didn't like that game that much >:T]...unless you want to add in My Favorite one for the Nintendo advance Final Fantasy advance tactics :D
But really....when SquareSoft became SquareEnix They went down hill and didn't release any thing that good..The only thing I liked from them was Final Fantasy Advent children THE MOVIE .___. And after that they started releasing all these Final Fantasy 7 based games =___=; I loved Final Fantasy 7 but damn DX I just loved it when it was just Cloud the good guy and Sephiroth the badass villain...and now that there is so many new faces..ugh..its kinda like Mortal Kombat..I am lost in whats going on with that series. Anyways..getting back to Final Fantasy XIII I am not looking forward to it...But I am going to but to to complete my Final Fantasy collection. >3>
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Jerry on February 23, 2010, 12:25:22 PM
The only thing I liked from them was Final Fantasy Advent children THE MOVIE .___.


Just FYI they - RE-released a "Newer" Version of this movie -
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:sSg7XsuWYsIiIM:http://bt.avistaz.com/imagehost/images/923229Final%2520Fantasy%2520VII%2520Advent%2520Children%2520Complete%25201.jpg)
--- It has almost 20+ more minutes footage focusing more on clarifying the plot and the fight scene have be "recut" to actually show more violence.  I've never seen Cloud so bloody before... its a whole different experience.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Death_Note_Matt on February 23, 2010, 12:33:37 PM
Wrong [Number] game i know--- but thought this was an interesting article...

      Final Fantasy VII Almost Definitely Not Getting A Remake
(http://x05.xanga.com/21ce1700d9032262875157/z205940642.jpg)
      Final Fantasy designer Tetsuya Nomura has finally gone and said it; he's stated in an interview that the most popular game in the series, FFVII, is likely not getting a remake as so many fans are begging.

      It's been more than twelve years since the game's release, and Final Fantasy VII was the game that brought the series from its niche popularity into mainstream recognition.

      I'm a bit divided. Though the desire for a remake seems blatantly fanboyish, I get why some people want it. When so many PS era classics like Resident Evil and Metal Gear Solid have already received remakes, it nearly seems fitting. And for all it does incredibly, Final Fantasy VII is really not the perfect game that many remember; no matter how complex and vague a plot is, it doesn't automatically guarantee a good one. Yes, no matter how gripping Aeris' death may have been for many of us, I don't think the story or even the script was particularly well-written. There's so much room for improvement there that part of me wants to see that improvement happening within the game itself instead of a billion disjointed spin-offs.

      Still, Square-Enix hasn't been churning out much of anything special recently. If the complaints with FFXIII are any indication, the quality on a VII remake will reach the levels of kitsch and pander in Twin Snakes instead of the welcome retcons and expansions of Resident Evil on the GC. What more, FFVII was a huge game and it would take Square-Enix a long time to give it the once over. I'd rather see a Kingdom Hearts III.

      Even if it may not be coming out, what's your opinion on an FFVII remake?


I wanted the remake! I was waiting all those years..Hell that was the reason why I wanted a PS3 in the first place Dx But now that its a no Go Ahhhh! But then again...they did me a favor by saving me the disappointment of them jacking up my favorite classic but adding something lame in it..I mean if it aint broke don't try to fix it right :D Just keep it true to the old one. Well anyways its alright I still got my original one for the PS in the black too o3o complete with the booklet XD
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Jerry on February 24, 2010, 10:02:34 AM
(http://na.square-enix.com/newsletter/2010/02/img/white_couch.jpg)

this is one way to "relax" on a couch.  8)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Jerry on March 09, 2010, 09:01:53 AM
Anyone's initial thoughts of the game now thats its out? [several friends picked it up from midnight releases] --- you crazy crazy FF fans. :P
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: DentyneIce408 on March 09, 2010, 04:13:36 PM
Getting mine tonight. I totally forgot about the midnight release :b
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: LordKefka on March 09, 2010, 05:27:27 PM
Got mine at Best Buy initially... then half way out the mall friend told me Target has it with a $10 gift card so I returned the BB one and bought the Target one... then another friend texted me telling he got FFXIII for my b-day right after I walked out of Target so I have to return the Target copy tomorrow. Guess I won't be playing this game till like next week or something...-_-;
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Death_Note_Matt on March 09, 2010, 09:55:32 PM
My thoughts have not changed...its not as great as the old ones..But I love the grapics...however I don't like the song Dx Ahhhh! I hate the  OP song ;_; It  made me cry!
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: JTchinoy on March 10, 2010, 02:32:36 AM
Graphics are great but it's as linear as they say. *shrug* still playing.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: DentyneIce408 on March 10, 2010, 08:45:34 AM
Too straight forward... I find the start boring. :( It's visually great but I wish they've kept with their victory pose.  :b
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: JTchinoy on March 10, 2010, 10:55:13 AM
Yeah when does it start getting more interesting?  The growth system isn't even customizable =/
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: Jerry on March 10, 2010, 11:22:16 AM
is it me or all my friends/ gamer / gamestop buddies wont shut up about this game!!! :P

is it me or is everyone like in a race to beat the game to be that jerk that beats the game and gives the spoiler and how

that one thing with the thing or about ____________ Dies.  :-[
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: PyronIkari on March 10, 2010, 08:05:01 PM
is it me or all my friends/ gamer / gamestop buddies wont shut up about this game!!! :P

is it me or is everyone like in a race to beat the game to be that jerk that beats the game and gives the spoiler and how

that one thing with the thing or about ____________ Dies.  :-[

Bleh, all the cool kids were talking about (how crappy) the game like 3 months ago.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: DentyneIce408 on March 11, 2010, 09:34:01 AM
But still no matter how bad it might get later on, I might as well play through it. Not saying the game is bad but it'll take time to get used to it and maybe I'll even enjoy it.
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: LordKefka on March 12, 2010, 06:36:09 PM
I just asked friend to return FFXIII and get me Yakuza 3....>_>;;...*rips off the plastic cover of FFXIII*...gaming time YAY!!! I'm sure it's probably a smarter idea to finish P4 or start AT2 but meh...
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: forever adel on May 19, 2010, 10:27:01 PM
I really don't find the linear gameplay to be a bad thing..I am rather enjoying it :)
Title: Re: Final Fantasy XIII
Post by: LordKefka on May 20, 2010, 04:15:11 PM
I honestly regret buying this game. Damn it. This turned out to be what happened with me and FFX2 years back: bought it, played it for 3-4 hours and got dead sick of it... =_=;;