This was my first con and it was ABSOLUTELY amazing! The only thing I had a little trouble with was getting bum rushed in the elevators. People need to wait for others to exit the elevators first and also let people get on who have been waiting. I can't tell you how many times I had to push through people or get loud when I was trying to get off and people came pouring through the doors as soon as they opened. Just a little manners and patience please!!!
Thoughts?
Yeah I know what you mean, that's the way I've always seen it at the cons though. Idk what could be done that would HONESTLY change it. :-\
The elevators at the Marriot were ridiculous. My friends and I had to hike up five flights of stairs every time we wanted to get to their rooms because the elevators were always packed and always busy. I definitely know how you feel.
well at least the elevators were kinda fast, I mean I can only hold my breath for so long, I swear some people have never been shown what soap is or how to use it. I think the only thing that came close to the funky bunch were the people who thought they didn't need a shower because they had body spray or perfume, come one now you smell like a funky bunch of flowers, I understand the rooms have showers soap and towels, maybe next year we get a forum on how to use those items found in the hotel rooms.
spare the air. ;D and mind others waiting for the elevator.
Apparently people don't know about manners.
Here's a hotel tip:
When booking, always request for a low floor to avoid the elevators. IE: Floors 4, 5, or 6. *I* always make this request if it's possible. It's faster to take the stairs and avoid the smelly people when you're in a hurry.
If the elevator is packed I just wait for the next one to come up or go down. I found to be really irritating when people just come right on in to an already overcrowded elevator with all their stuff, making it more cramped. I really wished people had the patience to wait. Also, Hilton Side here, by the way. Anyone also had problems with the middle elevator? Hilton staff had to stop running it for a while on Saturday due to malfunctions.
Isn't this kind of thing inevitable during peak times of operation? Elevators being crowded and what have you. But I do agree that people need more manners, but that's just people in general, not limiting to FanimeCon-goers. wwwww
Quote from: Knightfire on May 31, 2009, 11:35:08 AM
Anyone also had problems with the middle elevator? Hilton staff had to stop running it for a while on Saturday due to malfunctions.
I don't know if it was similar to what happened on Monday morning, but I was in another elevator with a Hilton building engineer going down and we asked him about the stuck elevator. He said it was stuck because people had been jumping in it.
I was in a Hilton elevator on Saturday when the crowd decided to jump also. I asked them the stop and got off at my floor, but I don't know if they kept jumping after that. Not sure why they would do something like that. There's enough fun things to do at con besides getting stuck in a broken elevator.
Unfortunately, con-goer behavior seemed to be a big issue (this was my first Fanime and it was the one negative thing I noticed). There seems a "pack" mentality for doing silly/stupid things sometimes. A few idiots suggest something and more idiots just seem to go along with it. Not sure how that can be regulated unless all the other con-goers speak-up when it happens and asks them to stop. I don't think it's malicious. I do think it's thoughtless and stupid.
On the subject of elevator etiquette, in addition to what others have said:
1) Don't yell at people waiting for the elevator to "take the stairs instead". Seriously. Someone did this to us one day at the Marriot (fifth floor), and when I'm standing there with a prop almost as big as I am that'd be a hazard to take down the stairwell, that's just juvenile.
2) Button-pushing. Please, for the love of whatever you hold sacred, DO NOT PUSH ALL THE BUTTONS. It's not funny. It never was funny. It's part of these blasted elevator delays, and it only pisses people off.
3) Because it can't be stressed enough: common courtesy. If people have been waiting, let them go first. If people come through that obviously need the elevators (e.g. wheelchairs), try to accomodate. It's not that hard, really.
Quote from: codex biblio on May 31, 2009, 09:08:54 PM
Quote from: Knightfire on May 31, 2009, 11:35:08 AM
Anyone also had problems with the middle elevator? Hilton staff had to stop running it for a while on Saturday due to malfunctions.
I don't know if it was similar to what happened on Monday morning, but I was in another elevator with a Hilton building engineer going down and we asked him about the stuck elevator. He said it was stuck because people had been jumping in it.
I was in a Hilton elevator on Saturday when the crowd decided to jump also. I asked them the stop and got off at my floor, but I don't know if they kept jumping after that. Not sure why they would do something like that. There's enough fun things to do at con besides getting stuck in a broken elevator.
Unfortunately, con-goer behavior seemed to be a big issue (this was my first Fanime and it was the one negative thing I noticed). There seems a "pack" mentality for doing silly/stupid things sometimes. A few idiots suggest something and more idiots just seem to go along with it. Not sure how that can be regulated unless all the other con-goers speak-up when it happens and asks them to stop. I don't think it's malicious. I do think it's thoughtless and stupid.
That's exactly why they stopped the middle elevator on Saturday Evening. This isn't the first time this has happened either.
One of these conventions, people will die/get injured/get stuck while jumping in the elevator and then maybe people will learn.
"1) Don't yell at people waiting for the elevator to "take the stairs instead". Seriously. Someone did this to us one day at the Marriot (fifth floor), and when I'm standing there with a prop almost as big as I am that'd be a hazard to take down the stairwell, that's just juvenile."
While I didn't see anybody yell, I did hear people mumble about it. Personally, I don't see the point if someone is fully capable of walking, to wait for an elevator that's just gonna be packed to the point such that you can't even get in, so you have to wait for the next elevator that will just be the same thing, just 'cause you don't wanna walk down a few flights of stairs. It's your own time that you're wasting.
Quote from: Dracil on June 02, 2009, 05:47:43 PM
One of these conventions, people will die/get injured/get stuck while jumping in the elevator and then maybe people will learn.
"1) Don't yell at people waiting for the elevator to "take the stairs instead". Seriously. Someone did this to us one day at the Marriot (fifth floor), and when I'm standing there with a prop almost as big as I am that'd be a hazard to take down the stairwell, that's just juvenile."
While I didn't see anybody yell, I did hear people mumble about it. Personally, I don't see the point if someone is fully capable of walking, to wait for an elevator that's just gonna be packed to the point such that you can't even get in, so you have to wait for the next elevator that will just be the same thing, just 'cause you don't wanna walk down a few flights of stairs. It's your own time that you're wasting.
I heard quite a few people yell this and I told them off (with logic) for it. One of the times I was in obvious pain and very ill. Taking the stairs would have completely done me in. And another time I was in the elevator when people were yelling it at people on the fifth floor. I got them to look guilty and actually apologize.
If people are willing to wait for the elevator, that's their choice. The point most people seem to forget, however, is that we all pay for the same right to use the elevator. I'll gladly take the stairs if someone wants to pay for a chunk of my hotel room bill to make up for the inconvenience of not having the use of the elevator, though ;). And be willing to carry me up and down them safely if I find myself doubled over in pain again.
People should not be making their own judgments about who can and cannot use the elevator. It's rude and honestly, it just makes that person look like a complete jerk.
I do agree with you how we shouldn't yell at others to not get on the elevator, it does go both ways however. People wanting to get on an elevator should be courteous and should not get on when the elevator is already crowded, or at least ask if it's possible to fit one more. Sadly, this rarely happened.
I just want to remind people out there that the use of elevators is a must for some of us. I personally have to use the elevator to go up. No exceptions. If you see me (after going up three flights of stairs) please call an ambulance, because I will be that body slumped over in the stairwell not answering you all because I had to go up to my room and took the stairs instead of the elevator after waiting five minutes.. I fear that no one will find me if I do pass out or have an issue when I am in the stairwell, but getting to my room to lay down seems to take longer and longer.
If you don't need a lower floor for health reasons... please don't take up the room... It is a lot easier for most of you to go up six flights of stairs... I know of three people who attend conventions as staff/industry/guest on a somewhat regular basis whom need a lower floor room because of elevator/stair issues and their physical limitations.... BTW... I really REALLY thought it sucked that NONE of the escalators were working in the con center or the Fairmont when I went to the B & W Ball.
Quote from: Knightfire on June 03, 2009, 12:38:51 AM
I do agree with you how we shouldn't yell at others to not get on the elevator, it does go both ways however. People wanting to get on an elevator should be courteous and should not get on when the elevator is already crowded, or at least ask if it's possible to fit one more. Sadly, this rarely happened.
Oh I perfectly agree. I unfortunately witnessed this happening as well and was appalled by it. I noticed these people were also the ones who seemed to also have no issue cutting in front of others who had been waiting long before they had.
All of these are little minor annoyances compared to the bigger issue: people just plain being inconsiderate of others. I was incredibly disheartened by how I saw people behaving in regards to the elevators and each other.
Quote from: BSaphire on June 03, 2009, 11:42:58 AM
If you don't need a lower floor for health reasons... please don't take up the room... It is a lot easier for most of you to go up six flights of stairs... I know of three people who attend conventions as staff/industry/guest on a somewhat regular basis whom need a lower floor room because of elevator/stair issues and their physical limitations.... BTW... I really REALLY thought it sucked that NONE of the escalators were working in the con center or the Fairmont when I went to the B & W Ball.
I don't think anyone should judge who should and should not be allowed to have a lower floor, either. At what point do you say "that's not a valid reason"? Who's the judge of that?
Not trying to be a brat, but if someone has specific needs--such as needing a lower floor due to medical need--then they should be alerting the hotel before they arrive so that their requests can hopefully be accommodated. It's the person with the special need's responsibility.
nothing can be done about etiquette. too many people. you just have to bite your lip and take it or take the stairs.
Of coarse you can always mow them down with a giant pocky stick.
I took the stairs when I could, with my 50+lb of art supplies/prints every day. When I couldn't, I cleaned up a bit early, and used the elevators before their was a rush.
Yes, people need to learn elevator etiquette. We can't really school people who refuse to be respectful in that sense. We all pay the same amount for the hotel and the use of its services. It's not really fair to say, hey, you're on the ___th floor, take the stairs, etc. As for what floor of the hotel you are on, unless you request for a lower floor due to health issues (once again, personal responsibility), they're going to place you as they see fit. I arrived the afternoon before this year (around 4pm) and got a lower floor. I arrived at midnight last year, and got a higher floor. Not a big deal.
People are rushed and excited and forget their basic manners. It didn't happen to me, but I can understand how it can easily happen. But that doesn't excuse it.
Quote from: Kender on June 03, 2009, 08:53:19 PM
Quote from: Knightfire on June 03, 2009, 12:38:51 AM
I do agree with you how we shouldn't yell at others to not get on the elevator, it does go both ways however. People wanting to get on an elevator should be courteous and should not get on when the elevator is already crowded, or at least ask if it's possible to fit one more. Sadly, this rarely happened.
Oh I perfectly agree. I unfortunately witnessed this happening as well and was appalled by it. I noticed these people were also the ones who seemed to also have no issue cutting in front of others who had been waiting long before they had.
All of these are little minor annoyances compared to the bigger issue: people just plain being inconsiderate of others. I was incredibly disheartened by how I saw people behaving in regards to the elevators and each other.
Quote from: BSaphire on June 03, 2009, 11:42:58 AM
If you don't need a lower floor for health reasons... please don't take up the room... It is a lot easier for most of you to go up six flights of stairs... I know of three people who attend conventions as staff/industry/guest on a somewhat regular basis whom need a lower floor room because of elevator/stair issues and their physical limitations.... BTW... I really REALLY thought it sucked that NONE of the escalators were working in the con center or the Fairmont when I went to the B & W Ball.
I don't think anyone should judge who should and should not be allowed to have a lower floor, either. At what point do you say "that's not a valid reason"? Who's the judge of that?
Not trying to be a brat, but if someone has specific needs--such as needing a lower floor due to medical need--then they should be alerting the hotel before they arrive so that their requests can hopefully be accommodated. It's the person with the special need's responsibility.
I honestly wasn't "judging" I was more asking "If you don't need a lower floor for health reasons...
please don't take up the room..." thus why I said Please.
People will do as they want, but since this was about etiquette I thought it might be nice to point out that there are handicapped and disabled people that attend Fanime and other conventions. Since the majority of the handicapped rooms are on lower floors I thought I would throw it out there. I personally do request lower floors for my issues and I do agree that it is the responsibility of the disabled/handicapped person to request such a need.
I felt for the guy I say with the hip/spine? disability whom was walking up the stairs during con. I see lots of elevator antics during different hours of the convention and wanted to point out that not everything is a prop (wheelchairs, canes, etc..) and many times those with disabilities are over looked by the other attendees.
Shouldn't elevator etiquette include behavior that can effect them also?
I've been to (not a LOT, but several) cons and crowded elevators seem to always be a problem.
The only thing I've experienced at Fanime as opposed to other cons was lack of elevator etiquette. Not only people not waiting in line (jumping ahead of people or "going to sit down on the bench" only to enter the elevator ahead of their friends and the people ahead of THEM) and not waiting for people to get off the elevator, but at one time I went upstairs to my floor and the entire HALLWAY in front of the elevator was filled with people from the con sitting and talking.
As I'm trying to step around them (not easy; you couldn't even sit with a PATH made?) they joked that they were the "welcoming party".
Dude, that's not only really annoying and inconsiderate, but it also CAN'T be safe.
Gotta say though, it seemed like especially this year people weren't thinking of common courtesy in general. (some jerk on a megaphone blasted some poor guy dressed as a Naruto character [I apologize, I'm not at ALL familiar with that one lol] by calling through it: "Wow, Goku, you got FAT!" -- Dude, not funny, just mean.)
But especially when there are people staying at the hotels totally unrelated to Fanime, I think as a community we need to step up our game on common sense and plain-old-politeness. To be honest, I was a little hesitant to wear my badge outside of the center because I was worried people would expect the same behavior out of me. :(
Quote from: BSaphire on June 09, 2009, 12:24:07 PM
People will do as they want, but since this was about etiquette I thought it might be nice to point out that there are handicapped and disabled people that attend Fanime and other conventions. Since the majority of the handicapped rooms are on lower floors I thought I would throw it out there. I personally do request lower floors for my issues and I do agree that it is the responsibility of the disabled/handicapped person to request such a need.
I felt for the guy I say with the hip/spine? disability whom was walking up the stairs during con. I see lots of elevator antics during different hours of the convention and wanted to point out that not everything is a prop (wheelchairs, canes, etc..) and many times those with disabilities are over looked by the other attendees.
Shouldn't elevator etiquette include behavior that can effect them also?
The last sentence sums it up. Just like not blocking doorways / walkways, and goofing around on the stairs and escalators.
And to the person(s) on the elevator that yelled "Use the stairs!" Don't assume that because someone is standing in line for the elevator or just walked towards the elevators that they can easily walk up the stairs. You may not know if they have something to go up with them, or like me have trouble with stairs. It's okay to recommend to others where the stairs are, but don't act like you own the elevator.
And on the issue of safety, screwing around in a small enclosure like an elevator is stupid.
I've also seen to many people that play around on escalators the don't realize how dangerous they can be. Don't sit on them. It's really easy to get your shoes or clothing caught in the comb plates at the ends. Don't ride on the hand-rails. You can stop, or damage the escalator, and injure yourself or other riders.
Quote from: Raymei on June 09, 2009, 05:48:52 PM
(some jerk on a megaphone blasted some poor guy dressed as a Naruto character [I apologize, I'm not at ALL familiar with that one lol] by calling through it: "Wow, Goku, you got FAT!" -- Dude, not funny, just mean.)
If that the is the person I think it is....that guy has been taken care of.
That actually happened?
Quote from: Raymei on June 09, 2009, 05:48:52 PM
I've been to (not a LOT, but several) cons and crowded elevators seem to always be a problem.
The only thing I've experienced at Fanime as opposed to other cons was lack of elevator etiquette. Not only people not waiting in line (jumping ahead of people or "going to sit down on the bench" only to enter the elevator ahead of their friends and the people ahead of THEM) and not waiting for people to get off the elevator, but at one time I went upstairs to my floor and the entire HALLWAY in front of the elevator was filled with people from the con sitting and talking.
As I'm trying to step around them (not easy; you couldn't even sit with a PATH made?) they joked that they were the "welcoming party".
Dude, that's not only really annoying and inconsiderate, but it also CAN'T be safe.
Gotta say though, it seemed like especially this year people weren't thinking of common courtesy in general. (some jerk on a megaphone blasted some poor guy dressed as a Naruto character [I apologize, I'm not at ALL familiar with that one lol] by calling through it: "Wow, Goku, you got FAT!" -- Dude, not funny, just mean.)
But especially when there are people staying at the hotels totally unrelated to Fanime, I think as a community we need to step up our game on common sense and plain-old-politeness. To be honest, I was a little hesitant to wear my badge outside of the center because I was worried people would expect the same behavior out of me. :(
I can only recall two males with megaphone/bullhorns.
1) Prob dosen't know who Goku is and has is own agenda
2) The Rovers and upper management are aware of the 2nd person and that issue has been addressed.
Quote from: Knightfire on June 11, 2009, 03:48:04 PM
That actually happened?
the Megaphone insult? Yeah. He was out front on Monday while my brothers and I waited for our ride.
I saw the other guy on the megaphone, he didn't cause any problems that I saw and was actually using it to compliment some cosplayers. The guy that I saw Monday was just talking into the mic with his friends (yeah, we all want to hear just YOUR part of the conversation because everything you say must be so interesting) and would occasionally use it to heckle con-goers.
It was just mean. I'm glad he's been dealt with.
I always request for the lower level since I'm rooming with several cosplayers and we all have lots of luggages that are heavy. Plus, some of us will be tired from walking, dancing or other events going on.
I actually had problems going up the stairs when I walked up because my legs started to cramp up and I almost slipped down in my boots if I hadn't hold onto the rail. Luckily, my friend was with me.
I haven't had problems yet when I was at the Hilton and actually, I strike up some conversations in the elevator.
When I was in the Marriott elevator, I was smashed up against the wall by some guy, and he put his hand on the wall over my head, putting my face about an inch from his sweaty armpit. I'm pretty short, and so it was not fun. I almost passed out from holding my breath from the smell. =p
Just a note to everyone in elevator: DO NOT PUT YOUR ARMS UP! O.O
See you next Fanime! ^_^
hmmm... i know all the fanime staff is probably busy 24/7 during the con, but if they have a staff member to spare, they could maybe be an elevator bouncer or something during the busiest 1-2 hours of the day... just to reduce some of the shenanigans like PUSHING ALL THE BUTTONS and being inconsiderate and rude to people who really need the elevators for reasons like injuries and fatigue and props and big shoes and stuff.
I was on the 17th floor of the Marriot, but by the second day of the con I realized that there were other people who needed the elevators more than I did so I took to running up and down the stairs. Yes, it took forever. I just told myself it was good crosstraining (I'm a dancer) and that I was making more space in the elevators. I hope that helped someone somewhere in the elevator system of the Marriot in some small way! I have a lot of respect for people with health problems and am a firm believer that they deserve the elevators and repect from everyone.
good idea, but also bear in mind that during those times that the elevators are most busy are the same time that the con is most busy and are short on staff.
true... maybe if i'm not busy I will be a bellhop!
Hopefully this isn't too much of a thread necro.... Just a thought, and I have no idea if it's plausible or not....
Maybe set up an actual line for the elevators in Marriott/Hilton? They've got the little rope-dealies that are used in banks and disneyland, and also at the check-in counter. If they have a few extra perhaps they could actually set up an elevator line in the hallways.
There were multiple times where my sister and I were waiting for an elevator only to have one of us not get a space since everyone would bum-rush the second the doors opened.
Also: on Monday please please PLEASE try and accommodate people who are attempting to get on the elevator if it's just them and one item. There were multiple elevators that I saw go by that could have fit one more only to have people scream at me to take the stairs or that it was full. I know it's busy and a stressful time, but there's no reason to be rude.
wow this thread is bringing back bad memories!! The fairmont had the most crowd free elevators out of any of the cons I went to...THE WORST ELEVATOR is the Marriott BY FAR!! Worst experience...was being in the elevator getting glomped by this masked ninja who SOOOOO had not taken a shower the whole con...and this was on a Sunday! Then his equally sweaty friend...who looked like he had a backyard made cosplay tried to glomp me as well...thank God my ducking skills are on point!! LOL I can still smell the sweat on my shoulder!! :'( proper etiquette would definately be to please wear deoderant & shower on a regular basis...DO NOT remove any footing wear while in a confined elevator/ space!! Please cover your mouth when sneezing and coughing...AND FOR THE LOVE OF ALL FANIME!!! ASK if the person minds getting glomped BEFORE you do the glomping!! Also if it looks like there is not enough room for you in the elevator..please do not TRY to make room!! And #1 no-no do not get off the elevator and press all the floor buttons...it really sucks to be the person on the top floor having to stop at every level!! ::)
Someone actually started pushing all the buttons in my elevator once so I hit the stop button and started yelling at him. I'm pretty sure I asked if his mother was proud of him being a little...well, you get the idea. I think I made him cry, but if that's what it takes to make those brats stop I'll gladly do it again.
Also, as to Elevator locations and speeds, the Fairmont has the nice one, the Hilton smells like feet, and the Saint Claire is probably the slowest.
What annoys me extremely is when the elevator is set to close the door, someone gets in , and I get delayed.
Delayed by a whole ten seconds? Oh lordy, how inconvenient for you. ::)
Imagine you're the person on the other side of that elevator door - you don't get into the elevator at the last second, and you get delayed by a LOT longer than that.
I always hold the elevator door if I see someone dashing towards it, as long as the elevator isn't already full to capacity.
yes. i like this person. she is considerate. to sum up some of the more positive ideas on this thread, we should:
1) try to get the hotel to put up rope dealies
2) before the door closes, look and see if anyone is running desperately to get in, and let them in
3) be courteous of EVERYONE, because you never know if they have a handicap or have a real emergency
4) use (at least) a death glare against anyone who tries to push all the buttons
5) if you are mature, responsible person (thank god for them at cons like this) perhaps act as a bellhop during your ride and push buttons for people, asking which floor they need and such
6) always try to squeeze people in. if they can't stand being in close quarters, that's their problem.
i'll come back and add more later, gotta run~~
Edit: as for number six, I definitely didn't think that one through, my apologies. What I meant though, was that people shouldn't just automatically yell "we're full go away" if in actuality there is room for another person. This happened a couple times to me.
Yes, by all means, costumes are one of the most important things at fanime, respect other people's costumes. I apologize for overlooking that.
I'm mildly disabled myself (as I've whined about elsewhere on the forums). Not to the point of needing a walking aid at all times, but often times I do walk with a cane. I try to put myself in the other person's position, and rather than think "argh they're making me late why don't they just take the stairs?!" I think "Maybe they're like me and in a lot of pain, maybe they can't take the stairs."
If I'm a few seconds later getting downstairs, so what? If I have anywhere urgent to be at a con, I make sure to leave my room with plenty of leeway time.
michiko, your suggestions are all good ones. I also try to push the buttons for other people if the elevator is crowded and they can't reach easily. It's no extra effort on my part, and saves a lot of squooshing and shuffling around.
The only one I'd be careful about is squeezing lots of people in - the limits in elevators are for safety as well as comfort, they can only handle so much weight before they start having difficulty.
Since this thread's already been revived, one thing worth noting on the "cramming folks into elevators" front: please, please be understanding of folks who cannot squish. Both I and others in my cosplay group wear costumes that have fragile elements and would potentially be damaged by such things. At another con there was someone running around covered in fake blood, and I shudder at the notion of someone like that cramming into an elevator next to my giant white hooped dress. It's the same sort of etiquette as running around a con: be considerate, but don't invade people's personal space. If you need to fit more people in, ask. I think that's a common-sense thing that's overlooked more often than not.
(Wow, I sound rather cranky. I admit the elevators have been an issue for me at enough cons that I probably am.)
A very good point made on the disability issue, Moonblossom -- my sister is arthritic to the point of fairly severe pain, and though she doesn't use any sort of walking aid, for her to have to take the stairs would probably destroy her weekend in terms of the aftereffects. It'd be nice if people remembered not to judge based on appearance alone.
One other thing:
I can't recall if this works at any of the hotel elevators at/around the convention center, however, if someone presses all the buttons, try pressing the Call Cancel button. I know of a few different elevators where this cancels the floor selection.
Can't recall if the Marriott has that or not. Regardless, I once got in a Marriott elevator where someone had pressed all the buttons. At about the 6th floor it cleared all the selections itself. This was a few years ago though, so I'm not sure if it's still true.
Charis, not being a cosplayer myself I admit I didn't think of that but it's definitely a valid concern.
I remember a few years back I saw someone dressed as Suu from Clover, and she had the most beautiful delicate wings made out of mechanics and what I think was thick mylar. I shudder to think what would have happened to them if she'd had to cram herself against a wall or something.
that would be such a godsend! ohhh i hope that marriot has that... well, if i'm lucky and get a floor that is level seven or below, i won't be using the elevators anyways. but still!! I hope the marriott elevators have that, because that would totally solve the douchebaggery of pushing all the buttons.
^i edited my other post, check it out