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DubStep is a very interesting genre with a new flavor of sound and a refreshing trend for most electronic dance music events. It is quite high on the popularity list and it can serve pretty well to its listeners.

And DubStep will do well at Fanime Dance 2012 if it has some playing time. It would be great if there were around 2-4 DubStep tracks playing each night/liveset. The reason why DubStep shouldn't be the main genre or have extended listening times is because inexperienced listeners of EDM can only stand DubStep short periods of time.

It must be taken into account that inexperienced EDM listeners have shorter attention spans, therefore it may be difficult set the crowd wild with just a dubstep-only set.

Personally, I believe that a great set is built up with House, Progressive House, Golden Trance, DubStep, and a few mixes of other subgenres of EDM. I used to be a Trance-only guy, but I think Trance builds up fine for the mid-set/end-set. Genres such as DubStep, House, Progressive House, and whatnot have a slower BPM than Trance. Therefore Trance has a nicer build towards later parts of a liveset.

House = 123-131 BPM
DubStep = Varies
Golden Age Trance = 135-140 BPM

I think the Dubstep amount was fine just the way it was

I'd hate to admit it, but I was one of the kids who called it a rave instead of a dance.

I remember waiting and line and getting into the dance, and the Rover asked me:

Rover: So, are you here for the dance?
Me: Yeah, I came for the rave. It sounds fun
Rover: You mean, the Dance, right?
Me: Yeah, I'm here for the rave.

The Rover must have -facepalmed- deep inside. lol

So what should we do? Get signs that specifically say "THIS IS NOT A RAVE"

or simply tell the attendees its not a rave

the otaku prom LOL yeah I agree.. it is nothing close to an actual rave

I agree that its "the term the kids use" too differentiate between the other dances. perhaps they consider it a rave because we got fancy lights and electronic dance music banging (which is awesome) but it is nowhere near a rave

we should post signs saying "THIS IS NOT A RAVE, THIS IS A DANCE" or something or rename this dance to something else that totally disassociates itself from the coined term "RAVE"

Call me naive, but what does kandi have to do with anime, video games, Japanese culture or really anything Fanime is about? If I'm missing something I really don't know, so explain it to me. If you can show me it's relevant then maybe we do need a panel!

Well, kandi has absolutely nothing to do with Anime or Japanese culture. But kandi is an element of that ravey stuff. and that ravey stuff stems from electronic dance music...  and we play EDM at the Fanime dance so... you get what I mean, right? well I'll tell you one thing, there is such thing as J-Trance. Ayumi Hamasaki has remixes from prestigious DJs/Trance artists such as Ferry Corsten, Armin Van Buuren, and Above & Beyond. That is only example out of many, so we can still call the dance a J-Trance Honoring Dance, or something like that. just an idea. Since it is not only targeted to ANIME strictly, we can aim at other parts of representing "JAPANESE CULTURE," we know this through the "ASIAN FILMS VIDEO ROOMS," and such..... anyways, so if we were to successfully host a J-Trance Dance event, not only would it represent the Japanese culture, but then it would also be considered a semi-rave by the kids, and they would bring kandi outfits or bracelets in. and that is how kandi are having a slight association with fanime. im sorry i worded this out pretty bad but i hope u get the message... but there shouldnt be a problem with kandi. no one is dying from it and no one is getting hurt either

If you want to know how to make kandi, then you should visit actual rave websites and ask them. There are other websites out there, such as PLUR LIFE that have a website especially dedicated to rave culture. Be aware if you want to proceed to this forum. You will find hardcore ravers here. The people of the Plur Life forum are really friendly, but friendly in a different way. If you think you are good at "talking trash for the LuLz," then this is the place for you if you want to know more about the rave.

I warn you though, this website has very offensive material, which is however, lightly intended. Which means they might call you offensive names but in a tough love kind of way.

Just know that the rave scene at Fanime is quite under developed (but I have high hopes of it getting better). The rave scene at Fanime is nothing close to the actual raves going on nowadays.
To be quite frank, the reason is because Fanime attendees are not on drugs, the girls are not whores, and the guys are not gangsters/douches trying to get laid.
It's sad to say but the general majority of the real rave scene is infested with people who are not there for the music, but for their own needs.
And I'm not trying to say the FAnime rave scene should be anything like the general majority ravers. The minority of people that go are the real music lovers who go with/without drugs but they just go for the music and they don't cause any trouble or grief, because they have respect for that DJ or the music.

The crooks really make the "rave scene" an unsafe environment. And I suggest that you guys stay away from becoming "too ravey" because it'll attract THOSE kinds of people. Just focus on the music ;D

I'm talking through my own experience of raves.

Watch the video that eHash posted; the interviewees in that video are the real music lovers that provide an underground sound that is so complex that it is nearly considered religious or worship material. you can't find these kinds of things in mainstream radio stations.

So what am I trying to say? I'm actually trying to say it's all about the music. Music first, then lights, kandi, fancy costumes, come second.

But for some people, it is about the sex, drugs, social fit, or other factors. And by making it too ravey, it will no doubt attract more crooks. It's not the ravers who are the crooks, but it's the crooks who are attracted the raver's ideals.

I'll be damned if I just successfully got trolled.

[Yes, it is the workers fault usually, but sometimes it's not. And quite frankly, I have a few guesses as to who you may be, and with some slight digging, I can probably figure it out, but again, if you have any integrity, you'll answer the questions I asked]

Oh, just forget everything I said then.

eHash, I stayed at the dance indeed for a few good hours, yes, and on other days too such as Friday and Sunday night. However, it slipped my mind that you were closing the sets on Friday night. And totally didn't know you were closing the sets in the main dance floor upstairs on all other nights. If I would have known, I would have definitely went to check out your set. I appreciate that you played some of the songs I requested. In fact, I feel like a total idiot for missing out. I have no excuses. I missed your part and damn I shouldn't have.

I didn't indicate this earlier but when I was giving a critique for the dance scene, it was only prior to the parts when I was there. I was there on Friday from 9-11 PM, and on Sunday from 11:30-12:00AM. I wasn't there during your set. (Damn I wish I was though)

So it's my fault, and perhaps I shouldn't have been so harsh with things. I apologize, and let's just forget what's happened here and let's move on to what we can do for next year.

I know the restaurant I work at is well known for some bad customer service at times. I'm a newer worker though, and I've been doing everything I can on the customer service improvement. It's been showing, I see results on yelp, but it is nothing beyond a conceivable level yet. After all, I only started a short while ago.

OH PLEASE DO GO INTO MORE DETAILS. Because this is my cafe and I need to know what's going on it. Again, please tell me who your maid was. She tells you her name when you enter the cafe and almost all of them wore name tags. Also, I'd like to know what time you were in the cafe and what day. I need to take these complaints seriously as I absolutely do strive for perfection.

Perfection my ass. You're not striving for anything. You claim that I'm talking out of my ass? Look, if you have a customer complaining, then you really need to take into consideration into what they're saying. Why do I have to answer you all these personal questions? I shouldn't. Normally, the person is supposed to accept constructive criticism, accept it, whether it may be true or not, find out if they can make improvements. If it was a lie, then the improvements were not needed to be made, but at least it is the thought that counts. If it was true, then damn, you know what the problem is, so go fix it!

No, I love feedback. Did you not notice how I put up a thread for feedback? What I want is GOOD FEEDBACK legitimate feedback about what went wrong and what went right. What you wrote doesn't make sense. You state things happened and that the cafe was a certain way, when it wasn't, and just observing the cafe for 10 minutes you would know those things. So please explain what happened in detail. And strangely you were directing everything towards me, because again... I'm co-head of the maid cafe. Everything you said was DIRECTLY TOWARDS ME.

The hell? You don't even know how long I was there for. How are you to judge that I'm just sitting there for 10 minutes acting like I know everything? First off all, I can't believe you are actually judging your own customer that invested time in money into your own organization, and has the courage to actually stand up and speak the truth, but you just blame me for being an idiot, and start interrogating me about who what where how and why. Think about it. Do you think I'm just sitting here making stuff up? Do you actually think I would enjoy hating on people for no reason? Dude, that's not fun at all. But honestly, get a reality check.

If I was you and someone complained to me like this, I would definitely take the blame and do everything I can to fix the problem. I would never, NEVER start to interrogate, and say stupid shit like "Imagine if you were this working in high heels with expensive dresses and had special performances to attend to." OR worse yet, mock the customer and try to make them feel like an idiot. How is a service industry going to improve, if all the comments they are getting is "You are a winner! You're the best! No one can beat you!" The business would never improve man. Bruce Lee, the wise once said, "Like everyone else you want to learn the way to win. But never to accept the way to lose." My god dude, why would you even hire people in the first place if they can't even do it correctly? I noticed that nobody else has said anything about the Maid Cafe on this thread, but among my friends and peers, all of them had a lot of negative feelings for it. Open your eyes, I'm trying to help you. A lot of people don't want to say anything bad, so they'll just lie modestly or they simply don't have the time or the courage to step up.

Just so you know, I never claimed that I work at a "high class" restaurant. I work at a decent restaurant at best, and it is rated that way on Yelp! I'm not here to boast that I am the best worker either. And yes, I do get hit on by girl customers, whether they are serious or not, I take it lightly, and I choose to play along with it or joke around. A restaurant doesn't have to be "high class" in order to have customers who don't have a physical or mental interest in the workers. I don't see any golden rule saying "You cannot hit or flirt with workers because it is blasphemy and thou shalt burn in hell." And if it is blasphemy, then damn, I feel bad for my customers.

I still can't believe you are asking me where I work, and you have the audacity that only "real men with balls" would admit where they work. Are you seriously the head of the Maid Cafe? What the hell. This is like blasphemy and corruption in the Catholic church. I feel like I'm going to get lynched because I said the Earth was round. So if another customer complains, are you gonna call them a pussy because they didn't go much into details by giving you their family name, their social security number, and their birth certificate? Do you have to REALLY know these things just to "strive for perfection?"

This is ridiculous. I don't have to give you any of my personal information at all. Not that I am an ass about it... but would you seriously interrogate a customer like that? Honestly...

Yes, it is the workers fault usually, but sometimes it's not. And quite frankly, I have a few guesses as to who you may be, and with some slight digging, I can probably figure it out, but again, if you have any integrity, you'll answer the questions I asked so I can get to the bottom of what happened during your visit to the cafe and fix this problem for next year. I have a good memory, but i'm terrible with names. So I'll make it easy and list out the information I would like and you don't even need to tell me who you are \o/

Wow, this is bullshit. You're threatening to find out who I actually am and where I work by "doing some slight digging" ? Dude, that's just creepy. What is this, CSI? You gonna call a lawyer, or detective on me? Forgive me, all I wanted to do was say how I felt about the Maid Cafe. I do no harm. Do you really want to actually search up my TCP/IP address? Is it really worth it?

Look, man, I'm not trying to do anything bad. In fact, I'm trying to help you. If it is too hard for you to realize it, then just forget about me. Just think of me as that dumbass who doesn't know what the hell he is talking about, and he has no balls because he doesn't wanna give his identity to anybody. Add me to your ignore filter or some shit.

Personally, I don't care if you find out who I am and where I live, work, how much I weigh, or my social security number. I just really find it unnecessary. You are always accepting the way to win, but not accepting the way to lose. You should really consider doing your work, instead of flaming a customer.

Mod edit: It's called a dance:)

[NEVER]

Thank you all for putting up with these words and see everyone in 2012!!!

Shit, we're all gonna die by 2012 though.

Just kidding!

Yeah no problem man. I would like to thank the convention too. Fanime is currently it its earliest development of dealing with newer problems, newer staff, newer attendees, and newer rules, regulations, and optimizations that needs to be made. I understand that it is getting tougher every year, especially around this time. Boy, back when I started Fanime, it was NEVER this over loaded with  this much humanoids. Hell, I don't even remember seeing a Rover at all during the year span of 2006-2009. Or maybe they just weren't officially identified/labeled yet.

In any case, despite that this year was a bit disappointing, I still love Fanime, my memories of 2006-2009 cannot and will not ever be forgotten, and I will always support the convention no matter what, for it has stolen my heart when I was just a mid-teenager.

So I would also like to thank the efforts of the Rovers, the attendees, and everybody for doing their best to keep things stable. After all, it was a bit bad, but not TOO bad to the point where it has become forsaken.

I love this convention, and I will continue to go every year. Maybe, just maybe, one day I'll choose to make great changes at Fanime.

Pretty sure if no one replied to you, they have nothing.

Isn't the point of this thread to be PATIENT about getting pics from people?

Hey, you never know ::)

[edit:]

You do not have a single legitimate point in anything you posted at all. Every single thing you complained about either, didn't apply, or was you basically stating how you don't like people. "I don't like crossplayers" "I don't like the music they played at the dance"... etc. Seriously? Then you go off on a rant like Fanime is terrible because of things like this? Are you serious?

Why must I even go into specifics or provide hardcore proof that it wasn't good? I'm not here to convince you that Fanime 2011 sucks, I'm here to Re:Anyone else let down by this year's Fanime? Lmao, suck it up. Can't handle handle the way I feel about things or what? I'm sorry but I don't feel like being optimistic about it since last year when it actually started getting bad.

edit: However I did learn one thing, it is not the DJ to entirely blame for, it is the Con Management and their lame restrictions on limiting what people want to actually play.

The music sucks, my friends hated it, random people said they hated it, and other people on the forum said they don't like to dance to "techno" (Lol, it's not even techno). I personally don't hate it, but it just wasn't innovating, captivating, melodic, euphoric, dreamy, hard, or progressive. You think I'm the only one complaining about this? Wow, you'd be surprised bro!

But here's the fun one, not because it's my department because it makes absolutely no sense.

Uhuh, ok!

Ok... service. What do you mean by service? You don't even explain anything in this, you just complain about the food and say you don't get anything from it. Again, what kind of service did you expect? Do you even know what a maid cafe is? Seriously... first off, it's a cafe... not a restaurant. So if you're going to whine that it's not a 4/4.5 star restaurant you really need to get your head out of your ass. blah blah blah....

No I actually don't know what a Maid Cafe is. You didn't know that I didn't know? I went probably since it started, as I recall it was in its early awakening in 2009-present. (Not sure if it was there 2008-before though.)

I don't need to explain to you. If you don't agree with me then get off my nuts. If I don't like it, I'll say I don't like it. Just because it was good for you horny maid defending otakus in shining armor, doesn't mean that it's gonna be good for everybody. Some people just enjoy mediocrity, and some expect higher.

blah blah blah continued.... What I do care about is how you're attacking it totally off base. Just so you know, one of the staff members of the cafe is a cook in a high class restaurant. So please give me legitimate complaints instead of just "It sucked". And this goes for pretty much everything you said.

When I went to the Maid Cafe, they didn't really smile, and the Maids looked rather pissed off and annoyed because of who-knows-why. Maybe it's because otakus like you keep trying to hit on them. I understand because they are in dresses, heels, being stalked/checked out by creeps, and are under pressure and stress from many other responsibilities. But who told the maids they had to be that busy? If they can't pull it off then perhaps they should tone it down.

No smiles, no friendly vibe, and they didn't even check my table after they seated me. I don't want to go more into details, so shut up.

Restaurant and Cafe is nearly the same thing. Actually, it is even easier to do a Cafe than it is to do a restaurant. So really, it shouldn't be that hard at all for them. You still have to have customer service skills, social skills, common sense, friendliness, and lots of patience. How many tables are at the Maid Cafe anyway? How many Maids were even working?

blah blah blah continued.... Just so you know, one of the staff members of the cafe is a cook in a high class restaurant.

LMAO is this guy serious? I'M A COOK IN A HIGH CLASS RESTAURANT, I MAKE FROZEN MEDIOCRE FOOD AND OVERCHARGE BECAUSE I GOT CUTE LITTLE MAIDS WHO WILL MAKE UP FOR MY MEDIOCRITY! THOSE IDIOTS WILL NEVER KNOW!

please, you're a sick joke. get out of here

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Try wearing high heels for even a few mins without complaining. Add the harassment that they get and how busy it was, put it together, and I think you're 4/4.5 restaurant would turn into a -1.  

Btw, do they even get paid?

Lol, how hard is it to just check up on tables 2-3 times, talk to the customers nicely with a smile, show a passion for the work, walk back and forth and bring frozen sandwiches and cold drinks out of a fridge, ignore annoying creeps that harass, or better yet, take the harassment lightly and just joke around with them casually. I get harassed or hit on by girl customers at work, and I just take it lightly and play along or make jokes with it. It really isn't that hard. Either the maids are shy, or they just don't have those kinds of social skills. What I do notice about the Maid Service at the Cafe is they give me a vibe that they just want to do their work, finish us off, and get us the hell out of here so they could finish. I get a vibe that they just want it to be over with, so they could leave.

If you don't wanna accept feedback, and you like to face the wall of ignorance, then just ignore what I have to say. I wasn't directing toward you anyway in the first place anyway.

But, it's ok, I understand, if I complain and make feedback, it is my fault, not theirs.  ::) ::) ::) Kinda ironic,  ::) because at restaurants/cafes if something is going bad, it is usually the workers that should take the blame. (Even if it wasn't the worker's fault. The customer will feel better that they are not responsible.)

Anyways.... just for the record, I'm an otaku too... kind of, not as much as before, so no need to call me a hypocritical person. (Look at my sig yo!)

[Friday and Saturday]

I'll ask again.

Did anyone take photos of a Vampire Knight Zero Kiryuu cosplayer from both Friday and Saturday ?

I am also looking for Black Rock Shooter photos. She's my friend. I can't really describe her, but she has the best looking jacket that is shiny and she has really perfect pale skin along with her her blue contacts.

Considering that this year was pretty bad, I still felt a little depressed that I had to leave. It didn't hit me into I woke up from a 4 hour nap after arriving home, and I felt like my house was soooooooooo boring and unlively.

I still have high hopes for next year getting better though.

who is she?

Did anyone take photos of a Zero Kiryuu cosplayer from Vampire Knight?

I'm going to try making some better friends and possibly group up with some more positive hearted folks for next year's Fanime.

Also, I was so ashamed of my cosplay this year. I really, REALLY want to go all out in the investment on getting a nearly perfect cosplay next year.

guess you can say next year my motivation is to bump up my cosplay quality

yeah these "traps" from Japan have started to become a trend here as well. I didn't know I took pictures of a guy when I was doing a group photo.

You guys brought up good arguments but it won't change anything. I still think this year was pretty bad.

no I dont go just to check out girls. I didn't see much good male cosplayers this year though, however

I guess perhaps it is the trickle down theory. if the anime scene is stagnant or sucks, then the community gets driven down too  ???

Yeah, geez... I think even the rain on Saturday was nature's way of saying this year we were gonna be screwed.

[honestly]

Yeah the crooks are really killing the scene! I do agree too that it is turning too much into a free-style, all around convention.

it's true, I enjoyed the innocence and the bliss of the nerd energy back then. well don't get me wrong, I was only 15-17 years old when I truly enjoyed Fanime the most. maybe yeah, I'm getting too old, but I just get a vibe that the older crowd had much more charisma.

There are definitely crooks there and they seem to be doubling in size and numbers since last year. (last year was when I noticed it was bad, but this year was even WORSE) pretty soon, the scene will be more about "protecting myself, staying safe, gotta stay away from this area and that because there are creeps," blah blah.

I think the original nerdy people (who were awesome) and used to go have been reduced.

honestly it seems like people don't respect the convention anymore

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And the guy talking shit about the maids, what service were you expecting?

What was I expecting? Not much. I am not expecting a 5 star restaurant service. In fact, maybe I was being a little too critical, since I work at a 4/4.5 star restaurant, and since I do great customer service on the ordinary. So if I sounded too blunt, I apologize. but what do you want me to say? Should I have worded it alternatively?

This thread is dedicated to cosplayers who got their pictures taken and were wondering how the pictures turned out as photographers took their snapshot.

I'm kinda embarrassed to ask for my photos, because this year I was intentionally not supposed to cosplay, so I kinda half assed it.

But just in case other people who want it... this thread is dedicated to you

edit: IT appears that there is another thread like this, although, it seems to be in the wrong category.
http://forums.fanime.com/index.php/topic,16361.0.html

but the real thread is here.