Only $50? I guess fanime was saying up to $100 in order to include all hotels(that being the Fairmont).
I guess this makes it easier for me. A relief.
I guess this makes it easier for me. A relief.
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Quote from: Dracil on April 14, 2015, 02:13:28 PMIt should be pointed out that dances and concerts are two different things. A concert at a con usually invovles a guest a lot of people want to see, and therefore people will be a little be more active than when seeing a dj.
I think it's a problem with young people who just haven't been to enough concerts, especially Japanese ones, and part of that is also probably the cons' fault for not placing enough emphasis on music guests and also educating the attendees.
My group of con friends are generally older (probably 25-40s+) and they're also fairly introverted but nobody there has any issue with standing. Hell, some of us even have old injuries and we will work through the pain if possible to keep jumping and standing during the concert. But everyone in the group are veteran congoers who attend cons *specifically* for music guests, and a large number of them also make trips to Japan to attend lives there as well.
Actually since I'm on a rant, American con "dance" scenes are also pretty dismal IMO. If a dance gets described at any point in time as a "rave" they've already failed.
Here is what anime music events at music clubs are like in Japan.
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/61017139 - Club Mogra (very famous, if any of you watched the anime Saekano, the characters actually go here in one of the episodes!)
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/60731753 - Sukimono
Even outside Japan, at Anime Festival Asia, they know what's up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrBcn8w9uVM - AFA Indonesia '13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV7SE9TmCeo - AFA Singapore '14
They get it over at Mexico too:
Notice in all cases the very clear anime/vocaloid music with generally minimal amounts of remixing.
And then here's what happens in USA cons...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WOTq5-s9y8 - Fanime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gRkuXceQPY - Otakon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgaokBV9B2Q - Anime Expo
That AX video is especially telling of why I have such a dim view of the con culture here.
There really is nothing in the cons here that really shows people this aspect of the culture. And I only got into it myself by luck from seeing people who knew this aspect, and continuing to keep in touch with them over the years.
Quote from: AiKii on April 14, 2015, 02:51:43 AMIf possible, I might bring my tentacle arm. ^^
Depending on time, may come as Miko Mido from La Blue Girl. Heheh. 8D
Quote from: cutiebunny on March 18, 2015, 06:27:59 PMFanime has always been pretty clear that are run by the Anime Resource Group(ARG). It's been said a few times during opening ceremonies. You can even find the logo and name in the Fanime program.
If Fanime management is as transparent as you make it seem, why not simply come out and state that the convention is run and funded by a corporation? Abolish the FFBF motto. State that you are a 501(c)(6) in your guide book and website(s) like AX and every other con run by a corporation. As much as I complain about AX (albeit for many other reasons), I appreciate that they openly state that they're a business. I am under no illusion when I attend AX that it is a grassroot, "buy local" type convention whereas with Fanime, I always got the impression that that's what management wanted everyone to think.
Quote from: Kuudere on March 13, 2015, 10:54:00 AM
The real question you should be asking is if it's worth going to Fanime to you. If you feel your points are valid and justified, then perhaps it is best to forgo Fanime for you. You don't need our approval or agreement to determine what's best for you. Your opinion alone should be what matters in that decision, since it's you who is spending money to attend these conventions. The following is only my response to your listed concerns, which hopefully help to explain some of these things from a different perspective.
Disclaimer: I am not staff, nor have I worked for any convention aside from a small, local con, so consider the following information to be mostly casual research done by an outsider, rather than someone with inside knowledge in the structure of Fanime and other cons.
Fanime, as it states in its slogan, is "by fans, for fans." This is actually a big deal, considering some of the largest cons are basically run by organizations and corporations these days. Which, while that gives those conventions more power in the guest relations department, it can also take away a lot of control from the people who attend the event. Fanime has the advantage that they can listen to their attendees, because they don't have bigger organizations as their primary interest. They're fan-focused.
"Well, they don't do a good job in giving us what we want," you may be thinking. There are several comments I'd like to make to that, primarily that you're not going to like everyone they get. That's a fact. They cannot please everyone. But for every time you hate a guest they chose, there are at least several dozen that genuinely enjoy that guest choice. One of the biggest complaints are when cons go with American VAs over Japanese VAs. Sure, those might not appeal to older fans who are die-hard sub watchers, but have you noticed that conventions are tending to draw younger crowds? I won't speak for every young person, but I know that many of them are exposed to anime through American programming, which is by-far dubbed. Same-day dubbing is actually revolutionizing the industry and making the same shows you watch available to all types of viewers. American VAs are what they know. These guests are a big deal to them. I don't think it's fair to focus solely on the older crowd (and by older, I don't just mean age, I mean time spent in the anime fandom) when it comes to determining guests, especially when our guest choices are much more expensive and difficult to bring.
Second, they have designated places that they encourage you to request the guest you want to appear (and they actually monitor and keep record of the suggestions). I don't see where that option exists for Anime Expo. Unfortunately, I don't see enough people take advantage of that offer, or if they do, they request guests in February when it's really late to be securing guests. Perhaps staff can make more of an effort to promote that option to people early on in the planning stages. Anyway, they at least make an effort to find out what guests that their attendees are interested in.
As others have stated, the main programming is reserved mostly for Saturday and Sunday, as those are the days with highest attendee count. Many people are in school or they work during the week, so it wouldn't make sense to put the biggest events on a Friday when many can't even attend. And with 24-hour schedules (which not every convention has), it's impossible to pack things that are relevant to every attendee in every hour.
There are a lot of things that this convention offers outside of Japanese guests. It is in a fantastic location, surrounded by hotels within walking distance and close to a large variety of food sources. There are excellent places for photoshoots for cosplayers and photographers. I've heard from many people that Fanime is pretty well-known for having excellent cosplayers attend. It's not extremely overcrowded. 24-hour programming. A wonderful artist alley and a huge dealer's hall. Typically great weather. Attention given to attendees. It actually had an enviable line-control system last year (heard from plenty of people who went to other cons that they wished that those cons were more like Fanime in that respect).
And hey, they even get some amazing guests to come to the US for the first time (and come back, like FLOW did, meaning the guests enjoy the experience as well). Those are just some great perks that Fanime has to offer.
I absolutely agree on the housing website mess, though. I think Fanime has long outgrown the services they get from CMR and either need to upgrade, if possible, or move to another provider. Whatever servers they're currently using are way below what is necessary to accommodate the amount of traffic the site now gets. Also, I'm hoping that they eventually roll-out the badge-before-hotel system they've been trying to implement (maybe badge-buyers get access to a unique code that gives them access to the hotel page before it's open to the general public, and there's a limit to how many rooms can be reserved under that code? I don't know.)
Those heading the convention this year are different from the previous few years, so I'm kind of excited to see what changes happen. So far, the website (a huge complaint that I, and many others, had last year) is revealed around the time it used to be revealed years ago (yay!). They've been a bit more transparent on progress than in the past, in my opinion. So other than the hotel problems, I think that these point to a promising year.
So, if, knowing this information, you are still not happy with the direction that Fanime has taken, then I think it would be a good idea to see what other conventions are a better fit for you. If it's Japanese guests you like, AX tends to do well with that because they've got connections and the budget. People talk positively about ColossalCon in Ohio, but that's less because of the guest list and more because it's hosted in a giant indoor waterpark. There's also ACen in Chicago and Otakon, which are both popular conventions.
Sorry for the wall of text.
Quote from: PinkHairSasuke on February 17, 2015, 06:43:46 PMand more than Pacific Rim.
TMNT 2014 made more money than the 1st SpongeBob movie.
Quote from: Hachimitsu-ink on November 13, 2014, 12:31:51 AMI also heard that the hotels aren't connected to the convention center. At least I think a staffer said that.Quote from: kookiekween99 on November 12, 2014, 08:05:14 PMQuote from: Glitch on November 12, 2014, 05:02:19 PMQuote from: aetherltd on November 12, 2014, 10:04:03 AMA more correct term is that Fanime has consumed San Jose. with each year, it takes more and more of downtown. And now it is going even beyond that.
Let's face it, Fanime has outgrown San Jose.
I've heard staff say they don't want to move because the next biggest place is the moscone in frisco, and it is not exactly to their liking.
I wouldn't mind Moscone, but the decision isn't up to me. :P
The price for moscone is very expensive, and hotels WILL be more pricier than the ones in san jose!.. ALSO even though it's bigger, the venues are going to be hard to seperate from each other.
The biggest problem is traffic, and Raised ticket price!....
MOscone is nice, but i don't think i want to experience another horrible moment like wondercon did! (when san francisco held that)
Quote from: aetherltd on November 12, 2014, 10:04:03 AMA more correct term is that Fanime has consumed San Jose. with each year, it takes more and more of downtown. And now it is going even beyond that.
Let's face it, Fanime has outgrown San Jose.
Quote from: Avairrianna on November 10, 2014, 03:37:45 PMWe do what we can to win. victory goes the smartest.
I feel like this is kinda cheating but there are auto-redialers apps out there and that's how I finally got through....
I just put in the 415 number and tell it how often to redial (every 3 seconds)
Quote from: echoshadow on November 07, 2014, 08:33:09 PMWhat? I thought they were totally up to par with designs like these. #sarcasm
Uh..... Setting the bar lower eh?
I just don't see it. It's just every day cars with decals. Sorry if it was blunt. But you'll have better luck advertising vinyl decals.