http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RxL8DLsEuc&eurl=http://lj-toys.com/?journalid=2454569&moduleid=3&auth_token=sessionless:1193112000:embedcontent:2454569%26
Dead serious, if this girl touched me(thank god I wasn't in a costume she recognized/liked) I would have decked her in the face. This is exactly what I was talking about in the forums previously. People that have absolutely no self-control nor respect. They think it's perfectly okay to run and jump onto people they don't know merely because they have a costume on? You can obviously tell at least one of those people were disgusted when she jumped on them, yet... these people still think it's fun and cute?
the weird thing about this is that i ran into her a few weeks after the con while waiting for the bus one day.
me thinks a wee bit too much sugar/caffeine in the bloodstream.
i say no to glomps(unless its from friends); a simple(emphasis on simple) hug is fine.
Quote from: PyronIkari on October 22, 2007, 09:22:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RxL8DLsEuc&eurl=http://lj-toys.com/?journalid=2454569&moduleid=3&auth_token=sessionless:1193112000:embedcontent:2454569%26
Dead serious, if this girl touched me(thank god I wasn't in a costume she recognized/liked) I would have decked her in the face.
Me too (I wish). I just don't like to touched by strangers though.
Quote from: PyronIkari on October 22, 2007, 09:22:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RxL8DLsEuc&eurl=http://lj-toys.com/?journalid=2454569&moduleid=3&auth_token=sessionless:1193112000:embedcontent:2454569%26
Dead serious, if this girl touched me(thank god I wasn't in a costume she recognized/liked) I would have decked her in the face. This is exactly what I was talking about in the forums previously. People that have absolutely no self-control nor respect. They think it's perfectly okay to run and jump onto people they don't know merely because they have a costume on? You can obviously tell at least one of those people were disgusted when she jumped on them, yet... these people still think it's fun and cute?
haha that seems painful xD
yeah i like to ask before glomping or else i might ruin their costume o.o;
That's a good thing that didn't happen to me. I always hide from that. but they have to ask if they want to glomp me.
Remember that there is a fine line between harmless glomping and assault.
If worse comes to worse, just go get a rover.
Quote from: MPLe on October 23, 2007, 05:39:05 PM
Remember that there is a fine line between harmless glomping and assault.
If worse comes to worse, just go get a rover.
you took the words right out of my mouth.
IMO, the glompee is equally responsible as the glomper. if the glompee is aware of the potential tackle, said person can simply give a heads-up, and ideally it would be avoided.
well ironically although physical contact rules should be usually common sense.
some ppl have it and others... well... they need a friendly reminder.
being part of the rover team, usually the golden rule applies:
try others how you want to be treated.
for Cosplayers most of them have a unwritten rule that you will most likely be gawked, glomped, touched, followed and otherwise drawn attention too.
ive been randomly glomp by random passer-by-ers and sometimes your ready for it... other times your not so much.
the point is its suppose to be a friend sign of affection, not a death wish or meaning to harm one another, but again some fan boys/girls forget that things that happen in anime dont happen the same way in real life.
basically, just play nice and try not to hurt each other. :D
thats my 2 cents
*steps off soap box*
Quote from: Emerge on October 23, 2007, 11:04:34 PM
IMO, the glompee is equally responsible as the glomper. if the glompee is aware of the potential tackle, said person can simply give a heads-up, and ideally it would be avoided.
The key word here is "ideally", which never translates all that well into real life. Some glompers just don't take hints at all. Of course, this is also hinging on the victim being aware of the oncoming glomp, which may not be the case.
Aww... is it that bad? She can glomp me and while I might shiver or cower, no hard feelings.
Quote from: punk_parfait on October 24, 2007, 11:58:13 AM
Aww... is it that bad? She can glomp me and while I might shiver or cower, no hard feelings.
its not that its bad or anything, just that some people dont know exactly how much force they are putting into said glomp itself.
Some may be careful when they go for a glomp, but there are some that go into it like they're trying out for the high school football team: full force without thinking.
Quote from: otakuapprentice on October 24, 2007, 02:06:34 PMits not that its bad or anything, just that some people dont know exactly how much force they are putting into said glomp itself.
Some may be careful when they go for a glomp, but there are some that go into it like they're trying out for the high school football team: full force without thinking.
This is true... people don't embrace people randomly on the street and if they do it's not really well received so I'm not sure why this happens at cons so much. I suppose I'm just used to it.
Quote from: otakuapprentice on October 24, 2007, 02:06:34 PM
Quote from: punk_parfait on October 24, 2007, 11:58:13 AM
Aww... is it that bad? She can glomp me and while I might shiver or cower, no hard feelings.
its not that its bad or anything, just that some people dont know exactly how much force they are putting into said glomp itself.
Some may be careful when they go for a glomp, but there are some that go into it like they're trying out for the high school football team: full force without thinking.
And there are those of us who really prefer to maintain personal space except with people who we know very well, and some glompers don't seem to grasp the concept that there are people out there who aren't as touchy-feely as they are.
Didn't we already discuss this chick in the Suggestion thread? Thread over, kidding.
Of course I'm not sure if it's still over there. It doesn't hurt to discuss over again due to safety issues.
Quote from: Glitch on October 24, 2007, 08:18:29 PM
Didn't we already discuss this chick in the Suggestion thread? Thread over, kidding.
Of course I'm not sure if it's still over there. It doesn't hurt to discuss over again due to safety issues.
man, there needs to be a how-to vid on glomping...or some sort of pamphlet.
Maybe a video shown on the convention center's video network? "Good idea: being friendly with your fellow fans. Bad idea: glomping complete strangers with the force of an NFL tackle"
It has nothing to do with the force of the hug or anything like that really(though that just adds to the level of discomfort). If I had food in my hand and some chick I didn't know hugged me and my food flew out of my hands... I would be pissed.
You don't hug people you don't know without asking or anything like that... if you do that in 90% of places, you get punched(LOL BORAT). It's personal space... some people don't like being touched, even more so by strangers.
Quote from: PyronIkari on October 24, 2007, 09:12:02 PM
It has nothing to do with the force of the hug or anything like that really(though that just adds to the level of discomfort). If I had food in my hand and some chick I didn't know hugged me and my food flew out of my hands... I would be pissed.
You don't hug people you don't know without asking or anything like that... if you do that in 90% of places, you get punched(LOL BORAT). It's personal space... some people don't like being touched, even more so by strangers.
the food thing is true.
ppl at cons are used to glomping now, some more than others; getting permission first is probably the best way to avoid a punch/hit/kick/slap/etc. in the face/gut/etc.
if it's a hug, I'm fine with that; if it is a glomp, then be careful; i don't like having a broken rib or arm, thank you very much.
heh, actually, I was with one of the couples she attacked, the ichigo rukia one ('power of love i guess') Rukia was feeling sick, and that really pissed her off. But as for glomping, it just needs to be montiored, and one simple rule "Only go after those who have very vivid 'GLOMP ME' signs, or verbally ask for it' I don't know if any of you remember the shirt ninja group, but for a while that's what they did, and when con ops told them to disband, they did. no harm, no foul really
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Quote from: Glitch on October 24, 2007, 08:18:29 PM
Didn't we already discuss this chick in the Suggestion thread? Thread over, kidding.
Of course I'm not sure if it's still over there. It doesn't hurt to discuss over again due to safety issues.
man, there needs to be a how-to vid on glomping...or some sort of pamphlet.
I'll make the pamphlet/flyer! I'll hand them out next year too! *nod nod* "Glomping: How To's and What Not to Do's...srsly we aren't playing football"
gah, now I really need to do that
here we go.
http://forums.fanime.com/index.php/topic,7661.0.html
remember folks, ask permission first!
Working rovers, i saw a lot of people that also continually followed around certain people to glomp, touch, and basically harass those people. So many harassment complaints in 07.
Aside from not wanting to be touched by randos, some people have expensive and/or fragile costumes. I'd be REALLY angry if someone ruined a part of my costume.
I hear ya. That would piss me off. Unfortunatly that is bound to happen to some people.
That is video is quite terrifying :o
Quote from: PyronIkari on October 24, 2007, 09:12:02 PM
You don't hug people you don't know without asking or anything like that... if you do that in 90% of places, you get punched(LOL BORAT). It's personal space... some people don't like being touched, even more so by strangers.
I totally agree. I would definitely be pissed if someone decided to glomp me without my permission.
I saw that video and Maaan If I was in cosplay and she glomped me D: she would have gotten the cuss out of her life!
I find it rude that someone just randomly runs up to you and glomps you especially if you have like a headgear or other items that you worked your heart and soul over and it gets ruined like that.
Personal space please!
Oh shit.... I am in that video. I remember her now. That's ININ getting glomped right after the Sora with the donut. You can see me an Chloe get out of the way at the last second. I remember that Raymond was a bit shocked after it happened. She almost knock him over.
Yah... not cool.
Quote from: Steve.Young on October 25, 2007, 09:23:00 AM
Working rovers, i saw a lot of people that also continually followed around certain people to glomp, touch, and basically harass those people. So many harassment complaints in 07.
Yeah, I hate paperwork I was stuck in the Rover's office filing reports and dealing with SJ PD on MULPITLE occasions...
We'll have 'might' have more boys in blue in uniform...
think of the chaos of someone was foolish to glomp one of them?...
That would be ALL bad. >:(
Quote from: otakuapprentice on October 24, 2007, 09:21:07 PM
ppl at cons are used to glomping now, some more than others; getting permission first is probably the best way to avoid a punch/hit/kick/slap/etc. in the face/gut/etc.
People that regularly attend conventions *might* be used to seeing glomps, but it doesn't mean that they want to be glomped. Keep in mind that we also have new people that have never been to a convention/FanimeCon before.
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Quote from: MPLe on October 26, 2007, 12:58:27 PM
Quote from: otakuapprentice on October 24, 2007, 09:21:07 PM
ppl at cons are used to glomping now, some more than others; getting permission first is probably the best way to avoid a punch/hit/kick/slap/etc. in the face/gut/etc.
People that regularly attend conventions are used to getting glomped. Keep in mind that every convention has people that attend for the first time, which is why glomping isn't encouraged.
Not always the case. I've been going to Fanime since the Foothill days, and I make it very clear that glomping is unwanted as far as I'm concerned. It's clear others feel the same way, regardless of how long they've been going to Fanime and other cons. Saying that con veterans are used to glomps is painting with a rather broad brush.
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Yeah, I hate paperwork I was stuck in the Rover's office filing reports and dealing with SJ PD on MULPITLE occasions...
We'll have 'might' have more boys in blue in uniform...
think of the chaos of someone was foolish to glomp one of them?...
That would be ALL bad. >:(
I think I filed more incident reports than I wanted to. It would be nice to have more police officers on hand. It seemed that they were never there.
I hate glompers. I've had people follow me around so they could glomp me. I swear, some people don't seem to realize that we cosplayers are PEOPLE, not anime characters. I've seen people have their costumes or props broken due to glomping, and I feel really bad for those people. I don't mind if people ask me for a hug, but if they run at me with full force and surprise me, I have a problem with that. It's common courtesy to ask first. I think a lot of glompers think that cosplayers are anime characters and don't feel pain.
Quote from: Mordyan on October 25, 2007, 09:01:01 PM
Oh shit.... I am in that video. I remember her now. That's ININ getting glomped right after the Sora with the donut. You can see me an Chloe get out of the way at the last second. I remember that Raymond was a bit shocked after it happened. She almost knock him over.
Yah... not cool.
lol. zOMG, you know that's on youtube.com? She told me about it awhile ago, and said I was famous on the internet 'cause I was partially in a video at Fanime '07. But, yeah, man... I got scared when that happened. It all happened so fast. D:
BTW, HI MORDYAN! ^^
Quote from: Stormfalcon on October 26, 2007, 08:42:07 PM
Quote from: MPLe on October 26, 2007, 12:58:27 PM
Quote from: otakuapprentice on October 24, 2007, 09:21:07 PM
ppl at cons are used to glomping now, some more than others; getting permission first is probably the best way to avoid a punch/hit/kick/slap/etc. in the face/gut/etc.
People that regularly attend conventions are used to getting glomped. Keep in mind that every convention has people that attend for the first time, which is why glomping isn't encouraged.
Not always the case. I've been going to Fanime since the Foothill days, and I make it very clear that glomping is unwanted as far as I'm concerned. It's clear others feel the same way, regardless of how long they've been going to Fanime and other cons. Saying that con veterans are used to glomps is painting with a rather broad brush.
Gah, I wrote my post incorrectly. I meant
People that regularly attend conventions *might* be used to seeing glomps, but it doesn't mean that they want to be glomped.
Changing original post now.
Send her my way next time. I live to be glomped. Then again I look up to Jiraiya. XD. Super nerd alert! XDDDD
lol i think my friend is in that video. [i think] she's the one in the inu yasha cosplay
ya that's her.
anyways i don't really care as long as they don't hurt me. but i know why other people would be pissed.
yA that was me (rukia w/kon doll) and ma friend piper in the inu yasha costume!! lmao we were kinda stuck on stupid for a second. She kinda hurt ma friend *piper* inu yasha we also didnt know we were gunna be on youtube @_@ zomg!
What's bad is if you read the comments from the youtube video, people are going, "OMG, that's so cool, I'm going to do this, too!!" which means we might have even more inconsiderate glompers running around this year. I swear, if anyone tries doing this to me, unasked, they're going to get a hard shove in the face and/or a cussfest.
So much violence toward glompers. XD
Quote from: DshadowSakura on October 31, 2007, 11:46:00 PM
yA that was me (rukia w/kon doll) and ma friend piper in the inu yasha costume!! lmao we were kinda stuck on stupid for a second. She kinda hurt ma friend *piper* inu yasha we also didnt know we were gunna be on youtube @_@ zomg!
Cappeh and I know Piper! We hung out with her at a costume party last Saturday.
=]
I agree that every cosplayer at the door should get a sticker or something saying yes or no to glomping. It would solve alot of problems.
Quote from: abcbadcat on November 01, 2007, 09:28:06 PM
Quote from: DshadowSakura on October 31, 2007, 11:46:00 PM
yA that was me (rukia w/kon doll) and ma friend piper in the inu yasha costume!! lmao we were kinda stuck on stupid for a second. She kinda hurt ma friend *piper* inu yasha we also didnt know we were gunna be on youtube @_@ zomg!
Cappeh and I know Piper! We hung out with her at a costume party last Saturday.
=]
I agree that every cosplayer at the door should get a sticker or something saying yes or no to glomping. It would solve alot of problems.
Yeah if you want to be glomped (like me) just have some kind of sign and that will solve the problem.
Quote from: Kyokun on November 01, 2007, 10:46:52 AM
What's bad is if you read the comments from the youtube video, people are going, "OMG, that's so cool, I'm going to do this, too!!" which means we might have even more inconsiderate glompers running around this year. I swear, if anyone tries doing this to me, unasked, they're going to get a hard shove in the face and/or a cussfest.
Several people posted more serious comment too, myself included. You know, telling about the serious side of glomping and all that and to ask permission and blah blah blah. She deleted those comments. >:(
But all the comments she kept were all the "omg kawaii awesome" fangirly comments, and those comments worry me....
Quote from: abcbadcat on November 01, 2007, 09:28:06 PM
Quote from: DshadowSakura on October 31, 2007, 11:46:00 PM
yA that was me (rukia w/kon doll) and ma friend piper in the inu yasha costume!! lmao we were kinda stuck on stupid for a second. She kinda hurt ma friend *piper* inu yasha we also didnt know we were gunna be on youtube @_@ zomg!
Cappeh and I know Piper! We hung out with her at a costume party last Saturday.
=]
I agree that every cosplayer at the door should get a sticker or something saying yes or no to glomping. It would solve alot of problems.
Yeah Dshadowsakura=Yeli i went to the party too aka the other zombie ..but yeah back to the point on the other idea of ribbons or stickers=good idea , but would fanime have the money to do that?
It's still early. You should suggest it.
Not having my car blow up at Fanime 2008 will be a plus...I may have to drive down to San Jose ***again*** IN that car. xD
re: the signs thing. What would be better would be that those who want to be glomped bring their own signs stating so. Otherwise, it would be safe to assume that the person in question does not want to be glomped. No expense to the con whatsoever, other than coming down on those glomping folks without a sign giving permission.
Quote from: Stormfalcon on November 02, 2007, 07:51:01 AM
re: the signs thing. What would be better would be that those who want to be glomped bring their own signs stating so. Otherwise, it would be safe to assume that the person in question does not want to be glomped. No expense to the con whatsoever, other than coming down on those glomping folks without a sign giving permission.
The problem with that... is that it sorta encourages the idea of bringing signs, which is the opposite of what the con wants. Signs are strongly discouraged, and many types of signs are banned from the convention(those asking for money or other such type things).
Quote from: PyronIkari on November 02, 2007, 08:01:05 AM
Quote from: Stormfalcon on November 02, 2007, 07:51:01 AM
re: the signs thing. What would be better would be that those who want to be glomped bring their own signs stating so. Otherwise, it would be safe to assume that the person in question does not want to be glomped. No expense to the con whatsoever, other than coming down on those glomping folks without a sign giving permission.
The problem with that... is that it sorta encourages the idea of bringing signs, which is the opposite of what the con wants. Signs are strongly discouraged, and many types of signs are banned from the convention(those asking for money or other such type things).
Good point. I guess the better policy would be "No glomps unless given express verbal permission", then. No permission, no glomp. Glomp without permission, get your socially maladjusted butt booted from the con. Works for me at least.
Quote from: Shinigami on November 01, 2007, 10:05:54 PM
Quote from: Kyokun on November 01, 2007, 10:46:52 AM
What's bad is if you read the comments from the youtube video, people are going, "OMG, that's so cool, I'm going to do this, too!!" which means we might have even more inconsiderate glompers running around this year. I swear, if anyone tries doing this to me, unasked, they're going to get a hard shove in the face and/or a cussfest.
Several people posted more serious comment too, myself included. You know, telling about the serious side of glomping and all that and to ask permission and blah blah blah. She deleted those comments. >:(
But all the comments she kept were all the "omg kawaii awesome" fangirly comments, and those comments worry me....
Well, that sounds encouraging. /sarcasm I hope she gets reported this year and kicked out of the con since she obviously doesn't care how people feel about being mauled/attacked.
If you want to glomp or be glomped, that's fine, but PLEASE be respectful towards those of us who do NOT. I don't want to hit anyone, but out of reflex I might, if someone surprise jumps me.
Quote from: Shinigami on November 01, 2007, 10:05:54 PM
Quote from: Kyokun on November 01, 2007, 10:46:52 AM
What's bad is if you read the comments from the youtube video, people are going, "OMG, that's so cool, I'm going to do this, too!!" which means we might have even more inconsiderate glompers running around this year. I swear, if anyone tries doing this to me, unasked, they're going to get a hard shove in the face and/or a cussfest.
Several people posted more serious comment too, myself included. You know, telling about the serious side of glomping and all that and to ask permission and blah blah blah. She deleted those comments. >:(
But all the comments she kept were all the "omg kawaii awesome" fangirly comments, and those comments worry me....
.......she did?
wtf
she's a dumb ho. i hope the next person she jumps on drops her.
lol, hi yeli! :
D
I would laugh too if someone did that lol.
Quote from: Kyokun on November 02, 2007, 11:57:15 AM
I hope she gets reported this year and kicked out of the con since she obviously doesn't care how people feel about being mauled/attacked.
i'd rather someone get kicked out of somewhere for what they DO as opposed to what they THINK.
Quote from: cappeh on November 02, 2007, 07:50:11 PMshe's a dumb ho. i hope the next person she jumps on drops her.
uncalled for.
Quote from: Emerge on November 03, 2007, 02:02:42 AM
i'd rather someone get kicked out of somewhere for what they DO as opposed to what they THINK.
The reason of the act is more important than the act itself. If she did that to someone that she asked and didn't mind, the act would not warrant her being kicked out. However, the act based on the reasoning that she doesn't care, nor puts any consideration towards the other party involved, is the grounds to get them kicked out.
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uncalled for.
Hardly... it's very called for, because that's exactly what she is, and the action is justified. I'm not going to attempt to carry the weight of some fat little girl that thinks it's cute to jump on to me and latch on when I haven't a damned clue who she is, and I hope dropping her to the floor will get the dumbass to realize how stupid she is, and how she should stop to think about doing such a dumb act ever again. People act and don't think about consequences and don't rationalize why they do things, nor how they will be received. Those people deserve to be slapped with reality.
Quote from: Emerge on November 03, 2007, 02:02:42 AM
Quote from: Kyokun on November 02, 2007, 11:57:15 AM
I hope she gets reported this year and kicked out of the con since she obviously doesn't care how people feel about being mauled/attacked.
i'd rather someone get kicked out of somewhere for what they DO as opposed to what they THINK.
I didn't say as soon as I get to the con, I'm going to report her for doing nothing just because of what she did last year. I'm saying if she continues to act irresponsibly (highly likely, since she deleted every negative comment from her video), even though people have told her this action is not welcomed by everyone, then I hope she gets reported and banned from the con.
Quote from: Emerge on November 03, 2007, 02:02:42 AMQuote from: cappeh on November 02, 2007, 07:50:11 PMshe's a dumb ho. i hope the next person she jumps on drops her.
uncalled for.
lol wut?
no more uncalled for than jumping on someone and expecting them to carry you.
"Dumb" part, ok. "Ho" part, not necessary.
It's a dumb idea. See what can happen? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1_VjxFTUmM)
Quote from: cappeh on November 03, 2007, 02:46:19 PM
Quote from: Emerge on November 03, 2007, 02:02:42 AMQuote from: cappeh on November 02, 2007, 07:50:11 PMshe's a dumb ho. i hope the next person she jumps on drops her.
uncalled for.
lol wut?
no more uncalled for than jumping on someone and expecting them to carry you.
I agree with this statement. If she thinks it's okay to jump on me, I think it's okay to drop her. But no, seriously now, if she's going to jump on me and I don't want to carry her, I simply won't carry her. She's getting dropped one way or another... whether it's on purpose or accident.
I don't really mind getting glomped, just as long as the people glomping me are girls and their not taller than me by 8 inches. But just to be on the safe side just ask the person if you can glomp them. But yeah I'll be pissed if someone glomped me if I was cosplaying and I was wearing something expensive or something I worked really hard on. So yeah just ask..................................
Quote from: Kyokun on November 02, 2007, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: Shinigami on November 01, 2007, 10:05:54 PM
Quote from: Kyokun on November 01, 2007, 10:46:52 AM
What's bad is if you read the comments from the youtube video, people are going, "OMG, that's so cool, I'm going to do this, too!!" which means we might have even more inconsiderate glompers running around this year. I swear, if anyone tries doing this to me, unasked, they're going to get a hard shove in the face and/or a cussfest.
Several people posted more serious comment too, myself included. You know, telling about the serious side of glomping and all that and to ask permission and blah blah blah. She deleted those comments. >:(
But all the comments she kept were all the "omg kawaii awesome" fangirly comments, and those comments worry me....
Well, that sounds encouraging. /sarcasm I hope she gets reported this year and kicked out of the con since she obviously doesn't care how people feel about being mauled/attacked.
If you want to glomp or be glomped, that's fine, but PLEASE be respectful towards those of us who do NOT. I don't want to hit anyone, but out of reflex I might, if someone surprise jumps me.
there should be a offical way to tell if someone wants to be glomped and I mean without using those little signs. mabye we should have a sticker or something like that on our name tags, so that glompers can tell which person is okay to glomp.
Quote from: JohnnyAR on November 03, 2007, 07:52:42 PM
Quote from: Kyokun on November 02, 2007, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: Shinigami on November 01, 2007, 10:05:54 PM
Quote from: Kyokun on November 01, 2007, 10:46:52 AM
What's bad is if you read the comments from the youtube video, people are going, "OMG, that's so cool, I'm going to do this, too!!" which means we might have even more inconsiderate glompers running around this year. I swear, if anyone tries doing this to me, unasked, they're going to get a hard shove in the face and/or a cussfest.
Several people posted more serious comment too, myself included. You know, telling about the serious side of glomping and all that and to ask permission and blah blah blah. She deleted those comments. >:(
But all the comments she kept were all the "omg kawaii awesome" fangirly comments, and those comments worry me....
Well, that sounds encouraging. /sarcasm I hope she gets reported this year and kicked out of the con since she obviously doesn't care how people feel about being mauled/attacked.
If you want to glomp or be glomped, that's fine, but PLEASE be respectful towards those of us who do NOT. I don't want to hit anyone, but out of reflex I might, if someone surprise jumps me.
there should be a offical way to tell if someone wants to be glomped and I mean without using those little signs. mabye we should have a sticker or something like that on our name tags, so that glompers can tell which person is okay to glomp.
How about going up and asking if it's okay to glomp or not? If so, fine. If not, forget it.
On a waaay serious note, I was glomped a little too hard at fanime last year (it was a squeeze that popped my spine, and hurt quite smartly >_<). I am dealing with a serious back injury and something like that can seriously harm me. People need to consider this in their 'glomp fests'. Tackle glomps, bear squeaze glomps, and lifting you off the ground related glomps are in my opnion unsafe.
I don't want to be spending fanime in the ER becuase someone wasn't using common sense. I am not stating we should ban glomps, but this is getting out of hand. People, healthy ones too, can and will get hurt from the glomping antics I've seen in the past couple years. Please, respect the people who bring you these events by discouraging things like that. Safety first guys, it may sound corny...but I'd rather not see anyone get hurt at these things.
Quote from: PyronIkari on November 03, 2007, 09:35:10 AM
The reason of the act is more important than the act itself.
i'm trying to think of it in the "no harm, no foul" light. of course, in this case, there was harm and thus, a foul. but what i'm trying to get at is that i could think about punching someone in the face all day long, but as long as i don't touch that person, i haven't really done anything wrong.
Quote from: PyronIkari on November 03, 2007, 09:35:10 AM
Hardly... it's very called for...
Tony's post pretty much covered what i have to say about this.
dumb - okay. i'll give you that.
ho - has absolutely nothing to do with the situation at hand
Quote from: Stormfalcon on November 03, 2007, 08:50:59 PM
Quote from: JohnnyAR on November 03, 2007, 07:52:42 PM
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Quote from: Kyokun on November 01, 2007, 10:46:52 AM
What's bad is if you read the comments from the youtube video, people are going, "OMG, that's so cool, I'm going to do this, too!!" which means we might have even more inconsiderate glompers running around this year. I swear, if anyone tries doing this to me, unasked, they're going to get a hard shove in the face and/or a cussfest.
Several people posted more serious comment too, myself included. You know, telling about the serious side of glomping and all that and to ask permission and blah blah blah. She deleted those comments. >:(
But all the comments she kept were all the "omg kawaii awesome" fangirly comments, and those comments worry me....
Well, that sounds encouraging. /sarcasm I hope she gets reported this year and kicked out of the con since she obviously doesn't care how people feel about being mauled/attacked.
If you want to glomp or be glomped, that's fine, but PLEASE be respectful towards those of us who do NOT. I don't want to hit anyone, but out of reflex I might, if someone surprise jumps me.
there should be a offical way to tell if someone wants to be glomped and I mean without using those little signs. mabye we should have a sticker or something like that on our name tags, so that glompers can tell which person is okay to glomp.
How about going up and asking if it's okay to glomp or not? If so, fine. If not, forget it.
well.........................
I'm a shy person, so its a problem for to ask someone to ask if they wanna get glomped and also people who don't want to get glomped won't worry at all about having to be glomped unless the glomper just sees them from behind and glomps without thinking or asking, so that way they can deserve being cussed at times 5.
Ok question for the higher up ppls or who ever can give me an answer. ^^;; so i know you guys dont like signs because of the whole ppl asking for money *example* thing so what if i MAKE a shirt??? thats says (glomp me or pls dont glomp me?) so instead of a cardboard box sign can i make a shirt ? That way fanime staff dont get mad for me having a sign and i avoid ppl glomping me >.<
Quote from: JohnnyAR on November 04, 2007, 06:31:24 PM
Quote from: Stormfalcon on November 03, 2007, 08:50:59 PM
Quote from: JohnnyAR on November 03, 2007, 07:52:42 PM
there should be a offical way to tell if someone wants to be glomped and I mean without using those little signs. mabye we should have a sticker or something like that on our name tags, so that glompers can tell which person is okay to glomp.
How about going up and asking if it's okay to glomp or not? If so, fine. If not, forget it.
well.........................
I'm a shy person, so its a problem for to ask someone to ask if they wanna get glomped and also people who don't want to get glomped won't worry at all about having to be glomped unless the glomper just sees them from behind and glomps without thinking or asking, so that way they can deserve being cussed at times 5.
If you`re too shy to ask to glomp, then it`s a good idea not to glomp to begin with. As for those who glomp without permission, they shouldn`t be cussed at. They should be booted from the con instead.
Quote from: JohnnyAR on November 04, 2007, 06:31:24 PM
Quote from: Stormfalcon on November 03, 2007, 08:50:59 PM
Quote from: JohnnyAR on November 03, 2007, 07:52:42 PM
Quote from: Kyokun on November 02, 2007, 11:57:15 AM
Quote from: Shinigami on November 01, 2007, 10:05:54 PM
Quote from: Kyokun on November 01, 2007, 10:46:52 AM
What's bad is if you read the comments from the youtube video, people are going, "OMG, that's so cool, I'm going to do this, too!!" which means we might have even more inconsiderate glompers running around this year. I swear, if anyone tries doing this to me, unasked, they're going to get a hard shove in the face and/or a cussfest.
Several people posted more serious comment too, myself included. You know, telling about the serious side of glomping and all that and to ask permission and blah blah blah. She deleted those comments. >:(
But all the comments she kept were all the "omg kawaii awesome" fangirly comments, and those comments worry me....
Well, that sounds encouraging. /sarcasm I hope she gets reported this year and kicked out of the con since she obviously doesn't care how people feel about being mauled/attacked.
If you want to glomp or be glomped, that's fine, but PLEASE be respectful towards those of us who do NOT. I don't want to hit anyone, but out of reflex I might, if someone surprise jumps me.
there should be a offical way to tell if someone wants to be glomped and I mean without using those little signs. mabye we should have a sticker or something like that on our name tags, so that glompers can tell which person is okay to glomp.
How about going up and asking if it's okay to glomp or not? If so, fine. If not, forget it.
well.........................
I'm a shy person, so its a problem for to ask someone to ask if they wanna get glomped and also people who don't want to get glomped won't worry at all about having to be glomped unless the glomper just sees them from behind and glomps without thinking or asking, so that way they can deserve being cussed at times 5.
Even if people were to wear stickers or something saying it's ok to glomp, you should still ask so that the person can be prepared for it thus avoiding injury or the destruction of costumes/props.
Basically it comes down to the fact that just because it's a convention does not mean that anyone has the permission or the right to invade the personal space of another person! You do not know these people and therefore do not know if they like to be touched, if they want their costume touched because damage might be done (if they're wearing one), and if they have medical problems as was stated above. In any other situation this would not be tolerated, however, because it's a convention and people are dressed up there seems to be this idea that it is ok. IT IS NOT! If you want to glomp people fine, but is it that hard to ask? ???
Quote from: XpHoBiaX on November 03, 2007, 09:13:37 PM
On a waaay serious note, I was glomped a little too hard at fanime last year (it was a squeeze that popped my spine, and hurt quite smartly >_<). I am dealing with a serious back injury and something like that can seriously harm me. People need to consider this in their 'glomp fests'. Tackle glomps, bear squeaze glomps, and lifting you off the ground related glomps are in my opnion unsafe.
I don't want to be spending fanime in the ER becuase someone wasn't using common sense. I am not stating we should ban glomps, but this is getting out of hand. People, healthy ones too, can and will get hurt from the glomping antics I've seen in the past couple years. Please, respect the people who bring you these events by discouraging things like that. Safety first guys, it may sound corny...but I'd rather not see anyone get hurt at these things.
I agree. I have a pretty serious foot injury that started acting up around Fanime time last year and someone who tried to glomp me ended up stomping on my foot and running off before I could get a good look at them. It swelled and I ended up having to sit on the edge of our tub soaking it instead of having fun at the convention.
Glomping is intrusive and unsafe. I really hope we can get a handle on it this year.
I hate to sound like a jerk, but if a glomper lacks the self-control to ask someone if they'd like a glomp, he/she most likely shouldn't attend conventions full of people that might not want to be glomped. If you have the presence of mind to ask, you SHOULD. If you can't, then don't glomp.
No askie? No jumpie. Case closed.
Quote from: phoenixphire24 on November 05, 2007, 10:35:19 AM
Even if people were to wear stickers or something saying it's ok to glomp, you should still ask so that the person can be prepared for it thus avoiding injury or the destruction of costumes/props.
Basically it comes down to the fact that just because it's a convention does not mean that anyone has the permission or the right to invade the personal space of another person! You do not know these people and therefore do not know if they like to be touched, if they want their costume touched because damage might be done (if they're wearing one), and if they have medical problems as was stated above. In any other situation this would not be tolerated, however, because it's a convention and people are dressed up there seems to be this idea that it is ok. IT IS NOT! If you want to glomp people fine, but is it that hard to ask? ???
As I said I'm shy
ok you've got me there and you said it in a way that can persuad the people in charge of Fanime.
oh god you guys calm down and don't get so offended. it's like you're placing 'ho' on the same level as a racial slur. i call everyone hoes.
besides, i don't know why you're defending this chick anyways, lol.
Quote from: cappeh on November 06, 2007, 12:31:03 AM
oh god you guys calm down and don't get so offended. it's like you're placing 'ho' on the same level as a racial slur. i call everyone hoes.
You do realize what a ho is, don't you? If you do, then maybe you might realize why it's placed on the same level as a racial slur.
Quote from: JohnnyAR on November 05, 2007, 06:18:06 PM
Quote from: phoenixphire24 on November 05, 2007, 10:35:19 AM
Even if people were to wear stickers or something saying it's ok to glomp, you should still ask so that the person can be prepared for it thus avoiding injury or the destruction of costumes/props.
Basically it comes down to the fact that just because it's a convention does not mean that anyone has the permission or the right to invade the personal space of another person! You do not know these people and therefore do not know if they like to be touched, if they want their costume touched because damage might be done (if they're wearing one), and if they have medical problems as was stated above. In any other situation this would not be tolerated, however, because it's a convention and people are dressed up there seems to be this idea that it is ok. IT IS NOT! If you want to glomp people fine, but is it that hard to ask? ???
As I said I'm shy
ok you've got me there and you said it in a way that can persuad the people in charge of Fanime.
I understand that you're shy, it's just that I don't equate being shy with randomly jumping on/hugging strangers. You, being a shy person, should understand what it's like for people like me that don't like being touched by people I don't know. You have to respect people's personal space.
Quote from: cappeh on November 06, 2007, 12:31:03 AM
oh god you guys calm down and don't get so offended. it's like you're placing 'ho' on the same level as a racial slur. i call everyone hoes.
besides, i don't know why you're defending this chick anyways, lol.
I'm not defending her. And I've never glomped anyone before so no one get mad at me for glomping without asking. Alright lets go ont with something else.
Quote from: cappeh on November 06, 2007, 12:31:03 AM
oh god you guys calm down and don't get so offended. it's like you're placing 'ho' on the same level as a racial slur. i call everyone hoes.
besides, i don't know why you're defending this chick anyways, lol.
Rather than defending her, they're trying to nicely let you know that you're being an idiot. Obviously you're not supposed to say "ho" on this forum, and it seems you can't get the reason why. Accept it and don't do it again.
I hate getting glomped, but I know it's an inevitability to get glomped or see people getting glomped and suffering. If I get glomped, I expect it to be okay for me to
glomp them back twice as hard.
ugh. yes, i know what a ho is. i'm not 12.
ok, my bad, i didn't realize calling an annoying girl a 'ho' would instigate flames on this board. it doesn't on the forums i usually frequent, but my mistake, won't do it again scout's honor.
but jun, i dunno, shouldn't you refresh your knowledge of the forum rules yourself? lol.
She is clearly aware of the rules here on this forum I think we all do.
IMO you shouldnt have said that word, it's insulting....thats like if I called you a Witch with a B (lol G rated for sure). No one wants to be affiliated with a prostitute. that is a slur against women and very degrading
Sure this is a forum but no one is defending her, just the way you use that word on someone
cappeh, if you look through my posts, i didn't defend anyone. i even said myself that she was in the wrong and even agreed with you in saying that what she did was dumb.
your choice of vocabulary is a different matter.
i am NOT judging anyone, nor do i see it fit for me to do. that's not my job, nor do i believe it is anyone elses. i can, however, judge actions - which is what i did for both the glomper and yourself.
imo i don't think words like that should be taken seriously when used in a manner like i did, and when they are that's the only reason they're offensive. but i know opinions differ and i already said i won't use it again in this forum. so you guys can stop lecturing me plz thk u. <3
no need to be on the defensive side, here.
i'm not lecturing you. just giving my opinion on the matter.
Quote from: Emerge on October 23, 2007, 11:04:34 PM
IMO, the glompee is equally responsible as the glomper. if the glompee is aware of the potential tackle, said person can simply give a heads-up, and ideally it would be avoided.
ideally, yes. But the glomper holds all the responsiblity, and there are plenty of glompers who don't listen. So your ideal honestly is out the window.
Quote from: Stormfalcon on November 02, 2007, 07:51:01 AM
re: the signs thing. What would be better would be that those who want to be glomped bring their own signs stating so. Otherwise, it would be safe to assume that the person in question does not want to be glomped. No expense to the con whatsoever, other than coming down on those glomping folks without a sign giving permission.
YES! EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING!
i think they already exist; people were wandering the halls on sunday night carrying/holding "hug me/glomp me" signs, and they were there in droves.
how about a little corner(and i do mean little) in the hallway set up so if people wanted to be glomped/hugged/whatever, they go stand there and wait for said hug/glompage so they dont end up blocking the walkway; call it a "glomp corner", if you will....
Quote from: otakuapprentice on November 08, 2007, 08:24:45 PM
i think they already exist; people were wandering the halls on sunday night carrying/holding "hug me/glomp me" signs, and they were there in droves.
how about a little corner(and i do mean little) in the hallway set up so if people wanted to be glomped/hugged/whatever, they go stand there and wait for said hug/glompage so they dont end up blocking the walkway; call it a "glomp corner", if you will....
bad idea, I guarentee you, it would devolve into an orgy. At least if the people who I know show up it will XP
true; that's when you get Rovers involved...
or you could just have them standing along the wall and not block peoples' path...
its better than having them block the hallways and create a fire hazard, but thats just me speaking; im sure everyone else wants to burn to a crisp.
Quote from: Kazuko on November 06, 2007, 10:55:18 PM
She is clearly aware of the rules here on this forum I think we all do.
IMO you shouldnt have said that word, it's insulting....thats like if I called you a Witch with a B (lol G rated for sure). No one wants to be affiliated with a prostitute. that is a slur against women and very degrading
Sure this is a forum but no one is defending her, just the way you use that word on someone
I wonder if she's seen this topic, lol. imagine that.
Quote from: Miradori on November 08, 2007, 08:13:27 PM
Quote from: Emerge on October 23, 2007, 11:04:34 PM
IMO, the glompee is equally responsible as the glomper. if the glompee is aware of the potential tackle, said person can simply give a heads-up, and ideally it would be avoided.
ideally, yes. But the glomper holds all the responsiblity, and there are plenty of glompers who don't listen. So your ideal honestly is out the window.
Has anyone tried running? XD Surely I would.
Quote from: Miradori on November 08, 2007, 08:30:50 PM
Quote from: otakuapprentice on November 08, 2007, 08:24:45 PM
i think they already exist; people were wandering the halls on sunday night carrying/holding "hug me/glomp me" signs, and they were there in droves.
how about a little corner(and i do mean little) in the hallway set up so if people wanted to be glomped/hugged/whatever, they go stand there and wait for said hug/glompage so they dont end up blocking the walkway; call it a "glomp corner", if you will....
bad idea, I guarentee you, it would devolve into an orgy. At least if the people who I know show up it will XP
XD an orgy
Quote from: Miradori on November 08, 2007, 08:18:36 PM
Quote from: Stormfalcon on November 02, 2007, 07:51:01 AM
re: the signs thing. What would be better would be that those who want to be glomped bring their own signs stating so. Otherwise, it would be safe to assume that the person in question does not want to be glomped. No expense to the con whatsoever, other than coming down on those glomping folks without a sign giving permission.
YES! EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING!
The only problem here is that there are people who simply don't care and will glomp people anyway. I've seen lots of people get glomped from behind without warning. I doubt glompers who do this are really going to take the time to look for a sign. I'm not saying this applies to all glompers; some are very nice and ask permission beforehand, but those people aren't the ones I have a problem with.
Here's the thing guys... you guys are all trying to think up reasons to privlidge them and to make find ways to allow them to glomp people etc.
When the act should be discouraged all together. Why should the con go out of its way to setup a "glomp corner" or make stickers, or anything like that to help these idiots perform an act that in general should be discouraged.
I seriously don't get why people cannot have a fandom and still be semi-normal about it. Instead people use their fandom as an excuse to jump on complete strangers, because you know, asking for a picture, maybe a hug is far too normal and does not truely display the fandom you have for someone right? Obviously, we have to take it to the next level and tackle someone to show your fandom.
Doesn't make sense. I remember a lot of people getting on my case about how conventions are like a haven to them, since they are treated as weird, and shunned in normal society. Maybe it's because these people can't act in a civilized manner and insist on tackling people and other such acts that society thinks they're weird and they're shunned.
Quote from: PyronIkari on November 09, 2007, 04:40:27 PM
Here's the thing guys... you guys are all trying to think up reasons to privlidge them and to make find ways to allow them to glomp people etc.
When the act should be discouraged all together. Why should the con go out of its way to setup a "glomp corner" or make stickers, or anything like that to help these idiots perform an act that in general should be discouraged.
I seriously don't get why people cannot have a fandom and still be semi-normal about it. Instead people use their fandom as an excuse to jump on complete strangers, because you know, asking for a picture, maybe a hug is far too normal and does not truely display the fandom you have for someone right? Obviously, we have to take it to the next level and tackle someone to show your fandom.
Doesn't make sense. I remember a lot of people getting on my case about how conventions are like a haven to them, since they are treated as weird, and shunned in normal society. Maybe it's because these people can't act in a civilized manner and insist on tackling people and other such acts that society thinks they're weird and they're shunned.
You made it more clear, glomping needs to be banned, lets start a anti-glomp club, how about. Meh lets not it'll just cause more problems.
I said "discouraged" not "banned". The act in itself isn't anything wrong realistically, just, kinda stupid. Stupidity isn't banned, but it is discouraged.
Quote from: PyronIkari on November 09, 2007, 07:43:01 PM
I said "discouraged" not "banned". The act in itself isn't anything wrong realistically, just, kinda stupid. Stupidity isn't banned, but it is discouraged.
It
wasn't wrong, it just got out of hand. A lot of things that happen at cons are stupid, and even though stupid things should be discouraged, it may be the only way for some people to have fun. People like glomping, but hey-- looking into the history, tons of people have been offended, had their personal space invaded, injured, or put in risk of being seriously hurt.
Glomping is fun to some, and that's fine-- but back then, people were more shy and courteous to the idea, doing simple gestures such as politely ASKING and doing it to strictly people they knew. It's a problem now because there's an actual
RISK of hurting someone.
Quote from: PyronIkari on November 09, 2007, 07:43:01 PM
I said "discouraged" not "banned". The act in itself isn't anything wrong realistically, just, kinda stupid. Stupidity isn't banned, but it is discouraged.
oh
Yeah, I mean I would be fine with someone asking first, because that shows some respect. If you just randomly jump onto someone I think it's extreeeemely rude - no respect of them or anyone's "personal space."
I think glomping strangers like that girl did is crazy. It's harrassment. :/
From the aspect of just randomly out of the blue glomping yeah it's not cool to some people. Just realize that it is apart of fanime tradition...hell any anime convention tradition (hey that rhymes lol) and we should take that away from other people. I like to be glomped because it shows that I got a kick ass costume and people like it. I know I don't want to be put into some "glomp corner." Lets say for example that does happen, then you know their are going to be that groups of people that are going to to say f@#k this and break from that so called glomp barrier. It's not because "these people" are weird and want to be seen as weird. It's just something that goes on at anime conventions.
Quote from: narutofan17 on November 10, 2007, 11:31:32 AM
From the aspect of just randomly out of the blue glomping yeah it's not cool to some people. Just realize that it is apart of fanime tradition...hell any anime convention tradition (hey that rhymes lol) and we should take that away from other people. I like to be glomped because it shows that I got a kick ass costume and people like it. I know I don't want to be put into some "glomp corner." Lets say for example that does happen, then you know their are going to be that groups of people that are going to to say f@#k this and break from that so called glomp barrier. It's not because "these people" are weird and want to be seen as weird. It's just something that goes on at anime conventions.
I don't think an activity that hurts quite a few people and aggravates injury or an intrusion of space should be a part of any "tradition." Just because it's a considered a tradition doesn't mean it should automatically be accepted or tolerated. Most of the people in this thread have said they really don't like unasked-for glomping, so why should we have to put up with it just because it's "tradition"? I think anime cons really need to address this problem before some gets hurt really bad--either the glompee, or the glomper from someone punching their lights out after glomping.
QuoteI seriously don't get why people cannot have a fandom and still be semi-normal about it.
I'd say that the majority of people in fandom are semi-normal about it- witness the great number of people at Fanime who do manage to restrain themselves from knocking the stuffing out of their favorite characters.
It's just a few choice idiots that are causing the problem.
Quote from: Kyokun on November 10, 2007, 01:49:16 PM
Quote from: narutofan17 on November 10, 2007, 11:31:32 AM
From the aspect of just randomly out of the blue glomping yeah it's not cool to some people. Just realize that it is apart of fanime tradition...hell any anime convention tradition (hey that rhymes lol) and we should take that away from other people. I like to be glomped because it shows that I got a kick ass costume and people like it. I know I don't want to be put into some "glomp corner." Lets say for example that does happen, then you know their are going to be that groups of people that are going to to say f@#k this and break from that so called glomp barrier. It's not because "these people" are weird and want to be seen as weird. It's just something that goes on at anime conventions.
I don't think an activity that hurts quite a few people and aggravates injury or an intrusion of space should be a part of any "tradition." Just because it's a considered a tradition doesn't mean it should automatically be accepted or tolerated. Most of the people in this thread have said they really don't like unasked-for glomping, so why should we have to put up with it just because it's "tradition"? I think anime cons really need to address this problem before some gets hurt really bad--either the glompee, or the glomper from someone punching their lights out after glomping.
Yes and your right. People shouldn't just randomly just attack people out of the blue. There should be some understanding and it should be brought up and some rules should be set. If rules are set when it comes to glomping then fight won't break out. But to isolate people that won't to glomp or going as far as to get rid of is a little messed up. I'm just tryin to look from both perspectives. I'm not tryin to come off as an a$$ or anything.
Ok so the lesson for today or for eternity is ask b4 you glomp.
Quote from: narutofan17 on November 10, 2007, 06:29:12 PM
Quote from: Kyokun on November 10, 2007, 01:49:16 PM
Quote from: narutofan17 on November 10, 2007, 11:31:32 AM
From the aspect of just randomly out of the blue glomping yeah it's not cool to some people. Just realize that it is apart of fanime tradition...hell any anime convention tradition (hey that rhymes lol) and we should take that away from other people. I like to be glomped because it shows that I got a kick ass costume and people like it. I know I don't want to be put into some "glomp corner." Lets say for example that does happen, then you know their are going to be that groups of people that are going to to say f@#k this and break from that so called glomp barrier. It's not because "these people" are weird and want to be seen as weird. It's just something that goes on at anime conventions.
I don't think an activity that hurts quite a few people and aggravates injury or an intrusion of space should be a part of any "tradition." Just because it's a considered a tradition doesn't mean it should automatically be accepted or tolerated. Most of the people in this thread have said they really don't like unasked-for glomping, so why should we have to put up with it just because it's "tradition"? I think anime cons really need to address this problem before some gets hurt really bad--either the glompee, or the glomper from someone punching their lights out after glomping.
Yes and your right. People shouldn't just randomly just attack people out of the blue. There should be some understanding and it should be brought up and some rules should be set. If rules are set when it comes to glomping then fight won't break out. But to isolate people that won't to glomp or going as far as to get rid of is a little messed up. I'm just tryin to look from both perspectives. I'm not tryin to come off as an a$$ or anything.
I'd say that's a pretty crappy tradition to have for Fanime's reputation.
Again, glomping is fine. No one's asking to stop glomping altogether. It just shouldn't get out of hand.. and if someone really wants to let you know that your costume is cool, they'd come up and TELL you or ask for a picture, rather than doing something that could potentially hurt you or ruin said costume.
And what do you mean by these people not wanting to seem weird or thought of as strange? Why do you think people do these things and try to be so eccentric? Because they want to be different, and because it's different, they feel compelled to do stupid things like this and it becomes extreme as the act is more common... to be even more eccentric. :T
In another sense, if you tone it down a smidgen... it's like a sign of affection, which is even accepted in public, now-a-days. But signs of affection are normally for people you know and are close to.
A glomp corner does seem... really stupid. It's like you're being asked to go to a designated spot to say hello and hug (sorta...). Anyways, if rules are set, I'd expect them to be pretty strict-- not only that, but if one rule is made, a couple others would be made along with it. No one wants to be attend an event and become bound by really strict rules, so rather than PUSHING it until rules are actually set, maybe people can just... tone it down a little so they don't have to be made at all?
And as for speaking for both perspectives, it's like... a kid really wants to eat cake and ice cream, which is fine occasionally, and in small amounts... but eventually, the kid eats more to the extent that it negatively affects his/her health. So one side is trying to have the kid manage to control himself and keep his unhealthy eating habits to a minimum, whereas the kid is whining for more cake and ice cream.
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Quote from: narutofan17 on November 10, 2007, 06:29:12 PM
Quote from: Kyokun on November 10, 2007, 01:49:16 PM
Quote from: narutofan17 on November 10, 2007, 11:31:32 AM
From the aspect of just randomly out of the blue glomping yeah it's not cool to some people. Just realize that it is apart of fanime tradition...hell any anime convention tradition (hey that rhymes lol) and we should take that away from other people. I like to be glomped because it shows that I got a kick ass costume and people like it. I know I don't want to be put into some "glomp corner." Lets say for example that does happen, then you know their are going to be that groups of people that are going to to say f@#k this and break from that so called glomp barrier. It's not because "these people" are weird and want to be seen as weird. It's just something that goes on at anime conventions.
I don't think an activity that hurts quite a few people and aggravates injury or an intrusion of space should be a part of any "tradition." Just because it's a considered a tradition doesn't mean it should automatically be accepted or tolerated. Most of the people in this thread have said they really don't like unasked-for glomping, so why should we have to put up with it just because it's "tradition"? I think anime cons really need to address this problem before some gets hurt really bad--either the glompee, or the glomper from someone punching their lights out after glomping.
Yes and your right. People shouldn't just randomly just attack people out of the blue. There should be some understanding and it should be brought up and some rules should be set. If rules are set when it comes to glomping then fight won't break out. But to isolate people that won't to glomp or going as far as to get rid of is a little messed up. I'm just tryin to look from both perspectives. I'm not tryin to come off as an a$$ or anything.
I'd say that's a pretty crappy tradition to have for Fanime's reputation.
Again, glomping is fine. No one's asking to stop glomping altogether. It just shouldn't get out of hand.. and if someone really wants to let you know that your costume is cool, they'd come up and TELL you or ask for a picture, rather than doing something that could potentially hurt you or ruin said costume.
And what do you mean by these people not wanting to seem weird or thought of as strange? Why do you think people do these things and try to be so eccentric? Because they want to be different, and because it's different, they feel compelled to do stupid things like this and it becomes extreme as the act is more common... to be even more eccentric. :T
In another sense, if you tone it down a smidgen... it's like a sign of affection, which is even accepted in public, now-a-days. But signs of affection are normally for people you know and are close to.
A glomp corner does seem... really stupid. It's like you're being asked to go to a designated spot to say hello and hug (sorta...). Anyways, if rules are set, I'd expect them to be pretty strict-- not only that, but if one rule is made, a couple others would be made along with it. No one wants to be attend an event and become bound by really strict rules, so rather than PUSHING it until rules are actually set, maybe people can just... tone it down a little so they don't have to be made at all?
And as for speaking for both perspectives, it's like... a kid really wants to eat cake and ice cream, which is fine occasionally, and in small amounts... but eventually, the kid eats more to the extent that it negatively affects his/her health. So one side is trying to have the kid manage to control himself and keep his unhealthy eating habits to a minimum, whereas the kid is whining for more cake and ice cream.
@_@ I really didn't mean to piss people off. I didn't know that this was such a big concern and I've gone to Fanime for 4 years T_T. I just thought that was something that people did at anime cons. Yeah, from what I have from everyone and it does sound like it gets out of hand. Just simply start asking people if you want to be glomped and everyone will be happy. No, the person that I was replying that people do it so they can seem weird because they are around the people that are just like them. My opinion is they do it because they are around people like their self and they feel like they can be comfortable around and...well tackle random people and they have to realize that yes these people are into similar things but you still have to realize that these people STILL don't know you. Yeah, you have a point. It is something that friends would do. But if someone came up to me and asked properly then yeah it would be cool. Maybe it because I haven't been glomped out of the blue. People usually asked me or I had a sign on and I saw them coming LOL. Yeah the corner this is stupid. Just let people know that if you want to glomp someone just ask. Plain and simple. So your saying that it's becoming more and more addictive and that people aren't able to control their self anymore which from what I'm hearing from everyone it is getting out of hand. All I'm saying is don't take it from the people that do have the signs and do it the proper way.
My suggestion might not have been the best response after reading all these posts; i haven't been glomped yet, which might have caused me to post what i did.
I'll wait and see what happens come next years' con, and i might change my opinion on the subject.
At least we have an idea on how people feel on this subject. It's something that people aren't comfortable with random people doing out off know where. It's like from that old comic strip Calvin and Hobbes when Calvin came home Hobbes would alway tackle him for no apparent reason except the difference is they were friends. XD
Quote from: narutofan17 on November 10, 2007, 11:31:32 AM
Just realize that it is apart of fanime tradition...hell any anime convention tradition (hey that rhymes lol) and we should take that away from other people.
No it's not.
You've been going to Fanime for four years... I've been going to cons for about a decade. I should write another rant about what's changed in con fandom post 2001. I've already written a huge one about cosplayers/attention whores/and the lack of respect for design and love for characters. Maybe I should write one about general conduct and how post 2001 con-goers seem to lose all sense of reality and think cons are an excuse to act like idiots, have no sense of judgment, and lose all self-control. Hmm... Maybe I'll do that.
Quote from: otakuapprentice on November 10, 2007, 11:11:15 PM
My suggestion might not have been the best response after reading all these posts; i haven't been glomped yet, which might have caused me to post what i did.
I'll wait and see what happens come next years' con, and i might change my opinion on the subject.
same here
Quote from: narutofan17 on November 10, 2007, 11:17:42 PM
At least we have an idea on how people feel on this subject. It's something that people aren't comfortable with random people doing out off know where. It's like from that old comic strip Calvin and Hobbes when Calvin came home Hobbes would alway tackle him for no apparent reason except the difference is they were friends. XD
I love Calvin and Hobbes! :D
Quote from: PyronIkari on November 11, 2007, 05:49:34 AM
Quote from: narutofan17 on November 10, 2007, 11:31:32 AM
Just realize that it is apart of fanime tradition...hell any anime convention tradition (hey that rhymes lol) and we should take that away from other people.
No it's not.
You've been going to Fanime for four years... I've been going to cons for about a decade. I should write another rant about what's changed in con fandom post 2001. I've already written a huge one about cosplayers/attention whores/and the lack of respect for design and love for characters. Maybe I should write one about general conduct and how post 2001 con-goers seem to lose all sense of reality and think cons are an excuse to act like idiots, have no sense of judgment, and lose all self-control. Hmm... Maybe I'll do that.
I say do it. Just realize again that it's not everyone doing this. I just don't want the staff to come up with some rule that takes away from others that do respect the con and do act like they have sense. And I'm mean saying they don't have any sense may be going a little to far. Lost of judgment sound a lot better. Idiot is such a strong word. But yeah I'm all for the rant and I just hope I haven't disrespected anyone here.
Look it's easy. JUST ASK FIRST. No need for signs, stickers, corners. JUST ASK FIRST.
If the person says no, say "Well I like your costume" and have a nice chat with them. If they say yes, then glomp and still try to have a nice conversation with them. Isn't that part of what going to a con is all about? Interacting, talking with people? :-\
Phoenix is right. It'd be much simpler if people just said four words, or something to their extent:
"I CAN HAS GLOMP?"
Seriously. Ask and ye shall receive, or at least the chances are higher. I know I'd actually feel more honored if someone asked before they glomped me, rather than just tackling me out of the blue, regardless of if I'm holding something fragile or edible or not.
Seriously. Once I say yes (IF I say yes), I'm more than ready for tackle-football-esque flying hug attacks. :3
Quote from: JohnnyAR on November 09, 2007, 07:17:30 AM
Quote from: Miradori on November 08, 2007, 08:13:27 PM
Quote from: Emerge on October 23, 2007, 11:04:34 PM
IMO, the glompee is equally responsible as the glomper. if the glompee is aware of the potential tackle, said person can simply give a heads-up, and ideally it would be avoided.
ideally, yes. But the glomper holds all the responsiblity, and there are plenty of glompers who don't listen. So your ideal honestly is out the window.
Has anyone tried running? XD Surely I would.
heh, doesn't always work. Some people take that as a give chase signal, like with dogs. >.< lol gah, If i wasn't so tired i'd write up some basic rules for glomping (I like to glomp, but not harm people, so I know a few basic rules of thumb that are kinda common sense, but whatever) gah, tomorrow I suppose
Quote from: phoenixphire24 on November 12, 2007, 04:01:19 PM
Look it's easy. JUST ASK FIRST. No need for signs, stickers, corners. JUST ASK FIRST.
If the person says no, say "Well I like your costume" and have a nice chat with them. If they say yes, then glomp and still try to have a nice conversation with them. Isn't that part of what going to a con is all about? Interacting, talking with people? :-\
Hear, hear. 100% agree. Wow, you is smarts. ;)
I say anything goes at fanime =).
<-- never been glomped. Happy hunting. =)
Quote from: FinalShadows on November 16, 2007, 07:36:40 PM
I say anything goes at fanime =).
<-- never been glomped. Happy hunting. =)
PyronIkari: Then you won't mind me kicking you in the face a couple of times.
Quote from: FinalShadows on November 16, 2007, 07:36:40 PM
I say anything goes at fanime =).
<-- never been glomped. Happy hunting. =)
>.>;;
Ignore him -_-'
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on November 16, 2007, 10:23:32 PM
Quote from: FinalShadows on November 16, 2007, 07:36:40 PM
I say anything goes at fanime =).
<-- never been glomped. Happy hunting. =)
PyronIkari: Then you won't mind me kicking you in the face a couple of times.
lol
Quote from: JohnnyAR on November 16, 2007, 11:06:39 PM
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on November 16, 2007, 10:23:32 PM
Quote from: FinalShadows on November 16, 2007, 07:36:40 PM
I say anything goes at fanime =).
<-- never been glomped. Happy hunting. =)
PyronIkari: Then you won't mind me kicking you in the face a couple of times.
lol
WHAO!!! which out lol
Evil >_<
I think it's apparent that trolls are not to be fed.
It's okay. I wasn't planning on eating that sandwich anyways.
Oy, glomping isn't always stupid, its how some people act that is. I would just like to point out that I have seen MUCH more stupid things than glomping happen at fanime.
Case in point:
Fanime, 06
Late I believe saturday night/uber early sunday morning, there was a very inebriated man in the halls, where everyone hangs out due to the large amount of otaku with insomnia, who sat down, spread his legs, and told people to kick him in a rather sensitive area for the males, or so I hear. After a short amount of time, there is a large mob, happily treating that area as you would a soccer ball. I have no idea how long this lasts, but I have a fairly good idea that with that night, he is out of the gene pool.
Just because there have been behaviors worse than glomping in the past doesn't invalidate the fact that glomping strangers (or even people you know) without permission is a bad idea. If glomping without permission is how some people are, then I would suggest that those people work on their social skills before going to any gathering whatsoever.
Before someone calls the cops on them.
"Assault is often defined to include not only violence, but any physical contact with another person without their consent. In common law jurisdictions, including England and Wales and the USA, battery is the crime that represents the unlawful physical contact, though this distinction does not exist in all jurisdictions. Exceptions exist to cover unsolicited physical contact which amount to normal social behavior (for example, patting someone on the back): see (in England and Wales) Collins v. Wilcox [1984] 3 All ER 374." Quoted from Wikipedia. Glow added for emphasis.
Glomping is not "normal social behavior". If it was "normal social behavior" people would do it everywhere NOT just at conventions. Thus, glomping a person without their consent is defined as assault and battery.
I hate to be snarky about it, but you HAVE to ask. Otherwise you will be labled "Glomperazzi" (like poperazzi...but with the glomping...ha ha...ok I tried) and the authorities willl be informed.
Have fun, Glomp safely, everyone can enjoy fanime if we respect each other.
So if a bird poops on my head without my consent, then the bird has committed assault. Interesting...
Quote from: BrightHeart76 on November 22, 2007, 08:34:06 AM
"Assault is often defined to include not only violence, but any physical contact with another person without their consent. In common law jurisdictions, including England and Wales and the USA, battery is the crime that represents the unlawful physical contact, though this distinction does not exist in all jurisdictions. Exceptions exist to cover unsolicited physical contact which amount to normal social behavior (for example, patting someone on the back): see (in England and Wales) Collins v. Wilcox [1984] 3 All ER 374." Quoted from Wikipedia. Glow added for emphasis.
Glomping is not "normal social behavior". If it was "normal social behavior" people would do it everywhere NOT just at conventions. Thus, glomping a person without their consent is defined as assault and battery.
The disappointing thing is, most people were aware of the laws against assaults. It started as people glomping only people they knew would be okay with it, namely, friends and people that want that sort of attention. Over the years, seeing how people behave at conventions now-a-days, people assume that EVERYONE has the same mentality where everyone would think it's "cool" to be "open" and glomp people, even if they were complete strangers. And over time, newer people become introduced to the scene and follow their example.
It ISN'T normal social behavior, but most people that attend conventions
reject the idea of "normal". But I think it can be a sign of affection in a normal setting, given the situation justifies it.
Like when I waited for Pyron at the airport when he came back from Japan. I was so excited to see him, I ran (not too fast, since it... was an airport and all) hugged him enough for him to somewhat lose his balance. I'm not sure if that'd be considered glomping, but if it is, then that'd be somewhat of an example how it was acceptable in a normal setting. It also makes sense, since he'd be a close friend and/or lover, and not a complete stranger.
QuoteI hate to be snarky about it, but you HAVE to ask. Otherwise you will be labled "Glomperazzi" (like poperazzi...but with the glomping...ha ha...ok I tried) and the authorities willl be informed.
Have fun, Glomp safely, everyone can enjoy fanime if we respect each other.
There are many things other than glomping that breach the line of respect, at conventions. XD;
Quote from: FinalShadows on November 23, 2007, 01:37:11 PM
So if a bird poops on my head without my consent, then the bird has committed assault. Interesting...
You must be an idiot to think that statement applies at all. Not very clever.
Quote from: FinalShadows on November 23, 2007, 01:37:11 PM
So if a bird poops on my head without my consent, then the bird has committed assault. Interesting...
XD Omigod
You crack me up :{P
Quote from: FinalShadows on November 23, 2007, 01:37:11 PM
So if a bird poops on my head without my consent, then the bird has committed assault. Interesting...
Possibly. I would imagine assault would imply at least the ability to be aware of the action and responsibility of such an act as pooping or glomping. A bird can't really go "I'MMA CHARGIN' MAH POOPZOR" and WILLINGLY attack a person all that intentionally. In a similar sense, a glomp would only be legal if someone asked for it. Otherwise they run the risk of legal action if damage occurs, or even was CLOSE to occurring.
Quote from: zoupzuop2 on November 24, 2007, 05:10:47 PM
Quote from: FinalShadows on November 23, 2007, 01:37:11 PM
So if a bird poops on my head without my consent, then the bird has committed assault. Interesting...
Possibly. I would imagine assault would imply at least the ability to be aware of the action and responsibility of such an act as pooping or glomping. A bird can't really go "I'MMA CHARGIN' MAH POOPZOR" and WILLINGLY attack a person all that intentionally. In a similar sense, a glomp would only be legal if someone asked for it. Otherwise they run the risk of legal action if damage occurs, or even was CLOSE to occurring.
lol, I'MMA CHARGIN MAH POOPZOR! nice one
Well, to the rukia/ichigo and anyone else who got glomped by lea , well im apologizing on her behalf.
you see shes kinda, ya know, uhhh...... not the brightest bulb =( we didnt know she was gonna glomp ya'. and uber sorries again TT_TT sorry sorry sorry and if you're still mad i'll give you cookies? (or pocky?idk. whatever you want thats edible i guess.)
i think the unwritten rule for glomping is do NOT glomp couples.
You're missing the point if you think it's just "couples".
And, I don't know... from that video, it sorta looked like you guys DID know what she was going to do, seeing that it went on for how long? To how many people?
Wow, luckily I never encountered her while I was there. If I saw her coming I'd probably try to dodge.
I never encountered much glomping while I was at Fanime, but it might be because my friends and I were in our own world. Some people just have no common sense ifi they glomp random people...
At least the costume I'm contemplating about doing next year isn't very glompable.
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on December 02, 2007, 11:23:21 PM
You're missing the point if you think it's just "couples".
And, I don't know... from that video, it sorta looked like you guys DID know what she was going to do, seeing that it went on for how long? To how many people?
she doesnt listen >_>;; i was against it.
Quote from: iTSUMOxAi on December 05, 2007, 09:41:30 PM
she doesnt listen >_>;; i was against it.
Yet there's a 6 1/2 minute video on youtube of people laughing and narrarating her actions, put together, sound effects and text added, comments of anyone saying anything logical or remotely negative being deleted.
Yup sounds like you guys were totally against it and tried to stop her.
Quote from: iTSUMOxAi on December 05, 2007, 09:41:30 PM
she doesnt listen >_>;; i was against it.
Right, you were against it while you just stood there enjoying it. Makes sense.
People like you give con-goers a bad rep. Learn to use your head for once. The people at the con aren't there for your enjoyment.
Oh please it's all in good fun
Quote from: Mister_E on December 06, 2007, 08:43:08 AM
Oh please it's all in good fun
No. It's not. Not when people have specifically said they don't want to be glomped. You are ruining THEIR fun at an event THEY paid for.
Quote from: Kyokun on December 06, 2007, 08:52:03 AM
Quote from: Mister_E on December 06, 2007, 08:43:08 AM
Oh please it's all in good fun
No. It's not. Not when people have specifically said they don't want to be glomped. You are ruining THEIR fun at an event THEY paid for.
QFFT. In case it hasn't sunken in for some of you folks, there are those of us who are very uncomfortable with physical contact with strangers, let alone running tackle-hugs. There are cosplayers who don't want their costumes ruined by glomps, either. Glompers, do everyone a favor and get permission before letting loose the tackle-hugs. If you can't get permission, no glomp. How hard is that a concept to think about?
There should be like a separate badge that tells whether the person allows permission for glomping or not =P
Quote from: FinalShadows on December 06, 2007, 09:14:09 AM
There should be like a separate badge that tells whether the person allows permission for glomping or not =P
Nope. That's been ruled out. The best solution is for the prospective glomper to go up and get express permission from their target if they want to glomp them. No permission, no glomp.
Just put/wave your hands in a no reply, I've tryed and it works, or slide to the right or left
Quote from: Mister_E on December 06, 2007, 10:27:28 AM
Just put/wave your hands in a no reply, I've tryed and it works, or slide to the right or left
Why should we have to do that? It'd be better if everyone assumed that no glomping is the rule unless given express permission.
Quote from: Stormfalcon on December 06, 2007, 11:16:49 AM
Quote from: Mister_E on December 06, 2007, 10:27:28 AM
Just put/wave your hands in a no reply, I've tryed and it works, or slide to the right or left
Why should we have to do that? It'd be better if everyone assumed that no glomping is the rule unless given express permission.
Yes but doesn't that take the surprize factor out of the picture
Quote from: Mister_E on December 06, 2007, 01:19:41 PM
Quote from: Stormfalcon on December 06, 2007, 11:16:49 AM
Quote from: Mister_E on December 06, 2007, 10:27:28 AM
Just put/wave your hands in a no reply, I've tryed and it works, or slide to the right or left
Why should we have to do that? It'd be better if everyone assumed that no glomping is the rule unless given express permission.
Yes but doesn't that take the surprize factor out of the picture
Yes, 'cause it's better to surprise someone, causing them to fall over and hurt themselves, than to ask them, just so you can get your jollies.
Or ruin their costume. Or cause them to drop something. Or, for the love of god, infringe on their personal space because they don't want to be touched! Why can't glompers understand that? Some of us just don't want to be grabbed/mauled/touched by strangers! JUST ASK.
I agree with you that there is pain...Now that I think of it, it is a drag to get glomped...
You win this time Dammit!
Well i'm not wearing something that can be damaged by glomping, so Glomp me whenever u guys want xD
I've never been glomped; a few people have asked for hugs here and there, but that's it. I don't think I'd mind being glomped as long as it's not from behind, so I can see the onslaught coming.
Though one of my costumes is going to be a huge challenge for me to make, with a delicate prop and chest accessory. If anyone glomps me while I'm wearing that, I'll probably kick them in the knees. The other three are safe, at least. >.>
Quote from: Ayamachi on December 11, 2007, 01:37:00 AM
I've never been glomped; a few people have asked for hugs here and there, but that's it. I don't think I'd mind being glomped as long as it's not from behind, so I can see the onslaught coming.
Though one of my costumes is going to be a huge challenge for me to make, with a delicate prop and chest accessory. If anyone glomps me while I'm wearing that, I'll probably kick them in the knees. The other three are safe, at least. >.>
Same here I've been hugged, but they didn't want to Hug ME, JUST The Laughing Man, also at the Rave as well, but it was dancing with the Laughing Man But I didn't care them chicks were hot!
So we can pretty much sum this topic up from all that was repeated. Hello, I'm new nice to meet you. :'D
1) Glompers need permission from cosplayers.
2) You absolutely cannot glomp from the back. o_O Won't even give the cosplayer a head start to run or resent it if they see it coming.
3) People get seriously injured. Even people who are sick would love to go to Anime Conventions because it's a very fun event.
4) People carrying food can get it smeared all over their lovely costumes and result into tears or cursing.
5) JUST ASK? LOL?
I will either be barefoot or wearing sandals due to my choice of cosplay. I can just imagine the types of foot injuries that'd possibly come from glomping. Plus, I'm small and even I don't want to admit: fragile. I never sprained anything in my life and I really do not want to feel that pain. Even bruising.
.... The end.
Quote from: Niaro on December 17, 2007, 04:17:05 AM
1) Glompers need permission from everyone.
Fixed your typo.
oh man, i'd freak o.o
I'd be pissed especially if I was that guy who dropped his donut... that's the last straw
Quote from: keirabug on December 17, 2007, 11:21:30 PM
oh man, i'd freak o.o
I'd be pissed especially if I was that guy who dropped his donut... that's the last straw
same here
oh wow, I was the Etna in that video, although she was good and didn't tackle me like everyone else (actually, I didn't even know it was considered a glomp). If she had I would've yelled at her. I second everyone's statements. As someone who's big on personal space I try to treat everyone with respect and ask before hugging or taking pics.
Elevator Ninjas defiantly don't need to happen... EVER!
Quote from: FinalShadows on December 08, 2007, 03:43:16 PM
Well i'm not wearing something that can be damaged by glomping, so Glomp me whenever u guys want xD
Will do..If I remember XP
Are we still on the glomping. It's simple, you either want to be glomped or not. If you want to glomp someone just ask them. If they say no then oh well. Let's just have a good time at fanime...when it's here *wants to go even more* ><
I wonder if Lea, the person on the video that started this thread, goes on the forums?
Quote from: Migi on January 17, 2008, 10:36:56 PM
Elevator Ninjas defiantly don't need to happen... EVER!
What do the elevator ninjas do? Wait around in elevator and annoy anyone that go in it? imagine a buisness man waitiong for the elevator door to open and as soon as it does the ninjas pop out and start poking him.
On glomping,
why hasnt there been a universal glomp notice for con-peeps. like a badge on the arm or a button? kinda like peace tying?
like,..
red= no glomp
blue= ask before glomp
green= please glomp
it might be a bit of a hassle but it would help people not getting upset and hurt, not to mention all the glomp lovers will be left to themselves.
Hell, they could put it on our badges, that way people would have to look, letting all involved know of it happening.
Because it should be common sense. Should we also have a sticker for people that don't want to be punched in the face, groped? A sticker for "Hey I'm easy and will sleep with you" and stuff as well?
It's a lot of extra work, and money that a convention SHOULDN'T have to do for something like "basic courtousy" on behalf of the attendees. The attendees should have common sense... end of.
Put it on our badges? Do you think people go up and stare at your badge then go "OH OKAY!" and then they walk back about 5 feet then run at you and tackle you?
Besides, con management shot down the idea over in the Ideas and Suggestions board anyway, as well as they should.
Like I said before, I'm all for glomping but just in a respectable way and if that person wants to be glomped. If they don't want to be then that's that. Even if they had colored tags that identified you as someone that did or didn't want to be glomped I think that would be awkward because people would be avoiding each other and other that did would be screwing with the people that didn't want to be glomped. On a personal note I wouldn't wear some colored tag. That would make me feel like some kind of fugitive or something. "Avoid the green tag people if you don't want to be glomped"
Quote from: dibbly on January 24, 2008, 06:23:28 PM
On glomping,
why hasnt there been a universal glomp notice for con-peeps. like a badge on the arm or a button? kinda like peace tying?
like,..
red= no glomp
blue= ask before glomp
green= please glomp
it might be a bit of a hassle but it would help people not getting upset and hurt, not to mention all the glomp lovers will be left to themselves.
Hell, they could put it on our badges, that way people would have to look, letting all involved know of it happening.
I already said something like that a few months ago
Quote from: JohnnyAR on January 25, 2008, 09:52:44 AM
Quote from: dibbly on January 24, 2008, 06:23:28 PM
On glomping,
why hasnt there been a universal glomp notice for con-peeps. like a badge on the arm or a button? kinda like peace tying?
like,..
red= no glomp
blue= ask before glomp
green= please glomp
it might be a bit of a hassle but it would help people not getting upset and hurt, not to mention all the glomp lovers will be left to themselves.
Hell, they could put it on our badges, that way people would have to look, letting all involved know of it happening.
I already said something like that a few months ago
It was a
stupid bad idea then, it's still a
stupid bad idea now. Good job.
Quote from: JohnnyAR on January 24, 2008, 02:00:39 PM
Quote from: Migi on January 17, 2008, 10:36:56 PM
Elevator Ninjas defiantly don't need to happen... EVER!
What do the elevator ninjas do? Wait around in elevator and annoy anyone that go in it? imagine a buisness man waitiong for the elevator door to open and as soon as it does the ninjas pop out and start poking him.
I believe elevator ninjas are the annoying people who mash into the elevators and then push every single floor making it impossible for anyone of normal mentality to use the elevator. Why people find this amusing or want to risk pissing off hotel people so much that Fanime is banned from using the hotels in the future is beyond me.
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on January 25, 2008, 10:52:33 AM
Quote from: JohnnyAR on January 25, 2008, 09:52:44 AM
Quote from: dibbly on January 24, 2008, 06:23:28 PM
On glomping,
why hasnt there been a universal glomp notice for con-peeps. like a badge on the arm or a button? kinda like peace tying?
like,..
red= no glomp
blue= ask before glomp
green= please glomp
it might be a bit of a hassle but it would help people not getting upset and hurt, not to mention all the glomp lovers will be left to themselves.
Hell, they could put it on our badges, that way people would have to look, letting all involved know of it happening.
I already said something like that a few months ago
It was a stupid bad idea then, it's still a stupid bad idea now. Good job.
In all truth it is a good, now its not an idea that will work because well...if they dont ask in the first place to "glomp" you, what makes you believe they will check to see if your glompable...and come on, these are the same people who when you tell them not to do something is the first thing they will/want to do. So yes good idea, being able to have effect?...well very unlikely.
Quote from: DemonLordZabuza on January 25, 2008, 11:07:26 AM
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on January 25, 2008, 10:52:33 AM
Quote from: JohnnyAR on January 25, 2008, 09:52:44 AM
Quote from: dibbly on January 24, 2008, 06:23:28 PM
On glomping,
why hasnt there been a universal glomp notice for con-peeps. like a badge on the arm or a button? kinda like peace tying?
like,..
red= no glomp
blue= ask before glomp
green= please glomp
it might be a bit of a hassle but it would help people not getting upset and hurt, not to mention all the glomp lovers will be left to themselves.
Hell, they could put it on our badges, that way people would have to look, letting all involved know of it happening.
I already said something like that a few months ago
It was a stupid bad idea then, it's still a stupid bad idea now. Good job.
In all truth it is a good, now its not an idea that will work because well...if they dont ask in the first place to "glomp" you, what makes you believe they will check to see if your glompable...and come on, these are the same people who when you tell them not to do something is the first thing they will/want to do. So yes good idea, being able to have effect?...well very unlikely.
That makes like... no sense. So you're saying it's still a good idea... even though it wouldn't work, and could possibly cause more problems.
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on January 25, 2008, 01:54:08 PM
That makes like... no sense. So you're saying it's still a good idea... even though it wouldn't work, and could possibly cause more problems.
Summarize of my statement, yes it would be a good idea if we were dealing with a more mature crowd. But since most of the fanime attendee aren't that mature, of course that idea wont work.
I've posted my feelings in several other glomping discusson threads, but I felt the need to add my two cents in. I may not wear elaborate costumes but I've been molested by strangers and hatehatehate having people I'm not intimately familiar with (my family, my best friend.. that's about it) clinging on to me. On top of that, I've been diagnosed with an inner ear disorder that leads to me getting massive vertigo if I so much as turn my head weirdly, and makes me prone to random blackouts or full-on bouts of unconsciousness. The -last- thing I need is someone trying to tackle me for whatever reason.
You'd never run up and throw yourself at a random person in a shopping mall because you like their shoes, or think they have a cool hairstyle. Why the hell should it be any different because they're dressed as your favourite anime character, or in my case because I'm a reasonably well-known moderator for a website they're huge fans of? Yes, people have used that as a reason to try to glomp me, to ask for my autograph, and in one case to steal an empty plastic water bottle I'd just finished drinking from. While that may not have been excessively physical, it still weirded the hell out of me. It happened at AX though, not Fanime.
Like I said, it's all just a matter of respect. If you love someone's costume so much, or the person they're cosplaying as, give them the fucking respect they deserve. Go up and ask them if you can take a photo, or have a big hug. And if they say no, accept that. Don't try to whine, or pout, or look all butthurt. That's also happened to me.
"Can I have a hug?" "Uh, I'd rather not." "oh.. but.. you hate me, don't you?" "I don't even -know- you. But you're not exactly heading towards getting a big gold star in my Good Books."
Quote from: DemonLordZabuza on January 25, 2008, 04:04:42 PM
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on January 25, 2008, 01:54:08 PM
That makes like... no sense. So you're saying it's still a good idea... even though it wouldn't work, and could possibly cause more problems.
Summarize of my statement, yes it would be a good idea if we were dealing with a more mature crowd. But since most of the fanime attendee aren't that mature, of course that idea wont work.
So what you had said applies to nothing. o_0;
Not only that, but why would a "mature" crowd need stickers alerting people to be considerate of who would prefer to be touched, or untouched? And it isn't just Fanime. It's anime conventions in general. If people would stop rejecting the idea of common sense and basic courtesy, this problem wouldn't even exist.
And not I, Pyron, Moonblossom, or anyone else need to repeat the same thing over and over again... I'll make an analogy you might remember.
Asking won't kill you.
I think the funniest thing out of all of this is that the people who you all are complaining about...well don't look at this...heck aren't even at the boards. But not saying it isn't something that should be discuss. By all means, suggestions to make the con better always good :D
Now about the sticker and why a mature crowd would have the stickers...well for the purpose of the stickers. If you have a no don't touch me, then you don't want to be touch. But if you have sure glomp me sticker, it means if you feel incline to hug me then it is ok. Kinda like in the work area you allow some poeple to hug you and others just get a hand shake.
Just like in the real world people have different comfort level with complete strangers. Some don't like to be touched at all due to past experience, others don't really give a damn.
So for those who don't like others to touch them here is your solution. Stay in big groups, people work well as meat shields. If they were to penetrate just report them to the authorities.
Those are my final thoughts and all have a good con...that is four months away...yea
Quote from: DemonLordZabuza on January 25, 2008, 09:03:17 PM
I think the funniest thing out of all of this is that the people who you all are complaining about...well don't look at this...heck aren't even at the boards. But not saying it isn't something that should be discuss. By all means, suggestions to make the con better always good :D
Then why are people arguing about how "it's all just in good fun! What's your problem!" and the fun amusing hate thread that was made towards me about how I hate glompers and they should stay away from me. Or the other posters saying that we should feel flattered if we get glomped?
QuoteNow about the sticker and why a mature crowd would have the stickers...well for the purpose of the stickers. If you have a no don't touch me, then you don't want to be touch. But if you have sure glomp me sticker, it means if you feel incline to hug me then it is ok. Kinda like in the work area you allow some poeple to hug you and others just get a hand shake.
It would be pointless, because in a mature crowd, they would have the courtousy to ask... or motion to see if a response happens, etc. etc. etc.
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So for those who don't like others to touch them here is your solution. Stay in big groups, people work well as meat shields. If they were to penetrate just report them to the authorities.
So the answer to prevent people from forcefully getting close to you and unwanted contact... is to crowd yourself around a bunch of people equally as close as someone who would hug you without warning.
... Huh? Did you just say that?
Quote from: DemonLordZabuza on January 25, 2008, 09:03:17 PM
I think the funniest thing out of all of this is that the people who you all are complaining about...well don't look at this...heck aren't even at the boards. But not saying it isn't something that should be discuss. By all means, suggestions to make the con better always good :D
Now about the sticker and why a mature crowd would have the stickers...well for the purpose of the stickers. If you have a no don't touch me, then you don't want to be touch. But if you have sure glomp me sticker, it means if you feel incline to hug me then it is ok. Kinda like in the work area you allow some people to hug you and others just get a hand shake.
Just like in the real world people have different comfort level with complete strangers. Some don't like to be touched at all due to past experience, others don't really give a damn.
So for those who don't like others to touch them here is your solution. Stay in big groups, people work well as meat shields. If they were to penetrate just report them to the authorities.
Those are my final thoughts and all have a good con...that is four months away...yea
I understand where your coming from but I really don't feel like being slapped with a label. But I do that saying in a big group won't work. That's like a wolf cornering a bunch of sheep. I'm going to laugh if they actually decide to do the sticker thing. I'll laugh because I won't wear them. I don't glomp but I like getting glomped. Not if I had to wear them or I'd get kicked out then I wouldn't have much of a choice but that wouldn't be cool.
Quote from: narutofan17 on January 25, 2008, 11:30:09 PM
I understand where your coming from but I really don't feel like being slapped with a label. But I do that saying in a big group won't work. That's like a wolf cornering a bunch of sheep. I'm going to laugh if they actually decide to do the sticker thing. I'll laugh because I won't wear them. I don't glomp but I like getting glomped. Not if I had to wear them or I'd get kicked out then I wouldn't have much of a choice but that wouldn't be cool.
I think it'd be more laughable if Fanime would actually spend unnecessary funding on something so inane.
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on January 26, 2008, 12:19:49 AM
Quote from: narutofan17 on January 25, 2008, 11:30:09 PM
I understand where your coming from but I really don't feel like being slapped with a label. But I do that saying in a big group won't work. That's like a wolf cornering a bunch of sheep. I'm going to laugh if they actually decide to do the sticker thing. I'll laugh because I won't wear them. I don't glomp but I like getting glomped. Not if I had to wear them or I'd get kicked out then I wouldn't have much of a choice but that wouldn't be cool.
I think it'd be more laughable if Fanime would actually spend unnecessary funding on something so inane.
Yeah I know. That's why I know they won't do it or at least I think they won't do it.
There's also the matter of liability, which was raised in the thread in Ideas and Suggestions. Issuing out tags like those proposed would open FanimeCon to liability issues because of their implicit condoning of glomping, and that's not something they're going to do, nor should they. Quite frankly, they should be booting people out for unwanted glomping since it is technically a crime (unwanted contact, assault, etc.), but unfortunately, they're leaving it as a matter for us to sort for ourselves.
Folks, if you don't know for sure if your target wants to be glomped or not, don't glomp. What's so hard to understand about that?
Quote from: PyronIkari on January 25, 2008, 11:07:35 PM
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So for those who don't like others to touch them here is your solution. Stay in big groups, people work well as meat shields. If they were to penetrate just report them to the authorities.
So the answer to prevent people from forcefully getting close to you and unwanted contact... is to crowd yourself around a bunch of people equally as close as someone who would hug you without warning.
... Huh? Did you just say that?
Haha I laugh thinking you understood how to read things, I guess I was mistaken.
But no to clarify to those who didn't understand. The meat shield isn't complete strangers who would hug you with out warning. Why would I suggest a solution if it would cause more problems? The meat shield is your group of friends. Like in any group, some people are more free with being touched than others in the group. Kinda like how penguins keep warm in snow storms. Except in this case you don't have to rotate positions.
Zabuza, that's still not a logical or feasible option in some cases. I can think of maybe eight or ten people I'm comfortable physically in close quarters with. A few of them will be at Fanime with me, the rest are family members who will be at the opposite side of the continent.
Why not just stop trying to come up with solutions that aid and accommodate the glompers and instead just allow everyone to have the space they need to be comfortable? We shouldn't need "meat shields", that's kind of the whole point of this discussion.
Quote from: DemonLordZabuza on January 26, 2008, 01:27:31 PM
Haha I laugh thinking you understood how to read things, I guess I was mistaken.
But no to clarify to those who didn't understand. The meat shield isn't complete strangers who would hug you with out warning. Why would I suggest a solution if it would cause more problems? The meat shield is your group of friends. Like in any group, some people are more free with being touched than others in the group. Kinda like how penguins keep warm in snow storms. Except in this case you don't have to rotate positions.
You're kidding, right? I think by our responses, we're quite understanding of what you wrote... just somewhat baffled that someone, even with your little tact, could think of an idea as ridiculous as this. How about using some common sense, seeing that... I don't know, RESPECT of other people's space is a simple solution, which had been repeated OVER and OVER and OVER. But from what I've seen, even simple
respect seems to be beyond you. In life, you eventually learn that the best solutions are the simple and most efficient, so before you come up with an idea that could possibly make things
worse, the best advice I could offer you is to... use your head, think logically. It goes a long way.
I'm sorry, but you really need some of that common sense whacked into that thick skull of yours. I'm apologizing because I feel almost guilty, because I feel like I'm lecturing a child with some severe neurological disorder.
Quote from: DemonLordZabuza on January 26, 2008, 01:27:31 PM
Haha I laugh thinking you understood how to read things, I guess I was mistaken.
But no to clarify to those who didn't understand. The meat shield isn't complete strangers who would hug you with out warning. Why would I suggest a solution if it would cause more problems? The meat shield is your group of friends. Like in any group, some people are more free with being touched than others in the group. Kinda like how penguins keep warm in snow storms. Except in this case you don't have to rotate positions.
I'm going to play along because, of god knows what reasoning...
Okay you realize for this to in anyway efficiently work, they'd have to be packed up against you as in literally pressed against you... right? Otherwise, it would only take a little bit of weaving through people if there's like say... a foot gap between people and you for someone to just run through and glomp you. Well unless the glomper is like, REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY FAT. Then they'd probably need a little more room and people wouldn't have to be pressed up against you, but yeah, given even just a foot of space between people, someone can charge their way through rather easilly...
So no, your idea is still stupid in every single which way conceivable.
Now, on to a REALISTIC point. It shouldn't be the average normal person who has to take 500 precautions to prevent stupid people from causing them discomfort(especially since IT IS ILLEGAL TO GLOMP SOMEONE WITHOUT PERMISSION... Battery in the 1st yes, completely illegal, I've had 3 different lawyers tell me this already just in casual conversation because they came across this issue). People should follow basic rules... and laws when it concerns other people. Hell I frankly don't care what people generally do in their own private time or space, but when it affects others directly... then there's a problem. Idiots shouldn't glomp people unless the person clearly states they want to, then it's in their own private right to do so. Harassing someone when they say no, is just as annoying... and rather creepy.
Quote from: PyronIkari on January 26, 2008, 04:51:49 PM
Quote from: DemonLordZabuza on January 26, 2008, 01:27:31 PM
Haha I laugh thinking you understood how to read things, I guess I was mistaken.
But no to clarify to those who didn't understand. The meat shield isn't complete strangers who would hug you with out warning. Why would I suggest a solution if it would cause more problems? The meat shield is your group of friends. Like in any group, some people are more free with being touched than others in the group. Kinda like how penguins keep warm in snow storms. Except in this case you don't have to rotate positions.
I'm going to play along because, of god knows what reasoning...
Okay you realize for this to in anyway efficiently work, they'd have to be packed up against you as in literally pressed against you... right? Otherwise, it would only take a little bit of weaving through people if there's like say... a foot gap between people and you for someone to just run through and glomp you. Well unless the glomper is like, REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY FAT. Then they'd probably need a little more room and people wouldn't have to be pressed up against you, but yeah, given even just a foot of space between people, someone can charge their way through rather easilly...
So no, your idea is still stupid in every single which way conceivable.
Now, on to a REALISTIC point. It shouldn't be the average normal person who has to take 500 precautions to prevent stupid people from causing them discomfort(especially since IT IS ILLEGAL TO GLOMP SOMEONE WITHOUT PERMISSION... Battery in the 1st yes, completely illegal, I've had 3 different lawyers tell me this already just in casual conversation because they came across this issue). People should follow basic rules... and laws when it concerns other people. Hell I frankly don't care what people generally do in their own private time or space, but when it affects others directly... then there's a problem. Idiots shouldn't glomp people unless the person clearly states they want to, then it's in their own private right to do so. Harassing someone when they say no, is just as annoying... and rather creepy.
Battery in the first degree?! Don't you think you taking this a little to the extreme. We all have different comfort zones. Some smaller then others and vice versa. No disrespect but your making it more complicated then it really is. If you don't won't to be glomped the tell them no. If they do it anyway then that gives you the permission to let loose on that individual. If you don't mind then the do it. It's that simple. I really can't see someone going to jail or getting sued for glomping someone.
Quote from: narutofan17 on January 28, 2008, 09:46:31 AM
Battery in the first degree?! Don't you think you taking this a little to the extreme. We all have different comfort zones. Some smaller then others and vice versa. No disrespect but your making it more complicated then it really is. If you don't won't to be glomped the tell them no. If they do it anyway then that gives you the permission to let loose on that individual. If you don't mind then the do it. It's that simple. I really can't see someone going to jail or getting sued for glomping someone.
Actually, yes, it is. But by other people's standards, no one is going to think of it as such a big deal that it'd warrant going out of their way to actually sue them. They have the right and ability to do so, but it's... too much work, and not worth the time. Though, I'm not sure on this but... I don't think it'd apply unless they're over the age of 18, rather, they'd just be stupid kids and get their parents into trouble, instead.
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on January 28, 2008, 10:02:13 AM
Quote from: narutofan17 on January 28, 2008, 09:46:31 AM
Battery in the first degree?! Don't you think you taking this a little to the extreme. We all have different comfort zones. Some smaller then others and vice versa. No disrespect but your making it more complicated then it really is. If you don't won't to be glomped the tell them no. If they do it anyway then that gives you the permission to let loose on that individual. If you don't mind then the do it. It's that simple. I really can't see someone going to jail or getting sued for glomping someone.
Actually, yes, it is. But by other people's standards, no one is going to think of it as such a big deal that it'd warrant going out of their way to actually sue them. They have the right and ability to do so, but it's... too much work, and not worth the time. Though, I'm not sure on this but... I don't think it'd apply unless they're over the age of 18, rather, they'd just be stupid kids and get their parents into trouble, instead.
Seconding this. Besides, when being glomped you don't ALWAYS have the chance to say no. Both myself and my sister who were in mascot costumes last year were glomped from behind. If you can't see them coming, you can't say no, and you can't brace yourself. And she is by no means (and no offense to her by this) built to handle anyone glomping her; she is rather light, and has had major back problems in the past. We both barely avoided being hurt when this happened, and this was at multiple different times throughout the con.
Just use common sense! Ask first! While they may not say yes to a glomp, more than likely they'll say yes to a hug and a picture.
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on January 28, 2008, 10:02:13 AM
Quote from: narutofan17 on January 28, 2008, 09:46:31 AM
Battery in the first degree?! Don't you think you taking this a little to the extreme. We all have different comfort zones. Some smaller then others and vice versa. No disrespect but your making it more complicated then it really is. If you don't won't to be glomped the tell them no. If they do it anyway then that gives you the permission to let loose on that individual. If you don't mind then the do it. It's that simple. I really can't see someone going to jail or getting sued for glomping someone.
Actually, yes, it is. But by other people's standards, no one is going to think of it as such a big deal that it'd warrant going out of their way to actually sue them. They have the right and ability to do so, but it's... too much work, and not worth the time. Though, I'm not sure on this but... I don't think it'd apply unless they're over the age of 18, rather, they'd just be stupid kids and get their parents into trouble, instead.
I understand that they can but I just don't see who would go to that extreme? Maybe I'm just thinking like a 20 year old right now. People 18 and old should know better and know what's right and wrong. If it's like a 12, 13 year old let them be kids. Now I can see you getting worried if it's like some 30 or 40 year old trying to glomp you...you know I take that back, people just need to grasp the concept of personal space and understand that some people don't like that comfort zone broken. Like you said, whether or not that person does press charges is up to them. I just don't see no point if you were hurt.
Quote from: Xeluu on January 28, 2008, 12:12:34 PM
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on January 28, 2008, 10:02:13 AM
Quote from: narutofan17 on January 28, 2008, 09:46:31 AM
Battery in the first degree?! Don't you think you taking this a little to the extreme. We all have different comfort zones. Some smaller then others and vice versa. No disrespect but your making it more complicated then it really is. If you don't won't to be glomped the tell them no. If they do it anyway then that gives you the permission to let loose on that individual. If you don't mind then the do it. It's that simple. I really can't see someone going to jail or getting sued for glomping someone.
Actually, yes, it is. But by other people's standards, no one is going to think of it as such a big deal that it'd warrant going out of their way to actually sue them. They have the right and ability to do so, but it's... too much work, and not worth the time. Though, I'm not sure on this but... I don't think it'd apply unless they're over the age of 18, rather, they'd just be stupid kids and get their parents into trouble, instead.
Seconding this. Besides, when being glomped you don't ALWAYS have the chance to say no. Both myself and my sister who were in mascot costumes last year were glomped from behind. If you can't see them coming, you can't say no, and you can't brace yourself. And she is by no means (and no offense to her by this) built to handle anyone glomping her; she is rather light, and has had major back problems in the past. We both barely avoided being hurt when this happened, and this was at multiple different times throughout the con.
Just use common sense! Ask first! While they may not say yes to a glomp, more than likely they'll say yes to a hug and a picture.
No see, in that aspect I can see someone taking things to the next level with glompers like that. What would had him if your sister would have got hurt. I'm just saying you can't punish the majority for what a handful of people are doing.
Oh, by no means am I saying "Ban Glomping!" I'm just saying that there really needs to be a rule set in place for those situations. Perhaps; and I know this costs Fanime more money that they shouldn't need to spend, they could include in the little bag when you register a sort of General Rules of the Con or some such. I, personally, think that's going a bit to the extreme, but you get the idea.
And I was told by Rovers after the fact last year that I can and should take down their badge number and report them. I will be doing so this year. My sister and I confronted someone who glomped her from behind and almost knocked her over, but obviously they didn't get it, since we saw them run off and do the same thing less than 5 minutes later to someone else.
Unfortunately, glomping is a problem that needs to be addressed. I have no problem with those who ask, but when you don't ask, I'm not going to be very happy if you knock me over and potentially break something in my costume, or part of ME.
See, thats where I stand. I don't agree that we need to get rid of it but people need to be aware of what they are doing may cause harm to some. A set of rules would be decent but do got as far as to label who are the glompers because not all glompers are as crazy. I would say the majority of the time, (about 95%) the person asked me and I agreed. I say the rules are for that 5% that don't ask. BUT, like I said before I have a bias view because I've experience it different. Also, I've been glomped myself a handful of times without me knowing so believe me understand where some of you are coming from. Rules would be good but nothing more than that.
I don't think anyone's suggesting we report people who ask first, glomp, thank you, and wander off. That would be pretty harsh.
"Hey, can I have a big hug?"
"Sure!"
GLOMP
"Hahah I'm reporting you"
People are suggesting that it's the ones with no courtesy or respect who are causing harm (be it physical, emotional, or costume-related damage) that get reported.
No one's aiming to ban glomping, altogether. The action itself isn't the issue. Though, if glomping progressed into such a problem to the extent that it'd need to be BANNED... well, everyone has a problem. Not only will people be strictly monitored, but imagine how troublesome simple physical contact would become? And the people taking advantage of it? And what about the situations where people find glomping okay? Not only would it be unpleasant to con-goers, but it'd be a lot of work on staff.
Quote from: Moonblossom on January 29, 2008, 07:35:20 AM
I don't think anyone's suggesting we report people who ask first, glomp, thank you, and wander off. That would be pretty harsh.
"Hey, can I have a big hug?"
"Sure!"
GLOMP
"Hahah I'm reporting you"
People are suggesting that it's the ones with no courtesy or respect who are causing harm (be it physical, emotional, or costume-related damage) that get reported.
But I'm sure if some people hate glomping that much they would go that far. Some people are that cruel. But I know what you mean. Just ask. It's very simple.
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on January 29, 2008, 09:53:17 AM
No one's aiming to ban glomping, altogether. The action itself isn't the issue. Though, if glomping progressed into such a problem to the extent that it'd need to be BANNED... well, everyone has a problem. Not only will people be strictly monitored, but imagine how troublesome simple physical contact would become? And the people taking advantage of it? And what about the situations where people find glomping okay? Not only would it be unpleasant to con-goers, but it'd be a lot of work on staff.
Now from that aspect if the majority of the the glompers were doing the random attacks on people then I would go that as to banned it but that isn't the case. I'm sure the staff can get volunteers to help out with that. I'm sure there are plenty of people that would just love to volunteer at fanime if they got the chance.
Quote from: narutofan17 on January 30, 2008, 04:00:50 PM
Now from that aspect if the majority of the the glompers were doing the random attacks on people then I would go that as to banned it but that isn't the case. I'm sure the staff can get volunteers to help out with that. I'm sure there are plenty of people that would just love to volunteer at fanime if they got the chance.
It doesn't take a majority. It only takes one idiot to ruin something for everyone else because they don't care to listen.
Quote from: PyronIkari on January 30, 2008, 06:38:54 PM
Quote from: narutofan17 on January 30, 2008, 04:00:50 PM
Now from that aspect if the majority of the the glompers were doing the random attacks on people then I would go that as to banned it but that isn't the case. I'm sure the staff can get volunteers to help out with that. I'm sure there are plenty of people that would just love to volunteer at fanime if they got the chance.
It doesn't take a majority. It only takes one idiot to ruin something for everyone else because they don't care to listen.
So your saying if one person does something then everyone must suffer? I'm just making sure I read it right.
Quote from: narutofan17 on January 31, 2008, 03:26:00 PMSo your saying if one person does something then everyone must suffer? I'm just making sure I read it right.
No, I'm saying, in the real world, that happens a lot. One person can fuck up things for everyone. Frankly, I don't give a damn if glompers want to glomp each other, want to sodomize each other, want to cut each other up, or whatever they want to do. However, that's for them to do in their own privacy, on their own time.
Okay let's put it this way. If you were at McDonalds, and you saw someone, a friend even, that you really care about, would you run and tackle them?
If you were at school? If you were on the street? If you were at a concert? If you were ANYWHERE else?
For the most part, no, people wouldn't. With rare exceptions like at airports or trainstations and the such when people haven't seen each other for long periods of times, and ESPECIALLY NEVER TO STRANGERS.
In most cases, the one that enjoy things like this, and do it, and like it done to them by strangers, and the such are one of two kinds of people.
Anti-social losers that don't get human contact otherwise because people don't like them for being anti-social losers...
and
attention whores.
Blah blah there are exceptions I know, but it's the majority. Seriously... Why? Why would you do it? Because it's fun...? Why? Because You enjoy hugging random complete strangers? You see in the majority of the world... that's considered creepy. Maybe that's why you're an anti-social loser that people don't like.
Quote from: PyronIkari on January 31, 2008, 07:02:11 PM
Quote from: narutofan17 on January 31, 2008, 03:26:00 PMSo your saying if one person does something then everyone must suffer? I'm just making sure I read it right.
No, I'm saying, in the real world, that happens a lot. One person can fuck up things for everyone. Frankly, I don't give a damn if glompers want to glomp each other, want to sodomize each other, want to cut each other up, or whatever they want to do. However, that's for them to do in their own privacy, on their own time.
Okay let's put it this way. If you were at McDonalds, and you saw someone, a friend even, that you really care about, would you run and tackle them?
If you were at school? If you were on the street? If you were at a concert? If you were ANYWHERE else?
For the most part, no, people wouldn't. With rare exceptions like at airports or trainstations and the such when people haven't seen each other for long periods of times, and ESPECIALLY NEVER TO STRANGERS.
In most cases, the one that enjoy things like this, and do it, and like it done to them by strangers, and the such are one of two kinds of people.
Anti-social losers that don't get human contact otherwise because people don't like them for being anti-social losers...
and
attention whores.
Blah blah there are exceptions I know, but it's the majority. Seriously... Why? Why would you do it? Because it's fun...? Why? Because You enjoy hugging random complete strangers? You see in the majority of the world... that's considered creepy. Maybe that's why you're an anti-social loser that people don't like.
fanime
is a special place, meeting new friends, getting excited and "geeking out" and finding like minded minds. these anti social losers and attention whores make up a lot of this culture. just know you're
walking into and among these people that people don't like.
The thing is, Fanime didn't use to be like that, nor should it have become like that in terms of the glomping. Yeah, we're not exactly the most popular socially as anime (or any sort of media) fans, but that doesn't give people the excuse to wallow in it to the point of breaking laws (and yes, that's exactly what unwanted/unsolicited glomping is...a crime).
Quote from: dibbly on February 02, 2008, 03:01:50 AM
fanime is a special place, meeting new friends, getting excited and "geeking out" and finding like minded minds. these anti social losers and attention whores make up a lot of this culture. just know you're walking into and among these people that people don't like.
No it's not. Yes, it is a place to find like minded people, meet new friends and the such... but it doesn't mean people can nor should act like idiots. Going to a con isn't an excuse to act like social boundries and somewhat respectable behavior don't exist.
And... "walking into and among these people"... No. Sorry but I've been attending conventions for longer than half of most of these people have been alive. It wasn't until post 2000 that people started acting like this. Even in the earlier days(Pre 2000) there were a lot of people that didn't know about the culture, and the such, but for the most part, people were respectable and realistic with action. The only "signs"I saw were those that had a legitimate reason for existing. Informing people of gatherings, or letting people know about events going on. Pointing out where different things were. Cosplayers were extremely rare, and the cosplayers that did exist were cosplayers that actually respected and loved the characters they were cosplaying. I could sit down with any cosplayer and talk to them about the series/the characters of whatever they were cosplaying from for hours.
And most importantly, people did not run at complete strangers and tackle them. People did not try to go up and hug complete strangers because "I LOVE THAT CHARACTER!" People asked to take pictures and were really polite. Sure, people would deviate into their own groups and mess around act like idiots within their own groups, but that was their own time and in their own circles.
Then post 2000, when JP cartoons and comics started to explode in the western world. Network TV airing it, and the big "Manga" boom in book stores and the such. And the idiots kept growing. Coincidentally, 2000 is the year with the largest increase in attendance for AX.
So no, we aren't going to where a bunch of idiots are. A bunch of idiots are going to where we are, and not bothering to try and be socially acceptable, or not acting like idiots.
Thats what spiked armor is for *grins wickedly*
Actually, I don't mind being glomped, as long as there's ample warning.
I don't like being goosed or tickled though. (luckily, since i wasnt able to finish my Sephiroth costume, I shouldn't get geesed at all).
But passion born of an outfit isnt true passion, is it?
I agree, the glomping of complete strangers gives con goers a bad rep. The signs for free hugs and free kisses (funny story - see below) probably arise out of being needy and never getting attention otherwise. This stuff tends to die down after ten when most of the youngins head home, and the con takes a bit more of a civilized tone. its tolerated because they make up the demographic of those coming into the con with money that they ABSOLUTELY want to spend on 4 dollar key chains and DVDs and plushie dolls and other ridiculously overpriced accoutrements of anime and manga.
i personally dont like it, but eh, live and let live so long as you dont try to glomp and get slime all over me. I dont want to smell your BO, I dont want to hear the ultra-high-pitch squeal you emit mid glomp, especially at close range.
Quote from: THEBROTHERHOOD_CEO on February 03, 2008, 11:11:32 AMi personally dont like it, but eh, live and let live so long as you dont try to glomp and get slime all over me. I dont want to smell your BO, I dont want to hear the ultra-high-pitch squeal you emit mid glomp, especially at close range.
That's exactly what we're concerned about though. If Congoer A and Congoer B want to glomp each other in a corner, I have no issues with that. However, if Congoer A decides they want to glomp me, or Jun, or Pyron, or you, or any of us who find it uncomfortable or downright abhorrent, they should accept the fact that it's inappropriate and should not be done.
Quote from: THEBROTHERHOOD_CEO on February 03, 2008, 11:11:32 AM
I agree, the glomping of complete strangers gives con goers a bad rep. The signs for free hugs and free kisses (funny story - see below) probably arise out of being needy and never getting attention otherwise. This stuff tends to die down after ten when most of the youngins head home, and the con takes a bit more of a civilized tone. its tolerated because they make up the demographic of those coming into the con with money that they ABSOLUTELY want to spend on 4 dollar key chains and DVDs and plushie dolls and other ridiculously overpriced accoutrements of anime and manga.
i personally dont like it, but eh, live and let live so long as you dont try to glomp and get slime all over me. I dont want to smell your BO, I dont want to hear the ultra-high-pitch squeal you emit mid glomp, especially at close range.
Uhm.. It's usually the 14-20 yr olds that have the signs. You know... the awkward teen years where attention is craved and social outcasts hate the world.
Post 10 is the worst. That's when the worst of them are out, even if the numbers are less. THat's when the really creepy ones harass girls and have the least amount of shame.
well, what do you do suggest be done about it?
you could run away, but i like to hold my ground, and why should I have to run from creepy glompers?
I guess you could shout "DONT FUCKING TOUCH ME" but then you end up looking like a spaz. Then everyone looks at you like you're the asshole, not the crazy bitch molesting you.
You could kick them in the nuts. But there is always the if the person complains, you could have your badge stripped for defending yourself while being groped, though you are WELL WITHIN your rights to do so, and that is absolutely terrible.
So what is to be done?
Quote from: THEBROTHERHOOD_CEO on February 03, 2008, 04:21:46 PM
well, what do you do suggest be done about it?
you could run away, but i like to hold my ground, and why should I have to run from creepy glompers?
I guess you could shout "DONT FUCKING TOUCH ME" but then you end up looking like a spaz. Then everyone looks at you like you're the asshole, not the crazy bitch molesting you.
You could kick them in the nuts. But there is always the if the person complains, you could have your badge stripped for defending yourself while being groped, though you are WELL WITHIN your rights to do so, and that is absolutely terrible.
So what is to be done?
Could you please watch you're language? Also, the threats of violence (i.e. kick them in the...) really do nothing for your argument.
a thousand apologies. but it is the sentiment that matters, the essence of the argument, is that being creepy and otherwise socially uncouth has become the status quo, and if you object, it is YOU who is to blame, not the complete stranger who is attempting to smother you.
Quote from: THEBROTHERHOOD_CEO on February 03, 2008, 06:04:47 PM
a thousand apologies. but it is the sentiment that matters, the essence of the argument, is that being creepy and otherwise socially uncouth has become the status quo, and if you object, it is YOU who is to blame, not the complete stranger who is attempting to smother you.
EXCUSE ME?! It is
I who should be blamed? Where did you read my opinion on the matter? Who are YOU to judge me!?
I do not support random glomping. I never have. I have an issue with people touching me without permission. Not that you bothered to find that out before you accused me.
My problem with YOU CEO is obvious to any rational human being. I asked you to watch your language and not threaten violence. A lot of people have filters that will block this site if there is a lot of foul language and I personally find threats of violence as vile as the threat of being power glomped. I won't waste my time being nice enough to ask you to watch your language again. I'll just report you to the Mod.
Quote from: THEBROTHERHOOD_CEO on February 03, 2008, 06:04:47 PM
a thousand apologies. but it is the sentiment that matters, the essence of the argument, is that being creepy and otherwise socially uncouth has become the status quo, and if you object, it is YOU who is to blame, not the complete stranger who is attempting to smother you.
Ah, and the obvious base of the person comes out, despite trying to hide it behind his grammar and speech.
If you had read this thread, or any of the like threads, you'd know the majority of our stances on this. You really are a socially inept boy, so it makes so much sense why you post the way you do, and why you're setting up this little "Brotherhood". This little superiority complex and everything, it's really quite pathetic, and frankly, it might fool some people, but for a lot of people it doesn't hide your ineptness.
It's not true that it has become the satus quo, it's that most of the normal people don't talk or care to do anything, and usually just ignore it, even if something does happen to them. They just don't speak up or make an issue out of it because they're either lazy or don't care enough to do so. I'm curious as to how or why you think you know so much about the state of conventions, the trends, etc. when you don't know much outside of attending for what, 2 years you said it was? I've been attending since I was 14, I know people that work at AX, Fanime, Acen, Otakon, Akon, and a number of other conventions, some of them being chairs. I know a lot of higher ups, and I get numbers and I've seen changes over the past decade.
I've been every part of a convention, a dealer, a contributor, an attendee, a staff member, a "volunteer", a background worker...
What do you do about this problem? What you can. You cannot stop people from action, but you can let them know that they shouldn't do it. If you've read this thread and the others, you would know that people have given many options of why and why they would not work. You'd realize that glomping someone without permission is battery. And that person has every right to press charges if they can prove that something happened in result. A damaged costume, someone that has psychological issues against contact, etc. Conventions discourage the action, but they can't stop someone from doing it. If someone does it, report it, the con will remove them.
But as I said, if someone glomps you and you react by punching then in the face... you have sel...
WAIT A MINUTE... AREN'T YOU PRE-LAW?!??!?!?! SHOULDN'T YOU KNOW THIS?!??!?!?!
Quote from: THEBROTHERHOOD_CEO on February 03, 2008, 06:04:47 PM
a thousand apologies. but it is the sentiment that matters, the essence of the argument, is that being creepy and otherwise socially uncouth has become the status quo, and if you object, it is YOU who is to blame, not the complete stranger who is attempting to smother you.
You know, I don't even need to spend the effort addressing how ridiculous your posts are, or how disturbing of a person you come off as. You might have a fun time making a fool of yourself on the forums and in public by making irrational statements and disgustingly pathetic insults, but I'll just sum it up into one sentence.
You are an idiot.
As for all your pointless inquiry, for the sake of argument, you could... you know, read the rest of the thread?
im a regular hannibal lecter.
and carebear, i was being rhetorical when i said you were to blame. read the sentance again, and compare it to the post previous. you will see that I am actually quite anti-glomper. perhaps you should taper your sensibilities so that they are not so delicate - even if i wasnt actually on your side, if i were to insult you, as you can see i have been insulted on this very thread and others, you have to develop a thick skin.
you have to realize that the Internet is a jungle, a place where expression is by and large untamed; people like jun or pyron troll around and act like they own it. its amazing how much spare time people have. you just have to get used to them.
as for my language, i cleaned it up. as for the violence you refer to, when someone is battering you, as someone else put it, you have the right to defend yourself, but it might not stop trouble from falling around your head.
Quote from: THEBROTHERHOOD_CEO on February 03, 2008, 09:32:40 PM
im a regular hannibal lecter.
Hannibal Lecter was a genius... you sir are the opposite end of the spectrum.
Quoteand carebear, i was being rhetorical when i said you were to blame. read the sentance again, and compare it to the post previous. you will see that I am actually quite anti-glomper. perhaps you should taper your sensibilities so that they are not so delicate - even if i wasnt actually on your side, if i were to insult you, as you can see i have been insulted on this very thread and others, you have to develop a thick skin.
Obviously, I know that was your stance. Now here's the issue, everything you said was already covered, and unlike you we can talk about things without bringing up retarded circular logic and inferences.
Quote
you have to realize that the Internet is a jungle, a place where expression is by and large untamed; people like jun or pyron troll around and act like they own it. its amazing how much spare time people have. you just have to get used to them.
Oh really. You haven't a clue what trolling is, if you think this is trolling. Showing you how you are wrong, and not stupidly accepting it, doesn't mean I'm trolling.
Quoteas for my language, i cleaned it up. as for the violence you refer to, when someone is battering you, as someone else put it, you have the right to defend yourself, but it might not stop trouble from falling around your head.
Really, because we have this problem at conventions all the time.
Quote from: THEBROTHERHOOD_CEO on February 03, 2008, 09:32:40 PM
im a regular hannibal lecter.
and carebear, i was being rhetorical when i said you were to blame. read the sentance again, and compare it to the post previous. you will see that I am actually quite anti-glomper. perhaps you should taper your sensibilities so that they are not so delicate - even if i wasnt actually on your side, if i were to insult you, as you can see i have been insulted on this very thread and others, you have to develop a thick skin.
you have to realize that the Internet is a jungle, a place where expression is by and large untamed; people like jun or pyron troll around and act like they own it. its amazing how much spare time people have. you just have to get used to them.
as for my language, i cleaned it up. as for the violence you refer to, when someone is battering you, as someone else put it, you have the right to defend yourself, but it might not stop trouble from falling around your head.
Good Lord, I can't believe I'm wasting more time on you. But here I go.
First off, my handle is not carebear. If you're going to refer to me at least bother to use the right handle.
Second. No I don't have to "taper my sensibilities" (whatever THAT'S supposed to mean). You accused me baselessly. I defended myself. Grow up. I think that's the base of my problem with you. You THINK you are important and mature and I don't know... special. But, at least to those of us on the board, you're not. You're an annoying little jerk with delusions of grandeur.
Keep ranting and claiming moral superiority (or whatever it is you do) for all I care. I'm sure you'll post some useless response to this, I'm not going to waste the time to read it. I've wasted more then enough of my good time on the bad waste of space you are.
uh..... m'kay.
Things that need not happen at Fanime: The Brotherhood showing up, i have nothing personal against this cult/gang/bunch of morons, but it would be a nicer event knowing they are not there.
::)
None of us really care about the comments posted here, so why get upset over nothing? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, so lets try and stay on topic.
Things that need to not happen at Fanime (this title hurts my brain by the way) <insert over used "Grammar Time" animated gif here>:
1. Disorganized line staff.
- Last year not only were they disorganized but they were rude and uninformed of even the most basic Fanime Con line faqs, i.e. "Can I hold a place in line for my friend?," "What happens to my spot if I need to use the restroom?" etc, etc. I had the most trouble in the Masquerade line where they had to reverse certain parts of the line in order to straighten out the direction it was heading, this in turn was upsetting because it then placed people who had waited much longer in the front, now in the back. If they had been paying attention to the line ahead of time, we could have prevented this little mishap. This year, a little improvement will go a long way.
personally i only glomp people with a GLOMP ME SIGN but i dont know if i want a bunch of random ppl glomping me 4 my costume
Quote from: YoureMyHiro on February 05, 2008, 01:11:02 PM
None of us really care about the comments posted here, so why get upset over nothing? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, so lets try and stay on topic.
thank you=)
seeing people sleep in the hallways. it makes me sad that they aren't getting healthy sleep.
I can't believe we're even on the topic still....=_=
Quote from: dibbly on February 05, 2008, 07:13:17 PM
Quote from: YoureMyHiro on February 05, 2008, 01:11:02 PM
None of us really care about the comments posted here, so why get upset over nothing? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, so lets try and stay on topic.
thank you=)
seeing people sleep in the hallways. it makes me sad that they aren't getting healthy sleep.
they probably stay up late because they are a night person. I like being outside at night
Quote from: JohnnyAR on February 09, 2008, 08:31:41 PM
Quote from: dibbly on February 05, 2008, 07:13:17 PM
Quote from: YoureMyHiro on February 05, 2008, 01:11:02 PM
None of us really care about the comments posted here, so why get upset over nothing? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, so lets try and stay on topic.
thank you=)
seeing people sleep in the hallways. it makes me sad that they aren't getting healthy sleep.
they probably stay up late because they are a night person. I like being outside at night
LEARN TO READ... PLEASE... I BEG OF YOU.
She isn't saying anything about people staying up late... she's talking about people that sleep in the hallways, because they're too cheap to get a hotel room or otherwise. Sleeping in the hallways, on the complimentary chairs, in video rooms, under stairwells, under tables, etc. etc. etc. is bad for the person, and against the rules of the convention/hotels.
Not people that stay up late, and sleep during the days. They are fine.
Quote from: PyronIkari on October 22, 2007, 09:22:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RxL8DLsEuc&eurl=http://lj-toys.com/?journalid=2454569&moduleid=3&auth_token=sessionless:1193112000:embedcontent:2454569%26
Dead serious, if this girl touched me(thank god I wasn't in a costume she recognized/liked) I would have decked her in the face. This is exactly what I was talking about in the forums previously. People that have absolutely no self-control nor respect. They think it's perfectly okay to run and jump onto people they don't know merely because they have a costume on? You can obviously tell at least one of those people were disgusted when she jumped on them, yet... these people still think it's fun and cute?
You're being too much of a scrooge! its innocent fun its not like its rape xD
Quote from: punk_parfait on October 24, 2007, 02:20:12 PM
Quote from: otakuapprentice on October 24, 2007, 02:06:34 PMits not that its bad or anything, just that some people dont know exactly how much force they are putting into said glomp itself.
Some may be careful when they go for a glomp, but there are some that go into it like they're trying out for the high school football team: full force without thinking.
This is true... people don't embrace people randomly on the street and if they do it's not really well received so I'm not sure why this happens at cons so much. I suppose I'm just used to it.
thats the spirit of con.=D is con like walking in the street? no, people have costumes and generally expect to even have their pictures taken with random people and more or less meet/be amongst other fans. You can't tell me you can compare that to an average walk down the street.
Please, read the previous eleven pages of this thread, and you will understand that to some of us IT IS NOT FUN. It's offensive, upsetting, a violation of personal space to some of us.
And it is in no way the "spirit of the con" (whatever the hell that's supposed to be). It's only been an issue for the past few years. Fanime has been around much longer than that and glomping wasn't a problem until after we moved to the San Jose Convention Center.
Quote from: Mana_riot on February 11, 2008, 05:23:30 PM
Quote from: punk_parfait on October 24, 2007, 02:20:12 PM
Quote from: otakuapprentice on October 24, 2007, 02:06:34 PMits not that its bad or anything, just that some people dont know exactly how much force they are putting into said glomp itself.
Some may be careful when they go for a glomp, but there are some that go into it like they're trying out for the high school football team: full force without thinking.
This is true... people don't embrace people randomly on the street and if they do it's not really well received so I'm not sure why this happens at cons so much. I suppose I'm just used to it.
thats the spirit of con.=D is con like walking in the street? no, people have costumes and generally expect to even have their pictures taken with random people and more or less meet/be amongst other fans. You can't tell me you can compare that to an average walk down the street.
Being asked for pictures or meeting with people is not the issue. It's people who are touching, jumping on, hugging, and otherwise tackling others (aka glomping). We're also not talking about glompers who ask permission. This is about glompers who do so without asking the person first, risking damage to costumes and possible injury to the person being glomped. There's also those of us who DO NOT WANT TO BE TOUCHED BY STRANGERS. I don't care if this is a con or walking down the street. I enjoy my personal space!
It won't feel like Fanime anymore if glomping is banned. Sure, I never liked it myself, but it's hilarious to watch it happen to other people. x3
Aren't signs banned as well? Last year, we tried having our usual crazy late night Fanime fun, (basically doing any crazy shit we wanted to) and for the first time in years, we were yelled at. Fanime just isn't fun anymore.
Take it from someone who's been going to Fanime since the Foothill days in the early '90s: glomping and signs are not what made Fanime what it is. Taking them away will not detract from what Fanime is. In fact, glomping and signs have made Fanime worse over the past few years and taking them away will serve to make things better once again. It's all about respect for your fellow fans.
Quote from: Stormfalcon on February 20, 2008, 11:55:14 PM
Take it from someone who's been going to Fanime since the Foothill days in the early '90s: glomping and signs are not what made Fanime what it is. Taking them away will not detract from what Fanime is. In fact, glomping and signs have made Fanime worse over the past few years and taking them away will serve to make things better once again. It's all about respect for your fellow fans.
It may not make Fanime what it is in your eyes, but for me, Fanime was all about crazy fun. Not anal rules and regulations.
Quote from: Long on February 21, 2008, 12:01:27 AM
Quote from: Stormfalcon on February 20, 2008, 11:55:14 PM
Take it from someone who's been going to Fanime since the Foothill days in the early '90s: glomping and signs are not what made Fanime what it is. Taking them away will not detract from what Fanime is. In fact, glomping and signs have made Fanime worse over the past few years and taking them away will serve to make things better once again. It's all about respect for your fellow fans.
It may not make Fanime what it is in your eyes, but for me, Fanime was all about crazy fun. Not anal rules and regulations.
I'm not sure what "anal rules and regulations" you're talking about. The rules that exist, exist for the safety of your fellow Con attendees.
Also, you said:
Quote from: Long on February 20, 2008, 11:46:00 PM
Last year, we tried having our usual crazy late night Fanime fun, (basically doing any crazy shit we wanted to) and for the first time in years, we were yelled at.
Doing "any crazy shit we wanted to" =/= Fanime. I'm not sure
what you got yelled at for, but it was probably with good reason.
Most of what people have stated here is that they want their SAFETY and not to feel like they've just had their personal space invaded/assaulted. Common sense says ask before you glomp/hug/etc. That's ALL we're asking for.
Unfortunately though, sometimes all it takes is one person to ruin other people's fun.
Quote from: Long on February 21, 2008, 12:01:27 AM
Quote from: Stormfalcon on February 20, 2008, 11:55:14 PM
Take it from someone who's been going to Fanime since the Foothill days in the early '90s: glomping and signs are not what made Fanime what it is. Taking them away will not detract from what Fanime is. In fact, glomping and signs have made Fanime worse over the past few years and taking them away will serve to make things better once again. It's all about respect for your fellow fans.
It may not make Fanime what it is in your eyes, but for me, Fanime was all about crazy fun. Not anal rules and regulations.
Crazy fun for you that may end up equalling emotional or physical discomfort for another? How is that fun and fair?
Fanime is about having fun, but it can be taken a little too far. I've never been glomped in my four years cosplaying at Fanime, but it seems like it would be annoying to be on the recieving end of one. I'm not that strong either, that girl might have knocked me over if she expected me to catch her.
The second one where she hugs Naruto and even kisses him. That's what I want. :D
I could not believe my eyes last year with the amount of "Hug Me," "Kiss Me," and the even more popular "Glomp Me," signs that were going around, especially Saturday night. If you are wearing one, expect people to really get into it and nearly tackle you.
However, running and jumping ontop of your favorite character if they do not invite you to do so should be kept to a reasonable level this year. So, I concur with you.
I cannot view the YouTube video ant the moment, but I do remember that someone accidentally broke a piece of another cosplayer's costumer by jumping/tackling them. That was not a good idea. -.-;;
Quote from: Xeluu on February 21, 2008, 01:48:28 AM
Quote from: Long on February 21, 2008, 12:01:27 AM
Quote from: Stormfalcon on February 20, 2008, 11:55:14 PM
Take it from someone who's been going to Fanime since the Foothill days in the early '90s: glomping and signs are not what made Fanime what it is. Taking them away will not detract from what Fanime is. In fact, glomping and signs have made Fanime worse over the past few years and taking them away will serve to make things better once again. It's all about respect for your fellow fans.
It may not make Fanime what it is in your eyes, but for me, Fanime was all about crazy fun. Not anal rules and regulations.
I'm not sure what "anal rules and regulations" you're talking about. The rules that exist, exist for the safety of your fellow Con attendees.
Also, you said:
Quote from: Long on February 20, 2008, 11:46:00 PM
Last year, we tried having our usual crazy late night Fanime fun, (basically doing any crazy shit we wanted to) and for the first time in years, we were yelled at.
Doing "any crazy shit we wanted to" =/= Fanime. I'm not sure what you got yelled at for, but it was probably with good reason.
Most of what people have stated here is that they want their SAFETY and not to feel like they've just had their personal space invaded/assaulted. Common sense says ask before you glomp/hug/etc. That's ALL we're asking for.
Unfortunately though, sometimes all it takes is one person to ruin other people's fun.
I got yelled at because we were hiding behind a table desk thing for hide-and-seek. I don't glomp or hug anyone because I have contact issues, but it is normal con fare. I would expect it. When it happens to me, I don't get pissed. I agree that they should ask first though. But banning it entirely is idiotic. And what's up with the sign thing? Did someone make pornographic signs or something?
Doing "any crazy shit we wanted to" = Fanime. For me at least. Everyone has their own definition of Fanime. Mine is different than yours. Deal with it.
And you're right. It does only take one person to ruin other people's fun. Like the idiot who decided all cons should be anal-retentive cesspits with no joy of freedom.
Quote from: Long on February 21, 2008, 02:56:29 PM
Quote from: Xeluu on February 21, 2008, 01:48:28 AM
Quote from: Long on February 21, 2008, 12:01:27 AM
Quote from: Stormfalcon on February 20, 2008, 11:55:14 PM
Take it from someone who's been going to Fanime since the Foothill days in the early '90s: glomping and signs are not what made Fanime what it is. Taking them away will not detract from what Fanime is. In fact, glomping and signs have made Fanime worse over the past few years and taking them away will serve to make things better once again. It's all about respect for your fellow fans.
It may not make Fanime what it is in your eyes, but for me, Fanime was all about crazy fun. Not anal rules and regulations.
I'm not sure what "anal rules and regulations" you're talking about. The rules that exist, exist for the safety of your fellow Con attendees.
Also, you said:
Quote from: Long on February 20, 2008, 11:46:00 PM
Last year, we tried having our usual crazy late night Fanime fun, (basically doing any crazy shit we wanted to) and for the first time in years, we were yelled at.
Doing "any crazy shit we wanted to" =/= Fanime. I'm not sure what you got yelled at for, but it was probably with good reason.
Most of what people have stated here is that they want their SAFETY and not to feel like they've just had their personal space invaded/assaulted. Common sense says ask before you glomp/hug/etc. That's ALL we're asking for.
Unfortunately though, sometimes all it takes is one person to ruin other people's fun.
I got yelled at because we were hiding behind a table desk thing for hide-and-seek. I don't glomp or hug anyone because I have contact issues, but it is normal con fare. I would expect it. When it happens to me, I don't get pissed. I agree that they should ask first though. But banning it entirely is idiotic. And what's up with the sign thing? Did someone make pornographic signs or something?
Doing "any crazy shit we wanted to" = Fanime. For me at least. Everyone has their own definition of Fanime. Mine is different than yours. Deal with it.
And you're right. It does only take one person to ruin other people's fun. Like the idiot who decided all cons should be anal-retentive cesspits with no joy of freedom.
Sorry, but doing "any crazy shit we wanted to" is usually what leads to anal-retentive rules at cons. You and your friends are a small number of the 12,000+ attendees, plus guests (who may not be from America), dealers, other presenters, and who ever else might be around that is not involved with the con. Certain rules are in place to keep everyone safe and makes the convention center and the city of San Jose want to have Fanime back year after year. As cheesy as it might sound, when you are at a con, you represent anime fans and messing around and causing problems gives other anime fans and Fanime a bad name. Do you think guests from over seas want to come to cons where people are running around and acting like idiots? Coming to a con and being with your friends and other anime fans does not entitle you to act as you please. Everyone should have a good time and still be able to act appropriately. If you and your friends can't do this, than please go elsewhere.
Quote from: Long on February 21, 2008, 02:56:29 PM
I got yelled at because we were hiding behind a table desk thing for hide-and-seek.
See, I can imagine a couple of kids getting scolded for doing this in a public setting but...?
QuoteI don't glomp or hug anyone because I have contact issues, but it is normal con fare. I would expect it. When it happens to me, I don't get pissed. I agree that they should ask first though. But banning it entirely is idiotic. And what's up with the sign thing? Did someone make pornographic signs or something?
If you had read other posts on the thread, no one's aiming to ban the act of glomping. That would be troublesome, and would pretty much become a "no touch" rule. Those sorts of regulations wouldn't even have to be considered if people weren't taking it so far. It isn't so much for the ACT of glomping that's negatively affecting people/the con, but the inconsiderate people who don't have common sense or any respect for personal space. For some kids and younger teenagers, I can understand to some extent... but for older teens and fully grown adults? Really, c'mon. So liek... this is probably the 10th + time I've repeated this.
As for the signs, they're annoying and excessive and promote idiotic behavior by whoring attention towards themselves. At first, tasteful signs with somewhat of a meaning seemed okay. Then a trend followed, and everywhere you look is a "Glomp Me!" sign. After a while, people started asking for money, then... things beyond that, like prostitution. Capice?
QuoteDoing "any crazy shit we wanted to" = Fanime. For me at least. Everyone has their own definition of Fanime. Mine is different than yours. Deal with it.
How about you deal with the fact that not EVERY SINGLE PERSON is an idiot, too? Fanime isn't a big playground for retards to do whatever the hell they want. It's an
anime convention, and that's the primary way to define it. The only reason why you have this idea of Fanime is because some people who attend are in a never-ending competition of "who's more unique" and do stupid crap to get the attention of other people to think that they're different. As that progressed, people had the idea that they could do anything they wanted. No, sorry. Fanime, like many other social events, have rules and people have standards.
QuoteAnd you're right. It does only take one person to ruin other people's fun. Like the idiot who decided all cons should be anal-retentive cesspits with no joy of freedom.
... Are you a moron? From your post, you're pretty much implying that no one can have fun... without being incredibly stupid. Fanime isn't going to enforce a rule specifically against glomping, but it should be common sense that you shouldn't touch strangers. Not only that, but it's against the law. At first, people probably wouldn't have cared... BUT THIS HAPPENS FREQUENTLY and occasionally, people get hurt, and have their possessions damaged for absolutely no reason. But that's being anal, right? We might as well let people have fist fights in the lobby for money, since it's all in good fun. And I hope you don't mind me throwing my boot at your face, since I'd just find that hilarious. :V
I'm sorry, but to me, being an anime fan automatically implies that you are in some way idiotic. They very nature of most anime characters are idiotic, and anime fans usually try to act as much like their character as they possibly can, hence cosplaying and the like.
Quote from: Jun-Watarase
As for the signs, they're annoying and excessive and promote idiotic behavior by whoring attention towards themselves. At first, tasteful signs with somewhat of a meaning seemed okay. Then a trend followed, and everywhere you look is a "Glomp Me!" sign. After a while, people started asking for money, then... things beyond that, like prostitution. Capice?
I don't see what the issue is with attention whoring. Again, that's just another characteristic of anime fans. The entire point is to grab as much attention as you can, with your cosplay or whatever. Prostitution, however, is against the law. I have no qualms against the prohibition of that.
Quote from: Jun-WataraseWe might as well let people have fist fights in the lobby for money, since it's all in good fun. And I hope you don't mind me throwing my boot at your face, since I'd just find that hilarious. :V
Even though that was part of your argument, your suggestions sound absolutely hilarious and frankly quite awesome.
Quote from: Jun-Watarase... Are you a moron? From your post, you're pretty much implying that no one can have fun... without being incredibly stupid.
Pretty much. Nothing else at Fanime draws much attention for me anymore. It's about being who you are with your friends. All that extra stuff means nothing to me.
Quote from: Jun-WataraseHow about you deal with the fact that not EVERY SINGLE PERSON is an idiot, too? Fanime isn't a big playground for retards to do whatever the hell they want. It's an anime convention, and that's the primary way to define it. The only reason why you have this idea of Fanime is because some people who attend are in a never-ending competition of "who's more unique" and do stupid crap to get the attention of other people to think that they're different. As that progressed, people had the idea that they could do anything they wanted. No, sorry. Fanime, like many other social events, have rules and people have standards.
"Anime convention" is just another word for "big playground for retards". People can have all the standards they want. Doesn't mean we have to follow them. You don't like my idiocy? Deal with it. I frankly don't care. Rules are a bit more tricky, perhaps, but like you said, they're not going to be banning it. How about we draw a line down the middle of the convention center. All the too serious people with sticks up their butts can stay on one side, and all the people who want to have fun can stand on the other. That's basically what your argument is coming down to. You don't like character of other people, and you want them to change to fit your "standards". We don't have to, not even in real society. Sure there are consequences, like being looked down upon, but when that doesn't bother you, there are no clear set rules against that sort of thing.
Quote from: phoenixphire24Sorry, but doing "any crazy shit we wanted to" is usually what leads to anal-retentive rules at cons. You and your friends are a small number of the 12,000+ attendees, plus guests (who may not be from America), dealers, other presenters, and who ever else might be around that is not involved with the con. Certain rules are in place to keep everyone safe and makes the convention center and the city of San Jose want to have Fanime back year after year. As cheesy as it might sound, when you are at a con, you represent anime fans and messing around and causing problems gives other anime fans and Fanime a bad name. Do you think guests from over seas want to come to cons where people are running around and acting like idiots? Coming to a con and being with your friends and other anime fans does not entitle you to act as you please. Everyone should have a good time and still be able to act appropriately. If you and your friends can't do this, than please go elsewhere.
I don't give a damn about overseas guests. If certain people want to make a good impression, they can go ahead and do that, but you shouldn't limit the people that only want to have fun; forcing them to try and live up to some kind of stupid standard just so the other people don't feel like they haven't impressed their favorite guests or whatever. Everyone is different, and they have different ways of expressing themselves. I don't
want to impress guests. And I don't give a fuck about the impression I give to the rest of the world or San Jose city. Labels are idiotic and I don't have to represent anything if I don't want to. If I do unintentionally, well it sucks for the people that adhere to that label, but it's not my problem. I act as I please, either at the con, or any place else, and nothing has to entitle me to that. I act appropriately enough not to get kicked out, but I'm sick of people who continue to try to create rules to stop people who just try to be who they are. If I want to act like an idiot, then I can very well act like an idiot if I please. I'm all for limiting the amount of rough-housing, but how the hell do you plan on creating a rule for that without banning it entirely? "Everyone must ask before they glomp." Is all nice and good on paper, but how the hell are you going to enforce it?
I'm just afraid that movements like this, and the banning of the signs (which I think is utterly stupid) is just a precursor for removing aspects of the con that I've always known to be there. I'm far removed from the fandom, and the reason I come to this con is just to hang out with my friends, and act like the idiot I am. It was a comfortable environment, because about 80% of the people there were idiots as well. Now the 20% are trying to enforce strict rules on the others to stop their fun and their freedom. It's basic elitism.
My proposed solution is perhaps informational pamphlets about glomping and perhaps sign usage that may dissuade people from doing it in the wrong manner, or to lay down the rules of etiquette of glomping or other exchanges with other con members. A manners booklet perhaps, before you set down a iron-clad rule. Let the con-goers regulate their own habits, and if they break etiquette, the victim can go to a con moderator to report harassment, or dish out their own punishment.
FanimeCon was never started for people to act like idiots to each other. It started out as a gathering of the various local anime clubs to get together and enjoy anime. Over the years, it grew into a good-sized convention, but the main purpose remained the same: the enjoyment of anime, not being idiots to each other, and it still remains that. The reason why many of us want to see bans on signs and unwanted glomping is that both are detrimental to the main reason why we come to FanimeCon: the enjoyment of anime. The signs are degrading to the con and the fans, and unwanted glomping is a violation of one's personal space and is, in fact, a crime (file under "assault"). For most of FanimeCon's existence, neither of these were a problem, and we'd like things to return to that state: not a problem. As long as both are allowed, then yeah, they're going to be a problem that needs to be eliminated. If that kind of shit is the only reason you come to Fanime, then may I suggest that you look elsewhere because it's increasingly unwelcome.
Quote from: Stormfalcon on February 21, 2008, 10:30:20 PM
FanimeCon was never started for people to act like idiots to each other. It started out as a gathering of the various local anime clubs to get together and enjoy anime. Over the years, it grew into a good-sized convention, but the main purpose remained the same: the enjoyment of anime, not being idiots to each other, and it still remains that. The reason why many of us want to see bans on signs and unwanted glomping is that both are detrimental to the main reason why we come to FanimeCon: the enjoyment of anime. The signs are degrading to the con and the fans, and unwanted glomping is a violation of one's personal space and is, in fact, a crime (file under "assault"). For most of FanimeCon's existence, neither of these were a problem, and we'd like things to return to that state: not a problem. As long as both are allowed, then yeah, they're going to be a problem that needs to be eliminated. If that kind of shit is the only reason you come to Fanime, then may I suggest that you look elsewhere because it's increasingly unwelcome.
Who gives a damn about what fanime started as. All I'm worrying about is what it is now. You went to the con for ten years. Whoopdeedoo. No one cares. Things change. All of you serious bums flock to the forums now, but when Fanime actually comes around, the majority of the present population are idiots, and your "increasingly unwelcome" attitude towards them is going to have no effect. You may like anime. I hate the majority of that crap. I don't enjoy otaku, or ugly cosplayers, or annoying people to take things too seriously, but I let them be who they are, and do their thing. I don't turn on them in the con, or make fun of them. I make friends with them and hang out, because I accept them. I'm an idiot. That's my nature. You don't have to accept me if you don't want to however, but I'm willing to assure you that there will be many others who will.
I go to Fanime for what it's turned into. Not what it was, as do many people.
I would suggest you seriously consider why you go to FanimeCon and pay for it when you don't enjoy a lot of what it's there for. If all you want to do is hang out with your friends, you can do it elsewhere without bothering the congoers who go to Fanime for what it's there for (the anime, the cosplayers, the fellow otaku), for free. That's right, you can be idiots elsewhere without paying a dime and not even bother other people in the process. Think about it.
Quote from: Stormfalcon on February 21, 2008, 10:46:32 PM
I would suggest you seriously consider why you go to FanimeCon and pay for it when you don't enjoy a lot of what it's there for. If all you want to do is hang out with your friends, you can do it elsewhere without bothering the congoers who go to Fanime for what it's there for (the anime, the cosplayers, the fellow otaku), for free. That's right, you can be idiots elsewhere without paying a dime and not even bother other people in the process. Think about it.
While that is true, Fanime is a tradition for us. I'm not a big fan of anime, but my friends are. I don't think anyone should be barred from Fanime, if all they want to do is go there to have a good time. There's no rule that states you must like anime or manga to go to a con. Fanime is one time I can do something with my friends that they enjoy, while adding to the experience with my own brand of crazy fun. Aside from that fact, I'm addicted to MusicFest. ;B Spending 50 dollars on a con badge is worth it for MF. x3
That's all well and good, but is it really asking too much to act in a civil manner while at Fanime? If you can't act in a civil manner at the very least, then you shouldn't be there at all (or anywhere in public for that matter). That means no unwanted glomps at the very least since they are a form of assault, and signs should be out as well because many of them in the past could be seen as a form of prostitution ("Will yaoi/yuri for Pocky" ring a bell?).
Quote from: Stormfalcon on February 21, 2008, 11:15:42 PM
That's all well and good, but is it really asking too much to act in a civil manner while at Fanime? If you can't act in a civil manner at the very least, then you shouldn't be there at all (or anywhere in public for that matter). That means no unwanted glomps at the very least since they are a form of assault, and signs should be out as well because many of them in the past could be seen as a form of prostitution ("Will yaoi/yuri for Pocky" ring a bell?).
I already provided my solution for glomping. Hand out etiquette pamphlets with the standard set of Con handouts. As for the prostitution, you could stop them legally. Prostitution is illegal in all its forms throughout the US. Expressing that prostitution is a federal offense, will no doubt dissuade people from engaging in making signs implying prostitution. But the other types of signs, I see no problem with.
And quite frankly, it depends on your definition of a "civil manner". I'm generally, quite hyper, and I don't give a damn about the opinions of others, so I act up as I please. No one has the right to say that if I don't "act civil" that I shouldn't be there at all. It's not in the rules, or a specific con guideline. If I want to be a hyper spazzmatic idiot, then I can be (providing of course, that I remain responsible for my actions).
It is, however, against the law to make unwanted physical contact, and unwanted glomps would be included in this. It's not etiquette...it's a legal matter. If you can't understand this and proceed to "act up as you please", then I sincerely hope that you enjoy a nice, free room at the local jail, because that's what you would deserve if you decide that you're entitled to glomp people that don't want to be glomped for various, legitimate reasons.
Quote from: Stormfalcon on February 21, 2008, 11:35:37 PM
It is, however, against the law to make unwanted physical contact, and unwanted glomps would be included in this. It's not etiquette...it's a legal matter. If you can't understand this and proceed to "act up as you please", then I sincerely hope that you enjoy a nice, free room at the local jail, because that's what you would deserve if you decide that you're entitled to glomp people that don't want to be glomped for various, legitimate reasons.
Oh please. Now you're just being pretentious. My suggestion leaves it up to the members to regulate their own behaviour. Nobody, if they're glomped at a con is going to file an assault lawsuit, unless they were injured. The reason I provided my suggestion is because Fanime
cannot create an effective rule against glomping without banning it entirely. I've already stated my aversion to glomping without permission, but you can't just go around forbidding people to glomp others at a con, because then you'd have to investigate the context of each and every case. You have to leave it up to them and their own good sense.
I "act up as I please" in different ways.
I will report any unwanted glomps on my person to the police, as is my right. End of story.
Consensual glomps aren't what's at issue here. It's the unwanted ones that are, and no, etiquette guides and flyers aren't going to get through to people who glomp others without permission. It's going to have to take a ban and some example-making to get the message through. Of course, it's also against the law, so a ban would merely be a formality as far as con management goes.
If you don't glomp people without permission, as you claim not to, then a ban on such things should not bother you one bit.
keep fighting the good fight long<3
While non-consensual glomping is irritating- theres nothing you can do about it, except report your own cases. I love glompers and I think that the interaction that goes on in fanime is special- its a bunch of dorks- dorking out in a way that does not happen in everyday society. You don't just walk down the streets of your town- or city as you may have it- and see handsome boys dressed as wantunuki, or pretty girls dress as chii, or anybody dressed like a pocky or wii-mote. at fanime we connect even just through the way we dress- or the games we play of the screening we may find ourselves in.
those who have "gone for ten years" and "this is not what makes fanime what it is" are the old geezers yelling at the teenagers for what they've done to rock n' roll- get over it- WE'RE IN YOR FANIME EATIN YOR POCKY!!!!
loves!
Man... anime fans today creep me the hell out.
im actualy in that video i was the vash
but any way i am actualy quite flatered about glomps ^_^ they make me feel apreciated and like i did something cool my only problem is the people who yaknow they say can i hug you and then take 10 steps back and come baraling at you at full speed thats not cool
when this girl glomped me it was good because she did it corectly even though i made a noise it still wasnt like omg im dieing inside it was more like ah that was fun
i was urahara last year and after the bleach gathering some little girl wanted to hug me and she asked then she went full force into me head first and it hurt cause i was tired
so to a certain extent there is a glomp ediket
no forcefull ones just kinda light ones
and its always best to ask or give heads up but one of the other things is you have to remember that at conventions its part of the cultutre same thing as going to like france and getting kissed on the cheek at a certain point you have to suck up and deal with it because it just aint gonna change
Quote from: luckyends on February 22, 2008, 06:51:12 AM
and its always best to ask or give heads up but one of the other things is you have to remember that at conventions its part of the cultutre same thing as going to like france and getting kissed on the cheek at a certain point you have to suck up and deal with it because it just aint gonna change
This analogy is entirely faulty. I live in Quebec, where the two-cheek kiss is also a standard form of greeting, we have very similar cultural traditions to the French parts of Europe.
HOWEVER, from a very young age, you're taught to interpret body language. If you go to lean in to peck someone and they tense up or inadvertently pull away you DON'T KISS THEM. It's as simple as that. You can tell when someone's expecting it, as they lean forward and tilt to the left as well as you do. If they don't do that, it's clear they're either uncomfortable or not expecting it, and you don't do it. I've also been to parties where I've been informed that "Daniel over there does not like being kissed, please go shake his hand" or something similar.
Personally, I only do the cheek kiss with family and close friends, due to my aforementioned squickiness about physical contact, and I've used the "lean backwards and nod" strategy to evade it from other people and it nearly always works.
Not to mention a little peck on the cheek is a lot less potentially harmful than some unwashed fatass barrelling at you at 35mph and taking a flying leap at your torso :/
I can't believe that after all the incredibly valid and reasonable explanations as to why this shouldn't be acceptable to do to strangers people are still saying "oh just deal with it"
I was fucking
raped, for christ's sake. I shouldn't have to potentially "just deal with" random people touching me. I should be able to enjoy a fun convention with my friends and FEEL SAFE AND COMFORTABLE. Fanime is supposed to be fun. If you're constantly having to walk close to a wall and look over you shoulder to make sure nobody's going to fling themselves at you like a rabid monkey, how the hell can you have fun all weekend?
Just don't fucking glomp unless you have permission in advance. IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING COMPLICATED.
Quote from: fold on February 22, 2008, 12:21:02 AM
keep fighting the good fight long<3
While non-consensual glomping is irritating- theres nothing you can do about it, except report your own cases. I love glompers and I think that the interaction that goes on in fanime is special- its a bunch of dorks- dorking out in a way that does not happen in everyday society. You don't just walk down the streets of your town- or city as you may have it- and see handsome boys dressed as wantunuki, or pretty girls dress as chii, or anybody dressed like a pocky or wii-mote. at fanime we connect even just through the way we dress- or the games we play of the screening we may find ourselves in.
those who have "gone for ten years" and "this is not what makes fanime what it is" are the old geezers yelling at the teenagers for what they've done to rock n' roll- get over it- WE'RE IN YOR FANIME EATIN YOR POCKY!!!!
loves!
No, I will not "get over it." Glomping randomly and "rock and roll" are not the same thing by a long shot. There's nothing wrong with connecting with people, but if I cosplay for Fanime I am doing so to show my love for anime and to show off my sewing skills. This does not mean I want people to touch me!!! How hard is this to understand? I agree with Moonblossom; I shouldn't have to spend my time at the con watching out for people who, aside from making me feel uncomfortable, could cause damage to me and/or my property. I think most cosplayers, especially the ones with more elaborate costumes, feel the same way. I have NO PROBLEM with people who ask. I will not tolerate being ambushed. And Fanime needs to try and keep these people in check before someone gets hurt and sues.
Quote from: Long on February 21, 2008, 09:48:40 PM
I'm sorry, but to me, being an anime fan automatically implies that you are in some way idiotic. They very nature of most anime characters are idiotic, and anime fans usually try to act as much like their character as they possibly can, hence cosplaying and the like.
I don't see what the issue is with attention whoring. Again, that's just another characteristic of anime fans. The entire point is to grab as much attention as you can, with your cosplay or whatever. Prostitution, however, is against the law. I have no qualms against the prohibition of that.
Pretty much. Nothing else at Fanime draws much attention for me anymore. It's about being who you are with your friends. All that extra stuff means nothing to me.
I don't know where you get off saying that "anime fans" are all idiotic, attention whoring, and simply cosplay to act like the characters they're dressing as. As you admit, you are clearly not at Fanime for the anime and are not much of a fan of anime, so please don't assume to know how fans act. Some can be more enthuastic than others, and yet still manage to control themselves. I have no idea why you come to Fanime at all.
Quote from: Long on February 21, 2008, 09:48:40 PM
Quote from: phoenixphire24Sorry, but doing "any crazy shit we wanted to" is usually what leads to anal-retentive rules at cons. You and your friends are a small number of the 12,000+ attendees, plus guests (who may not be from America), dealers, other presenters, and who ever else might be around that is not involved with the con. Certain rules are in place to keep everyone safe and makes the convention center and the city of San Jose want to have Fanime back year after year. As cheesy as it might sound, when you are at a con, you represent anime fans and messing around and causing problems gives other anime fans and Fanime a bad name. Do you think guests from over seas want to come to cons where people are running around and acting like idiots? Coming to a con and being with your friends and other anime fans does not entitle you to act as you please. Everyone should have a good time and still be able to act appropriately. If you and your friends can't do this, than please go elsewhere.
I don't give a damn about overseas guests. If certain people want to make a good impression, they can go ahead and do that, but you shouldn't limit the people that only want to have fun; forcing them to try and live up to some kind of stupid standard just so the other people don't feel like they haven't impressed their favorite guests or whatever. Everyone is different, and they have different ways of expressing themselves. I don't want to impress guests. And I don't give a fuck about the impression I give to the rest of the world or San Jose city. Labels are idiotic and I don't have to represent anything if I don't want to. If I do unintentionally, well it sucks for the people that adhere to that label, but it's not my problem. I act as I please, either at the con, or any place else, and nothing has to entitle me to that. I act appropriately enough not to get kicked out, but I'm sick of people who continue to try to create rules to stop people who just try to be who they are. If I want to act like an idiot, then I can very well act like an idiot if I please. I'm all for limiting the amount of rough-housing, but how the hell do you plan on creating a rule for that without banning it entirely? "Everyone must ask before they glomp." Is all nice and good on paper, but how the hell are you going to enforce it?
I'm just afraid that movements like this, and the banning of the signs (which I think is utterly stupid) is just a precursor for removing aspects of the con that I've always known to be there. I'm far removed from the fandom, and the reason I come to this con is just to hang out with my friends, and act like the idiot I am. It was a comfortable environment, because about 80% of the people there were idiots as well. Now the 20% are trying to enforce strict rules on the others to stop their fun and their freedom. It's basic elitism.
My proposed solution is perhaps informational pamphlets about glomping and perhaps sign usage that may dissuade people from doing it in the wrong manner, or to lay down the rules of etiquette of glomping or other exchanges with other con members. A manners booklet perhaps, before you set down a iron-clad rule. Let the con-goers regulate their own habits, and if they break etiquette, the victim can go to a con moderator to report harassment, or dish out their own punishment.
So basically your a selfish jerk face that doesn't care about anyone except yourself? You may not want to give guest and anyone else at the con a good impression, but most of the attendees do and so does the Fanime staff. When you buy a pass to Fanime, you're agreeing to certain codes of conduct. Being at a con does not mean you have the freedom to do whatever you want. Most people who go to Fanime do regulate themselves, but that doesn't mean there are no rules in place. No one is suggesting that glomping or signs have to go away completely, they just need to be regulated-as you suggest or otherwise- because of the few retards that go overboard. It's true that it will be hard to regulate, but people at least need to be made aware that there is a problem.
If you want to act like a jerk than fine, but don't complain when you get yelled at or thrown out by the staff or volunteers.
Okay, here I go.
Quote from: Long on February 21, 2008, 09:48:40 PM
I'm sorry, but to me, being an anime fan automatically implies that you are in some way idiotic. They very nature of most anime characters are idiotic, and anime fans usually try to act as much like their character as they possibly can, hence cosplaying and the like.
Despite it not being entirely true for the nature of anime to be idiotic, there is a culture to the behavior. There's no point on getting into that, but it's one thing to "be in character" and "being a retard that runs around at a con yelling "OMG I LUVS INUYASHAASSS!!", or someone crawling on the floor, begging you by saying things like "I need... pocky!!". Just because it's an anime con, doesn't mean you can abandon all common sense and social etiquette, and others don't sign away their rights just so you can be yourself by fulfilling your need to assault strangers. Just because there are idiots around you, doesn't make breaking the law and disrespecting others okay. This isn't being prude, as people really have no trouble expressing without ... physically harming others. If that is absolutely necessary for their need for expression, an anime con isn't the place to be.
Besides, the cosplay scene has been well tarnished to hell and back.
QuoteI don't see what the issue is with attention whoring. Again, that's just another characteristic of anime fans. The entire point is to grab as much attention as you can, with your cosplay or whatever. Prostitution, however, is against the law. I have no qualms against the prohibition of that.
Attention whoring without bothering others is more or less okay, but when they follow you around the con for a hug, it's rather irritating and creepy. It's only considered a characteristic is because people judge the minority of people who whore the most attention and base traits off that... which not only gives anime fans as a whole a bad name, but it makes it less enjoyable for others and people who might bring their parents in with them.
QuoteQuote from: Jun-Watarase... Are you a moron? From your post, you're pretty much implying that no one can have fun... without being incredibly stupid.
Pretty much. Nothing else at Fanime draws much attention for me anymore. It's about being who you are with your friends. All that extra stuff means nothing to me.
See, that's how it is for most people who aren't new to the scene. It's all about hanging out with friends, and making new ones. This is entirely true, but nothing to do with the issue. It's okay to be who you are and exhibit that in some way, no matter how boisterous and obnoxious a person may be-- but you should understand how that bothers other people. You might not care, but some people will, and some people will take action, even if it creates some sort of conflict. As long as you don't go up to someone directly to bother them, then I doubt anyone will have enough of a problem as to actually feel the need for confrontation or having them reported.
When I go to a con, I'll have fun with friends, run around and play, talk about our interests, and do crazy shit. (I mean, look at Pyron. If he can get away with having a guy simulate giving him a BJ while being under the skirt of his maid cosplay in the lobby... we're desensitized by this sort of thing. What else could possibly happen.) But at the same time, as much as it must disgust or annoy those around us, yes, we're being ourselves, BUT... we don't go up to people and bother them physically to throw "THIS IS ME!!!" in their faces. Fanime isn't the ultimate place for expression, though. Standards, laws, and regulations still exist. They're as lenient as they can get now, so if this whole physical assult thing gets out of hand, then Fanime
will be a strict con with people with sticks up their arses managing it. If you don't want that, compromise.
It's not that hard to be yourself without going up to someone and harassing them about it.
Quote"Anime convention" is just another word for "big playground for retards". People can have all the standards they want. Doesn't mean we have to follow them. You don't like my idiocy? Deal with it. I frankly don't care. Rules are a bit more tricky, perhaps, but like you said, they're not going to be banning it. How about we draw a line down the middle of the convention center. All the too serious people with sticks up their butts can stay on one side, and all the people who want to have fun can stand on the other. That's basically what your argument is coming down to. You don't like character of other people, and you want them to change to fit your "standards". We don't have to, not even in real society. Sure there are consequences, like being looked down upon, but when that doesn't bother you, there are no clear set rules against that sort of thing.
Oh please, if you assume that
that's a solution to my argument, then you either lack a tact and creativity altogether, or you have trouble reading. What standards are you thinking of, anyway? I'm thinking of a simple "Don't come up and bother me, follow me around the con, touch me without permission if I don't know who the hell you are, or break my shit because you want to tackle me", which really... isn't a high standard to set. I don't think anyone really has a trouble of meeting lines such as that.
This isn't WAR between the glompers, and people who don't want to glomp. I'm not FOR banning glomping, nor am I for glomping. If glomping becomes a problem, however, it eventually will be banned and physical contact becomes limited and just messes everything up. Why fight for a reason to compromise? If you kids want to bitch and whine about how you can't tackle strangers, too bad. What's wrong with doing it amongst friends? You're heading in the wrong direction, unless this is some sick vigilante act to ban glomping by MAKING it a problem.
QuoteI don't give a damn about overseas guests. If certain people want to make a good impression, they can go ahead and do that, but you shouldn't limit the people that only want to have fun; forcing them to try and live up to some kind of stupid standard just so the other people don't feel like they haven't impressed their favorite guests or whatever. Everyone is different, and they have different ways of expressing themselves. I don't want to impress guests. And I don't give a fuck about the impression I give to the rest of the world or San Jose city. Labels are idiotic and I don't have to represent anything if I don't want to. If I do unintentionally, well it sucks for the people that adhere to that label, but it's not my problem. I act as I please, either at the con, or any place else, and nothing has to entitle me to that. I act appropriately enough not to get kicked out, but I'm sick of people who continue to try to create rules to stop people who just try to be who they are. If I want to act like an idiot, then I can very well act like an idiot if I please. I'm all for limiting the amount of rough-housing, but how the hell do you plan on creating a rule for that without banning it entirely? "Everyone must ask before they glomp." Is all nice and good on paper, but how the hell are you going to enforce it?
See, it's perfectly fine people who you are, but don't mind OTHERS for being who THEY are to try to manage their own comfort. If you're going to talk about rights, okay... if someone shoots you, and you happen to have a gun, can you not shoot back? None of the people against glomping are going after the 'tards and telling them "Hey, stop glomping. You're acting stupid and I don't appreciate it" despite being nowhere near you... If they did, you'd be thinking "What the f***? What a stupid bitch." right? Same with someone going up to you and screaming "OMG, I LOOOOVE VASH AND EDWARD ELRIC YAOWWEEE!!" which...
does happen frequently.
Again, no one is aiming for glomping to be banned, but people DO want the compromise of people maintaining some sort of common etiquette as to respect other people's rights for their personal space by not... assulting them and breaking their shit.
QuoteI'm just afraid that movements like this, and the banning of the signs (which I think is utterly stupid) is just a precursor for removing aspects of the con that I've always known to be there. I'm far removed from the fandom, and the reason I come to this con is just to hang out with my friends, and act like the idiot I am. It was a comfortable environment, because about 80% of the people there were idiots as well. Now the 20% are trying to enforce strict rules on the others to stop their fun and their freedom. It's basic elitism.
Yeah, okay. Most people were accepting of signs to an extent until people with "Glomp Me!" signs started forcing other people around them to glomp them to up their glomp count. It was okay until people started putting up signs implying prostitution. It was okay until every person in the entire con started doing these sorts of things. Does it not make SENSE for FanimeCon to enforce some sort of warning or rule? Society could've let anyone in the country to keep a knife without enforcing a "no stabbing" law and be okay with it... until a ton of people get stabbed! See how a few people can ruin everyone's fun? Glomping can continue to be fun... until people make it an issue.
QuoteMy proposed solution is perhaps informational pamphlets about glomping and perhaps sign usage that may dissuade people from doing it in the wrong manner, or to lay down the rules of etiquette of glomping or other exchanges with other con members. A manners booklet perhaps, before you set down a iron-clad rule. Let the con-goers regulate their own habits, and if they break etiquette, the victim can go to a con moderator to report harassment, or dish out their own punishment.
See, this does sound like a good idea, despite it should be common sense and FanimeCon shouldn't have to actually spend the money to hand out pamphlets... but if people need a wake-up call, so be it. The solution was simple in the first place. Don't bother strangers with confrontation, physical contact, or stalking. That's not being anal, and people have the right to defend themselves, which is happening now.
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Quote from: Stormfalcon on February 21, 2008, 10:30:20 PM
FanimeCon was never started for people to act like idiots to each other. It started out as a gathering of the various local anime clubs to get together and enjoy anime. [...] If that kind of shit is the only reason you come to Fanime, then may I suggest that you look elsewhere because it's increasingly unwelcome.
Who gives a damn about what fanime started as. All I'm worrying about is what it is now. You went to the con for ten years. Whoopdeedoo. No one cares. Things change. All of you serious bums flock to the forums now, but when Fanime actually comes around, the majority of the present population are idiots, and your "increasingly unwelcome" attitude towards them is going to have no effect. You may like anime. I hate the majority of that crap. I don't enjoy otaku, or ugly cosplayers, or annoying people to take things too seriously, but I let them be who they are, and do their thing. I don't turn on them in the con, or make fun of them. I make friends with them and hang out, because I accept them. I'm an idiot. That's my nature. You don't have to accept me if you don't want to however, but I'm willing to assure you that there will be many others who will.
I go to Fanime for what it's turned into. Not what it was, as do many people.
Yeah, anyway... things change, and it's no use hanging onto the past... however, the demographic of attendees aren't primarily idiots. They're actually the minority, who make themselves more conspicuous because of their exuberant behavior, thus being more noticeable. I don't bother other people having fun, and when I'm doing stupid shit with my friends and acting like a retard, people shouldn't have a problem with it unless I'm directly bothering them. SAME WITH OTHER IDIOTS, MIND YOU, don't ruin MY fun by stalking me and tackling me to the ground.
Most people who dislike glompers, retards, loud people, cosplayers, fat old people wearing sweaty "glomp me" t-shirts and shorts, what have you... they're being who they are. Fine. But don't throw it in my face and get in my way while I'm talking to someone or going to the bathroom, just to tell me that you want to hug me, or how much you want to get in bed with me. It's not so much flattering, as most people who've done that aren't even remotely attractive. I DON'T mind, however, someone confronting me for an actual legitimate reason. Complimenting my cosplay in words is normal, but don't do it physically by glomping the crap out of me and breaking it in the process. Talking to me about the cosplay I'm wearing and the series it's from, being a legitimate reason for conversation with a stranger, is fine. If I have the time... sure, I'll have a conversation. I don't mind interacting with strangers, unless they're making me feel uncomfortable, where I have the right to get the hell away from them.
Quote from: fold on February 22, 2008, 12:21:02 AM
keep fighting the good fight long<3
While non-consensual glomping is irritating- theres nothing you can do about it, except report your own cases. I love glompers and I think that the interaction that goes on in fanime is special- its a bunch of dorks- dorking out in a way that does not happen in everyday society. You don't just walk down the streets of your town- or city as you may have it- and see handsome boys dressed as wantunuki, or pretty girls dress as chii, or anybody dressed like a pocky or wii-mote. at fanime we connect even just through the way we dress- or the games we play of the screening we may find ourselves in.
those who have "gone for ten years" and "this is not what makes fanime what it is" are the old geezers yelling at the teenagers for what they've done to rock n' roll- get over it- WE'RE IN YOR FANIME EATIN YOR POCKY!!!!
loves!
But there's no reason why others can't have their opinion on glompers and people who lack tact and common sense. Again "dorking out" may be okay, but not when you shove it in other people's faces. Going to Fanime
is a special experience to be with friends and meeting people of similar interest, but it's not an excuse to bother the crap out of people with direct, unwanted, interaction. I don't see why it's so difficult to glomp amongst your friends and respecting the personal space of STRANGERS YOU DON'T KNOW.
However, don't if until you find a person who is actually anal about it enough to cuss you out, report you (or even sue), and tear you a new one because you assaulted them. I doubt there are a lot people like this, but a good chunk of them want to do just that.
Don't tell others to just get over it because you're a retarded weeaboo that feels the need to touch people who don't want to be touched. They don't have to, and if they wanted to, they could make it more of a problem because it's technically against the law. How about I light up a cigarette and start following you around and blowing my crap in your direction, and once I'm done, how about I put it out on your face. Got a problem? Get over it.
But I know better and know that things aren't done this way.
Quote from: luckyends on February 22, 2008, 06:51:12 AM
im actualy in that video i was the vash
but any way i am actualy quite flatered about glomps ^_^ they make me feel apreciated and like i did something cool my only problem is the people who yaknow they say can i hug you and then take 10 steps back and come baraling at you at full speed thats not cool
when this girl glomped me it was good because she did it corectly even though i made a noise it still wasnt like omg im dieing inside it was more like ah that was fun
i was urahara last year and after the bleach gathering some little girl wanted to hug me and she asked then she went full force into me head first and it hurt cause i was tired
so to a certain extent there is a glomp ediket
no forcefull ones just kinda light ones
and its always best to ask or give heads up but one of the other things is you have to remember that at conventions its part of the cultutre same thing as going to like france and getting kissed on the cheek at a certain point you have to suck up and deal with it because it just aint gonna change
I don't care about getting glomped until someone actually hurts me or breaks my stuff. I've seen people get hurt, drop their food, have parts of their cosplay destroyed, and sometimes even being SEXUALLY assaulted or having some of their money stolen without notice. Sure, you can't eliminate glomping altogether... but I don't think even the people who problems with them are aiming for that to happen. Not everyone likes being touched, and if you respect those people's personal space, then things can be just dandy. People, more or less, are having a problem with it because they're getting hurt with full-on glomps, and it makes it more uncomfortable because a lot of those people aren't expecting them since they tend to be somewhat random.
Anyone going to Fanime should have fun. Being yourself is fine as long as you don't ruin the fun for others. No one should have to tell others what to do if other people don't force others to accept poor behavior, especially through some form of direct confrontation. No one needs to set foot at a con feeling restricted and their actions limited by unnecessary rules (besides ones like... common etiquette, rules and regulations, and... well, law.) and no one should feel uncomfortable and afraid of people around them assaulting them for no reason. Tell me if you have trouble understanding this.
So AGAIN, it's not so much war on glomping. People on the forum have the right to express their opinion on the issue during this discussion, whether they're for or against. As for you being a jerk, I'm not complaining, but don't mind me being a bitch.
Jun- I love you and the use of the words "retarded weeaboo."
I totally agree. People can act like idiots all they want as long as it's not bothering anyone and the staff/volunteers have every right to deal with people that are causing problems. I have no problem pointing out or reporting such persons. Or I'll punch them in the face, which ever is more effective. ;D
Quote from: Stormfalcon on February 21, 2008, 11:56:57 PM
I will report any unwanted glomps on my person to the police, as is my right. End of story.
Consensual glomps aren't what's at issue here. It's the unwanted ones that are, and no, etiquette guides and flyers aren't going to get through to people who glomp others without permission. It's going to have to take a ban and some example-making to get the message through. Of course, it's also against the law, so a ban would merely be a formality as far as con management goes.
If you don't glomp people without permission, as you claim not to, then a ban on such things should not bother you one bit.
I think you underestimate the good sense of most people. You just seem intent on being negative, but I feel that my solution is a good method to reduce the amount of unwanted glomps. I am opposed to a ban on glomps because it is an insult to the character of many con-goers, automatically assuming that they will glomp others without permission. That is limiting the freedom of others without even providing a chance to see if they will regulate themselves. Your method is extremist, and would just cause a ton of strife throughout members of the con.
Quote from: phoenixphire24I don't know where you get off saying that "anime fans" are all idiotic, attention whoring, and simply cosplay to act like the characters they're dressing as. As you admit, you are clearly not at Fanime for the anime and are not much of a fan of anime, so please don't assume to know how fans act. Some can be more enthuastic than others, and yet still manage to control themselves. I have no idea why you come to Fanime at all.
I was a fan of anime, but I am not anymore, so I'm acquainted with their general characteristics. (In addition, going to Fanime yearly puts me into even more contact with anime fans, and I tend to actually study my surroundings.) And I've already discussed why I attend Fanime a few posts back. I won't bother to repost it again.
Quote from: phoenixphire24So basically your a selfish jerk face that doesn't care about anyone except yourself? You may not want to give guest and anyone else at the con a good impression, but most of the attendees do and so does the Fanime staff. When you buy a pass to Fanime, you're agreeing to certain codes of conduct. Being at a con does not mean you have the freedom to do whatever you want. Most people who go to Fanime do regulate themselves, but that doesn't mean there are no rules in place. No one is suggesting that glomping or signs have to go away completely, they just need to be regulated-as you suggest or otherwise- because of the few retards that go overboard. It's true that it will be hard to regulate, but people at least need to be made aware that there is a problem.
If you want to act like a jerk than fine, but don't complain when you get yelled at or thrown out by the staff or volunteers.
I think it's selfish of others to expect people to act a certain way just so they may impress their "idols" or whoever with the general characteristics of their demographic. I have the freedom to do whatever I want within the limits of the consequences I am liable to accept. Thank you for finally admitting my freedom to act like a jerk as I please.
@Jun: You have too much written for me to quote it all. >____> But I will give you a general answer. I agree with you. I am in no way suggesting that the law be broken. Far from it. All I wanted was recognition to act like an idiot as I please. However forcing yourself upon others, or following (i.e. stalking), while acting like an idiot or otherwise (being an idiot in this case is detrimental) is called harassment, and is against the law. I in no way stated that I promote harassment. I only stated that people should act like idiots if they want to, providing that it is within legal confines. Harassment is a federal offense, prostitution is a federal offense, and assault is a federal offense. But the actions that lead to these, might be interpreted differently, in different cases, which is why I suggested that the con members themselves regulate them. Being an idiot and harassing others do NOT go hand in hand. If an individual feels harassed or assaulted, they can take it to the proper con authority, and explain her case. What I think is a foolish idea is if there were staff members wandering the con, and slapping arbitrary people who glomp with demerits. The context is impossible to tell at first glance. I agree that non-consensual glomping is an issue, but we have to be careful about the way we deal with it, in order to ensure the enjoyment of as many people as we can in the con. Ignoring one population to please another is always a terrible way to go about things, and everyone must be thought of.
Quote from: Long on February 22, 2008, 11:03:23 AM
Quote from: phoenixphire24So basically your a selfish jerk face that doesn't care about anyone except yourself? You may not want to give guest and anyone else at the con a good impression, but most of the attendees do and so does the Fanime staff. When you buy a pass to Fanime, you're agreeing to certain codes of conduct. Being at a con does not mean you have the freedom to do whatever you want. Most people who go to Fanime do regulate themselves, but that doesn't mean there are no rules in place. No one is suggesting that glomping or signs have to go away completely, they just need to be regulated-as you suggest or otherwise- because of the few retards that go overboard. It's true that it will be hard to regulate, but people at least need to be made aware that there is a problem.
If you want to act like a jerk than fine, but don't complain when you get yelled at or thrown out by the staff or volunteers.
I think it's selfish of others to expect people to act a certain way just so they may impress their "idols" or whoever with the general characteristics of their demographic. I have the freedom to do whatever I want within the limits of the consequences I am liable to accept. Thank you for finally admitting my freedom to act like a jerk as I please.
I'm saying you can act like a jerk, just don't complain when you get yelled at for doing certain things. I'm not saying you have to "impress" anyone, just that you are among other people and should at least follow standard rules of conduct. Personally, I don't really care about the guests either, but that doesn't mean I'm going to run up to them acting like a moron either. Doing things like jumping on random people, messing with other's property, or otherwise harassing others shouldn't be tolerated at Fanime just because it's a con. If a staff person finds what you're doing unacceptable, then they're going to tell you so and you'll have to face the consequences. It might not be a "law" but you don't have a "right" to be at the con either. So do whatever, but if you're bothering me, I'll report your ass.
Quote from: phoenixphire24 on February 22, 2008, 11:38:09 AM
Quote from: Long on February 22, 2008, 11:03:23 AM
Quote from: phoenixphire24So basically your a selfish jerk face that doesn't care about anyone except yourself? You may not want to give guest and anyone else at the con a good impression, but most of the attendees do and so does the Fanime staff. When you buy a pass to Fanime, you're agreeing to certain codes of conduct. Being at a con does not mean you have the freedom to do whatever you want. Most people who go to Fanime do regulate themselves, but that doesn't mean there are no rules in place. No one is suggesting that glomping or signs have to go away completely, they just need to be regulated-as you suggest or otherwise- because of the few retards that go overboard. It's true that it will be hard to regulate, but people at least need to be made aware that there is a problem.
If you want to act like a jerk than fine, but don't complain when you get yelled at or thrown out by the staff or volunteers.
I think it's selfish of others to expect people to act a certain way just so they may impress their "idols" or whoever with the general characteristics of their demographic. I have the freedom to do whatever I want within the limits of the consequences I am liable to accept. Thank you for finally admitting my freedom to act like a jerk as I please.
I'm saying you can act like a jerk, just don't complain when you get yelled at for doing certain things. I'm not saying you have to "impress" anyone, just that you are among other people and should at least follow standard rules of conduct. Personally, I don't really care about the guests either, but that doesn't mean I'm going to run up to them acting like a moron either. Doing things like jumping on random people, messing with other's property, or otherwise harassing others shouldn't be tolerated at Fanime just because it's a con. If a staff person finds what you're doing unacceptable, then they're going to tell you so and you'll have to face the consequences. It might not be a "law" but you don't have a "right" to be at the con either. So do whatever, but if you're bothering me, I'll report your ass.
Bothering you personally, as I have already stated is harassment, and is illegal. I have already said that I have the right to act like a jerk or an idiot within legal confines. I'm just pissed off, because so many of you misconstrue idiocy and harassment. You can harass people without being an idiot, and you can be an idiot without harassing people. I have nothing to prove to anyone. I'm not going to go up to guests and harass them, but I'm not going to stop running around in circles around a column like a maniac or play insane games of hide-and-seek just because they're there either. I never said harassment should be tolerated at fanime. I say that idiocy, moronity, and jerkish behaviour SHOULD be tolerated at Fanime (at least within its official rules and regulations, if not by individuals).
Quote from: Long on February 22, 2008, 11:03:23 AM
Quote from: Stormfalcon on February 21, 2008, 11:56:57 PM
I will report any unwanted glomps on my person to the police, as is my right. End of story.
Consensual glomps aren't what's at issue here. It's the unwanted ones that are, and no, etiquette guides and flyers aren't going to get through to people who glomp others without permission. It's going to have to take a ban and some example-making to get the message through. Of course, it's also against the law, so a ban would merely be a formality as far as con management goes.
If you don't glomp people without permission, as you claim not to, then a ban on such things should not bother you one bit.
I think you underestimate the good sense of most people. You just seem intent on being negative, but I feel that my solution is a good method to reduce the amount of unwanted glomps. I am opposed to a ban on glomps because it is an insult to the character of many con-goers, automatically assuming that they will glomp others without permission. That is limiting the freedom of others without even providing a chance to see if they will regulate themselves. Your method is extremist, and would just cause a ton of strife throughout members of the con.
See, this method is either hit or miss. There is the possibility of people just needing some sort of notice to start being more considerate of what they do, but there's also the possibility of them not caring. However, it is
something and could potentially make a gradual difference. If possible, this idea wouldn't be so bad. The only risk is losing some time and money in the event that it actually... doesn't work.
Banning glomps, however, is just as destructive to con-goers as much as uncontentious physical contact is. If people took the effort to regulate their own idiotic behavior, no one should even consider banning glomps. ...
AGAIN, it isn't glomping that's the issue. It's the people. If people can handle the situation and improve, then there's less of a problem. If someone is glomped, unwillingly, they have the right to report the person who had assaulted them... However, what good would banning glomping do? It would limit physical contact altogether, and then we'll have an even bigger problem, for
everyone.QuoteQuote from: phoenixphire24So basically your a selfish jerk face that doesn't care about anyone except yourself? You may not want to give guest and anyone else at the con a good impression, but most of the attendees do and so does the Fanime staff. When you buy a pass to Fanime, you're agreeing to certain codes of conduct. Being at a con does not mean you have the freedom to do whatever you want. Most people who go to Fanime do regulate themselves, but that doesn't mean there are no rules in place. No one is suggesting that glomping or signs have to go away completely, they just need to be regulated-as you suggest or otherwise- because of the few retards that go overboard. It's true that it will be hard to regulate, but people at least need to be made aware that there is a problem.
If you want to act like a jerk than fine, but don't complain when you get yelled at or thrown out by the staff or volunteers.
I think it's selfish of others to expect people to act a certain way just so they may impress their "idols" or whoever with the general characteristics of their demographic. I have the freedom to do whatever I want within the limits of the consequences I am liable to accept. Thank you for finally admitting my freedom to act like a jerk as I please.
By my standards, I generally don't care too much about
impressing guests, however, I won't act like an idiot and make them uncomfortable. If I were a guest, not from within the country, but overseas from a country of different culture, I wouldn't want to be traumatized by people aggressively begging for attention by shouting grammatically incorrect Japanese phrases. One could argue, "Well, they're on MY turf and I shouldn't have to bend my ways to cater to a guest." No, one isn't obligated to change oneself completely in the presence of a guest, but the least someone could do is pay a little respect. Most people don't have a problem of using respect from time to time, so it shouldn't be such a stretch just because it's a con.
Quote@Jun: You have too much written for me to quote it all. >____>
Lolololol.
QuoteBut I will give you a general answer. I agree with you. I am in no way suggesting that the law be broken. Far from it. All I wanted was recognition to act like an idiot as I please. However forcing yourself upon others, or following (i.e. stalking), while acting like an idiot or otherwise (being an idiot in this case is detrimental) is called harassment, and is against the law. I in no way stated that I promote harassment. I only stated that people should act like idiots if they want to, providing that it is within legal confines. Harassment is a federal offense, prostitution is a federal offense, and assault is a federal offense. But the actions that lead to these, might be interpreted differently, in different cases, which is why I suggested that the con members themselves regulate them. Being an idiot and harassing others do NOT go hand in hand. If an individual feels harassed or assaulted, they can take it to the proper con authority, and explain her case. What I think is a foolish idea is if there were staff members wandering the con, and slapping arbitrary people who glomp with demerits. The context is impossible to tell at first glance. I agree that non-consensual glomping is an issue, but we have to be careful about the way we deal with it, in order to ensure the enjoyment of as many people as we can in the con. Ignoring one population to please another is always a terrible way to go about things, and everyone must be thought of.
But it's back to square one now, isn't it? It isn't so much a desire to limit others of their freedom of individuality, to ban glomping, or to eradicate the need to have fun once in a while-- it's the glomping and glomp me signs that cause problems LIKE harassment. I agree with the statement that ignoring one group to satisfy the other is inefficient; if you cater to the needs of glompers, people are forced to "deal with" unwanted physical contact and personal space breaches. If you cater to the needs of people against glomping, it limits physical contact altogether.
Even then, I still don't understand why people reject the idea of compromise. This discussion somehow evolved into something to the likeness of a debate between conformist republican wankers and narcissistic liberal douche bags. If people acted civil just enough not to bother others, then no one has to boss and scold the other party with unnecessary rules.
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Quote from: Long on February 22, 2008, 11:54:23 AM
Quote from: phoenixphire24 on February 22, 2008, 11:38:09 AM
Quote from: Long on February 22, 2008, 11:03:23 AM
Quote from: phoenixphire24So basically your a selfish jerk face that doesn't care about anyone except yourself? You may not want to give guest and anyone else at the con a good impression, but most of the attendees do and so does the Fanime staff. When you buy a pass to Fanime, you're agreeing to certain codes of conduct. Being at a con does not mean you have the freedom to do whatever you want. Most people who go to Fanime do regulate themselves, but that doesn't mean there are no rules in place. No one is suggesting that glomping or signs have to go away completely, they just need to be regulated-as you suggest or otherwise- because of the few retards that go overboard. It's true that it will be hard to regulate, but people at least need to be made aware that there is a problem.
If you want to act like a jerk than fine, but don't complain when you get yelled at or thrown out by the staff or volunteers.
I think it's selfish of others to expect people to act a certain way just so they may impress their "idols" or whoever with the general characteristics of their demographic. I have the freedom to do whatever I want within the limits of the consequences I am liable to accept. Thank you for finally admitting my freedom to act like a jerk as I please.
I'm saying you can act like a jerk, just don't complain when you get yelled at for doing certain things. I'm not saying you have to "impress" anyone, just that you are among other people and should at least follow standard rules of conduct. Personally, I don't really care about the guests either, but that doesn't mean I'm going to run up to them acting like a moron either. Doing things like jumping on random people, messing with other's property, or otherwise harassing others shouldn't be tolerated at Fanime just because it's a con. If a staff person finds what you're doing unacceptable, then they're going to tell you so and you'll have to face the consequences. It might not be a "law" but you don't have a "right" to be at the con either. So do whatever, but if you're bothering me, I'll report your ass.
Bothering you personally, as I have already stated is harassment, and is illegal. I have already said that I have the right to act like a jerk or an idiot within legal confines. I'm just pissed off, because so many of you misconstrue idiocy and harassment. You can harass people without being an idiot, and you can be an idiot without harassing people. I have nothing to prove to anyone. I'm not going to go up to guests and harass them, but I'm not going to stop running around in circles around a column like a maniac or play insane games of hide-and-seek just because they're there either. I never said harassment should be tolerated at fanime. I say that idiocy, moronity, and jerkish behaviour SHOULD be tolerated at Fanime (at least within its official rules and regulations, if not by individuals).
Okay, at this point... it's just confusion with the use of the word "idiot". The word was brought up INITIALLY to describe the actions of the people doing them. It then progressed to using it to describe the behavior pertaining the right to freedom.
It's idiotic to harass people, in one sense. In the other sense, it's okay to act like an idiot when it's just you being yourself. The two uses of "idiot" have almost nothing to do with each other.
God damn. @_@
Quote from: Jun-WataraseIf people acted civil just enough not to bother others, then no one has to boss and scold the other party with unnecessary rules.
QuoteAGAIN, it isn't glomping that's the issue. It's the people. If people can handle the situation and improve, then there's less of a problem.
I notice the argument that "If the glompers hadn't glomped everyone without permission, then rules wouldn't need to be made." has been used a lot. The point is, that glompers did cause this to be a problem, and we need a solution for it. There's no point in saying "if" or thinking that they brought it upon themselves. People won't know it's wrong unless you inform them. We can't just expect everyone to change on their own, or as a result of this thread. We must educate the masses! 8D
We need a solution that will make everyone with half a brain or more happy (meaning ignoring those who won't settle for compromise).
QuoteOkay, at this point... it's just confusion with the use of the word "idiot". The word was brought up INITIALLY to describe the actions of the people doing them. It then progressed to using it to describe the behavior pertaining the right to freedom.
It's idiotic to harass people, in one sense. In the other sense, it's okay to act like an idiot when it's just you being yourself. The two uses of "idiot" have almost nothing to do with each other.
God damn. @_@
I've been using the characteristic form of "idiot" the entire time in my arguments. >__>; The English language needs to be clearer. xP
Quote from: phoenixphire24 on February 22, 2008, 09:21:18 AM
Quote from: fold on February 22, 2008, 12:21:02 AM
keep fighting the good fight long<3
While non-consensual glomping is irritating- theres nothing you can do about it, except report your own cases. I love glompers and I think that the interaction that goes on in fanime is special- its a bunch of dorks- dorking out in a way that does not happen in everyday society. You don't just walk down the streets of your town- or city as you may have it- and see handsome boys dressed as wantunuki, or pretty girls dress as chii, or anybody dressed like a pocky or wii-mote. at fanime we connect even just through the way we dress- or the games we play of the screening we may find ourselves in.
those who have "gone for ten years" and "this is not what makes fanime what it is" are the old geezers yelling at the teenagers for what they've done to rock n' roll- get over it- WE'RE IN YOR FANIME EATIN YOR POCKY!!!!
loves!
No, I will not "get over it." Glomping randomly and "rock and roll" are not the same thing by a long shot. There's nothing wrong with connecting with people, but if I cosplay for Fanime I am doing so to show my love for anime and to show off my sewing skills. This does not mean I want people to touch me!!! How hard is this to understand? I agree with Moonblossom; I shouldn't have to spend my time at the con watching out for people who, aside from making me feel uncomfortable, could cause damage to me and/or my property. I think most cosplayers, especially the ones with more elaborate costumes, feel the same way. I have NO PROBLEM with people who ask. I will not tolerate being ambushed. And Fanime needs to try and keep these people in check before someone gets hurt and sues.
Quote from: Long on February 21, 2008, 09:48:40 PM
I'm sorry, but to me, being an anime fan automatically implies that you are in some way idiotic. They very nature of most anime characters are idiotic, and anime fans usually try to act as much like their character as they possibly can, hence cosplaying and the like.
I don't see what the issue is with attention whoring. Again, that's just another characteristic of anime fans. The entire point is to grab as much attention as you can, with your cosplay or whatever. Prostitution, however, is against the law. I have no qualms against the prohibition of that.
Pretty much. Nothing else at Fanime draws much attention for me anymore. It's about being who you are with your friends. All that extra stuff means nothing to me.
I don't know where you get off saying that "anime fans" are all idiotic, attention whoring, and simply cosplay to act like the characters they're dressing as. As you admit, you are clearly not at Fanime for the anime and are not much of a fan of anime, so please don't assume to know how fans act. Some can be more enthuastic than others, and yet still manage to control themselves. I have no idea why you come to Fanime at all.
Quote from: Long on February 21, 2008, 09:48:40 PM
Quote from: phoenixphire24Sorry, but doing "any crazy shit we wanted to" is usually what leads to anal-retentive rules at cons. You and your friends are a small number of the 12,000+ attendees, plus guests (who may not be from America), dealers, other presenters, and who ever else might be around that is not involved with the con. Certain rules are in place to keep everyone safe and makes the convention center and the city of San Jose want to have Fanime back year after year. As cheesy as it might sound, when you are at a con, you represent anime fans and messing around and causing problems gives other anime fans and Fanime a bad name. Do you think guests from over seas want to come to cons where people are running around and acting like idiots? Coming to a con and being with your friends and other anime fans does not entitle you to act as you please. Everyone should have a good time and still be able to act appropriately. If you and your friends can't do this, than please go elsewhere.
I don't give a damn about overseas guests. If certain people want to make a good impression, they can go ahead and do that, but you shouldn't limit the people that only want to have fun; forcing them to try and live up to some kind of stupid standard just so the other people don't feel like they haven't impressed their favorite guests or whatever. Everyone is different, and they have different ways of expressing themselves. I don't want to impress guests. And I don't give a fuck about the impression I give to the rest of the world or San Jose city. Labels are idiotic and I don't have to represent anything if I don't want to. If I do unintentionally, well it sucks for the people that adhere to that label, but it's not my problem. I act as I please, either at the con, or any place else, and nothing has to entitle me to that. I act appropriately enough not to get kicked out, but I'm sick of people who continue to try to create rules to stop people who just try to be who they are. If I want to act like an idiot, then I can very well act like an idiot if I please. I'm all for limiting the amount of rough-housing, but how the hell do you plan on creating a rule for that without banning it entirely? "Everyone must ask before they glomp." Is all nice and good on paper, but how the hell are you going to enforce it?
I'm just afraid that movements like this, and the banning of the signs (which I think is utterly stupid) is just a precursor for removing aspects of the con that I've always known to be there. I'm far removed from the fandom, and the reason I come to this con is just to hang out with my friends, and act like the idiot I am. It was a comfortable environment, because about 80% of the people there were idiots as well. Now the 20% are trying to enforce strict rules on the others to stop their fun and their freedom. It's basic elitism.
My proposed solution is perhaps informational pamphlets about glomping and perhaps sign usage that may dissuade people from doing it in the wrong manner, or to lay down the rules of etiquette of glomping or other exchanges with other con members. A manners booklet perhaps, before you set down a iron-clad rule. Let the con-goers regulate their own habits, and if they break etiquette, the victim can go to a con moderator to report harassment, or dish out their own punishment.
So basically your a selfish jerk face that doesn't care about anyone except yourself? You may not want to give guest and anyone else at the con a good impression, but most of the attendees do and so does the Fanime staff. When you buy a pass to Fanime, you're agreeing to certain codes of conduct. Being at a con does not mean you have the freedom to do whatever you want. Most people who go to Fanime do regulate themselves, but that doesn't mean there are no rules in place. No one is suggesting that glomping or signs have to go away completely, they just need to be regulated-as you suggest or otherwise- because of the few retards that go overboard. It's true that it will be hard to regulate, but people at least need to be made aware that there is a problem.
If you want to act like a jerk than fine, but don't complain when you get yelled at or thrown out by the staff or volunteers.
it's going to happen anyways- i'm sorry. the best thing you can do is report your individual cases. I WON'T be the one glomping you- so it's no skin off my behind. Glomping isn't banned- signs aren't banned. As far we we've been informed Fanime is the same as last year. If your sign is offensive- they have rules that make it ok for them to tell you to lose it, that has always been the case.
As for you who have been raped- that is altogether inappropriate to bring up in a public forum, mostly because you're not the only one- and this is not the time nor place. If you have an issue that personal with what i post, you can pm me.
And i think that the development of rock n' roll is entirely accurate analogy. Fanime has changed from what it used to be to the "old timers" if you dont like it, don't listen- or bring your own tunes. Cause you can't you can't change what we listen to- sorry our music is more fun then yours.
<3 paje
quoted from jun, "Don't tell others to just get over it because you're a retarded weeaboo that feels the need to touch people who don't want to be touched. They don't have to, and if they wanted to, they could make it more of a problem because it's technically against the law. How about I light up a cigarette and start following you around and blowing my crap in your direction, and once I'm done, how about I put it out on your face. Got a problem? Get over it.
But I know better and know that things aren't done this way."
I personally don't touch other people. And if you follow me around with your cigarette, well first of all, the cigarette doesn't bother me, but if you put it out in my face and i punch/report you- thats my choice, but i can't stop you if you're going to do it.
It's a perfectly valid argument as to why I'm so adamantly against random glomps which is totally relative to this discussion. Rape is not something to be hidden or shushed up or discussed behind closed doors. If there's a rule somewhere against me talking about something that happened to me and shaped part of who I am, feel free to report my post, but I'm not going to bother PMing someone when I can post in the public forum and allow everyone to discuss it openly.
I don't recall claiming anywhere that I was the only person on the planet to ever have been sexually assaulted so I have no idea what that part of your argument is about, just saying that it really upsets me to get randomly touched by strangers because of it.
If it's happened to someone else and they don't want to discuss it, that's their business. But for me talking openly is the only way to get power over things that terrify me.
Honestly, this thread is full of idiocy at this point, I've said all I have to say, you can continue to try to defend this asinine behaviour all you like. I'm just going to report anyone who touches me in a way that makes me uncomfortable.
Quote from: Long on February 22, 2008, 04:31:01 PM
Quote from: Jun-WataraseIf people acted civil just enough not to bother others, then no one has to boss and scold the other party with unnecessary rules.
QuoteAGAIN, it isn't glomping that's the issue. It's the people. If people can handle the situation and improve, then there's less of a problem.
I notice the argument that "If the glompers hadn't glomped everyone without permission, then rules wouldn't need to be made." has been used a lot. The point is, that glompers did cause this to be a problem, and we need a solution for it. There's no point in saying "if" or thinking that they brought it upon themselves. People won't know it's wrong unless you inform them. We can't just expect everyone to change on their own, or as a result of this thread. We must educate the masses! 8D
We need a solution that will make everyone with half a brain or more happy (meaning ignoring those who won't settle for compromise).
Actually, many of them DO know it's wrong, and continue to glomp without permission. Example, last year I was acting as a handler for my sister who was in costume, trying to keep an eye out for people who were going to attempt to glomp her from behind since she had limited vision in her costume. I missed two people who came up and did a DOUBLE GLOMP FROM BEHIND. So of course we told them off, the gist of what we said was that they could seriously hurt someone, they needed to ask, etc.
So what happened? They go off, and less than five minutes later I see them doing it to someone else. In fact, they're probably the ones who glomped me from behind when I was mudkip, almost knocked me down, and then ran off before I could see who did it.
So, I think the issue is that fans need to work together to keep this from happening. If you see someone glomp someone without asking, tell them that they need to ask, even if you're not in costume. If enough people tell them, MAYBE they'll get the point. I know I'll be writing down badge numbers this year and potentially reporting people.
Heck, when you see someone running you probably need to tell them to walk. But I think that much we can leave up to the Rovers.
QuoteAnd i think that the development of rock n' roll is entirely accurate analogy. Fanime has changed from what it used to be to the "old timers" if you dont like it, don't listen- or bring your own tunes. Cause you can't you can't change what we listen to- sorry our music is more fun then yours.
I really don't think it's an accurate analogy either. Yes, Fanime has change, but the Rock n' Roll change wasn't detrimental to people's wellbeing. Not sure how to accurately phrase what I mean, but I'm hoping you get the gist.
So, I DO think it's time something got changed, and I think it's time to stop the arguing back and forth of "deal with it" "I don't have to, it's assault", and it's time to work together on a solution.
Example: On the TV screens that have random announcements around the Con, maybe have them show a list of Common Courtesies and a Code of Conduct.
What do the rest of you think?
There's always pepper spray.
*claps* OHHH that sounds fun, even more than Stun Guns!
Quote from: Xeluu on February 22, 2008, 06:25:26 PM
Actually, many of them DO know it's wrong, and continue to glomp without permission. Example, last year I was acting as a handler for my sister who was in costume, trying to keep an eye out for people who were going to attempt to glomp her from behind since she had limited vision in her costume. I missed two people who came up and did a DOUBLE GLOMP FROM BEHIND. So of course we told them off, the gist of what we said was that they could seriously hurt someone, they needed to ask, etc.
So what happened? They go off, and less than five minutes later I see them doing it to someone else. In fact, they're probably the ones who glomped me from behind when I was mudkip, almost knocked me down, and then ran off before I could see who did it.
So, I think the issue is that fans need to work together to keep this from happening. If you see someone glomp someone without asking, tell them that they need to ask, even if you're not in costume. If enough people tell them, MAYBE they'll get the point. I know I'll be writing down badge numbers this year and potentially reporting people.
Heck, when you see someone running you probably need to tell them to walk. But I think that much we can leave up to the Rovers.
I am not averse to reporting someone if someone is harassing you. An informational network between con members is a good idea, but not as wide-reaching as pamphlets.
QuoteSo, I DO think it's time something got changed, and I think it's time to stop the arguing back and forth of "deal with it" "I don't have to, it's assault", and it's time to work together on a solution.
Example: On the TV screens that have random announcements around the Con, maybe have them show a list of Common Courtesies and a Code of Conduct.
What do the rest of you think?
Okay, this is a GREAT idea. It won't cost anything, since it eliminates the cost of printing. Still, not everyone watches those, but it would still eliminate a lot of the excess glomping. =]
You people really need to stop the debates on Glomping. Seriously.
Some people hate it, others don't.
Neither of you will ever change the others mind.
Please stop, you're scaring off the new forum members.