So, I have a question. I'm planning as dressing as Ghost from MW2 this year, and I already have the whole kit together. I just need to know what I can do for the weapon. According to the 2009 weapon's rules, it cannot have any moving parts. BUT, I have an M4 (Not real steel, cannot fire real bullets, etc.) It, however still has a few functioning parts, and I want to know what else I need to disable.
1. The trigger can still be pulled.
2. The stock can be collapsed into 5 positions.
3. There is a small lever on the stock that allows it to be collapsed.
4. The magazine release can be pushed in to release the magazine.
5. The flash hider (tip) can be removed. Do I need to glue it on?
I also have a glock (side-arm) that again has no functionality, but is just the shell of the gun.
1. The trigger can also be pulled
2. The slide can be pulled back.
3. The slide lock functions
4. The mag release is functional, and mags can be inserted and removed
Please note that none of these are real firearms, all stripped and gutted airsoft replicas that can no longer fire any kind of projectile.
What other modifications do I need to do?
what kind of bow can i bring?
For the Ghost costume, the general rule is to avoid any replicas of real guns, even gutted airsoft replicas.
If you want to have a prop gun to pose with, the safest route is to use a kids toy (such as a deactivated nerf gun) that is brightly colored.
I'll let someone else cover the bows since I'm a bit rusty on the prop policy.
good idea for the prop guns.. if it can be mistaken for a real gun at twenty feet or more DONT BRING IT.
Quote from: Nekomatt on December 29, 2009, 09:28:20 PM
So, I have a question. I'm planning as dressing as Ghost from MW2 this year, and I already have the whole kit together. I just need to know what I can do for the weapon. According to the 2009 weapon's rules, it cannot have any moving parts. BUT, I have an M4 (Not real steel, cannot fire real bullets, etc.) It, however still has a few functioning parts, and I want to know what else I need to disable.
1. The trigger can still be pulled.
2. The stock can be collapsed into 5 positions.
3. There is a small lever on the stock that allows it to be collapsed.
4. The magazine release can be pushed in to release the magazine.
5. The flash hider (tip) can be removed. Do I need to glue it on?
I also have a glock (side-arm) that again has no functionality, but is just the shell of the gun.
1. The trigger can also be pulled
2. The slide can be pulled back.
3. The slide lock functions
4. The mag release is functional, and mags can be inserted and removed
Please note that none of these are real firearms, all stripped and gutted airsoft replicas that can no longer fire any kind of projectile.
What other modifications do I need to do?
I would strongly suggest that you pose your questions to
[email protected]. One of the guys will be able to answer you.
I can not speak for them, but I will tell you that majority of conventions will not allow any real fire arms (functioning or not) due to state and local laws. If it looks real then you will freak someone out. There are too many law enforcement officers (both on and off duty) that visit the convention over the course of the weekend and you might just end up spending your con in the local police station answering questions.
As a fan of such series as Resident Evil, I can tell you that the weapons policy of most conventions has become what it is due to something that has happened in the past at some con or show. I was there when the SFPD showed up at JTAF 2 and were questioning some MGS and RE cosplayers about the "Weapons" they were carrying because a person was afraid that the group were going to attack patrons or were in the process of a "gang" war. That took about an hour to straighten out and no one went to jail to my understanding, but it could be scary to an outsider looking in.
Suggestion for what ever prop weapon you end up with: make sure that it looks NOT real as much as possible. A blazing orange tip and butt along with some other type of marking could go a long way. BUT I would like to state it again, please contact
[email protected] with your weapons/props questions. They are more of the authority on what will and will not be allowed at Fanime.
Thank you
BSaphire
basic rule of thumb is pretty much what everyone else is saying.
no replicas or anything resembling any real guns are allowed at the convention - tough but true.
Airsoft even non functioning Airsoft is not allowed. NO EXCEPTIONS.
preferably, if these 'gun' were to look as toy-like as possible. Neon / orange tips etc.
NO PAINTED gun like weapons. [i.e. an airsoft replica painted orange- big NO NO]
There WILL BE uniformed and plain clothes officers on sight. They are allow stricter [but nice about it] than the Fanime staff & Rovers.
as mentioned in an older thread: http://forums.fanime.com/index.php/topic,10256.msg292798.html#msg292798
even weapons that look like this will NOT be allowed :(
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Unfortunately they just look TOO REAL. Thats the breaks, in the post 911 world. :-[
I'd post the link to th official weapons policy, but I dont remember the link.
BEST way to get info is to e-mail us.
Actually you could contact my bosses and our deptartment.
[email protected] [email protected]or
[email protected]but we'll repost the info about weapons once the Rovers finalize the 2010 policies...
ALL PROP WEAPONS are to be inspected by Safety/ SOS /Rovers team
Once inspected WE (Fanime staff) will peace bond the weapon item for you.
NO LIVE STEEL. period.
this means any weapon made of metal with an edge is NOT allowed on the Fanime Concourse (any areas of the convention)
the ONLY exception is weapons bought from the Dealers room. That STAY in the cardboard box and immediately taken into storage.
Again a MORE details weapons policy will eventually be posted but thats some of the 'official' 411.
Ugh. As an airsoft owner (and fan of Ghost from MW2) it breaks my heart to have to enforce these rules and I commiserate, but it's for the best.
At least if you've got the mask and tac gear, you're 90% there.
What If I were to make the weapons out of cardboard or, even better, molded plastic?
Are lightsbaers allowed? A Master Replica Force FX. Here is the website description for it:
Enhanced glowing green blade with realistic power-up and power-down light effects. The power-
up and power-down light effects are produced by a string of 64 super-bright
LEDs that ignite sequentially inside the blade.
Authentic lightsaber sound effects digitally recorded from the movie
Features four motion sensor controlled sound effects: power-up, idle hum, clash,
and power-down Durable metal hilt looks and feels like a real lightsaber
Sturdy blade is permanently attached to the hilt.
If there are any issues with this please let me know. Thank you for your time
a wooden kendo sword or any old sword crafted out of wood and rubber is okay or no? Its not sharp at all except the point is...well.. pointy, but not sharp.
Quote from: Phantomhive.LolitaKei on January 16, 2010, 11:58:05 PM
a wooden kendo sword or any old sword crafted out of wood and rubber is okay or no? Its not sharp at all except the point is...well.. pointy, but not sharp.
this is one of the extremely grey area ones...
but i would default to ---- so long as this item PERTAINS to the cosplay you are going to dress up as, and your okay with having it either bonded to your costume in a way it will not be " unsheathed " that way it is ALWAYS attached to your hip/back... but sometimes that becomes more of a nuisance than anything.
if anything you may want to go into more detail about why the kendo sword and if its really " essential " to have with said costume.
otherwise you might way to e-mail the Rovers. Thanks
Andrew - The ForceFX saber is likely to shatter internally if you actually try to hurt anyone with it, and it's quite obviously not a real, threatening weapon, so I think it should be okay.
Do you already own one or are you considering buying it before the con? I sell them at the store I manage, and they really are ridiculously fragile. Gorgeous and super accurate, but fragile. If only for that reason, I'd suggest you find an alternative. They're a big investment to have bonk against a dealer table while you're browsing and break in half...
Quote from: Jerry on January 17, 2010, 02:30:56 AM
Quote from: Phantomhive.LolitaKei on January 16, 2010, 11:58:05 PM
a wooden kendo sword or any old sword crafted out of wood and rubber is okay or no? Its not sharp at all except the point is...well.. pointy, but not sharp.
this is one of the extremely grey area ones...
but i would default to ---- so long as this item PERTAINS to the cosplay you are going to dress up as, and your okay with having it either bonded to your costume in a way it will not be " unsheathed " that way it is ALWAYS attached to your hip/back... but sometimes that becomes more of a nuisance than anything.
if anything you may want to go into more detail about why the kendo sword and if its really " essential " to have with said costume.
otherwise you might way to e-mail the Rovers. Thanks
It doesn't have a sheath its basically a stick of wood with a rubber hilt. A bokken. Heres a link to an almost identical version: http://static.desktopnexus.com/wallpapers/80833-bigthumbnail.jpg
Only difference are the colors. Pretty much the same.
Kendo swords can huuuuurt if wielded by someone incompetent horsing around - I was hit with one by some twit thinking it wouldn't hurt, and I had subcutaneous bruising for eons. People who train with them typically know what their limits are and how to pull back, but if someone grabs it from you and starts playing the fool, they could seriously injure a random passerby. I think your best bet would be to email Rovers like Jerry suggested and see what they say, because it is technically a weapon.
Quote from: Moonblossom on January 17, 2010, 06:59:47 AM
Andrew - The ForceFX saber is likely to shatter internally if you actually try to hurt anyone with it, and it's quite obviously not a real, threatening weapon, so I think it should be okay.
Do you already own one or are you considering buying it before the con? I sell them at the store I manage, and they really are ridiculously fragile. Gorgeous and super accurate, but fragile. If only for that reason, I'd suggest you find an alternative. They're a big investment to have bonk against a dealer table while you're browsing and break in half...
I actually own one myself and the short answer is - AGAIN SO LONG AS YOUR COSPLAY CALLS FOR IT - so your dressing up like a Jedi or a Sith and we peace bond it you'll be ok.
NO Execessive swinging or horseplay of the item.
Ironically ive swung and whacked around my FX Light sabers are pretty damn sturdy. and will do damage to yourself and others if not properly handled.
Please just dont be stupid. Otherwise, The Rovers or worse the SJPD will get you.
I'm not kidding. >:(
You've been lucky! We've had the internal tubes shatter simply while moving them around in the warehouse, and several people have tried to return them after dropping them a few feet and having them break.
I wonder if they're making them more durable now than they used to.
</stops derailing the thread>
It seems to me that the basic rule is: "If it looks awesome, it's not allowed. You have to make it look crappier."
Quote from: OGIGA on January 19, 2010, 09:22:56 PM
It seems to me that the basic rule is: "If it looks awesome, it's not allowed. You have to make it look crappier."
if you mean replica guns and sword like weapons then yes. - if it doesnt look like a real weapon, you've made and awesome prop.
But seriously - take pictures of your items - post them here or e-mail Rovers.
Quote from: Jerry on January 20, 2010, 09:30:39 AM
Quote from: OGIGA on January 19, 2010, 09:22:56 PM
It seems to me that the basic rule is: "If it looks awesome, it's not allowed. You have to make it look crappier."
if you mean replica guns and sword like weapons then yes. - if it doesnt look like a real weapon, you've made and awesome prop.
But seriously - take pictures of your items - post them here or e-mail Rovers.
Since we are a few months out from Fanime 2010 I am going to sticky this topic because I know there will be many more questions.
@ Jerry &/or Heads of Rovers &/or Chairs: If you would be kind enough to keep an eye on this thread and direct the questions as needed I would appreciate it very much. I hope that the sticky for this topic will help you to do this.
@ Posters: If you submit a photo here as per Jerry's request I would like to suggest that the stay a reasonable size and no more than two photo's per post. It would be
greatly preferred to use a link to the photo (s) instead.
ie* put the photos up in your Cosplay. com/other photo account and post the URL to them here.
I also want to note that even if you post photos and rovers say that it looks ok, they may (and have the right to) change their mind at Fanime and not peace bond it. Though this rarely happens it could and I wouldn't want you to think anyone would be mean to you intentionally it is just that sometimes when you have something in front of you it appears more dangerous than it does in a photo so I'm just throwing that out there.
A reminder: I am not part of Rovers so I can't say if something is or is not ok for Fanime. Please feel free to post here
or direct your questions to:[email protected] [email protected]or
[email protected]
Quote from: Jerry on December 30, 2009, 09:17:00 AM
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Lol, that's awesome, I drop in to look at this thread and see someone when and linked to one of my photos from way back when.
Okay, this is a BIT off topic, but you know what they say: "It's better to post in an old thread than make a new one."
What are the rules about shovels? They obviously aren't MADE to be used as weapons, but I'm worried that they might fall under the Live Steel clause.
Quote from: Infernal Shotgun on January 24, 2010, 06:52:32 PM
Okay, this is a BIT off topic, but you know what they say: "It's better to post in an old thread than make a new one."
What are the rules about shovels? They obviously aren't MADE to be used as weapons, but I'm worried that they might fall under the Live Steel clause.
Thank your for posting your question. Someone from Rovers will answer this in the near future.
btw... your post made me laugh :P I thought of all the murder mystery movies I have watched where the shovel was used to bop someone to either get away or stop them in their tracks... kind of like the "a frying pan is for cooking, but it got used to knock someone out." Anything can be used as a weapon with the right technique. Have you ever seen a piece of straw in the middle of a pane of glass and the glass is unbroken? Some things are just amazing to me *LOL ^^)
BSaphire
Quote from: Infernal Shotgun on January 24, 2010, 06:52:32 PM
Okay, this is a BIT off topic, but you know what they say: "It's better to post in an old thread than make a new one."
What are the rules about shovels? They obviously aren't MADE to be used as weapons, but I'm worried that they might fall under the Live Steel clause.
you may want to describe the cosplay that your doing and give us an idea how large the shovel is. that and/or really ask yourself is the shovel REALLY needed to get the idea of the character accross?
the unfortunate side effect is that by definition- it is considered "live steel" because most shovels have pointed ends used for digging. it definitely has very negative potential for doing some damage-> Liability storm....
even if we allowed the shovel--- how you hold the shovel will also be an issue. for safety reasons it should never be raised above torso level [AKA high sticking like in hockey], and Definiately NOT above shoulder levels even in for posted pictures. That and shovels get pretty heavy if your trying to carry it all over the con with you.
My guess [until further ruled by other Rover heads] would be likely be " NO " - so an alternative would be getting a large Toy shovel? You get the idea accross and maybe bonus humor points for carrying a toy shovel instead of a real shovel.
again we're not trying to turn down everything props/weapons wise--- theres a fine line between authenticity and making " the average pedestrian " feel comfortable around you. i mean would you feel comfortable with a random costumed person running around with an industrial shovel on his back? :P
Quote from: Jerry on January 25, 2010, 09:07:31 AM
i mean would you feel comfortable with a random costumed person running around with an industrial shovel on his back? :P
*LOL :P ... Thanks Jerry :) More visual images of coplayers with shovels go rushing through my head... *sees Jesus with a shovel in one hand and a "Turn to Jesus or Burn in HELL!" sign in the other*....
~ After thought ~ *LOL That would be an interesting marketing tool (No pun intended :P ) for Jesus! He would show you the way... one way or the other *LOLTMSH*
Very simple to make a cardboard shovel blade that looks like the real thing. If you have to you could paint the cardboard shovel blade CalTrans orange.....wait.. they'd mistake you for stealing it from a work project....
Sorry wrong thread!
Quote from: Jerry on January 25, 2010, 09:07:31 AM
My guess [until further ruled by other Rover heads] would be likely be " NO " - so an alternative would be getting a large Toy shovel? You get the idea accross and maybe bonus humor points for carrying a toy shovel instead of a real shovel.
Quote from: Rodney_Pheonix on January 25, 2010, 09:36:51 AM
Very simple to make a cardboard shovel blade that looks like the real thing. If you have to you could paint the cardboard shovel blade CalTrans orange.....wait.. they'd mistake you for stealing it from a work project....
Hmmm. These ideas seem promising. Thanks for the help, guys! My current plan is to go as a gravedigger, so the shovel is almost a requirement.
If I have a prop gun that more closely resembles a hairdryer than a real gun (very cartoony in shape!) and is painted bright blue, do I still need an orange tip?
Reference pic, since I don't have the prop made yet (http://i48.tinypic.com/2ahgnn.jpg)
I doubt anyone is going to confuse that thing for a real gun, but I'd rather be safe and do an orange tip if I had to.
Thanks!
I forgot about the rules about gun types props... :P
Hopefully Steve [or others] could clarify, but because of its cartoony style it doesnt look like a replica gun.
i think we've been okay with Nerf type weapons because their usually large- and specifically designed not to look like real gun. [however the nerf type should NOT be loaded for obvious safety reason]--- now come to think of it we may have banned weapons that have the capability to projectile anything [including water guns] so I may have just contradicted myself >_<
The issue now is because of its smaller size and slightly has the 'gun' shape. but if you keep the obvious cone shape from its design i would like think it would be allowable.
again i could be completely wrong. I need another opinion is in order.
Quote from: Infernal Shotgun on January 24, 2010, 06:52:32 PM
Okay, this is a BIT off topic, but you know what they say: "It's better to post in an old thread than make a new one."
What are the rules about shovels? They obviously aren't MADE to be used as weapons, but I'm worried that they might fall under the Live Steel clause.
Um, don't bring real tools like a shovel to the con. Objects made of metal are a danger regardless their purpose.
Quote from: Rodney_Pheonix on January 25, 2010, 09:36:51 AM
Very simple to make a cardboard shovel blade that looks like the real thing. If you have to you could paint the cardboard shovel blade CalTrans orange.....wait.. they'd mistake you for stealing it from a work project....
It's going to get banned for looking real. :P
Quote from: Infernal Shotgun on January 24, 2010, 06:52:32 PM
Shovels.
I actually just asked this but emailed the staff directly. I was told that plastic is okay but metal is absolutely not. I doubt I'll be able to find a plastic military entrenching tool (in the style that looks like Soldier's from TF2) but if you happen to find a good plastic one, send the link my way!
Quote from: HelloDolly on January 28, 2010, 03:00:34 AM
Quote from: Infernal Shotgun on January 24, 2010, 06:52:32 PM
Shovels.
I actually just asked this but emailed the staff directly. I was told that plastic is okay but metal is absolutely not. I doubt I'll be able to find a plastic military entrenching tool (in the style that looks like Soldier's from TF2) but if you happen to find a good plastic one, send the link my way!
Ooh, that'd actually be rather easy to make with PVC and Cardboard, and make it look like you pulled it from the game world.
I have a slight question to be answered if possible. Last year I went as Ichigo, and yes he has a sword but he does not use a sheath of any kind. Now, last year, when I checked it in they made me bond it to my sash, which was very uncomfortable. Keep in mind, my word has no metal what so ever, and the one I did have was rather weak so if I had hit someone, it would of broke in two. lol Now, 10 minutes after I had done this, I ran into 4 other Ichigo's who had already been to the same place for their bonding. All they were asked of was a tie wrap around the hilt of their sword, not to their costume. I took their advice and removed it from my sash, left the piece bonding on it. That day, and the next day rover staff stopped me, checked it, said it was fine, no problems since the 3 tie wraps were visible, no problems at the gathering either.
My point is, why did one person have it done, but half a dozen others didn't? The bonding to said costume that is. Their swords weren't at all that different than mine honestly so I didn't see a reason for me being treated differently than others. Sorry for the long winded post, want to clarify this.
Could very well have been a different person that did the peacebonding.
Quote from: Rodney_Pheonix on January 30, 2010, 03:30:38 PM
Could very well have been a different person that did the peacebonding.
that might have been the case in point---
we do our best to train/ practice with our staff [Rovers peace bonding and weapons check staff] to make sure they stay consistent with the rules and guidelines that follow both SJPD codes as well as the safety conducts of the SJCC ---
unfortunately we do admit that sometimes some cosplayers / weapons may go un checked or get peace bonded when they may or may NOT be "allowable" weapons / prop per conditions.
WE apologize for any confusion and/or misgiving you may have.
as a REMINDER - you have to right to make sure the person peace bonding you or weapon/prop checking you IS AN ACTUAL ROVER with PROPER FANIME 2010 PEACE BOND TIES [yes they ACTUALLY SAY Fanime 2010 on them]
we had some issue with people posing as ROVERs staff and/or using their own colored peace bonds to claim as their weapon/prop as "checked" when it officially was not.
again its the honor and safety for yourself and those around you. so we try our best to keep the rules enforced evenly though its tough to get to thousands of cosplayers all around SJCC as well as around the entire downtown area. :P
if you have any major concerns or issues, dont hesitate to contact via our staff email.
Thanks!
Last year was my first year to Fanime, but from what I've seen so far Rovers should be better trained in what the weapon check rules are and/or how to use common sense. 4 of my friends and I cosplayed as Prince of Tennis characters and were walking around carrying tennis rackets a lot of the time but got stopped by a Rover near the Video rooms who said we would either have to put them back in our bags or get them peace bonded. This makes no sense to me as a tennis racket is obviously not a weapon, whether it has a yellow zip tie around it or not. I'm all for having anything that could remotely be considered a weapon checked, but this was kind of ridiculous.
Quote from: Relsek on February 01, 2010, 01:58:20 AM
Last year was my first year to Fanime, but from what I've seen so far Rovers should be better trained in what the weapon check rules are and/or how to use common sense. 4 of my friends and I cosplayed as Prince of Tennis characters and were walking around carrying tennis rackets a lot of the time but got stopped by a Rover near the Video rooms who said we would either have to put them back in our bags or get them peace bonded. This makes no sense to me as a tennis racket is obviously not a weapon, whether it has a yellow zip tie around it or not. I'm all for having anything that could remotely be considered a weapon checked, but this was kind of ridiculous.
ridiculous or not - its our policy that all items or props are checked out.
yes we know that tennis rackets are not weapons, but in the hands of the irresponsible it can and will do damage.
The reason why we tag any weapon/prop is a pseudo agreement that you are responsible for your item even if someone else takes it and becomes and idiot with it.
You might have common sense, but not everyone else does around you. Even if it was your "first" time at con doesnt mean your exempt from the rules. The rules are there for your safety, and not because we want to give you a hard time.
it literally takes 5 minutes to get a peace bonded tag for your weapon/item/prop.
- if someone gets hurt and because someone thought it would be funny to swing a tennis racket at an unsuspecting crowd.
That's what were trying to prevent.
Anything that can be used to whack someone over the head has just gotta be peacebonded. Not because the staff is trying to be annoying, but because at some point some idiot is gonna whack someone over the head with their prop. Tennis rackets aren't weapons, but they are meant to be swung around. It's gonna hurt when you get hit with one.
It's sort of silly, but unfortunately it's just something to deal with 'cause people can't be trusted to behave. At least it wasn't a skateboard. I had to get that peacebonded at a con and it's not a weapon either, though I bet it would hurt more. ^^
Question, because I remember hearing discussion going multiple ways: will wooden swords with scabbards be required to be peace-tied into the scabbard? It makes it rather more difficult to pose for photos appropriately in a lot of cases when the weapon is tied in that way, and I remember some inconsistency of response in previous years to the question.
Also, a request that I suspect a lot of cosplayers would appreciate: is it possible for peace-bonding staff to NOT put the zip ties on terribly tightly? Not loose enough that they can be slipped off -- I completely understand that -- but loosely enough that they don't damage the paint job just by being on. I've had to redo paint because of peace ties, and had them ding up a prop weapon fairly badly in the course of removing it post-con because there was no room to slip even a scalpel blade under to cut the tie free.
(And on the subject of "silly things to peace-bond": yes, I got my giant manta ray peace bonded last year. No, Rovers didn't make me. Just for the record. :D )
And while I got puzzled looks from con ops taking in a fake cherry blossom branch in for peace bonding--it was because I technically could be stupid and whack someone over the head with it?
So I wanted it clear I was in compliance....out of amusement, I still have last year's Fanime peace tie on it.
I'd like to support what Charis said about not damaging our props putting them on.
And yes, please leave us enough slack space to cut the ties off after con.
Quote from: kimu on February 01, 2010, 11:26:57 PM
And while I got puzzled looks from con ops taking in a fake cherry blossom branch in for peace bonding--it was because I technically could be stupid and whack someone over the head with it?
So I wanted it clear I was in compliance....out of amusement, I still have last year's Fanime peace tie on it.
Just remember there is a difference between Con Ops and Rovers.
Yes, you should still bring in your all your props/ items / wepaons [ when properly paired off ] while your wearing cosplay to be peace bonded.
I'll note the issue of how tight zip ties should be maintained and I'll bring it up at the next Rover meeting/training.
We'll get back to you as soon as possible. :)
Quote from: Jerry on January 26, 2010, 03:49:41 PM
I forgot about the rules about gun types props... :P
Hopefully Steve [or others] could clarify, but because of its cartoony style it doesnt look like a replica gun.
i think we've been okay with Nerf type weapons because their usually large- and specifically designed not to look like real gun. [however the nerf type should NOT be loaded for obvious safety reason]--- now come to think of it we may have banned weapons that have the capability to projectile anything [including water guns] so I may have just contradicted myself >_<
The issue now is because of its smaller size and slightly has the 'gun' shape. but if you keep the obvious cone shape from its design i would like think it would be allowable.
again i could be completely wrong. I need another opinion is in order.
I am planning on keeping the original shape as much as possible.
Thank you for the reply. I'll wait for a second opinion. :D
(Last year, I took a fake spray can in to be peace bonded... the lady working there thought I was crazy, but she managed to get it peace bonded for me anyway, using two zip ties since it was too large for one. XD;; I didn't want anyone to think it could have been a real can, not that it looked real anyway...)
Quote from: Jerry on January 31, 2010, 10:42:03 PM
Quote from: Rodney_Pheonix on January 30, 2010, 03:30:38 PM
Could very well have been a different person that did the peacebonding.
that might have been the case in point---
we do our best to train/ practice with our staff [Rovers peace bonding and weapons check staff] to make sure they stay consistent with the rules and guidelines that follow both SJPD codes as well as the safety conducts of the SJCC ---
unfortunately we do admit that sometimes some cosplayers / weapons may go un checked or get peace bonded when they may or may NOT be "allowable" weapons / prop per conditions.
WE apologize for any confusion and/or misgiving you may have.
as a REMINDER - you have to right to make sure the person peace bonding you or weapon/prop checking you IS AN ACTUAL ROVER with PROPER FANIME 2010 PEACE BOND TIES [yes they ACTUALLY SAY Fanime 2010 on them]
we had some issue with people posing as ROVERs staff and/or using their own colored peace bonds to claim as their weapon/prop as "checked" when it officially was not.
again its the honor and safety for yourself and those around you. so we try our best to keep the rules enforced evenly though its tough to get to thousands of cosplayers all around SJCC as well as around the entire downtown area. :P
if you have any major concerns or issues, dont hesitate to contact via our staff email.
Thanks!
No, I asked each and everyone of the individual cosplayers who checked out their swords, they all described the same guy, and this is the same person who I've had issues with in past years, as well as others I've came across, mentioning how rude person in question was. Not sure if he remembered me and was just doing it out of spit..but who knows there. I believe I even spoke to you Jerry about this same guy 2 years ago when he seemingly without caring damaged a very expensive prop I had wrapping the ties around extremely tight and frankly just gave me a sour attitude the whole time. Last year he was a bit more mellow but I could tell he still had that very same chip on his shoulder. My other issue was them making me bond a sword thats half my height to my waist, that was very hard to walk with. They weren't using their better judgement in my opinion.
for fanime this year my bf wants to do vincent from ffvii for fanime. I suggested that he make his foot armor out of copper but he says that its against fanime policy. I know that they don't welcome live metal but do you really think that they would disallow something like metal shoes? (copper being one of the softest metals too)
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Nvm, question got answered~
Could anyone tell me the policy on swords and blade replicas and all that stuff, i can't seem to find anything on it.
read this thread, the policy is explained five or six times. also you can email the rovers~~
Technically if someone is cosplaying Edward Elric, or a character that fights hand to hand shouldn't they get their hands peacebound?
What is the con policy with regards to body armor made of steel? this would be leg armor, shoe armor, arm armor, and chest armor.
Quote from: Rodney_Pheonix on February 07, 2010, 12:12:25 PM
Technically if someone is cosplaying Edward Elric, or a character that fights hand to hand shouldn't they get their hands peacebound?
well, that would be LARPing, not just cosplaying. But interesting thought! Then again, you can't peacebond ninjas. Or Chuck Norris. Actually, Chuck Norris can peacebond you just by looking at you. And he'll do it so hard it'll leave an exit wound.
Not to be a spoil sport :-[
but please, back to the topic at hand only.
Quote from: alice_the_great on February 04, 2010, 09:40:56 PM
for fanime this year my bf wants to do vincent from ffvii for fanime. I suggested that he make his foot armor out of copper but he says that its against fanime policy. I know that they don't welcome live metal but do you really think that they would disallow something like metal shoes? (copper being one of the softest metals too)
in short- the rule originally was NO LIVE Steel.
this technically is more toward bladed weapons, such as knives, daggers, throwing stars, swords and covers ALOT of metal sharpened OR NOT.
metal is metal just like how a shovel is a NO GO.
as for your " FEET ARMOUR " technically speaking so long as you dont intend to kick someone or that the metal shoes you speak of do not have sharp edgings like say ice skates... I think its one of the "grey" area that need to be approved by upper Rovers staff.
again we are working on updating our weapons policy for 2010 and will try to post them ASAP. For not because if your planning to use "real metal" i would advise against it...
again real hardcore cosplayers can make props/weapons/accessories without having to use metal. You may want to ask the question in the Cosplayers help threads and they may have suggests for you that will work out better.
If I wanted to bring a wooden walking cane (about waist high, no metal tip/live steel) as a prop, would I have to have it peace bonded to my hip / costume? Having a cane tied to my side would be awkward (and render the reason of having a cane pointless) but I can see the resemblance it has to a wooden kendo sword. Thanks in advance to any responses =).
Quote from: rara87jon on February 08, 2010, 01:21:28 AM
If I wanted to bring a wooden walking cane (about waist high, no metal tip/live steel) as a prop, would I have to have it peace bonded to my hip / costume? Having a cane tied to my side would be awkward (and render the reason of having a cane pointless) but I can see the resemblance it has to a wooden kendo sword. Thanks in advance to any responses =).
Walking Canes by definition are allowed by Public as a general "walking assistance Item" - now assuming you have no pre-existing medical conditions... I would like to think you should be able to walk fine on your own.
Again the issue here is "safety" for you and others around you and because it IS a convention--- the short answer would be "sure bring it in" we try our best to discreetly peace bond / zip tie as a checked item only--- it and off you go.
It would
NOT be "tied to you" as common sense would make that awkward and thus be a pointless prop item.
What we'd really be concerned with is that you take that walking Cane and starting swinging it above your head.... THAT would be an issue.
Thanks for the response Jerry, and rest assured I will not be swinging it around. :)
---If i have a rather large cardboard and pvc scythe for my grim reaper cosplay
will i have any issues when peace bonding it?
---Also i have rather large (moveable) wings,
will there be issues with that during the con if i have necessary room when posing?
Quote from: Jerry on February 07, 2010, 09:52:05 PM
...real hardcore cosplayers can make props/weapons/accessories without having to use metal...
While this is certainly true, there are some clear benefits to using metal for articulated joints, like shoes. I am working on armored shoes similar to Vincent's and I have reviewed several possible materials to use and non-metal materials all have some significant drawbacks.
* Vacuum formed plastics are expensive and too brittle at the joints.
* Paper mache can be reinforced at the joints, but cannot take complex curves without adding too much bulk for shoes.
* Craft foam lacks the rigidity to form the structural pieces I need.
* 20 gauge steel, however, is cheap, lightweight, able to take complex curves and malleable enough to not snap under stress yet rigid enough to hold the structure I need. In addition, the material is hand bendable and if I
did kick someone or something, the steel would deform more than the other materials I have investigated with the exception of craft foam and the edges are easily rolled to prevent cutting danger.
It is possible to make the shoes without metal and if the official policy is "no metal" then I guess I have no choice, however in this case I believe that metal is clearly the superior material and that there is no additional danger to other attendees by using it.
Finally, the con is rapidly approaching and I need to get started on the shoes, but without clear direction on the official policy I hesitate to commit to a material yet. Please address this issue in the official policy as leaving it a grey area opens us attendees to the risk of putting in hours of effort into our costumes in good faith only to be denied wearing it at the con.
edit: Yes, I have emailed
[email protected] and am awaiting their reply.
just from my point of view... i don't see how having metal on your shoes would be against the policy. I mean, i know they're pointed and stuff, but you're not going to risk ruining your costume just so you can kick someone anyways, so what's the worry? why would you kick someone while wearing awesome shoes?? soooo many cosplays are going to require delicate or potentially dangerous things. The people who create the animes and mangas don't care about fanime's weapons policy, and cosplayers should be able to cosplay.
i understand having no swords and other weapons, but pointed shoes (that the cosplayer would NOT ruin on purpose, let alone hurt people on purpose) should be okay. people cosplay vincent all the time.
belt buckles, shoe laces, hair pins, spikey goth collars, even con badges and cell phones... they are all dangerous if used dangerously.
they are also completely harmless if used harmlessly. same goes for cosplay accessories, in my opinion.
remember theres a difference between "Live Steel" and "metal containing objects"
as michi has pointed out metal can be found in every day objects like normal belts and stuff, but of course in the wrong hangs it can do some serious damage.
again going of the jumping point that you will not use this shoe guards as a weapon- I would like to think your shoe accessories will not be an issue. I'll bug my higher ups to look for your feet armor e-mail and have them respond to you ASAP.
Good luck with your cosplaying creation and keep those questions coming as I'll do my best o answer them with the support of my upper Exec staff. :)
Quickie question.
A video game character I'm working on uses a pair of pistols for weapons. The ones I was planning on making look like this:
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I've been planning them out, assuming that the fact that they're amazingly ridiculous butterfly guns puts them quite safely in the realm of cartoony, unrealistic weapons, but I've come to the conclusion that in general, it's safer to not assume anything.
Can I make these props as shown without having an issue from the rovers? And if there would be a problem, what can I do to avoid it?
Thank you!
this is an email i sent to the rovers about a month ago. ive yet to get any reply so i decided i would copy the email and post it here and maybe someone could help me :x
1. what are the general rules regarding cosplay weapons? must they be bonded at all times? can we choose where and how we want them bonded?
2. Me and my friends are in a group of 8 friends are going to cosplay as...how do you say it...our own cosplay? my friend who is a terrific anime artist (and will hopefully selling art) made some sketches for designs for our cosplay. our group is going to be wearing black colors with accents of red(possibly facepaint). i guess what im trying to ask is: Even tho we are not cosplaying as any known anime character, will this effect our selection of cosplay weapons we can use?
3. Along with general rules regarding weapons, What is the policy on usage of wooden cosplay items?
4. My friends an i planned on taking some time out of each day for posing. this would be a time where we would stay in one area of the con and well...stand there posing for 20-30min. my question is: During times such as this, would it be possibly to un-bond our weapons and hold them so our group may pose for others? what are the exact rules reguarding the "un-bonding" of items during the con
ok next im going to throw a few ideas for weapons me and my friend were thinking about but we need an OK before we go ahead and buy the stuff. this also pertains to the questions above.
1. Kusarigama: http://s.ecrater.com/stores/101167/49a575b9924d8_101167n.jpg
What i was planning was to purchase 2 Kusarigamas, and attack them both with a long, THIN, Chain. this chain would be wrapped around my body and i would hold the Kusarigamas in my hands. I want to make note that this item would in no way be able to be flung or swung around due to the chains. these chains will be secure and tight around my body and serve for look. also note that THERE WILL BE NO WEIGHT!!!! i have to make this clear because even tho i say this, people on the forum seem to ignore that part of my comment.
2. Tonfas: http://www.trueswords.com/images/prod/billy_club3.jpg?osCsid=8d732ca7c494b717beeed927b6a4d474
This was my idea of the type of tonfa i wanted to carry around.i know that metal tips are a big NONO. but whats the rules regarding carrying one of these around? im sure it would be no problem straping it to my body but would these be allowed to carry at all? im hoping not >.<
3.Spears, Lances, Halberds, etc.:
This section im wondering about items pertaining to the shape of a lance/spear or maybe even a halberd. this recently popped up in a discussion between my group and we needed more info. i would once again assume these would be wooden and non-sharp, painted black. i would assume these aren't illegal or against the rules to carry but more info regarding the rules about these would be greatly appreciated.
thats all i have for now. Thank you for your time and i look forward to hearing back.
I'm going to alter a nerf gun for a Steampunk-style outfit. As it's mostly just going to be painted copper with silver accents, it will still be obvious as a nerf gun and a comically oversized six-shooter. Would this be okay? Should I leave the orange tip unpainted?
I wandered through the thread to see if my question got answered, but nope, doesn't seem to be..
What is the feeling on incorporating peacebonding into a holster? We've not built that part of the props yet, but it would take very little effort to add buckles, etc that would make them difficult to wrench loose, and keep them in place accordingly, perhaps even making it so that a zip tie could feed through a set of D-rings. I'd have no problem with it being checked for all the appropriate safety measures. ;)
Quote from: Gwydion on February 20, 2010, 10:44:21 PM
I'm going to alter a nerf gun for a Steampunk-style outfit. As it's mostly just going to be painted copper with silver accents, it will still be obvious as a nerf gun and a comically oversized six-shooter. Would this be okay? Should I leave the orange tip unpainted?
my friend did EXACTLY that last year... actually i had to check to make sure you weren't her... I don't have a picture, but she painted my eight-shooter with copper and silver for a mad scientist/steampunk thing and ran around with it at con, and didn't get in trouble for it. Nerf guns look like toys, and toy-like guns aren't considered dangerous. kinda depends what it looks like... sent the rovers a pic maybe?
I got the idea from a picture I found online, so maybe that was hers. ^^
We apologize for the lack of any new information regarding some of the recent questions / pictures of the gun type weapons & props.
please note :
Saturday, February 27th we will be having our Feb Rovers meeting at Jerry's house starting @ 2:30 p.m.
This meeting will be held at Jerry's place in East Side San Jose. Please PM Jerry for the Address---
this is ONLY for those who are serious about join Rover's Staff.
We will be going over code of conduct, who we are (Since this seems to be VERY CONFUSING for some people), and what we do. We'll give quick overviews of duties, quick updates on the happenings, and conclude with a Q&A. For those of you who have worked [on Rover's staff] for 2 years+, this meeting is optional. A sign in sheet will be required for all the new people. The way the system works is that I require 2 training meetings for all new people, 1 training meeting for people who worked last year, and anyone who has worked 2+ years should come to meetings but is optional.
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Please note at this time our Weapons / Props and Cosplayers items Policy is STILL UNDER REVIEW by our Fanime Legal Department [ yes! we actually have a legal department *** and further details in this regard will be releases AS SOON AS POSSIBLE--- if you still have questions please send your e-mails and pictures to the links below: If you have any questions, send them to
[email protected] /
[email protected] /
[email protected] Thanks! for being so patient.
Quote from: crystalsoul on February 19, 2010, 12:06:56 PM
1. Kusarigama: http://s.ecrater.com/stores/101167/49a575b9924d8_101167n.jpg
What i was planning was to purchase 2 Kusarigamas, and attack them both with a long, THIN, Chain. this chain would be wrapped around my body and i would hold the Kusarigamas in my hands. I want to make note that this item would in no way be able to be flung or swung around due to the chains. these chains will be secure and tight around my body and serve for look. also note that THERE WILL BE NO WEIGHT!!!! i have to make this clear because even tho i say this, people on the forum seem to ignore that part of my comment.
2. Tonfas: http://www.trueswords.com/images/prod/billy_club3.jpg?osCsid=8d732ca7c494b717beeed927b6a4d474
This was my idea of the type of tonfa i wanted to carry around.i know that metal tips are a big NONO. but whats the rules regarding carrying one of these around? im sure it would be no problem straping it to my body but would these be allowed to carry at all? im hoping not >.<
3.Spears, Lances, Halberds, etc.:
This section im wondering about items pertaining to the shape of a lance/spear or maybe even a halberd. this recently popped up in a discussion between my group and we needed more info. i would once again assume these would be wooden and non-sharp, painted black. i would assume these aren't illegal or against the rules to carry but more info regarding the rules about these would be greatly appreciated.
unfortunately [real] Chained weapons [of any nature] is technically illegal in California. so the short answer would be NO - technically the chain themselves also fall under the LIVE Steel policy - which is also a pretty hard NO. Sorry I'll double check after this weekends meeting and get back t you.
Tonfas / clubbed weapons are very very GRAY and practically borderline " NO " as well, but again this is something I need to goto my superiors and get back to you ASAP.
again real [metal versions of] Spears, Lances, Halberds, etc would be a definite " NO " as well but if you have wood painted metallic like then that may be more acceptable. keep in mind that these are all very good questions and we appreciate the notion of all the cosplayers trying to stay within the limits of the rules given.
we're still trying to have the rules finalized so we can share them with you .
Please be patient as I will try to keep everyone in the loop. :)
I'm working on a Batman: Arkham Asylum Scarecrow cosplay that I plan on debuting at Fanime 2010.
I will be using soldering wire for the "needles" at the finger tips of the right hand. It is very pliable and bends when barely any pressure is put on it. I just wanted to make sure that this would be alright. ((It's a safety precaution for me also, so I'm trying to make this outfit as hazard-less as possible.))
Also, the character uses a scythe as a weapon. I was considering making a [paper mache] dull "blade" and using piping for the handle. (The actual scythe is made of paper and pipes.) I doubt that I will use metal pipes, (would that be considered live steel?) and will probably use plastic. That is acceptable, right? I will be painting said plastic to look like rusted pipes, but it will be fairly light in wieght, because I don't want my arms to be tired.
Thank you kindly!
so long as the wire is not sharpened in any way, and is always safe for you to wear i would think that would be acceptable.
of course any photos or links to your progress [again for only a preliminary view ~ not a final answer ] would be given as you continue making your props.
when i thought of "safe " needle like finger tips, i could help but think of putting " bugle " snack chips on your finger tips. :P
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as for the Scythe, using as minimal metal would be to your best interest since it would be lighter and poses less issues come con time. i think technically metal pipes would be considered live steel and would be dangerous in the wrong hands.
Good luck with your prop making and again thank you for bearing with my "half" answers til I get more info from my higher ups. :)
Can somebody please define "LIVE" steel for me? What makes steel "LIVE" and how do you "kill" it?
the short answer is anything containing or made out of standard " Hard Metals "
usually things like " knives, Swords, metal clubs, utility tools, rakes, guns, screw drivers and etc "
basically anything made of metal that could do significant damage if swung around, or in gun related items, shooting projectiles.
the only kind of "dead" metal i could think of is any kinda of metallic items that almost have NO potential of harming someone.
but that in itself is hard to show/prove.
Things like Steel toe boots or even an Aluminum can can still do lots of damage for the small amount if metal they both have.
So again, keep it simple- keep it sane- keep it safe.
K thanks. :)
I have a handgun toy that was used for laser shooting in like an arcade Tv hooked up video game. I detached i from the game and use it for a gun for America from hetalia. Though it never had a orange cap, but I have placed some neon orange tape where the cap would be. My question is, can I birng this gun to fanime, it is clearly fake and looks just about as real as toy guns. So should I get it peace bonded, or am I good with the orange tape?
Orange tape on a modified toy gun may not necessarily allowed.... though we'd have to take a look at it for a better idea.
Keep in mind ALL Props / hand held items, Fake weapons or hand held accessories should be checked out by Fanime Rovers staff and may require peace bonding.
If you have any links or pictures of the toy gun [with tape] I could probably give you a better answer--- thanks!
Quote from: Jerry on March 02, 2010, 02:44:52 PM
Things like Steel toe boots or even an Aluminum can can still do lots of damage for the small amount if metal they both have.
So again, keep it simple- keep it sane- keep it safe.
K thanks. :)
Which leads me to wonder..how would one peacebond a steel-toe boot? XD
Interestingly enough, I can figure out how to peacebond the can...well, kinda. ;)
once again, things like steel toe boots, belt buckles, bobby pins, even the fanime badges... they could easily cause damage. but they don't get peace bonded. i'm sure the penalty is the same if you use them violently as if you use weapons violently.
Quote from: Jerry on February 01, 2010, 09:14:32 AM
Quote from: Relsek on February 01, 2010, 01:58:20 AM
Last year was my first year to Fanime, but from what I've seen so far Rovers should be better trained in what the weapon check rules are and/or how to use common sense. 4 of my friends and I cosplayed as Prince of Tennis characters and were walking around carrying tennis rackets a lot of the time but got stopped by a Rover near the Video rooms who said we would either have to put them back in our bags or get them peace bonded. This makes no sense to me as a tennis racket is obviously not a weapon, whether it has a yellow zip tie around it or not. I'm all for having anything that could remotely be considered a weapon checked, but this was kind of ridiculous.
ridiculous or not - its our policy that all items or props are checked out.
yes we know that tennis rackets are not weapons, but in the hands of the irresponsible it can and will do damage.
The reason why we tag any weapon/prop is a pseudo agreement that you are responsible for your item even if someone else takes it and becomes and idiot with it.
You might have common sense, but not everyone else does around you. Even if it was your "first" time at con doesnt mean your exempt from the rules. The rules are there for your safety, and not because we want to give you a hard time.
it literally takes 5 minutes to get a peace bonded tag for your weapon/item/prop.
- if someone gets hurt and because someone thought it would be funny to swing a tennis racket at an unsuspecting crowd.
That's what were trying to prevent.
And I'm saying that it's still pointless for such obvious things. The only people that would tell an attendee to go get a prop peace bonded is a Rover, so if the prop is so obviously not a weapon that the Rovers can tell it isn't just as easily as they could see a little colored zip-tie then the whole process seems redundant for those cases. Peace bonding only really does any good if it's to assure the public that something resembling a weapon isn't really one. Regardless of whether it's peace-bonded or not, almost anything could potentially be used to hurt someone. If a prop obviously isn't a weapon, but doesn't break any of the con rules (aside from the peace bonding rule) it shouldn't needed to be peace-bonded. As to the peace-bonding being an agreement, I don't see how it is one anymore than buying a pass and/or bringing the prop with you to the con in the first place.
For additional reference - your debate was discussed here : http://forums.fanime.com/index.php/topic,13510.0.html
I'd like to not want to go back and forth over the topic of peace-bonding - there have been other debate threads and I'm not here to debate the issue because its a standard rule of the convention that all items held by Cosplayers should be checked out. At the same time the attendee is reminded of the "Code of Conduct" at Fanime Con- and thus agree-ing to an additional set of rules for ALL Cosplayers when it comes to holding items, props, weapons or accessories.
The numbers done lie - with Fanime Con easily going over 14,000+ attendees -> and a VERY high number being Cosplayers with very strong supporters being the Photographers, Cosplayers of all levels and prop making abilities. they have respected the rules Since Fanime and other cons like it have been around.
Fanime Con turns "sweet 16" this year, so if the "peace bond" rule isnt broken, why still complain about its "pointless" when there's an entire thread of cosplayers willing the follow the rules and your simply complaining about it because this will only be your 2nd year going to this convention?
Something to think about. -> Just buying a badge doesnt mean your going to cosplay- Cosplayers have additional rules/situations that rules for a plain clothes person wouldnt apply to.
If you really have an issue the rules- your gonna have to have a better reason that just "its pointless." That really doesnt cut it with me, The Fanime Rovers Department, or the General Fanime staff.
Forgive me if this question has been asked before. If I plan to wear a costume like that of a Star Trek character (The Original Series, or Recent movie) would the Phaser have to be peace bonded to the belt, or would it be allowed to be held out for photo ops?
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still has to be checked out and probably peace bonded [hopefully not to you] ~ depends of the toy actually comes with a holster [which i sorta doubt]
usually when you hold/pose with said star trek phaser you could cover the peace bond tie.
Keep in mind ALOT of cosplayers prefer not to have peace bond when it comes to pose-ing or taking pictures [which is understandable]
since most pictures are taken outside usually in the fountain areas you can go without a peace bond, but once wandering around the convention center areas - The Rovers will double check all items.
So most cosplayers know the routine of taking as many pictures outside without said peace bonds and then getting them checked and peace bonded while indoors.
Some of our hardcore cosplayers have been collecting peace bond ties since they've started cosplaying.
again final weapons / cosplayer policies will be posted hopefully ASAP .
Thanks for your patience!
Quote from: Jerry on March 05, 2010, 10:02:46 AM
again final weapons / cosplayer policies will be posted hopefully ASAP .
Thanks for your patience!
Thank you for the help! It's been appreciated :D
My understanding then is that if we've sent an email about our props that a response should be expected after everything is finalized?
My email was sent last night, so I wasn't expecting immediate response XD
My Rover's heads have been busy planning out meetings and going over our recuitment-
but again we're semi tied up with our Legal department to make sure the wording on our code of conduct policy and prop/weapons/items / cosplayer policies are also Politically correct.
I'm hoping once the dust settles they will respond, or I'll do what I could here to keep you ladies and gents in the loop. :)
I'm planing to bring a bow and arrow set to go with my cosplay. Are there any restrictions?
Quote from: amaya_JDB on March 10, 2010, 12:29:03 AM
I'm planing to bring a bow and arrow set to go with my cosplay. Are there any restrictions?
Another good question --- i'm guessing if its a non-working Bow and Arrow --- meaning the bow does NOT actually pull back and the arrow is not to be used as a projectile in ANY shape or form
now posing with the arrow as of going to be shot of course is ok - but if the arrow is actually shoot-able... then we're gonna have some issues.
I'll ask at the meeting this Saturday. :)
Quote from: Jerry on March 10, 2010, 09:01:07 AM
Quote from: amaya_JDB on March 10, 2010, 12:29:03 AM
I'm planing to bring a bow and arrow set to go with my cosplay. Are there any restrictions?
Another good question --- i'm guessing if its a non-working Bow and Arrow --- meaning the bow does NOT actually pull back and the arrow is not to be used as a projectile in ANY shape or form
now posing with the arrow as of going to be shot of course is ok - but if the arrow is actually shoot-able... then we're gonna have some issues.
I'll ask at the meeting this Saturday. :)
thank you.
The bow will be full functional (trying to make it somewhat realistic as possible) but the arrows are just going to be sticks with feathers and maybe a foam or soft rubber head (don't know yet) that I'm making myself. Highly doubt it'll hurt someone.
Once you know something could you please tell me asap? I'm working on the arrows already.
I've got a "rifle" I've beeen constructing for my Fallout Wastelander costume, it's made entire out of PVC and some parts from an Airsoft shotgun (Namely the adjustable butt and the weaver rail for sight attachments) and an Airsoft "Silencer". It'ss mostly black and has a weathered look, I decided not to really polish it and made it look like it's held together with Baling wire and duct tape. (which it partly is so, with healthy amounts of gorrilla glue.)
With the silencer attachment it does have an orange tip, however I'm unsure on if it would be ok for the con.
[reserved area for a picture, once I find and charge my camera]
[Found the camera... weird, I thought I'd lost it in another part of the house...]
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With the stock adjusted to the full length and the "laser dot sight" from the aforementioned shotgun.
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Stock Adjusted down as short as it can be. Sans sight.
The only moving parts are the adjustable stock, and the breach. (originally the breach assembly was part of a marshmallow blow gun I'd made.)
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I'm planing to bring a bow and arrow set to go with my cosplay. Are there any restrictions?
Another good question --- i'm guessing if its a non-working Bow and Arrow --- meaning the bow does NOT actually pull back and the arrow is not to be used as a projectile in ANY shape or form
now posing with the arrow as of going to be shot of course is ok - but if the arrow is actually shoot-able... then we're gonna have some issues.
I'll ask at the meeting this Saturday. :)
thank you.
The bow will be full functional (trying to make it somewhat realistic as possible) but the arrows are just going to be sticks with feathers and maybe a foam or soft rubber head (don't know yet) that I'm making myself. Highly doubt it'll hurt someone.
Once you know something could you please tell me asap? I'm working on the arrows already.
yeah i'm gonna need at least one bow as well... and it's kindof impossible to make it not shootable unless you have a string that hangs with like two feet of slack. which is ridiculous. so perhaps there could be some more lenient rules than "not shootable" perhaps like saying that the string has to be made of elastic cord or something so that it can be realistic looking but not easily shot with.
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Quote from: amaya_JDB on March 10, 2010, 12:29:03 AM
I'm planing to bring a bow and arrow set to go with my cosplay. Are there any restrictions?
Another good question --- i'm guessing if its a non-working Bow and Arrow --- meaning the bow does NOT actually pull back and the arrow is not to be used as a projectile in ANY shape or form
now posing with the arrow as of going to be shot of course is ok - but if the arrow is actually shoot-able... then we're gonna have some issues.
I'll ask at the meeting this Saturday. :)
thank you.
The bow will be full functional (trying to make it somewhat realistic as possible) but the arrows are just going to be sticks with feathers and maybe a foam or soft rubber head (don't know yet) that I'm making myself. Highly doubt it'll hurt someone.
Once you know something could you please tell me asap? I'm working on the arrows already.
yeah i'm gonna need at least one bow as well... and it's kindof impossible to make it not shootable unless you have a string that hangs with like two feet of slack. which is ridiculous. so perhaps there could be some more lenient rules than "not shootable" perhaps like saying that the string has to be made of elastic cord or something so that it can be realistic looking but not easily shot with.
Last year I had a bow to go with my costume, and I carved it out of styrofoam (covered in papier mache, etc). I used a fairly slack elastic string, so the entire thing was absolutely nonfunctional. When I went to get it peacebonded, I was required to remove the string.
Not sure if that was actually part of the policy, or if it will be this year, just wanted to share what my experience was.
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Quote from: amaya_JDB on March 10, 2010, 12:29:03 AM
I'm planing to bring a bow and arrow set to go with my cosplay. Are there any restrictions?
Another good question --- i'm guessing if its a non-working Bow and Arrow --- meaning the bow does NOT actually pull back and the arrow is not to be used as a projectile in ANY shape or form
now posing with the arrow as of going to be shot of course is ok - but if the arrow is actually shoot-able... then we're gonna have some issues.
I'll ask at the meeting this Saturday. :)
thank you.
The bow will be full functional (trying to make it somewhat realistic as possible) but the arrows are just going to be sticks with feathers and maybe a foam or soft rubber head (don't know yet) that I'm making myself. Highly doubt it'll hurt someone.
Once you know something could you please tell me asap? I'm working on the arrows already.
yeah i'm gonna need at least one bow as well... and it's kindof impossible to make it not shootable unless you have a string that hangs with like two feet of slack. which is ridiculous. so perhaps there could be some more lenient rules than "not shootable" perhaps like saying that the string has to be made of elastic cord or something so that it can be realistic looking but not easily shot with.
Last year I had a bow to go with my costume, and I carved it out of styrofoam (covered in papier mache, etc). I used a fairly slack elastic string, so the entire thing was absolutely nonfunctional. When I went to get it peacebonded, I was required to remove the string.
Not sure if that was actually part of the policy, or if it will be this year, just wanted to share what my experience was.
you got the string removed? ._. ...*feels discouraged*
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you got the string removed? ._. ...*feels discouraged*
That sounds a bit weird, because from the way he described the construction of it, it seems it'd be really hard to even clothesline someone with it.
My two cents, play with them as you will. :)
Based on what the Rovers did with the bow, I would suggest two options for your bow string:
Option 1: Make the elastic or string removable. That way you can take it off when you're inside, therefore completely disabling the bow, and then put it on when you're outside again. (this is assuming that string/elastic of any form is still allowed outside the convention center).
Option 1: Instead of elastic, use a thin stick, something around the diameter of a toothpick (I'm thinking craft stores might have this, though length is uncertain). It could be painted to look not as sticklike and more like a string or wire. The only difference would be that you would not be able to do any shots with a fully drawn bow, just stuck in "prepared" mode, which is usually with the arrow in place, but without being drawn back for firing (my archery knowledge is limited, I'm afraid I don't know the formal name for such a placement).
Quote from: Dany on March 12, 2010, 01:32:32 PM
(my archery knowledge is limited, I'm afraid I don't know the formal name for such a placement).
Lol, same here, and I Bowhunt every now and then.
Quote from: michiko nakano on March 12, 2010, 12:59:10 PM
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Quote from: amaya_JDB on March 10, 2010, 12:58:07 PM
Quote from: Jerry on March 10, 2010, 09:01:07 AM
Quote from: amaya_JDB on March 10, 2010, 12:29:03 AM
I'm planing to bring a bow and arrow set to go with my cosplay. Are there any restrictions?
Another good question --- i'm guessing if its a non-working Bow and Arrow --- meaning the bow does NOT actually pull back and the arrow is not to be used as a projectile in ANY shape or form
now posing with the arrow as of going to be shot of course is ok - but if the arrow is actually shoot-able... then we're gonna have some issues.
I'll ask at the meeting this Saturday. :)
thank you.
The bow will be full functional (trying to make it somewhat realistic as possible) but the arrows are just going to be sticks with feathers and maybe a foam or soft rubber head (don't know yet) that I'm making myself. Highly doubt it'll hurt someone.
Once you know something could you please tell me asap? I'm working on the arrows already.
yeah i'm gonna need at least one bow as well... and it's kindof impossible to make it not shootable unless you have a string that hangs with like two feet of slack. which is ridiculous. so perhaps there could be some more lenient rules than "not shootable" perhaps like saying that the string has to be made of elastic cord or something so that it can be realistic looking but not easily shot with.
Last year I had a bow to go with my costume, and I carved it out of styrofoam (covered in papier mache, etc). I used a fairly slack elastic string, so the entire thing was absolutely nonfunctional. When I went to get it peacebonded, I was required to remove the string.
Not sure if that was actually part of the policy, or if it will be this year, just wanted to share what my experience was.
you got the string removed? ._. ...*feels discouraged*
Wait....if the string is removed, wouldn't that kind ruin the cosplay and be harder to pose with?
What about a non-elastic string that is long enough to give the look of a pulled-back bow but wouldn't actually shoot an arrow? It can then be made to somehow pull through a hole on one end of the bow and somehow fastened to tighten it (but it would still be useless as a bow, keep in mind) for pictures where the bow isn't supposed to be drawn back. I'm not sure if that's acceptable, but it's at least an idea of a way to get both the drawn and the non-drawn look with a non-functional bow.
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Quote from: KindaRandomKris on March 11, 2010, 11:33:38 PM
Last year I had a bow to go with my costume, and I carved it out of styrofoam (covered in papier mache, etc). I used a fairly slack elastic string, so the entire thing was absolutely nonfunctional. When I went to get it peacebonded, I was required to remove the string.
Not sure if that was actually part of the policy, or if it will be this year, just wanted to share what my experience was.
you got the string removed? ._. ...*feels discouraged*
Wait....if the string is removed, wouldn't that kind ruin the cosplay and be harder to pose with?
The cosplay was in no way ruined, since the string was just a small detail. I just had a little bit of trouble with some poses - my left hand isn't all that strong, and the bow was sort of heavy, so I kept having to check and make sure I was holding the bow correctly.
To be honest, I don't even realize, in pictures, the bow has no string unless I remember it doesn't.
i just wanna know what the rules are for having a bow with a string on it. because the way i wear my bows (around one shoulder and across the body, like a satchel) i need a string on it.
Does anyone have tips about walking around with huge props? I have the Harkonnen from Hellsing but it is quite hard to walk around with. Should I just have it with me outside at the fountains instead of bringing it inside? I just don't know if it would ruin my time at Fanime if I have to have a big prop with me all day. So does anyone have experience with this?
i saw a pyramid head dragging his huge blade around last year, and it's not like people were stepping on it or anything, so you won't have to worry about its safety for the most part.
but if you think about it, most characters that have giant weapons don't carry them around *all* the time, so people won't really care if you only have it with you when you're outside.
as far as i can tell, it would only be a problem if it didn't pass the weapons policy, or if you got tired of carrying it. otherwise, bring it inside the con center, i'm sure there will be people in there that will be totally stoked to see the complete cosplay with weapon and all.
Quote from: michiko nakano on March 14, 2010, 10:31:37 AM
i saw a pyramid head dragging his huge blade around last year, and it's not like people were stepping on it or anything, so you won't have to worry about its safety for the most part.
but if you think about it, most characters that have giant weapons don't carry them around *all* the time, so people won't really care if you only have it with you when you're outside.
as far as i can tell, it would only be a problem if it didn't pass the weapons policy, or if you got tired of carrying it. otherwise, bring it inside the con center, i'm sure there will be people in there that will be totally stoked to see the complete cosplay with weapon and all.
Ahh thank you. :)
hi everyone -
unfortunately the final Weapons/ prop / cosplayer item policy is STILL being reviewed by the Fanime's legal department.
We hope to have the weapons policy - up by the the next general meeting [march 28th]
so i apologize for the inconvenience
so if you need more immediate answer please email -
[email protected] Thanks!
Quote from: roth14 on March 13, 2010, 10:59:49 PM
Does anyone have tips about walking around with huge props? I have the Harkonnen from Hellsing but it is quite hard to walk around with. Should I just have it with me outside at the fountains instead of bringing it inside? I just don't know if it would ruin my time at Fanime if I have to have a big prop with me all day. So does anyone have experience with this?
If you bring it inside, then be mindful of crowds of people and of crowded spaces. I wouldn't bring a giant weapon, say, into the dealer's room where it can easily knock into people or tables, potentially breaking things. It might also be difficult if you are going into a crowded video or panel room, since you will need a place to put it while you sit. If you are just planning on hanging out around the inside of the con, then it's probably fine, just be careful.
It will probably be easier if you have a hotel room somewhat closeby, because you can always stash the weapon if you get tired of carrying it everywhere.
Quote from: Jerry on March 14, 2010, 04:15:41 PM
hi everyone -
unfortunately the final Weapons/ prop / cosplayer item policy is STILL being reviewed by the Fanime's legal department.
We hope to have the weapons policy - up by the the next general meeting [march 28th]
so i apologize for the inconvenience
so if you need more immediate answer please email - [email protected]
Thanks!
crap... does it have to be
[email protected] or can it be
[email protected]
^ I've never known capitalization to matter in addresses
Quote from: Kyra_Maverick on March 15, 2010, 12:05:59 AM
^ I've never known capitalization to matter in addresses
yeah, that's what i figured. okie dokie~
Hey, I want to cosplay as Zolo from One Piece, but I have a problem finding swords that I can actually take out and display. I found these on eBay, but I'm not sure if I can display them.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260537590664&rvr_id=&crlp=1_263602_263622&UA=WXS%3F&GUID=34d39c701230a09c13c328f3ffe4c8be&itemid=260537590664&ff4=263602_263622
Quote from: aXuaLiAlex on March 17, 2010, 09:04:54 PM
Hey, I want to cosplay as Zolo from One Piece, but I have a problem finding swords that I can actually take out and display. I found these on eBay, but I'm not sure if I can display them.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260537590664&rvr_id=&crlp=1_263602_263622&UA=WXS%3F&GUID=34d39c701230a09c13c328f3ffe4c8be&itemid=260537590664&ff4=263602_263622
If it's live steel it will
not be allowed at Fanime.
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Quote from: aXuaLiAlex on March 17, 2010, 09:04:54 PM
Hey, I want to cosplay as Zolo from One Piece, but I have a problem finding swords that I can actually take out and display. I found these on eBay, but I'm not sure if I can display them.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260537590664&rvr_id=&crlp=1_263602_263622&UA=WXS%3F&GUID=34d39c701230a09c13c328f3ffe4c8be&itemid=260537590664&ff4=263602_263622
If it's live steel it will not be allowed at Fanime.
QFE -
NO LIVE STEEL
-> which includes swords, knives, kunai, throwing daggers, blades, cane swords, concealed sharp edged items of ANY Kind.
IF YOU PURCHASE A SWORD - blade or knife type item from the Dealers Hall - are your REQUIRED to immediately store and NOT open/remove/unsheathe any of these items whatsoever.
Rules are Rules ---- Thanks!
Quote from: Rodney_Pheonix on March 10, 2010, 03:54:07 PM
I've got a "rifle" I've beeen constructing for my Fallout Wastelander costume, it's made entire out of PVC and some parts from an Airsoft shotgun (Namely the adjustable butt and the weaver rail for sight attachments) and an Airsoft "Silencer". It'ss mostly black and has a weathered look, I decided not to really polish it and made it look like it's held together with Baling wire and duct tape. (which it partly is so, with healthy amounts of gorrilla glue.)
With the silencer attachment it does have an orange tip, however I'm unsure on if it would be ok for the con.
[reserved area for a picture, once I find and charge my camera]
[Found the camera... weird, I thought I'd lost it in another part of the house...]
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p237/Arraxus/100_0868.jpg
With the stock adjusted to the full length and the "laser dot sight" from the aforementioned shotgun.
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p237/Arraxus/100_0866.jpg
Stock Adjusted down as short as it can be. Sans sight.
The only moving parts are the adjustable stock, and the breach. (originally the breach assembly was part of a marshmallow blow gun I'd made.)
*reiterates my previous question*Nevermind, just checked my e-mail and Mike on rovers staff already gave me the ok. now to find my Dremel so I can cut up the Airsoft AK that showed up to work on my new project.
Quote from: Jerry on March 05, 2010, 10:02:46 AM
still has to be checked out and probably peace bonded [hopefully not to you] ~ depends of the toy actually comes with a holster [which i sorta doubt]
usually when you hold/pose with said star trek phaser you could cover the peace bond tie.
Keep in mind ALOT of cosplayers prefer not to have peace bond when it comes to pose-ing or taking pictures [which is understandable]
since most pictures are taken outside usually in the fountain areas you can go without a peace bond, but once wandering around the convention center areas - The Rovers will double check all items.
So most cosplayers know the routine of taking as many pictures outside without said peace bonds and then getting them checked and peace bonded while indoors.
Some of our hardcore cosplayers have been collecting peace bond ties since they've started cosplaying.
again final weapons / cosplayer policies will be posted hopefully ASAP .
Thanks for your patience!
Actually, I have to make my own belt because the "official" one is only in Kid sizes, but yes, the belt comes with a holster, which I'll detach from the kid belt and use for my adult size one.
would anyone happen to know if it's against the rules to walk around FanimeCon with no shoes? I'm cosplaying at Toph, from Avatar: The Last Airbender and don't want to maybe ruin the outfit seeing as she doesn't wear shoes, but if it's a huge deal than I'll just wear sandals or something that would match.
thanks for any answers I can get!
Yeah, you have to wear something on your feet. I suggest flip-flops, that way you can slide them off for pictures and none the wiser. Especially if you happen to find some with clear bands on them.
Quote from: LaughLikeMad on March 22, 2010, 02:53:20 PM
would anyone happen to know if it's against the rules to walk around FanimeCon with no shoes? I'm cosplaying at Toph, from Avatar: The Last Airbender and don't want to maybe ruin the outfit seeing as she doesn't wear shoes, but if it's a huge deal than I'll just wear sandals or something that would match.
thanks for any answers I can get!
I've been stopped before because of shoes. Not by fanime staff, but by convention center staff. I was wearing slippers that looked like shoes at the time, but they didn't feel it was safe enough. My suggestion would be to visit your local Payless Shoe Source, they usually have flesh colored sneakers cheap. You can wear them without shoelaces and slip them on and off easily without having to worry about anyone worrying about the health of your feet. Have fun. :)
Quote from: BrightHeart76 on March 22, 2010, 04:54:13 PM
Quote from: LaughLikeMad on March 22, 2010, 02:53:20 PM
would anyone happen to know if it's against the rules to walk around FanimeCon with no shoes? I'm cosplaying at Toph, from Avatar: The Last Airbender and don't want to maybe ruin the outfit seeing as she doesn't wear shoes, but if it's a huge deal than I'll just wear sandals or something that would match.
thanks for any answers I can get!
I've been stopped before because of shoes. Not by fanime staff, but by convention center staff. I was wearing slippers that looked like shoes at the time, but they didn't feel it was safe enough. My suggestion would be to visit your local Payless Shoe Source, they usually have flesh colored sneakers cheap. You can wear them without shoelaces and slip them on and off easily without having to worry about anyone worrying about the health of your feet. Have fun. :)
Thanks! that's what I was thinking about doing, at least getting some brown sandals that would match the outfit and not look to out of place.
Something else you can use as a suggestion to make you feet-legal. It's from the Lord of the Rings Costuming website:
http://www.alleycatscratch.com/lotr/makingem/Makeup/Feet/YourOwn.htm
Go a little ways down and you'll see a bit on how someone used a pair of sandals to create the illusion of bare feet with a pair of flip-flops. It's geared towards Hobbits, but it's a thought for compromise (though I would suggest that you bring some form of shoes as a backup just in case staff doesn't feel it is enough)
So heres a question that i should have remembered, i am thinking about going as Cernunnos a celtic god that is featured in a few animes that barely made it proper. plus i figured he would be awesome to make. (plus it be hilarious for him to hug da Jesus) so my question is he has horns and would require in me purchasing plastic horns to be worn on the head, but the hardest question is he shows his chest, now last year i saw some people that were bassicly shirtless but i want to make sure its okay. the rest of my body would be covered. but just wanted to double check on policy.
Ok I have read through every single post here so far and my question has not been answered and I am sure someone will tell me to email a higher-up my question but I feel the need to post it here first. This year I plan to cosplay as Alucard from Hellsing. As fans know Alucard has two oversized hand guns. I am working on making props with no moving parts. I also don't want to put on orange covers on the ends of them. My props will be made out of a resin and painted and sanded down so they look good. Because of the length of them I don't think one would suspect them of being real. However I know in years past for prop guns you have had to have the orange coverings on prop guns. If you would look at this http://Seraphim-Sephiroth.deviantart.com/art/Hellsing-Leather-Bound-123969481 a photo from last years con she did not have the orange tips. Please could someone get back to me on what I should do. My gun props will look like the ones in the link.
Quote from: dark-lord-of-sith on March 23, 2010, 07:21:57 PM
Ok I have read through every single post here so far and my question has not been answered and I am sure someone will tell me to email a higher-up my question but I feel the need to post it here first. This year I plan to cosplay as Alucard from Hellsing. As fans know Alucard has two oversized hand guns. I am working on making props with no moving parts. I also don't want to put on orange covers on the ends of them. My props will be made out of a resin and painted and sanded down so they look good. Because of the length of them I don't think one would suspect them of being real. However I know in years past for prop guns you have had to have the orange coverings on prop guns. If you would look at this http://Seraphim-Sephiroth.deviantart.com/art/Hellsing-Leather-Bound-123969481 a photo from last years con she did not have the orange tips. Please could someone get back to me on what I should do. My gun props will look like the ones in the link.
best of luck. if they do end up making you have the orange tips, you can always remove them for photos, right? or slip a cover over them?
Did you see that particular cosplayer in person? If not, best not to assume the props did not have orange tips. It's entirely possible they were edited out after the fact, when the blood was edited in.
Funny thing enough I did see her and her guns at the con.
Am I Able To Bring A Bat? Metal? Wood?
I heard from a friend that, if you would to bring a weapon that I have to go somewhere to sign some papers to make promises or something. Is that true? My first year going to fanime x] haha
Quote from: jeremytran21 on March 26, 2010, 08:27:10 PM
Am I Able To Bring A Bat? Metal? Wood?
I heard from a friend that, if you would to bring a weapon that I have to go somewhere to sign some papers to make promises or something. Is that true? My first year going to fanime x] haha
my recommendation is a large toy bat. preferably one made out of foam.
metal = no good at con wood = still lots of potential dangers.
and of course the common sense check that the part IS part of a cosplayer / character that actually exist and not some random character you decided to create just so u could carry it around.
finally there is no "signing" going on--- tho if you read thru this thread there is a "peace bonding" agreement which means there will be a zip tie tied to your cosplay item/weapon which means youve spoken to fanime staff that will you not do bad things with said items
again there is a general staff meeting this sunday --- and i hope to hear from my higher ups so we can finally post the weapons / cosplay props policy
again PLEASE Send and and ALL questions to
[email protected] thanks!
Thanks :D
Okay, so I;ve read everything and I'm pretty sure my question hasn't been answered but if it has then I'm slow. ~_~;;;
Anyway. So i'm going to have this sort of giant cannon gun thing, I don't have a picture of it yet but it's based off of this, since I'll be cosplaying her:
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It's going to be made out of cardboard, craftfoam... really soft maerials. And to hold it my hand goes inside it since it's basically this giant tube. And this is my first time cosplaying with any prop sooo... I don't really know anything. @.@; It's going to be painted to look like a black metal but the inside of it will be an ice blue.
Is that okay?
Question about peacebonding; can I peacebond all of my props at the same time or do I have to be in that certain costume. I was planning to peacebond all of my props on Friday when it would be less hectic.
Quote from: Mi Feng on March 29, 2010, 12:19:30 AM
Question about peacebonding; can I peacebond all of my props at the same time or do I have to be in that certain costume. I was planning to peacebond all of my props on Friday when it would be less hectic.
unfortunately, from how our policies are -
all items/props/ weapons --- may only be peace bonded while in the appropriate cosplay at the time of "bonding"
If you REALLY need to make special arrangements to get ALL your items peace bounded at the same time I would reccommend contacting "
[email protected] " and try to work something out with my department heads.
but technically they may say no, so again sorry for the inconvenience. >_<
Quote from: thelifeoftehparty on March 28, 2010, 12:42:21 PM
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Is that okay?
Yes, if made out of cardboard, or non metal items this will be acceptable.
rule of thumb with "gun like weapons" ---- if the item is "unusually large" [usually bigger or longer than the cosplayer using it] then it should be acceptable due to the fact that its unlikely [crossing fingers] not to be real.
Other examples would be from Gurren Laagan like Yoko's massive rifle/gun and stuff like that.
Hopefully that info helps.
the weapons policy has been submitted and confirmed--- now just to get the link from my Rover's department heads...
will try to get that posted ASAP ---
less than 2 months cosplayers... DONT PROCRASTINATE!!! Good luck everyone! :D
Ah, my turn I think. Two things...
1.) Paperweight/Paperweight-Cardboard items.
2.) 1 is a katana like cardboard item and it's black, it's not finished yet and a friend's making it for me. However because it is cardboard I would not want to attach it to my back or zipped to my side in fears that it may very well get damaged. It does not have a sheath because the character doesn't call for one (Black Rock Shooter) and I am short 5'4" so zipping it to my back or my side may cause issues of dragging it on the ground or making it difficult to get through doorways if attached to my back.
3.) Current work in progress here of my paperweight pistol: http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/089/6/2/Korbens_Pistol_WIP2_Side2_by_koke_momo.jpg I will be painting the tip and butt of the gun orange, just wanted to make sure that it's alright.
4.) Because both of these are paperweight/cardboard I was very worried about their durability with the ziptie. I don't know how true it is; however I have heard things from previous attendees of how ConOps zips the weapons quick and tight. Is it alright if I ask if it's a bit looser? Not to the point of falling off but not where it's completely snug because I /am/ worried about the fact that these are paperweight props.
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-> which includes swords, knives, kunai, throwing daggers, blades, cane swords, concealed sharp edged items of ANY Kind.
IF YOU PURCHASE A SWORD - blade or knife type item from the Dealers Hall - are your REQUIRED to immediately store and NOT open/remove/unsheathe any of these items whatsoever.
Rules are Rules ---- Thanks!
Alright, I've finally finished reading through this thread. After reading the No Live Steele policy a bunch of times and a few interesting pieces about armor for feet, I'm adding another thought to this.
I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be allowed (so just making sure xP) what about spurs? They are real and metal, very round (the beginning rider kind, not like the deadly kind you see hanging in museums) but I was pretty sure they were out of the question because they
are metal. I would post a picture, but can't figure out how. (I did click the insert image button, but after that I was confused because nothing happened other than surrounding text for it was added -.-')
copy paste the url and they'll figure it out
Brought from my foolish post on the 2009 thread:
I am asking a question(s) as this may affect me and my group's plan at FanimeCon 2010.
1 ) Are Nerf Swords affected by this weapons policy?
http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/185-8256824-0332338?asin=B00284C4GO&AFID=Froogle_df&LNM=|B00284C4GO&CPNG=toys&ref=tgt_adv_XSG10001
2 ) Are expanding lightsabers affected by this weapons policy?
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&safe=off&q=lightsaber+toy&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=13952301542916162918&ei=fgC0S8qTN5XUMsi1-OwJ&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=image&resnum=4&ved=0CC0Q8gIwAw#
This isn't a real cosplay, we're just putting on a show, really.
Just me and my friends are going to walk around the con slowly in snuggies, [like jedi knights?]
then immediately erupt into a Ninja Battle in the Arcade using the Nerf Swords and/or Lightsabers to attack instead of our hands.
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This isn't a real cosplay, we're just putting on a show, really.
Just me and my friends are going to walk around the con slowly in snuggies, [like jedi knights?]
then immediately erupt into a Ninja Battle in the Arcade using the Nerf Swords and/or Lightsabers to attack instead of our hands.
Admitting this might be an issue - Sure we're okay with your own cosplay made up characters -
but running around with nerf guns and play swords and horseplaying within busy crowds isnt really appreciated. >:(
As mentioned before you really should e-mail RoversATfanimeDOTcom
I'm not trying to be a buzzkill but its for the safety of the other fan con goers around you.
sooooooo any word on when we're going to see a weapon's policy yet?
For my costume, I'm going to have a prop chainsaw. It'll be this, painted. (http://"http://www.partycity.com/product/costumes+and+accesories/weapons/leatherface+chainsaw+27in.do?sortby=bestSellers") Would I not be allowed to have this, or could it still be peacebonded? It doesn't appear to have moving parts.
And if I cannot, the next step is scissors, which I assume I'd need peacebonded. *sigh* No time for doll sewing...
I'm going to be cosplaying China from Axis Powers Hetalia, and I'm wondering if his wok and ladle thing is alright. They're basic items and have NO sharp edges at all, but they are made of metal. Are they alright? The wok is a little over a foot wide in the actual round part and the ladle, I believe, is somewhere between one and two feet (I don't have it yet, but that's the one I want to get).
If they aren't okay because they're metal, can I put something on the edges of the wok and the ladle so it's soft and even duller to make it safer?
Here's a picture to show what it's going to be. China is the one on the left with the wok and ladle, obviously, but... yeah. And no, I don't plan on beating people up with them like China. LOL I'm sorry they're chibi in the picture-- it's the only way you see both items in the anime.
Thank you~
Quote from: CroutonicSarcasm on April 10, 2010, 12:21:30 PM
I'm going to be cosplaying China from Axis Powers Hetalia, and I'm wondering if his wok and ladle thing is alright. They're basic items and have NO sharp edges at all, but they are made of metal. Are they alright? The wok is a little over a foot wide in the actual round part and the ladle, I believe, is somewhere between one and two feet (I don't have it yet, but that's the one I want to get).
If they aren't okay because they're metal, can I put something on the edges of the wok and the ladle so it's soft and even duller to make it safer?
Here's a picture to show what it's going to be. China is the one on the left with the wok and ladle, obviously, but... yeah. And no, I don't plan on beating people up with them like China. LOL I'm sorry they're chibi in the picture-- it's the only way you see both items in the anime.
Thank you~
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j37/Gaara_2792/het18p14.jpg
Whoops. Apparently, my computer didn't paste url. Sorry. There it is.
hi, i'm new here and my brothers,sisters, nephews and friends are going as random bleach type characters. and we were wondering can we bring the wooden cosplay swords? and what are the rules with weapon props? what are the rules with having weapon cosplay?
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I'm planing to bring a bow and arrow set to go with my cosplay. Are there any restrictions?
Another good question --- i'm guessing if its a non-working Bow and Arrow --- meaning the bow does NOT actually pull back and the arrow is not to be used as a projectile in ANY shape or form
now posing with the arrow as of going to be shot of course is ok - but if the arrow is actually shoot-able... then we're gonna have some issues.
I'll ask at the meeting this Saturday. :)
thank you.
The bow will be full functional (trying to make it somewhat realistic as possible) but the arrows are just going to be sticks with feathers and maybe a foam or soft rubber head (don't know yet) that I'm making myself. Highly doubt it'll hurt someone.
Once you know something could you please tell me asap? I'm working on the arrows already.
yeah i'm gonna need at least one bow as well... and it's kindof impossible to make it not shootable unless you have a string that hangs with like two feet of slack. which is ridiculous. so perhaps there could be some more lenient rules than "not shootable" perhaps like saying that the string has to be made of elastic cord or something so that it can be realistic looking but not easily shot with.
Last year I had a bow to go with my costume, and I carved it out of styrofoam (covered in papier mache, etc). I used a fairly slack elastic string, so the entire thing was absolutely nonfunctional. When I went to get it peacebonded, I was required to remove the string.
Not sure if that was actually part of the policy, or if it will be this year, just wanted to share what my experience was.
Last year, I had a bow and no arrow. Nothing to shoot and can't hurt anyone. One peace-bonder gave me a hard time. I guess she was not trained well. She wouldn't peace-bond it and made me leave because I couldn't remove the string. What did I do? I took it to the main rovers or Con Ops office place and they peace bonded it with no problems at all.
The main problem that Ms. Hardhead had was the string. I didn't have my pliers to unscrew it and she wouldn't let me use hers. But even if I did have pliers on me, what keeps me from removing the string, getting it peace bonded, and then reattaching the string?
The rules are for kids and workers are mostly kids. In my opinion, serious cosplayers have a seriously hard time at conventions because of silliness.
During Fanime 2009 One of my friend from Fremont cosplay as one of the MGS4 character. (The one that wear the sunglasses)
One of his prop was a "SCAR" a tan color assault rifle. It look pretty real to me.
Yet I met him in the Fanime Market with the gun sling to his chest. His weapon like most weapon I saw during Fanime2009 was
embedded with "YELLOW TIE WRAP". He said, as long as he doesn't look like he has a "hostile intent" he was allow to walk anywhere with it.
okay so i have bleach or anime wooden swords, i can just have them strapped to my side or my back and it won't be a problem?
I'm going to be cosplaying as Richter Belmont. I was wondering if I can bring a prop leather whip?
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So, I have a question. I'm planning as dressing as Ghost from MW2 this year, and I already have the whole kit together. I just need to know what I can do for the weapon. According to the 2009 weapon's rules, it cannot have any moving parts. BUT, I have an M4 (Not real steel, cannot fire real bullets, etc.) It, however still has a few functioning parts, and I want to know what else I need to disable.
1. The trigger can still be pulled.
2. The stock can be collapsed into 5 positions.
3. There is a small lever on the stock that allows it to be collapsed.
4. The magazine release can be pushed in to release the magazine.
5. The flash hider (tip) can be removed. Do I need to glue it on?
I also have a glock (side-arm) that again has no functionality, but is just the shell of the gun.
1. The trigger can also be pulled
2. The slide can be pulled back.
3. The slide lock functions
4. The mag release is functional, and mags can be inserted and removed
Please note that none of these are real firearms, all stripped and gutted airsoft replicas that can no longer fire any kind of projectile.
What other modifications do I need to do?
I would strongly suggest that you pose your questions to [email protected]. One of the guys will be able to answer you.
I can not speak for them, but I will tell you that majority of conventions will not allow any real fire arms (functioning or not) due to state and local laws. If it looks real then you will freak someone out. There are too many law enforcement officers (both on and off duty) that visit the convention over the course of the weekend and you might just end up spending your con in the local police station answering questions.
As a fan of such series as Resident Evil, I can tell you that the weapons policy of most conventions has become what it is due to something that has happened in the past at some con or show. I was there when the SFPD showed up at JTAF 2 and were questioning some MGS and RE cosplayers about the "Weapons" they were carrying because a person was afraid that the group were going to attack patrons or were in the process of a "gang" war. That took about an hour to straighten out and no one went to jail to my understanding, but it could be scary to an outsider looking in.
Suggestion for what ever prop weapon you end up with: make sure that it looks NOT real as much as possible. A blazing orange tip and butt along with some other type of marking could go a long way. BUT I would like to state it again, please contact [email protected] with your weapons/props questions. They are more of the authority on what will and will not be allowed at Fanime.
Thank you
BSaphire
BSaphire:
Let start by saying I was the metal gear cosplayer who was approached by SFPD....it wasnt THAT serious, in fact the only reason they had a problem with it was JTAF2 was held 911 a year after the attacks....thats genius on the scheduling i know! but my resident evil friends hunk and chris redfield both were gearing up on GEARY street and some old lady reported terrorist activity. Now fanime's "cops will shoot you 1st" lecture is complete BS and is the only thing that bogs down my awesome time at fanime. SFPD werent only just cool about it but they stayed to see our "skit", one officer was standing next to my mom during the skit and was laughing and cheering us on. Afterwards we left our weapons in the cars out of respect and they told us if there wasnt a report they would have a problem with it. Now fastforward to 2 weeks ago (WONDERCON2010) my cousin and I cosplayed RIOS AND SALEM from ARMY OF TWO. I took my M4A1 with NO ORANGETIP nothing whatso ever that tells SFPD/CONOPS/PUBLIC it was a fake....and yet 4 SFPD officers watched us gear up and smiled at us, so this whole thing about laws and crap is thrown out the window at cons right? wrong....fanime con ops tend to bully and harass congoers who just want to pose with weapons, hell ive seen the officers at fanime and all they care about are the kids crossing the railways to get to the stage...i know for a fact they bully us, the one year they PEACEBONDED MY STUFFED FISH.....really? and as master chief last year one rover insisted i peacebond my COVENENT PLASMA RIFLE, google the picture and tell me that looks just like a plastic fish....so throw out the "if it looks real from 20 feet away" rule....apparently they change the "rules" at will depending on if they like you or not....2008 there was a soldier in world war 2 costume and a ready for this???? DECOMISSIONED ROCKET LAUNCHER.....complete with fanime peacebond, and no he did not rip it off something that was peacebonded because i was there when the CON OPS ok'd it, so tread carefully when dancing with con ops, "for fans by fans" not when it comes to weapons policy....to be fair i have tried to go with the rules, eve as far as memorizing the rules word for word. So i gut out a kids toy $2 at a flea market non painted,none working, no trigger and guess what? Still they say no and when there was a girl behind me with a 7 foot sniper rifle made out of pvp they ok'd that in a heartbeat...was it because she was showing cleavage? i dont know? so, sound off if you had a similar expierience with this, NEVER ONCE have they had a problem with me, NOT EVEN CLOSE....they need to pay more close attention to the religious protesters causing problems outside then they do with "weapons policy" this "SJPD will shoot you on the spot bs" seriously, i just wanna have fun with photoshoots and letting people take pictures.
I agree and I'm stating my opinion. That really just isn't fair. Especially about a kids toy have a 7 foot sniper rifle out of pvp. And a Covenent Plasma rifle, peace bonded...? I would understand if this was the year 2553....? But no... a Plasma rifle from Halo looks nothing like a real rifle. I also didn't have problems at WonderCon 2010 myself. Hell, I saw an awesome Storm Trooper Wolverine with metal claws, and no problems. They should also focus on the religious protesters too, which seems like a way bigger issue. I want to be in character, and have photoshoots myself without any problems.
or better yet how about HUG ALLEY? HUG HALL? or all those stupid hugger who ruin wigs and costumes when they hug you for no reason and no permission? NOTHING.....simply allowed to do it.....
This thread isnt about debating about the reasoning about why peace bonds are needed.
Although the prop/weapons policy isnt a perfect system- its in place because we're trying to avoid safety issues as well as respect the local laws of what is allowed to carry in public items that could pose a threat.
yes, SJPD is around, and no we do not claim that they will shoot anyone because of any one item in particular.
for a response to your questions/concerns or issues with why you think you allowed to ignore or bend the Fanime Rules completely - I politely suggest that you e-mail :
rovers[AT]fanime[dot]com
yes, individual experiences may vary - but theres a reason why Fanime has one of the best Cosplay communities out there --- because they understand and work with rules given to them.
on side note: Anywhere INSIDE the SJ convention center Fanime Staff we will try our best to train our staff to be polite about enforcing our rules... but just because you want to argue and be rude about it doesnt give you the right/privilege to again ignore or fight us on the rules set by this Convention.
once your OUTSIDE [usually the fountain area] of the SJ Convention Center, you are allowed to do what you will - take off peace bonds, pose anyway you want and etc... assuming you dont pose a threat to the SJPD or your fellow con go-ers. Again please do not harass or gather against the protesters, we politely ask that you let them be and enjoy your time at the convention.
As for the HUG LINE - this has been duly noted, and if you didnt report it to a staff member, then next time you should. Our staff has been asked that any line or massive group of huggers is to be dispersed immediately.
I never said i was arguing...werent you reading what I posted? I tried to respect the convention by memorizing the weapons policy, the only rude ones are the rovers who abuse their powers, want an example? how about the rover who works at bloomingdales security? i dont know his name but i complained about him being really really rude once before, and i still see him on staff....like i said before and i guess you might have missed it in my 1st post. I HAVE NEVER POSED A PROBLEM FOR FANIME OR SJPD NOT ONCE, now thats not me being rude,apparently you were saying i was and that i was arguing. I did complain about those huggers messing up my master chief shoulder armour...and results? nothing.....so no arguing here just couldnt hold in my frustration with con rules at fanime how inconsistent it is.....but i love fanime and the only thing that ruins it are rude authority figures who abuse their powers....
both attendees as well as staff have a given privilege to take their concerns to our Fanime Con Ops at any time to file a complaint.
Both Attendees and Staff members have ID numbers written on the badge or you could take a description of said member or staff [though a name and ID # would be ideal] if you truly have issues with any given member of the Convention.
each issue will be reviewed case by case and will be dealt with accordingly.
Until then I suggest going back to the main topic at hand.
Again I cannot speak or act on all Rover behalf, and I've tried my best to get a link to the updated 2010 Weapons/props/ item policy so I'll keep buggin them to get it posted somewhere.
otherwise please contact my Rover heads at:
Rovers[AT]fanime[DOT]com
Thanks!
Ok really Fanime is just over a month away. I have not seen any weapons/props policy anywhere on the site. Am I missing something? Crazy idea, make a list of rules and just review them from year to year. Why make a whole new set of rules each year? For someone who goes to this Convention and wants to bring a prop weapon of some sort this is not fair. I don't care if you are after your heads to post the rules. They should have already been up like three months ago. I have never brought prop weapons before but this year I am planning to and yeah you can give me an email to contact someone with but that is not the point. By the Fan for the Fans? Really? If that was the case this policy would already be up. I check this Forum weekly and still I have not seen anything that tells me one way or another if I will be able to bring the props I am making.
Am I the only one who gets the feeling this thread is dangerously close to getting locked for being off topic?
Anyway, back on topic.
My sister had a question. She is wearing a crown for one of her cosplays. She has a choice, the one that looks better is stiff wire holding beads. The metal wire is covered by beads and while it is stiff, it bends and breaks very easily. This is the better crown and the one she prefers. The other choice is plastic, painful and not as pretty. The question is, would she have to peace bond the wire and bead crown since it is part metal? She'll have to have her sceptor peace bonded, so the problem isn't peace bonding, she just doesn't want to walk around with a zip tie on her head. lol, I can see her point. We had planned to just bring both crowns and ask when we have her sceptor peace bonded, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask in advance either. :D
to answer your question about the sceptor, if i had to peacebond a stuffed fish....then yea im sure they will bug about the sceptor, prior fanime rules also ask that if you have a prop of some sort that it gets peacebonded to a part of the costume so you CANNOT pose with it. Unless of course they decided to change it again on the spot on a person by person rule change.
so to my understanding, peacebonding a sword means you can't unsheath it.
basically, i want to know if it's worth purchasing/making a tia halibel sword, if i can't show it off during gatherings or photo ops. will i be able to unsheath it during those times, and then get it re-peace bonded? or should i just carry around an empty sheath?
Oh I'm not even going to ASK if I can bring an airsoft pump shotgun with no ammo. I guess Bill from L4D doesn't NE- *cough* sorry I couldn't even lie that.
oh well... sucks but it's the state of the world I have to blame not Fanime.
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Quote from: BSaphire on December 30, 2009, 08:01:31 AM
I would strongly suggest that you pose your questions to [email protected]. One of the guys will be able to answer you.
I can not speak for them, but I will tell you that majority of conventions will not allow any real fire arms (functioning or not) due to state and local laws. If it looks real then you will freak someone out. There are too many law enforcement officers (both on and off duty) that visit the convention over the course of the weekend and you might just end up spending your con in the local police station answering questions.
As a fan of such series as Resident Evil, I can tell you that the weapons policy of most conventions has become what it is due to something that has happened in the past at some con or show. I was there when the SFPD showed up at JTAF 2 and were questioning some MGS and RE cosplayers about the "Weapons" they were carrying because a person was afraid that the group were going to attack patrons or were in the process of a "gang" war. That took about an hour to straighten out and no one went to jail to my understanding, but it could be scary to an outsider looking in.
Suggestion for what ever prop weapon you end up with: make sure that it looks NOT real as much as possible. A blazing orange tip and butt along with some other type of marking could go a long way. BUT I would like to state it again, please contact [email protected] with your weapons/props questions. They are more of the authority on what will and will not be allowed at Fanime.
Thank you
BSaphire
Quote from: loner on April 15, 2010, 05:18:08 PM
BSaphire:
Let start by saying I was the metal gear cosplayer who was approached by SFPD....it wasnt THAT serious, in fact the only reason they had a problem with it was JTAF2 was held 911 a year after the attacks....thats genius on the scheduling i know! but my resident evil friends hunk and chris redfield both were gearing up on GEARY street and some old lady reported terrorist activity.
Ok.. I was told a couple of things, but the gang thing was what came up the most. Thanks for clarifying that for me. Though SFPD was with you, did you ever consider that maybe the Convention had to spend some time with SFPD also... thus the about an hour statement. I am glad that nothing bad happened and that everyone continued to have fun.
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Now fanime's "cops will shoot you 1st" lecture is complete BS and is the only thing that bogs down my awesome time at fanime.
I never said that the cops would shoot you 1st. As for law... well I'm not going to argue law with anyone, but I do know that California's Penal Code section 245(a)(1) does play a part in the legal wording and law abiding that conventions do... I'm not a part of Fanime's legal department either so I am NOT speaking for them. Here is a link that might help you understand some of the complexities of that particular section of the penal code:
http://www.shouselaw.com/assault-weapon.html
Quote from: loner on April 15, 2010, 05:18:08 PM
... Now fastforward to 2 weeks ago (WONDERCON2010) my cousin and I cosplayed RIOS AND SALEM from ARMY OF TWO. I took my M4A1 with NO ORANGETIP nothing whatso ever that tells SFPD/CONOPS/PUBLIC it was a fake....and yet 4 SFPD officers watched us gear up and smiled at us, so this whole thing about laws and crap is thrown out the window at cons right?
Glad that there were no issues, but "Legally" there could be consequences especially if something serious had happened. I don't mean just you, but the convention also.
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wrong....fanime con ops tend to bully and harass congoers who just want to pose with weapons, hell ive seen the officers at fanime and all they care about are the kids crossing the railways to get to the stage...
I can not speak to whether or not Fanime Con Ops or Rover's "Bully" since I have not really had that experience with them and as for the officers that was probably because it was "outside the convention" and a more immediate danger possibility. I don't know since I am not SJPD.
Quote from: loner on April 15, 2010, 05:18:08 PM
i know for a fact they bully us, the one year they PEACEBONDED MY STUFFED FISH.....really? and as master chief last year one rover insisted i peacebond my COVENENT PLASMA RIFLE, google the picture and tell me that looks just like a plastic fish....so throw out the "if it looks real from 20 feet away" rule....apparently they change the "rules" at will depending on if they like you or not....2008 there was a soldier in world war 2 costume and a ready for this???? DECOMISSIONED ROCKET LAUNCHER.....complete with fanime peacebond, and no he did not rip it off something that was peacebonded because i was there when the CON OPS ok'd it, so tread carefully when dancing with con ops, "for fans by fans" not when it comes to weapons policy....to be fair i have tried to go with the rules, eve as far as memorizing the rules word for word. So i gut out a kids toy $2 at a flea market non painted,none working, no trigger and guess what? Still they say no and when there was a girl behind me with a 7 foot sniper rifle made out of pvp they ok'd that in a heartbeat...was it because she was showing cleavage? i dont know? so, sound off if you had a similar expierience with this, NEVER ONCE have they had a problem with me, NOT EVEN CLOSE....
I just want to restate that I am NOT a part of Fanime Rovers... with that said I do know that the department heads have been working on making the rovers staff better informed and hopefully this year will be better. Thank you though for working at not being a problem even if it has been taxing for you.
I remember the second year I attended Fanime and had my daughter's bamboo flute (1' long) peace bonded... still has that zip tie on it matter of fact. :)
Quote from: loner on April 15, 2010, 05:18:08 PM
they need to pay more close attention to the religious protesters causing problems outside then they do with "weapons policy"
As long as they stay on that sidewalk they are not on convention property and thus Fanime and the Convention Center hands are tied because of their constitutional right of "Freedom of Speech." It is up to SJPD to remove them.
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this "SJPD will shoot you on the spot bs" seriously, i just wanna have fun with photoshoots and letting people take pictures.
Again, I never said anything about shooting you, I did say "and you might just end up spending your con in the local police station answering questions" Questions being the operative word here not "shoot."
I agree with you that gathering, taking pictures, cosplaying, and all around fun is what I want too so how about we both try to have fun this year. I have asked to have a peace bonding station next to the gatherings table for convenience to the cospeeps. I want to say thank you again though for not being a problem and should you have an issue this year with rovers for some reason please take note of their staff badge number or name and talk to the Rover department head or second immediately. Please don't wait so that they can act upon it asap. If there is a problem it is better to address it immediately. Sometimes it could be simply a person that needs to go get 12 hrs of sleep, eat, and shower which can make a huge difference.
As a side note... Why isn't the W & P policy up yet? I don't know... and I am curious too.
Quote from: loner on April 15, 2010, 05:18:08 PM
....fanime con ops tend to bully and harass congoers who just want to pose with weapons,
As someone who used to work in the ConOps dept. at FanimeCon, I would like to correct this assumption of ConOps staff going out to "bully and harass congoers". ConOps
does not do any peacebonding of any kind for the past 4 years (that I've worked for FanimeCon, and 5 if you will count this year) and would not do so while on duty. ConOps staff will answer your question or help you find an answer to your question if it pertains to something you've lost, something you found, something that requires a Dept. head's attention, or something else. The staff will direct you to Rovers if you have any questions about weapons.
However, if I see something that I think should be peacebonded (meaning, I feel uncomfortable with your prop), I'll let one of the Rovers know so that they can check it out and enforce the weapons policy.
its not an assumption, ive recently did a poll on facebook with the people who go to fanime con or cons in general and they all were very verbal and more "wordy" with their comments, but in the end we all felt the same way that some people get treated real aweful by rovers/conops and some people are able to get away with things that are obviously against weapons policy, and the ones who follow it are given a hard time. Bad thing about is I have to expect to be treated worst every year even though I DO NOT argue and I follow what they say whoever it may be. Speaking of weapons policy where is the official guidelines? so I print it out and oh wait... it doesnt matter...
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Quote from: loner on April 15, 2010, 05:18:08 PM
....fanime con ops tend to bully and harass congoers who just want to pose with weapons,
As someone who used to work in the ConOps dept. at FanimeCon, I would like to correct this assumption of ConOps staff going out to "bully and harass congoers". ConOps does not do any peacebonding of any kind for the past 4 years (that I've worked for FanimeCon, and 5 if you will count this year) and would not do so while on duty. ConOps staff will answer your question or help you find an answer to your question if it pertains to something you've lost, something you found, something that requires a Dept. head's attention, or something else. The staff will direct you to Rovers if you have any questions about weapons.
However, if I see something that I think should be peacebonded (meaning, I feel uncomfortable with your prop), I'll let one of the Rovers know so that they can check it out and enforce the weapons policy.
Wow this topic is a mess.
Anywho, back to being on topic, I plan on making a combat style sheath knife out of pine and Balsa, and I intend to paint it rather realisticly. my question is will it have to be peacebonded into the sheath?
Also, For the same Cosplay I'm going to have a Dead Airsoft pistol, basically meaning I gutted it, and then messed with the slide so that doesn't work anymore.
The Mag release works, as does the trigger (to an extent) meaning that I can "load" a magazine into it and release it, but cannot cock the pistol in any way shape or form. I do have a holster I can leave it in. The question is will I have to have it Ziptied into the holster?
lol that was me that started it but i couldnt stay quiet anymore, from what i understand it cant be anytype of weapons that are and WERE firable, no moving parts or magazines. ive read, no gutted airsofts at one point....but who knows since there are no official guidelines
Quote from: Rodney_Pheonix on April 20, 2010, 03:57:45 PM
Wow this topic is a mess.
Anywho, back to being on topic, I plan on making a combat style sheath knife out of pine and Balsa, and I intend to paint it rather realisticly. my question is will it have to be peacebonded into the sheath?
Also, For the same Cosplay I'm going to have a Dead Airsoft pistol, basically meaning I gutted it, and then messed with the slide so that doesn't work anymore.
The Mag release works, as does the trigger (to an extent) meaning that I can "load" a magazine into it and release it, but cannot cock the pistol in any way shape or form. I do have a holster I can leave it in. The question is will I have to have it Ziptied into the holster?
again: individual cosplaying experiences may vary.
I honestly dont know why the new 2010 Weapons policy has not been post and I share in your frustrations considering that fanime is less than a month away.
regardless~ @Loner -
I've repeated myself several times now that you should take your concerns directly to the Rover's e-mail so that can respond. Rovers[AT]fanime[dot]com
My Rover's department heads rarely if at all check the fanime boards on a regular basis. and your tone and attitude towards Bsaphire and comments against Con Ops have been very tactless.
you continue to put a negative spin on the whole weapons policy but Rovers and Cosplayers have been having positive cosplay events for 5+ years at the SJ convention center and although there are legitimate issues from time to time, cosplayers adapt to the ever changing rules of the convention.
If you honestly dont like it, then I suggest finding another convention that allows you to do whatever you want in regards to your "weapons & Cosplay" until then dont harass fellow staff members, nor troll this thread.
@ Rodyney --- sorry but again there is a ZERO TOLERANCE against airsoft weapons on site.
again the "grey area" is the fountain and cosplay/photo ops areas but again you will be asked [probably several times] by several different rovers to either put it away or hide it in your room/car.
again any member or even fellow staff member that improperly harasses anyone else should be reported promptly - a vague description really doesnt help us identify the solution if your just gonna say "some random staff member gave me a hard time"
we really need more information to better service our fans and attendees of Fanime Con.
Thanks.
I was merely correcting Bsaphire's story about what happend at JTAF2 since he was talking about a situation I was in and it was completely wrong, how was that tactless? until you have been in my situations you wouldnt share my frustrations to the ever changing policies, and no im not putting a "NEGATIVE SPIN ON POLICIES" so stop "putting words in my mouth". But, even this wont stop me from going to my favorite convention so dont tell me otherwise, get a weapons policy up so I can start studying it.
Quote from: Jerry on April 20, 2010, 04:58:36 PM
again: individual cosplaying experiences may vary.
I honestly dont know why the new 2010 Weapons policy has not been post and I share in your frustrations considering that fanime is less than a month away.
regardless~ @Loner -
I've repeated myself several times now that you should take your concerns directly to the Rover's e-mail so that can respond. Rovers[AT]fanime[dot]com
My Rover's department heads rarely if at all check the fanime boards on a regular basis. and your tone and attitude towards Bsaphire and comments against Con Ops have been very tactless.
you continue to put a negative spin on the whole weapons policy but Rovers and Cosplayers have been having positive cosplay events for 5+ years at the SJ convention center and although there are legitimate issues from time to time, cosplayers adapt to the ever changing rules of the convention.
If you honestly dont like it, then I suggest finding another convention that allows you to do whatever you want in regards to your "weapons & Cosplay" until then dont harass fellow staff members, nor troll this thread.
@ Rodyney --- sorry but again there is a ZERO TOLERANCE against airsoft weapons on site.
again the "grey area" is the fountain and cosplay/photo ops areas but again you will be asked [probably several times] by several different rovers to either put it away or hide it in your room/car.
again any member or even fellow staff member that improperly harasses anyone else should be reported promptly - a vague description really doesnt help us identify the solution if your just gonna say "some random staff member gave me a hard time"
we really need more information to better service our fans and attendees of Fanime Con.
Thanks.
dont matter im gonna enjoy the con because in the end i will only listen to what sjpd will tell me!
see you all there!
Also will it be told to the Rovers to willingly let the people they talk to see their id badge so if the fan at the con did not like what happened and felt he or she was treated poorly they may take the name and id number to who they need to so they can file a complaint? That is only right. If a rover does not let someone see their id badge to get their name and id number then reporting any abuse would not work at all and give the rovers power they could abuse if they wished to. Also a general question about getting my props peace-bonded. Who do I have to talk to and where exactly do I have to go. I plan on getting to the con Friday night and I want to get my props done then.
Quote from: Jerry on April 20, 2010, 04:58:36 PM
again: individual cosplaying experiences may vary.
@ Rodyney --- sorry but again there is a ZERO TOLERANCE against airsoft weapons on site.
again the "grey area" is the fountain and cosplay/photo ops areas but again you will be asked [probably several times] by several different rovers to either put it away or hide it in your room/car.
So presumably that extends to a plastic shell that's been converted into nonoperable present and future.
My question about the Pine/Balsa knife also wasn't addressed, which would be nice before I jump in and start work on that, considering I could be using time working on that for a false Oxy-fuel rig, that I can pack the Oxy canister with Ice and a couple Nalgenes of water.
Rovers Base will be on several locations-
Main base is on the Marriot side - 2nd Floor.
again please note the signs because there is a difference between Rovers & Con Ops [ theyre two different departments ]
Cosplayers may only be allowed to have their items peace bonded while in costume- sorry for the inconvenience, but its part of the rules.
We will also have peace bonding locations near Stage Zero and possibly at other random info booth around the convention floor [staff numbers numbers permitting].
Rovers base will be operating as early as Thursday night the same time the Pre-reg attendee badge pick up only at the Registration area.
Less than 40 days and counting. Get Hype for Fanime.
Quote from: Jerry on April 21, 2010, 07:36:02 AMCosplayers may only be allowed to have their items peace bonded while in costume- sorry for the inconvenience, but its part of the rules.
This is a change, yes? I remember in the past going to Peacebonding with my entire collection for the weekend (the weapons extend over several cosplays), both to make things easier on myself and on the staff (since I'm only coming in there once).
I wish you'd reconsider this one -- I know a lot of cosplayers like to just hit Peacebonding once, so they don't have to worry about things later when they're rushing for a shoot or whatever.
that would have to be approved by my heads - as to not to give the impression of favoritism since some poster *cough cough* think they above the rules and what not.
I could totally understand a veteran cosplayer who sometimes may have up to 5 costume changes in one day [and yes i think your crazy dedicated ;)] then please e-mail
Rovers[at]fanime[dot]com for clarification on that "multiple item -> multiple cosplay" peace bonding rule to help you save time and convenience.
Get hype 4 Fanime!
Is there a limit in our tall the weapon can be?
Quote from: Jerry on April 21, 2010, 07:36:02 AM
Cosplayers may only be allowed to have their items peace bonded while in costume- sorry for the inconvenience, but its part of the rules.
what is the reasoning/logic behind this? (just out of curiosity, I'm in the same position as Charis)
the original thinking behind this [before cosplayers had 10 different costume changes in one day] is that any person/cosplayer could "say" that they are going to have a costume change that same day/fanime weekend and will want to peace bond say and entire armada [say 10+ items] of weapons/props.
the worry here is liability again --- technically speaking you can only cospay one character at a time so you wouldnt need to carry a huge assortment of weapons/props with you.
That and say a NPC [ non playing/cosplaying chracter ] will pick up or walk around with a prop with a peacebond but not properly in cosplay and hypothetically causing a ruckus with it.
So again - we realize that having you go back and forth several times in one day between cosplay props would be tedious and time consuming, but at the same time Fanime doesnt want to be shut down because a non-cosplayer person causes trouble with items peace-bonded all at once thru a rule following cosplayer.
again i dont think there should be an issue with my Rover department heads, but the preference is one cosplay = maybe 3 cosplay items to be bonded max.
just please dont bring an armada of weapons, props and items to be bonded all at once, and for us to believe you really have 10 cosplay changes in ONE DAY :P then again with the way some cosplayers are... i could kinda believe it.
Quote from: Jerry on April 21, 2010, 04:54:10 PM
So again - we realize that having you go back and forth several times in one day between cosplay props would be tedious and time consuming, but at the same time Fanime doesnt want to be shut down because a non-cosplayer person causes trouble with items peace-bonded all at once thru a rule following cosplayer.
again i dont think there should be an issue with my Rover department heads, but the preference is one cosplay = maybe 3 cosplay items to be bonded max.
just please dont bring an armada of weapons, props and items to be bonded all at once, and for us to believe you really have 10 cosplay changes in ONE DAY :P then again with the way some cosplayers are... i could kinda believe it.
Jerry I just want to tell you that I have met some HARD CORE cosplayers that have done 5 gatherings, Cosplay Masq and then two private photo shoots in just one day, though I think after that moment they were heading for a costume change again... but yeah some are that serious :)
Any how I just want to make sure that everyone is aware that I have talked with the head and second of Rovers for a peacebonding station next to the gatherings table. This will assist some of you that have three and four gatherings a day. I just wanted to throw that reminder out there. :)
I hate to sound stupid, but what is the point of having said props peacebonded if there's a possibility of someone to cause a ruckus with them if they're out of costume? Isn't it the individuals responsibility and not Fanime's once the item is peacebonded? The getting all props and weapons peacebonded in costume seems like a huge hassle, mainly for those who will be wearing their costumes to masquerade. Not only that, but with weapons and props policy still not posted and this close to fanime, it would be a shame if someone spent time creating a prop for a skit that didn't pass prop and weapons policy and their only time to find this out would be hours before they were to get on stage. I understand you are trying to cover all angles here to make sure people don't pose threats to those not in the know and keep people safe, but honestly, having people to be in their costume that corresponds with their props/weapons doesn't seem like it will remedy a lot of things and instead slow the policy down, not to mention let a lot of people slip and negate the rules.
So yeah, with it being like 40 or so days before Fanime, it'd be super if we got a solid weapons and props policy for those who are trying to do costumes that are weapon and prop laden, instead of arguing with people who are stating that they've had issues with policies not being concrete.
Quote from: Jerry on April 21, 2010, 04:54:10 PM
the original thinking behind this [before cosplayers had 10 different costume changes in one day] is that any person/cosplayer could "say" that they are going to have a costume change that same day/fanime weekend and will want to peace bond say and entire armada [say 10+ items] of weapons/props.
the worry here is liability again --- technically speaking you can only cospay one character at a time so you wouldnt need to carry a huge assortment of weapons/props with you.
That and say a NPC [ non playing/cosplaying chracter ] will pick up or walk around with a prop with a peacebond but not properly in cosplay and hypothetically causing a ruckus with it.
So again - we realize that having you go back and forth several times in one day between cosplay props would be tedious and time consuming, but at the same time Fanime doesnt want to be shut down because a non-cosplayer person causes trouble with items peace-bonded all at once thru a rule following cosplayer.
again i dont think there should be an issue with my Rover department heads, but the preference is one cosplay = maybe 3 cosplay items to be bonded max.
just please dont bring an armada of weapons, props and items to be bonded all at once, and for us to believe you really have 10 cosplay changes in ONE DAY :P then again with the way some cosplayers are... i could kinda believe it.
for some reason they think i was making up my stories! lol
Quote from: akira_chan on April 22, 2010, 02:32:28 AM
I hate to sound stupid, but what is the point of having said props peacebonded if there's a possibility of someone to cause a ruckus with them if they're out of costume? Isn't it the individuals responsibility and not Fanime's once the item is peacebonded? The getting all props and weapons peacebonded in costume seems like a huge hassle, mainly for those who will be wearing their costumes to masquerade. Not only that, but with weapons and props policy still not posted and this close to fanime, it would be a shame if someone spent time creating a prop for a skit that didn't pass prop and weapons policy and their only time to find this out would be hours before they were to get on stage. I understand you are trying to cover all angles here to make sure people don't pose threats to those not in the know and keep people safe, but honestly, having people to be in their costume that corresponds with their props/weapons doesn't seem like it will remedy a lot of things and instead slow the policy down, not to mention let a lot of people slip and negate the rules.
So yeah, with it being like 40 or so days before Fanime, it'd be super if we got a solid weapons and props policy for those who are trying to do costumes that are weapon and prop laden, instead of arguing with people who are stating that they've had issues with policies not being concrete.
Quote from: Jerry on April 21, 2010, 04:54:10 PM
the original thinking behind this [before cosplayers had 10 different costume changes in one day] is that any person/cosplayer could "say" that they are going to have a costume change that same day/fanime weekend and will want to peace bond say and entire armada [say 10+ items] of weapons/props.
the worry here is liability again --- technically speaking you can only cospay one character at a time so you wouldnt need to carry a huge assortment of weapons/props with you.
That and say a NPC [ non playing/cosplaying chracter ] will pick up or walk around with a prop with a peacebond but not properly in cosplay and hypothetically causing a ruckus with it.
So again - we realize that having you go back and forth several times in one day between cosplay props would be tedious and time consuming, but at the same time Fanime doesnt want to be shut down because a non-cosplayer person causes trouble with items peace-bonded all at once thru a rule following cosplayer.
again i dont think there should be an issue with my Rover department heads, but the preference is one cosplay = maybe 3 cosplay items to be bonded max.
just please dont bring an armada of weapons, props and items to be bonded all at once, and for us to believe you really have 10 cosplay changes in ONE DAY :P then again with the way some cosplayers are... i could kinda believe it.
With no Current Weapons and Peace Bonding policy for 2010 currently available for a policy discussion, I am strongly suggesting that this topic get back on track. When I start getting contacted about construction of props questions off forum I am dismayed because it is not as constructive as it could be. This thread was designed to have cosplayers help other cosplayers and if possible help answer some questions that have been posed in the past.
So let's ALL take this back on track so that we may ALL benefit from each others knowledge. If you have a past W & P COMPLAINT take it to rovers[at]fanime[dot]com. If You have a prior staff issue take it to another section of the forums for staff and volunteers to find out where to direct it form there.
Everyone's cooperation in taking this thread back on topic would be GREATLY appreciated.
Sincerely
BSaphire
Thanks again, Jerry -- I e-mailed a question in about the multiple props/weapons (and included my long-ago request about leaving zipties loose enough that we can cut them off without damaging the paint job underneath). I'll post whatever response I get here for everyone if it'll be helpful.
Aikra_chan: My understanding of general peacebonding policy is that it's a tacit agreement to abide by the rules. No one really things that the zip tie is actually going to keep you from, say, beaning someone over the head with your huge foam-and-fibreglass Final Fantasy sword, but by getting it peace-bonded you are agreeing to Fanime's policies. Just for whatever that's worth.
It *would* be nice to see a policy go live soon. I hope it's not on the same lines as Masquerade, where the rules went live regrettably last-minute for registration.
Quote from: Charis on April 22, 2010, 08:18:47 AM
It *would* be nice to see a policy go live soon. I hope it's not on the same lines as Masquerade, where the rules went live regrettably last-minute for registration.
I emailed Rovers a while back, and they got back to me in about a week with an answer that was strong enough that we could move forward with construction (the answer from Rovers would affect the final materials used). Not sure how the turnaround is now, but I would say that if you have a question that may not be an easy answer, to bring it to the Rovers email, especially if you prefer to keep a costume on the quiet side. With the timeline shortening, it seems like the best bet until the Policy is made
As for Masquerade's rules, the way I read what they have at the moment is that they are basing their decision on the Policy. Now, since the Policy is not yet available, the alternative would be to go directly to Rovers and see where a weapon would stand presently, then bring that data to the Masquerade director.
Not sure if that makes sense, but that's what I'm working with. :)
Ok I have a quick question. Would a gun like this:
http://img.hisupplier.com/var/userImages/old/manfo/manfo$922143447.jpg
(Sorry for the link)
Be ok with all broken moving parts (the trigger) and sprayed a safety color leaving the orange tip?
Quote from: Avairrianna on April 22, 2010, 10:19:56 AM
Ok I have a quick question. Would a gun like this:
http://img.hisupplier.com/var/userImages/old/manfo/manfo$922143447.jpg
(Sorry for the link)
Be ok with all broken moving parts (the trigger) and sprayed a safety color leaving the orange tip?
my first gut reaction would be a no unfortunately. :-[
i think its actually illegal to spray paint toy guns, or something along those lines. you may want to google or check with fellow cosplayers on that one. let alone a public safety code about toy gunlike weapons.
after post 9-11 and with recent police shootings leaving a bitter taste in some law enforcement types.
again 'technically' the gray area is *cough cough* outside of the convention center area, such as the park, fountain area or any private photo shoots you may decide to have.
but again please please PLEASE do not pose any gun like weapons towards law enforcement, or even friends in a joking matter with gunlike items no matter how fake you try to make them.
Reading through this thread, it's gotten a little out of hand. I'm not going to sort through each individual post.
If you have a weapon question, please email Rovers [AT] Fanime [Dot] com and I will answer within 48 hours.
Thanks,
-Steve
Quote from: Dany on April 22, 2010, 10:02:15 AMNot sure if that makes sense, but that's what I'm working with. :)
It did -- though my comment wasn't actually in regards to weapons and Masquerade, but rather the very late date Masquerade rules went up relative to Masq registration; I'm hoping that the weapons policy goes live more than a week before con, for example. That's all. :D
Quote from: Charis on April 22, 2010, 12:45:45 PM
Quote from: Dany on April 22, 2010, 10:02:15 AMNot sure if that makes sense, but that's what I'm working with. :)
It did -- though my comment wasn't actually in regards to weapons and Masquerade, but rather the very late date Masquerade rules went up relative to Masq registration; I'm hoping that the weapons policy goes live more than a week before con, for example. That's all. :D
Oops, then I certainly misread a bit. But..well, I guess that's OK, at least we can hope!
in past fanime conventions i got an ok one year and a no another year, last year i had to have it strapped to my back....and this was a similar gun to the one your showing with no trigger and made all part not move, and NO IT WASNT AIRSOFT like some people would think (hell when i got it checked they didnt even take a look at it before calling it an "airsoft". SJPD saw no threat in me walking down the street in full swat gear to go to mcdonalds (multiple times in a span of 4 years during fanime). I have a M4A1 and an a AK47 both toys and both have been modified to what you wanted to do. So in other words its like rolling a dice, because it does follow certain weapons policy i.e no moving parts, its not a gutted airsoft gun, its not loadable or at anypoint it ever was, it has an orange tip. But like i said we will never know until we get there since technically there isnt a "official" weapons policy.
moving forward--- how about a RPG7 made out of pvc pipe and 2 top halfs of plastic bottles? or a javelin rocket launcher thats basically a 3 inch diameter abs pipe? homemade, nonefiring?
Quote from: Avairrianna on April 22, 2010, 10:19:56 AM
Ok I have a quick question. Would a gun like this:
http://img.hisupplier.com/var/userImages/old/manfo/manfo$922143447.jpg
(Sorry for the link)
Be ok with all broken moving parts (the trigger) and sprayed a safety color leaving the orange tip?
RE: Weapons Policy 2k10 - it's been tortured and tormented. It may be live soon (and by soon I mean hopefully within another day or two). Please be patient and bear with us. In the meantime; Rovers [at] fanime [dot] com can help you.
RE: Rovers have mishandled my props/weapons in the past. Hopefully, the sensitivity training I'm not-so-sensitive-about-instilling will work. Most of us recall that props can be expensive to make or buy, and that we should not f-up your weapon.
RE: "OK one year and not another" that happens at every con. People do stupid things, rules get tighter. Peace-bonders get more educated on what real guns look like, and their opinions change.
PS: The fact that they were guns; sometimes, real guns look like toys to the untrained eye. Sometimes, toys look like "real guns" to the uneducated. Now, really, it can unfortunately be hit-or-miss. We are attempting to be more educated about guns and gun-like props.
RE: RPG7 of pvc pipe and bottles & abs pipe javelin rocket launcher; as long as you don't make it *too* realistic, and nothing moves, I can be convinced to say OK. It needs to be really clear from a distance of about 20 feet in dim lighting that it's not real. The best way, if you have the props made, is to take some good pictures from a couple angles and send it in an email to rovers[at]fanime[dot]com.
Quote from: Aelia on April 25, 2010, 10:09:04 AM
RE: Weapons Policy 2k10 - it's been tortured and tormented. It may be live soon (and by soon I mean hopefully within another day or two). Please be patient and bear with us. In the meantime; Rovers [at] fanime [dot] com can help you.
RE: Rovers have mishandled my props/weapons in the past. Hopefully, the sensitivity training I'm not-so-sensitive-about-instilling will work. Most of us recall that props can be expensive to make or buy, and that we should not f-up your weapon.
RE: "OK one year and not another" that happens at every con. People do stupid things, rules get tighter. Peace-bonders get more educated on what real guns look like, and their opinions change.
PS: The fact that they were guns; sometimes, real guns look like toys to the untrained eye. Sometimes, toys look like "real guns" to the uneducated. Now, really, it can unfortunately be hit-or-miss. We are attempting to be more educated about guns and gun-like props.
RE: RPG7 of pvc pipe and bottles & abs pipe javelin rocket launcher; as long as you don't make it *too* realistic, and nothing moves, I can be convinced to say OK. It needs to be really clear from a distance of about 20 feet in dim lighting that it's not real. The best way, if you have the props made, is to take some good pictures from a couple angles and send it in an email to rovers[at]fanime[dot]com.
Woo! thanks for the follow-up...our weapons are completed and I might just send the photos I have to get another once-over (when I initially emailed it was before we even constructed them, so I figure it may be good to follow up!).
Ok I have a general question about tanks. We need to drill a hole in tanks to prove/prevent them from being filled with something correct?
That would probably be a good idea. I would probably say yes to several weapons if they were non-fillable.
ok now this is a REAL response! thank you! unlike a couple of *ahem* people here....moving on
the pvc pipe rpg/gun props are definitely up to "code" with most cons as well as my weapons which are ok at lets say...AX,WONDERCON, and any bay area local con, fanime seems to be the most inconsistent with them, i mean ive used them over the years and let me clarify what i meant with ok one year and not the another year...they ok'd it the 1st time i used it, the year after they said no, then after that they said yes, then last year yes but i had to strap it to my back while the guy with a decommisioned RPG walked around with a fanime peacebonded ziptie...it was a simple $2 toy i bought in chinatown i dont get it....oh and the cops seen me with it and said nothing to me. the rpg is ultra sensitive too i.e the "handle" already broke once so yea its obvious its not real i mean you can make out the 2 liter bottles and the funnel, but im pretty sure no matter what i do ill get crap for it despite following the "rules". Ie no moving parts,no airsoft,no loadables,orange tip, so on and so forth. i really do appreciate the response that sympathizes with cosplayers.
Quote from: Aelia on April 25, 2010, 10:09:04 AM
RE: Weapons Policy 2k10 - it's been tortured and tormented. It may be live soon (and by soon I mean hopefully within another day or two). Please be patient and bear with us. In the meantime; Rovers [at] fanime [dot] com can help you.
RE: Rovers have mishandled my props/weapons in the past. Hopefully, the sensitivity training I'm not-so-sensitive-about-instilling will work. Most of us recall that props can be expensive to make or buy, and that we should not f-up your weapon.
RE: "OK one year and not another" that happens at every con. People do stupid things, rules get tighter. Peace-bonders get more educated on what real guns look like, and their opinions change.
PS: The fact that they were guns; sometimes, real guns look like toys to the untrained eye. Sometimes, toys look like "real guns" to the uneducated. Now, really, it can unfortunately be hit-or-miss. We are attempting to be more educated about guns and gun-like props.
RE: RPG7 of pvc pipe and bottles & abs pipe javelin rocket launcher; as long as you don't make it *too* realistic, and nothing moves, I can be convinced to say OK. It needs to be really clear from a distance of about 20 feet in dim lighting that it's not real. The best way, if you have the props made, is to take some good pictures from a couple angles and send it in an email to rovers[at]fanime[dot]com.
Yea, about that orange safety tape issue, i have an old clone troopers rifle that's pretty much painted black, but has a few holes in it so you can see it light up when you press the trigger. It also makes laser sounds, which sound nothing like actual gunshots. Would that make it seem unrealistic enough if i slap orange on the tip?
Aelia actually is part of the Rovers department who had been asked to look over the weapons policy and update it.
she's also been our "peace bonding queen" for several years now, so she- along with our superiors have the final say when it comes to Weapons and prop compliance -
Hey Aelia , estimated time frame of getting the policy posted or linked somewhere on the fanime website or forums?
the one M4A1 toy i had used to light up and play "phaser" sounds as well...(like i said it was a $2 toy) but apparently that was an issue one year, so i made the simple choice of trimming off the trigger and not putting batteries in. They ok'd it, but the following year they said no....then the year after they ok'd it again...i think ive had her peacebond a few of my things, but the one guy who i seemed to remember because he just had common sense as to what was realistic and what wasnt was a guy named "chaos".
Quote from: komozu on April 27, 2010, 10:39:29 PM
Yea, about that orange safety tape issue, i have an old clone troopers rifle that's pretty much painted black, but has a few holes in it so you can see it light up when you press the trigger. It also makes laser sounds, which sound nothing like actual gunshots. Would that make it seem unrealistic enough if i slap orange on the tip?
Jerry; I got that bounced up to those-who-have-the-final-say. I'm hoping it'll be cleared sometime in the next week or so. I'm not sure about the exact time frame.
RE: holes in the tank
Those would be a good choice, actually. If you make it clear to me that it can't be filled, we're just peachy on those.
RE: M4A1
"Khaos" is unfortunately off doing real-life things that are going to keep him from the con. I'll need you to bring it by for me to go over it, but in all likelihood it's going to depend on holster-ability,
Actually, as far as guns in general go, I've been studying up. The rule of thumb I'm going with this year is that if it's a hand-gun it has to be holstered. If it's a "machine gun" sort of thing, I'll need you to carry it attached to your back or something-- in such a way that you can't just sling it around. If it's too big for either of those, I'm going to treat it as a large prop. Just... please be patient with me on this one. I'm trying to learn guns enough that I'm actually consistent and good at that aspect.
thanks that helps!
but the strapping to my back thing:
how will i be able to pose with the gun?
the gun will be used for several cosplays, is there a way where it cant be ziptied to that single cosplay, otherwise ill keep having to revisit you guys almost every costume change and i have about 8-10 costumes that weekend for photoshoots.....i want to make sure the staff will be consistant with that particular prop due to it being my only one because its one that passes all the "requirements"? (i.e i had a situation one year where a rover grabbed my gun and started walking to conops without any explanation, handed the gun to conops and walked away, conops asked "werent you just here?" my response was "the rover didnt believe i checked my gun here")
one particular set of costumes i really dont mind strapping it to my back because it should be.
but is there a way i can unstrap it from my back so i can switch in and out of the different cosplays without cutting the peacebond and having to revisit conops every photoshoot?
the hand gun thing.....always holstered no problem i take it out for photos and it goes right back in the holsters, im not new to responsible cosplay.....
is there a way i can modify it so i can "strap" it to my back when im not taking photos? but be able to unstrap it for photos or when i need to do a cosplay change? its still within your rule of thumb
I wish I could give you clearance on the forums, but I really can't. I am willing to work with you to make the peace-bonding as painless as possible, and do it in such a way that you don't have to come visit us with every costume change.
You want to talk to me specifically (ask Rovers for "Erin" and you'll get me), and you want to come with your prop. I'll be there Thursday evening through Monday... though I doubt you'll wait for Monday to come see me. ;)
As far as people manhandling your props, I'm hoping to avoid that in all shapes and forms this year. Should that happen to anyone, I would like to know about it at-con instead of after. I can't do anything about it now, but had we known at-con, we could have stopped it.
sweet!
ok maybe i can meet you thursday to take of this instead of friday when it gets hectic!
you are a real help and i take back alot of stuff i said about all conops/rovers being abusive, not all but there are a few and i didnt know that i can report them until i came to this forum, the next time i get into a situation which usually once or twice during fanime ill be sure to get a name and con badge number thingy.
ok ill start to modify something for you to check out, thanks again!
Ahh, so I just read through all 10 pages of the thread to make sure there was no official 2010 Weapons Policy List yet, and to see if my question had been answered.
Unfortunately, the one person that needed an answer to the same question I did never got a reply! (I think? Or maybe I happened to pass up the one reply with their answer OTL)
ANYWHOO, does anyone have a general rule of thumb on the maximum height of a prop? I'm in the process of building a scythe and an axe, however I haven't cut/sanded the handles yet and I would like to make sure I don't make anything too tall. (I know AX has a height policy... I don't recall if we've ever had one for Fanime though...?)
I'd also like to know if something like a plastic jug/vase (more specifically, an amphora) would need to be peace bonded? Knowing me I'll probably go and check with the staff anyways, but it would be cool to get some input here too!
Thanks in advance everyone!
Aelia: I e-mailed Rovers and hadn't heard back, which is why I'm asking again here. Has there been any verdict on whether we can bring in multiple weapons to get peace-bonded at once, even if they don't match our current costume? As previously stated, some of us prefer to get it out of the way as soon as possible (my usual tactic involves bringing all of my prop weapons to prereg peacebonding when a con has that, or down the first day otherwise) and it'd be nice to know in advance if that's viable.
Thank you.
Quote from: Charis on May 03, 2010, 07:47:54 AM
Aelia: I e-mailed Rovers and hadn't heard back, which is why I'm asking again here. Has there been any verdict on whether we can bring in multiple weapons to get peace-bonded at once, even if they don't match our current costume? As previously stated, some of us prefer to get it out of the way as soon as possible (my usual tactic involves bringing all of my prop weapons to prereg peacebonding when a con has that, or down the first day otherwise) and it'd be nice to know in advance if that's viable.
Thank you.
Yo! I read the entire thread and have seen this mentioned a couple of times :'3
I think the rule is that you CANNOT get multiple props peace bonded at once, and that the original intention of this rule was to keep random people who didn't have costumes from running around with prop weapons.
Hope that helps!
Yumiko - I'm aware of the rule that's been stated; I was advised to contact Rovers directly asking about it, though, and hadn't heard back subsequently. I appreciate you restating it, but as I said, I'm asking for absolute verification of this from Rovers because it's a new rule and something that a number of cosplayers would like to know for certain about in advance.
id like to know too since im in the same boat, as i said before id hate to have staffers ok it one min and say no another when i have to change in and out of cosplays, its happend to me. Erin ill be there prereg day since youve been helpful so far
To Aelia: Ok I read that the general idea for hand gun props would they would have to be holstered. What if you don't have a holster for it? Also the prop hand gun I am making came out of the mold for it slightly bent and I fully cut off the trigger and trigger guard. It will be painted black with Silver/White text on it and it is 15 inches long. What more do I need to do to it? It would be nice to know so I can finish the prop up and have it all set for the con.
definitely an orange tip, @ aelia: also i know you have to see it but for my rpg will it need an orange tip? ummm, rocket launchers dont have a muzzle its just a tube...and the rpg rocket launcher its made of two 1 liter crystal springs bottles glued together....we definitely should talk when i get there, since you have the final say id rather you take a look at my props since you've been helpful.
Is there an issue with wearing a gun belt, with holsters and bullets, if the bullets have the primers punched out and have no powder? I would NOT be bringing any prop guns, and it would be part of a costume.
Okay, so 22 days away from the con and still no weapon policy? Not much room for error now... already finished everything I need, and now I'm just waiting for the policy to see if my weapon is a go or no-go, although here is a pic so someone may be able to give me a heads up.
(https://forums.fanime.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.atoroaion.com%2Ffanime2010.jpg&hash=3d3f050a1f25902450cdbe3d993b6822540593d0)
No moving parts, orange tip as shown, no trigger even, no internal anything, all a hollow shell. Plus if need be it will be strapped to my back on top of a couple pouches (I'm going as Johnny "Akiba" Sasaki from MGS4) so I wouldn't be able to get to it.
Let me know whether I should even bother bringing it, thank in advance everyone ^_^
look guys, Ive seen toys taken away or asked to be put away because everyones been crazy with guns lately in this nation.
IF U THINK ITS A BAD IDEA TO BRING IT TO THE CON, THEN IT PROBABLY IS.
Be smart about it, its not the weapons that make the cosplayer, its YOU.
This sounds like a stupid question, but I wanted to be sure... ^^'
I want to bring a 5'10" flagpole with a flag as part of my Hetalia cosplay. It's made of metal so that is why I'm not sure if it is allowed.
The full length is 5'10" but it is retractable and I don't plan to make it more than 5'7"-5'8". Do I still have to peace bond it?
Quote from: EJAY420 on May 05, 2010, 01:11:59 PM
look guys, Ive seen toys taken away or asked to be put away because everyones been crazy with guns lately in this nation.
IF U THINK ITS A BAD IDEA TO BRING IT TO THE CON, THEN IT PROBABLY IS.
Be smart about it, its not the weapons that make the cosplayer, its YOU.
argument irrelevant: explain why that one person's cherry blossom branch got peace bonded.
i think part of the rules is that it cant be at anypoint loadable before or after, i do understand that much and i can already tell you that they are gonna say no. My toy guns barely make it through if at all any given year.
Quote from: AtoroAion on May 05, 2010, 01:03:45 PM
Okay, so 22 days away from the con and still no weapon policy? Not much room for error now... already finished everything I need, and now I'm just waiting for the policy to see if my weapon is a go or no-go, although here is a pic so someone may be able to give me a heads up.
(https://forums.fanime.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.atoroaion.com%2Ffanime2010.jpg&hash=3d3f050a1f25902450cdbe3d993b6822540593d0)
No moving parts, orange tip as shown, no trigger even, no internal anything, all a hollow shell. Plus if need be it will be strapped to my back on top of a couple pouches (I'm going as Johnny "Akiba" Sasaki from MGS4) so I wouldn't be able to get to it.
Let me know whether I should even bother bringing it, thank in advance everyone ^_^
i agree.....explain why my 3 inch stuffed fish (plushie) was peace bonded.....and yes props do make the cosplay otherwise your just just everyone else....
Quote from: michiko nakano on May 05, 2010, 07:44:50 PM
Quote from: EJAY420 on May 05, 2010, 01:11:59 PM
look guys, Ive seen toys taken away or asked to be put away because everyones been crazy with guns lately in this nation.
IF U THINK ITS A BAD IDEA TO BRING IT TO THE CON, THEN IT PROBABLY IS.
Be smart about it, its not the weapons that make the cosplayer, its YOU.
argument irrelevant: explain why that one person's cherry blossom branch got peace bonded.
I have a question, would a $1 plastic toy gun with no trigger, no muzzle hole, and insanely colored orange tip has to be peacebonded? For some reason, last year, I had to get it peace bonded, though there was no way you can fire anything. In fact, there was no hole in front. To make matters more interesting, I first asked a rover whether or not I had to peacebond it or not and he said I did not need to because it looks so toyish. However, when I was walking around with it a few minutes later, another rover said I had to peacebond it. Essentially, where is the consistency and what exactly of a prop gun is required to be peacebonded?
Sincerely,
Silent One
Y
Quote from: Silent One on May 07, 2010, 02:46:10 AM
I have a question, would a $1 plastic toy gun with no trigger, no muzzle hole, and insanely colored orange tip has to be peacebonded? For some reason, last year, I had to get it peace bonded, though there was no way you can fire anything. In fact, there was no hole in front. To make matters more interesting, I first asked a rover whether or not I had to peacebond it or not and he said I did not need to because it looks so toyish. However, when I was walking around with it a few minutes later, another rover said I had to peacebond it. Essentially, where is the consistency and what exactly of a prop gun is required to be peacebonded?
Sincerely,
Silent One
Hi silent one,
Yes. All props, weapons, etc that attendees wish to carry arond con and abide by the 2010 weapons policy must be peace bonded.
I do have a copy of the policy but, I can not post it at this very moment as I am posting from my G1 right now.
Once I get home tonight, I'll see about getting the policy up. Sorry for the delay folks.
I understand why people get frustrated about the consistency problems between various rovers' individual opinions on whether certain props should be peacebonded or not, but since there are so many different types of props people want to use, the policy cannot cover each type specifically.
So it's like cops... some will pull you over for going six miles over the speed limit, some won't. Some will give you a ticket for such-and-such, some will just give you a warning. With rule enforcement, broad topics like weapons and traffic laws are so extensive that each rule-enforcer-figure cannot memorize enough information to deal with every imaginable loophole, so they must gain an understanding that is mostly shared by their fellow rule-enforcer-figures, but still reinforced by their individual morals.
Luckily everyone here has the right to email the rovers, which I think is very convenient.
Oh lord. OK, so I think I'm going to attempt to field these;
To be peace-bonded you must be in the costume which matches the props. I realize that there are some people doing fifty billion costume changes. The way I plan on dealing with that is having you do a quick-rotation from one to the next and bonding as I see the set.
Yes, your silly items do need to get tagged because the policy is not just for weapons. It's for any and all props. Most of the silly ones are just getting tagged to verify that you are sure that we won't let you beat someone to death with your fish-plush. (Though it would be really funny to see). We will not be peace-bonding people this year, no matter how much you insist that your fists are weapons of mass destruction. It's been an issue in the past.
All guns must be holstered, or attached to your costume in some way. The only exception to this is when the gun is so obviously huge or so impossible to attach that it cannot be attached in any way shape or form. This doesn't mean those pseudo-semi-auto-machine-esque-things... those I want to attach to you in some way. If you don't have a holster, I actually am thinking very seriously about having some felt to make temporary holsters out of. At this point, I'm not sure.
RE: Flagpole uhh... yes, that would have to be peace bonded. Is it light aluminum, or something heavier than that?
Loner: I want to say that I would let you carry that strapped to your back. I need to check with a few people though.
Runewitt It's hard to say. Do you have a picture of what we're talking about?
We are trying to be more consistent, and in an effort to do so, I've spelled out some very exacting rules for my Rovers, and everything which is not clearly defined is getting bounced to shift-leads for their evaluation.
@aelia
the rocket launchers wont be able to strap onto my back its gonna break if i do that...its litterally glued with hot glue and made out of home made materials, i mean they have been breaking the past weeks after ive made them, just due to storage, i wont even paint the glued parts just so it wont look realistic (as if it looked real to begin with). one is about 4 feet pvc made with 2 bottles as a tip and the other is about 3 feet made out of 3 inch diameter cardboard tube and a camcorder screen glued to the side, me and someone else will use these as part of the same cosplay 1 rocket launcher each. Ive spent so much time on these because i understood the regulations....none firing, VERY VERY delicate and very very fake looking...
Aelia, i'll get a picture of them tonight, but they are your basic cowboy western holsters on a gun belt, with ammo around the back, but it's all dummy ammo, no primer and no charge inside the casing.
Just checking but normal in-line skates can be worn outside the convention doors right? Near the grass and fountain? Just wanting to make sure I understand completely :)
Quote from: AnimeFans4Yaoi on May 08, 2010, 05:12:47 PM
Just checking but normal in-line skates can be worn outside the convention doors right? Near the grass and fountain? Just wanting to make sure I understand completely :)
Yes they can just not indoors.
I just wanted to take a moment to thank all of the Con Ops, Rovers, and Fanime staff that have come on this thread and tried to help solve problems, answer question and give advice to the many posts from the cosplayers.
I also want to thank all the cosplayers for their patients and understanding while waiting for answers to thier questions.
I hope this thread has been helpful for the most part.
Super Squidges
BSaphire
Quote from: deonchan on May 09, 2010, 01:00:26 AM
Quote from: AnimeFans4Yaoi on May 08, 2010, 05:12:47 PM
Just checking but normal in-line skates can be worn outside the convention doors right? Near the grass and fountain? Just wanting to make sure I understand completely :)
Yes they can just not indoors.
Thank you :)
just leave the props at home. enough said.
Quote from: EJAY420 on May 09, 2010, 11:55:49 AM
just leave the props at home. enough said.
Oh be quiet, people work really hard on props and a lot of people really appreciate seeing complete cosplays. Plus the con staff have gone to the trouble of making all these policies and training their staff members to accomodate peoples' prop tendencies, so just be grateful to the con ops for their trouble and appreciative of cosplayers who do a lot to have good props.
bitter much? i thought i was trolling...anywhooooo....
so i just wanna make sure that rovers cannot grab a cosplayers prop on the con floor right? they are to be examined with care at the peacebonding stations right? (its happend to me just wanna double check again)
Quote from: EJAY420 on May 09, 2010, 11:55:49 AM
just leave the props at home. enough said.
Quote from: loner on May 09, 2010, 07:34:54 PM
bitter much? i thought i was trolling...anywhooooo....
so i just wanna make sure that rovers cannot grab a cosplayers prop on the con floor right? they are to be examined with care at the peacebonding stations right? (its happend to me just wanna double check again)
Quote from: EJAY420 on May 09, 2010, 11:55:49 AM
just leave the props at home. enough said.
Well, if it at all helps, the one time I was approached, my prop was not touched. I was just told to take it to a certain room, and from there, they checked it over and made sure it wasn't live steel, etc. Bear in mind this was 2005, however.
I would -think- that barring the fact of being in the middle of doing stupid things, your props would not be handled by anyone other than you until you went to a station to be peacebonded.
Quote from: loner on May 09, 2010, 07:34:54 PM
bitter much? i thought i was trolling...anywhooooo....
so i just wanna make sure that rovers cannot grab a cosplayers prop on the con floor right? they are to be examined with care at the peacebonding stations right? (its happend to me just wanna double check again)
Quote from: EJAY420 on May 09, 2010, 11:55:49 AM
just leave the props at home. enough said.
Loner, you are correct Rovers are not to just snatch props out of cosplayers hands and that is unacceptable. There are some times where rovers will need to physically inspect a prop of course but that'll be a peace bonder or manager and they'll ask you to hand the prop to them. Now if a prop or weapon is being used in a blatant dangerous manner, well that's a different story.
I just came from conops and peacebonded my gun, went out towards hilton side but stopped to pose....rover looked at me up and down and took my weapon mid picture and walked away, i followed him and asked him what was going on and he said "just follow me" so we ended up walking all the way back to peacebonding station which was at the marriot side and the whole way there he didnt give me back my gun or even speak to me....peacebonders asked why i came back after being there a few minutes earlier and i told them the rover didnt believe i was JUST here even when the whole walk back he noticed the peacebond ziptie already, i pointed him out as he quietly tried to exit the room....they told me that was strange and sent me on my merry way. Like i said im not a irresponsible cosplayer, the worst i ever did was carmel dance in a master chief cosplay....lol not fun....but despite his rudeness i complied and didnt argue, i just thought it was aweful how that was handled...sfpd didnt even do that to me at JTAF2 they asked to see my toys, they didnt just grab it without explaination.
Quote from: Dany on May 09, 2010, 08:04:44 PM
Quote from: loner on May 09, 2010, 07:34:54 PM
bitter much? i thought i was trolling...anywhooooo....
so i just wanna make sure that rovers cannot grab a cosplayers prop on the con floor right? they are to be examined with care at the peacebonding stations right? (its happend to me just wanna double check again)
Quote from: EJAY420 on May 09, 2010, 11:55:49 AM
just leave the props at home. enough said.
Well, if it at all helps, the one time I was approached, my prop was not touched. I was just told to take it to a certain room, and from there, they checked it over and made sure it wasn't live steel, etc. Bear in mind this was 2005, however.
I would -think- that barring the fact of being in the middle of doing stupid things, your props would not be handled by anyone other than you until you went to a station to be peacebonded.
Gun Belt
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/Thebi/DSCF0653.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/Thebi/DSCF0654.jpg
as you can see, there is no way the ammo could be fired, even if i had a gun, the only thing i'm worried about is that that fact will be hard to see unless you are looking dirrectly down at the bullets, and i may be wearing a duster,(long trenchcoat) that would hide them part of the time.
Loner, I think I might remember something about that. If it happens again, I'll have words to say to that rover. (We always mean well, but sometimes we have some rovers who are overzealous)
Runewitt; I'd like to say that the belt is OK. I would just throw a tag on it to mark that you had agreed to not be an idiot and wave it around and try to beat people with your belt...
We've posted the 2010 weapons policy. (http://forums.fanime.com/index.php/topic,14106.0.html)
Aelia: LOL no way would i wave that around and hit people with it, it's worth almost as mucha as my first car was.
I have a staff which I carried at the Cherry Blossom Festival this year. Is this alright? Photo of it: http://bekalou.deviantart.com/art/Syaoran-A-New-Journey-162009301
Clarification question regarding the "swords will be peacebonded into their scabbards" segment of policy. If one has a (wooden) sword that cannot effectively be locked into its scabbard, what would Rovers do? For example, a katana scabbard without the saego knot lacks anything which the ziptie could be fixed to; the same holds true even into Western swords -- and in many times, attempting to secure the sword into the scabbard or sheath would damage it.
I'd rather ask now and simply leave those weapons to outside of con centre only, much as it pains me, than have to worry about potential damage.
Wooden swords do not have to be peacebonded into the scabbard. We prefer at least attaching the sword to your hip though. (Having discussed it, we've decided that a boken can do a lot more damage than the wooden swords most people carry, so it's cool if you can draw a wooden sword)
And for bekalou- you'd have to get it tagged, but it's OK to carry and would not have to be attached. ;) (I think I recognize you from previous years?)
Quote from: AtoroAion on May 05, 2010, 01:03:45 PM
Okay, so 22 days away from the con and still no weapon policy? Not much room for error now... already finished everything I need, and now I'm just waiting for the policy to see if my weapon is a go or no-go, although here is a pic so someone may be able to give me a heads up.
(https://forums.fanime.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.atoroaion.com%2Ffanime2010.jpg&hash=3d3f050a1f25902450cdbe3d993b6822540593d0)
No moving parts, orange tip as shown, no trigger even, no internal anything, all a hollow shell. Plus if need be it will be strapped to my back on top of a couple pouches (I'm going as Johnny "Akiba" Sasaki from MGS4) so I wouldn't be able to get to it.
Let me know whether I should even bother bringing it, thank in advance everyone ^_^
So, I've discussed this with a few people, and the general comment was "It's a replica", which does mean you cannot carry it. :\
Quote from: Aelia on May 11, 2010, 08:53:47 AMWooden swords do not have to be peacebonded into the scabbard. We prefer at least attaching the sword to your hip though. (Having discussed it, we've decided that a boken can do a lot more damage than the wooden swords most people carry, so it's cool if you can draw a wooden sword)
Thank you for clarifying that -- it was difficult to be sure with how things were phrased in the policy. (I'm still going to be worried about potential damage to my sword, but hopefully Rovers will be accommodating about not putting the ties too tightly. :) )
They are under orders to not damage anything or else, so if you're worried, you can either come to me personally (as said to others, ask for Erin) or hover protectively and threaten to drag them to me should they mess your stuff up. ;)
I'll look at the weapons policy and see what I can do to make the wooden sword thing clearer.
I like the
or else in there. I'll probably just do protective mommy-hovering, but keep that offer in mind. ^_^ Thanks again, and for all of your help and patience in this thread.
BTW: is there a specific e-mail address people can address questions about otherwise disallowed weapons for Masquerade, or is it the standard
[email protected] one?
Quote from: Charis on May 11, 2010, 11:16:36 AM
I like the or else in there. I'll probably just do protective mommy-hovering, but keep that offer in mind. ^_^ Thanks again, and for all of your help and patience in this thread.
BTW: is there a specific e-mail address people can address questions about otherwise disallowed weapons for Masquerade, or is it the standard [email protected] one?
It's the rovers@fanime email address. All rovers managers will see emails sent to there and you'll get a reply from someone shortly.
your doing an awesome job helping us aelia!
Which is good, makes my job easier (I.E. I don't have to do it!) ;D
Quote from: Steve.Young on May 11, 2010, 02:30:20 PM
Which is good, makes my job easier (I.E. I don't have to do it!) ;D
+1
;D
I don't know if I should be pointing this out but... Reading through the whole "your character must be published" and you must have a url thing, couldn't someone say "Oh well my original character IS published" and show a link to DA or something? That confused me...
Also, I know things that are metal are tricky and under scrutiny, but would metal spurs count? I mentioned it earlier (and stupidly haven't emailed rovers) but figured they weren't allowed. (Since it's for an original character, that's doubly why I felt that above part was important.)
(Don't hate me for asking stupid questions plz! :-[ T^T)
I'm sure you've heard that "no question is stupid" which is true, unless your question is stupid. Yours, however, is not actually stupid. They're good questions, so don't stress. ;)
DA would count. We want you to have put thought into your character before the convention, to dissuade people wandering around in fangirl or fanboy clothes with weapons "just 'cause", and by having a character that has been "published" on DA pre-con, it proves it's something you've actually taken time to create.
Metal Spurs fall into that grey area between clothing and props. I'd be ok with you wearing them as long as they stay on your feet and aren't damaging the floor.
Quote from: Aelia on May 11, 2010, 04:38:38 PM
I'm sure you've heard that "no question is stupid" which is true, unless your question is stupid. Yours, however, is not actually stupid. They're good questions, so don't stress. ;)
DA would count. We want you to have put thought into your character before the convention, to dissuade people wandering around in fangirl or fanboy clothes with weapons "just 'cause", and by having a character that has been "published" on DA pre-con, it proves it's something you've actually taken time to create.
Metal Spurs fall into that grey area between clothing and props. I'd be ok with you wearing them as long as they stay on your feet and aren't damaging the floor.
Thank you very much! :D
Quote from: Aelia on May 11, 2010, 08:57:48 AM
Quote from: AtoroAion on May 05, 2010, 01:03:45 PM
Okay, so 22 days away from the con and still no weapon policy? Not much room for error now... already finished everything I need, and now I'm just waiting for the policy to see if my weapon is a go or no-go, although here is a pic so someone may be able to give me a heads up.
(https://forums.fanime.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.atoroaion.com%2Ffanime2010.jpg&hash=3d3f050a1f25902450cdbe3d993b6822540593d0)
No moving parts, orange tip as shown, no trigger even, no internal anything, all a hollow shell. Plus if need be it will be strapped to my back on top of a couple pouches (I'm going as Johnny "Akiba" Sasaki from MGS4) so I wouldn't be able to get to it.
Let me know whether I should even bother bringing it, thank in advance everyone ^_^
Wait a min! Thats the exact gun my friend brought last fanime, just bring it. My friend just got his gun yellow zip tie. Which is peace bonding I think. He couldn't bear without his prop with his cosplay so it work out.
Quote from: bsan89 on May 11, 2010, 07:17:03 PM
Quote from: Aelia on May 11, 2010, 08:57:48 AM
Quote from: AtoroAion on May 05, 2010, 01:03:45 PM
Okay, so 22 days away from the con and still no weapon policy? Not much room for error now... already finished everything I need, and now I'm just waiting for the policy to see if my weapon is a go or no-go, although here is a pic so someone may be able to give me a heads up.
(https://forums.fanime.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.atoroaion.com%2Ffanime2010.jpg&hash=3d3f050a1f25902450cdbe3d993b6822540593d0)
No moving parts, orange tip as shown, no trigger even, no internal anything, all a hollow shell. Plus if need be it will be strapped to my back on top of a couple pouches (I'm going as Johnny "Akiba" Sasaki from MGS4) so I wouldn't be able to get to it.
Let me know whether I should even bother bringing it, thank in advance everyone ^_^
Wait a min! Thats the exact gun my friend brought last fanime, just bring it. My friend just got his gun yellow zip tie. Which is peace bonding I think. He couldn't bear without his prop with his cosplay so it work out.
Per this years policy (http://forums.fanime.com/index.php/topic,14106.0.html)....
Quote• This was OK last year, what about now?
We change rules yearly. This means that what was ok last year may not be allowed this year. Most especially, we're going to be changing rules on Guns and Gun-like weapons.
Rover's mgmt has already made the call. It's not allowed. Sorry. :-[
BSan89~ While we may have let your friend carry that gun last year, it will not be carried this year.
AtoroAion~ I'll be at-con Thursday through Monday. I'd rather you not bring your gun, as a unanimous ruling was made. Should you want to contest it, you can see me there.
Oh ok, oh well.
What about:
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I plan to paint it like
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What if I left the tip ORANGE?
How can I get this approve?
General consensus (aside from the fact that your images are too large and are breaking the frames) is that the first gun is fine if it is peace-bonded so it may not be shot. The second gun (even with an orange tip) is too realistically painted and looks too much like an assault rifle derivative.
Question: I sent an email with the props that we currently have..the initial email I received back from Rovers when we were in the planning stages of building (that had what materials they would be made of, etc. as well as reference photos), they stated that the props should be fine pending final inspection and peacebonding would be required (not a problem as everything we build has a holster of some form that should be able to be ziptied, particularly if said ziptie is on the longer side).
I sent the photo of the finished product but have yet to see a response. I don't -think- anything has changed but how long should I wait before I follow up? I don't want to be a nag, but it would be nice to know what we're in for, especially since they are part of our Masquerade entries ;)
As long as you are at Masquerade, your weapon does not have to be peace-bonded. When you return to the convention center from Masquerade, if you want to carry your props, it must be peace-bonded.
Please send the picture again.
@aelia
ill be cosplaying thursday as i dont know what so far (9 cosplays to choose from), but if there is a prop to whatever i decide i just wanna know what time you will be there and if rover's will be set up for me to ask for you?
After reading the rules for gun props I just have two questions. If it is peace-bonded into your holster how do you pose with it for photos? Dose that not defeat the whole reason to bring it in the first place?
Quote from: Aelia on May 11, 2010, 08:53:47 AM
Wooden swords do not have to be peacebonded into the scabbard. We prefer at least attaching the sword to your hip though. (Having discussed it, we've decided that a boken can do a lot more damage than the wooden swords most people carry, so it's cool if you can draw a wooden sword)
And for bekalou- you'd have to get it tagged, but it's OK to carry and would not have to be attached. ;) (I think I recognize you from previous years?)
Question about this peace bonding scabbards to belts....
Isn't this a potential health issue and possible safety hazard?
If I have to peace bond a wooden sword (not bokken) in a plastic sheath to my hakama, and I need to visit the bathroom? Or I want to sit down to eat or watch a panel--it's much easier and more comfortable to remove the sword/scabbard while sitting. So will I have to have something with me to cut the peacebonding off...then go back again to get it peacebonded to my hakama ties after I'm done?
Also, what if there was an emergency and people needed to evacuate while we have props that are peacebonded to us or our clothing?
All I'm asking for is please use common sense for us. I'd rather the rovers were out there watching for people acting inappropriately so those of us behaving can have a good time.
good point!
i was in this situation when my plastic gun was peacebonded to my body armour and the only way for me to sit was to take off half my cosplay just to sit, as a result my gun cracked....
I would think having a separate belt may be your only option in those cases..something that would go with the costume. I'm going to have to wear two belts to take care of my stuff, but if I need to go to the restroom, I can remove the belts and give them to my husband to hold until I get back. If I'm alone...well, I may end up taking a risk and hanging them on the stall door. Point is, if you know now you will likely have something that needs to be peacebonded to you, you've got a little time to find some way to do so without inhibiting your routine.
at the time it was a "new rule" made up that year without notice, same gun used the previous year that was ok'd. This year i added velcro to the gun and the back of the armour/vests, so that way i can use it for my other cosplays and not have to go to peacebonding station every costume change.
Quote from: Dany on May 13, 2010, 08:01:40 AM
I would think having a separate belt may be your only option in those cases..something that would go with the costume. I'm going to have to wear two belts to take care of my stuff, but if I need to go to the restroom, I can remove the belts and give them to my husband to hold until I get back. If I'm alone...well, I may end up taking a risk and hanging them on the stall door. Point is, if you know now you will likely have something that needs to be peacebonded to you, you've got a little time to find some way to do so without inhibiting your routine.
As I'm sure you've all heard at least once, "common sense" is not so common. Unfortunately, there are never enough Rovers, and there are an awful lot of jerks out there who are more than happy to duel on the concourse if we don't stop them.
As far as the "It's hard to sit/stand/use the bathroom with a sword attached", we've actually addressed this. As long as your sword is not metal it will simply be peace-bonded this year. This "common sense" which you've cited does apply to this year's weapons policy. I took into consideration the things you guys so happily called "stupid" (some of which I actually agreed with) and the end result is that as long as your sword is less destructive than a bokken, it does not have to be attached to you. Should you try to come with a metal sword which is not sharp, and cannot take a good edge, I will peace-tie it into the scabbard (this is pretty standard costuming policy, really) and I will expect you to keep it on a belt. This is in the weapons policy which deonchan so helpfully posted. (http://forums.fanime.com/index.php/topic,14106.0.html)
As far as posing with guns in holsters, well... holstered is the safest way we could come up with to allow you to carry guns. If (and this is a big if) you guys can go this whole con without a single stupid-gun incident (at least from those of you who have bothered to get peace-bonded) I will go to bat for you and try to get the gun rules loosened a bit. This does not mean that the rule will (for sure) be modified or revoked, but it does mean that I will talk to the appropriate beings on your behalf. Having an entire convention go by without a single gun brandishment issue will go a long way for you guys. So, if I hear of someone who's got a peace-bonded gun which should be in a holster and isn't, well, I will frown at you, and I will not fight for you for next year. Tough it out guys, figure out ways to either put your hand on your holstered gun to look intimidating, or come up with an intelligent compromise for me to suggest for 2011. (Emphasis on intelligent, as I do not listen to whiners.)
And Loner, I should be at-con around 3-4 pm. It might be earlier. I will try to be sure I'm ready to peace-bond you by 4pm at the latest.
ok sweet aelia! ill cosplay something that wont have props till then, and thank you for compromising with us this year. i do know there are morons out there that run around with props that act like they have never been let out the house before...but ill speak with the groups im cosplaying with and let them know what your gonna do with the gun policy if we successfully pull off a proper con without incident, i wont act as rover because im not but im glad to see that even this year that the weapons policy isnt as bad as the last few years....i just wish more people would cosplay properly rather than act like animals :/
Quote from: Aelia on May 13, 2010, 10:10:14 AM
As I'm sure you've all heard at least once, "common sense" is not so common. Unfortunately, there are never enough Rovers, and there are an awful lot of jerks out there who are more than happy to duel on the concourse if we don't stop them.
As far as the "It's hard to sit/stand/use the bathroom with a sword attached", we've actually addressed this. As long as your sword is not metal it will simply be peace-bonded this year. This "common sense" which you've cited does apply to this year's weapons policy. I took into consideration the things you guys so happily called "stupid" (some of which I actually agreed with) and the end result is that as long as your sword is less destructive than a bokken, it does not have to be attached to you. Should you try to come with a metal sword which is not sharp, and cannot take a good edge, I will peace-tie it into the scabbard (this is pretty standard costuming policy, really) and I will expect you to keep it on a belt. This is in the weapons policy which deonchan so helpfully posted. (http://forums.fanime.com/index.php/topic,14106.0.html)
As far as posing with guns in holsters, well... holstered is the safest way we could come up with to allow you to carry guns. If (and this is a big if) you guys can go this whole con without a single stupid-gun incident (at least from those of you who have bothered to get peace-bonded) I will go to bat for you and try to get the gun rules loosened a bit. This does not mean that the rule will (for sure) be modified or revoked, but it does mean that I will talk to the appropriate beings on your behalf. Having an entire convention go by without a single gun brandishment issue will go a long way for you guys. So, if I hear of someone who's got a peace-bonded gun which should be in a holster and isn't, well, I will frown at you, and I will not fight for you for next year. Tough it out guys, figure out ways to either put your hand on your holstered gun to look intimidating, or come up with an intelligent compromise for me to suggest for 2011. (Emphasis on intelligent, as I do not listen to whiners.)
And Loner, I should be at-con around 3-4 pm. It might be earlier. I will try to be sure I'm ready to peace-bond you by 4pm at the latest.
Quote from: loner on May 13, 2010, 11:45:09 AM
ok sweet aelia! ill cosplay something that wont have props till then, and thank you for compromising with us this year. i do know there are morons out there that run around with props that act like they have never been let out the house before...but ill speak with the groups im cosplaying with and let them know what your gonna do with the gun policy if we successfully pull off a proper con without incident, i wont act as rover because im not but im glad to see that even this year that the weapons policy isnt as bad as the last few years....i just wish more people would cosplay properly rather than act like animals :/
I really don't expect you to police people, that is what Rovers are there for. If you mention to them that behaving this year will work in their favor, that's enough.
There's not necessarily a whole lot I can do about guns, Airsoft will always be banned, Replicas will always be banned, and Real guns (obviously) will always be banned. I would still have to convince other people (my boss-type-people) that I wasn't crazy because of whatever I suggested, and they would still have to agree with it. But as I said, a gun-incident-free con would go a long way toward your cause. If you guys can do it, I'd be willing to try. (And I will be scrutinizing weapons incidents carefully to see if different policies could have prevented them).
Let me get this right. If there are very few if any gun issues there will be talk of no peace-bonding to holsters for next year? Ok. I just wish I knew this sooner because I have spent a lot of money building nice looking props and now I won't be able to bring them this year. Also so there are not so many arguements and questions next year would it be possible if you post this years rules and regulations on next years site until you work out the final rules for next years con. Also are you saying if you hear about very few issues with gun props or any at all or what? Also a friend of mine plans on going as Riku from Kingdom Hearts. What are you going to do about the Key Blades. The two my friend brings are wooden.
Quote from: dark-lord-of-sith on May 13, 2010, 01:24:53 PM
Let me get this right. If there are very few if any gun issues there will be talk of no peace-bonding to holsters for next year? Ok. I just wish I knew this sooner because I have spent a lot of money building nice looking props and now I won't be able to bring them this year. Also so there are not so many arguements and questions next year would it be possible if you post this years rules and regulations on next years site until you work out the final rules for next years con. Also are you saying if you hear about very few issues with gun props or any at all or what? Also a friend of mine plans on going as Riku from Kingdom Hearts. What are you going to do about the Key Blades. The two my friend brings are wooden.
Key Blades have always been allowed as long as they are not metal...
Wooden Keyblades have always been and will continue to be OK. They will be peace-bonded only to mark that they are OK to carry, and that their owner agrees to the rules.
Please take/post/message me pictures of your guns. If I can see them pre-con, I can help you out. You will need a holster if they are hand-guns. It does not have to be a fancy holster, it just has to be
a holster.
It could be possible to post this year's weapon's policy, but it will not necessarily remain unchanged. That's part of why the 2009 policy was not up; a lot changed for the 2010 policy. The 2011 policy could be even more different.
To clarify: There will only be talk if there are
no gun issues, even a "few" will be too many. It will not necessarily be the holster rule, and it will definitely not be the orange-tip rule. This is not a promise that something will necessarily change. What I have said is that I will talk to the necessary superiors about loosening up a bit. The reason I say guns and not swords is because we did loosen up on swords this year.
And, dark-lord-of-sith, to address several of your older messages; "by fans for fans" means that we are not paid, and we have to do things in our free time. Free time can be at a premium for many of our staffers, as a lot of them are adults with full-time jobs. You could have had help if you had sent an email to
[email protected], as was suggested many times throughout the thread.
Just wondering if my bow is harmless enough. Don't really want to lug it all the way from home and having to leave it in the hotel room. The structure's made of a flexible plastic strip and thin wooden rod, tied down with cheap brown rope to give it the bow shape. The frame is made of cardboard, index cards, and colored duct tape.
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Your bow looks good. Do you have arrows to go with it?
Quote from: dark-lord-of-sith on March 23, 2010, 07:21:57 PM
Ok I have read through every single post here so far and my question has not been answered and I am sure someone will tell me to email a higher-up my question but I feel the need to post it here first. This year I plan to cosplay as Alucard from Hellsing. As fans know Alucard has two oversized hand guns. I am working on making props with no moving parts. I also don't want to put on orange covers on the ends of them. My props will be made out of a resin and painted and sanded down so they look good. Because of the length of them I don't think one would suspect them of being real. However I know in years past for prop guns you have had to have the orange coverings on prop guns. If you would look at this http://Seraphim-Sephiroth.deviantart.com/art/Hellsing-Leather-Bound-123969481 a photo from last years con she did not have the orange tips. Please could someone get back to me on what I should do. My gun props will look like the ones in the link.
This was just brought to my attention. We will not be deviating from the orange tip portion of the policy this year at all.
I have a question about the wording from the gun peacebonding rules.
"Items which are too large to be holstered may be dealt with in another way." What does this entail?
Quote from: Aelia on May 14, 2010, 09:08:08 AM
Your bow looks good. Do you have arrows to go with it?
Thanks.
Yes, my arrows are also made from wooden rods with rubber pencil eraser and foam sheet for the tip. :o
Im dressing up as Winry Rockbell from Fullmetal Alchemist....can i bring a normal size wrentch or should i just make it out of cardboard and tape?? LOL
Quote from: Avairrianna on May 14, 2010, 01:52:40 PM
I have a question about the wording from the gun peacebonding rules.
"Items which are too large to be holstered may be dealt with in another way." What does this entail?
Depends on how large of a prop we're talking about. Did you have a specific prop in mind??
Quote from: Wyte on May 14, 2010, 08:17:13 PM
Im dressing up as Winry Rockbell from Fullmetal Alchemist....can i bring a normal size wrentch or should i just make it out of cardboard and tape?? LOL
It would be better to make it out of cardboard and duct tape.
Quote from: rislim on May 14, 2010, 05:16:16 PM
Yes, my arrows are also made from wooden rods with rubber pencil eraser and foam sheet for the tip. :o
Your arrows sound OK, too.
I'm cosplaying as Hungary from APH and I was wondering if frying pans were allowed??
Aella, um... My prop gun that I would be bringing is a hand gun prop that is fifteen inches long. Here is a few links with photos of it. http://dark-lord-of-sith.deviantart.com/art/hellsing-Jackal-prop-cast-3-164153873 http://Dark-Lord-of-Sith.deviantart.com/art/Hellsing-Jackal-prop-cast-2-164153735 http://Dark-Lord-of-Sith.deviantart.com/art/Hellsing-Jackal-prop-cast-1-164153603 ... I would be using a simple sword holster for it if you need it in a holster. Also if you want to see photos of it in the holster so you have an idea of what that would look like I will gladly do that. All I really have to do to the gun is the paint job. It will be all black with an orange tip. Just tell me how long the tip needs to be so I can paint it the right size.
I have a question!
Im currently working on a scythe for my Stein Cosplay from Soul Eater. The blade is Foam Board but i was wondering about the staff part of the Scythe I want it to be sturdy could I use a medel pipe from the hardware store and if not is there a different materieal thets really sturdy and not totally flimsy i could use?
Quote from: ClowCole09 on May 15, 2010, 09:14:41 PM
I have a question!
Im currently working on a scythe for my Stein Cosplay from Soul Eater. The blade is Foam Board but i was wondering about the staff part of the Scythe I want it to be sturdy could I use a medel pipe from the hardware store and if not is there a different materieal thets really sturdy and not totally flimsy i could use?
You want PVC pipe for your scythe. It's light, just as sturdy as metal, and much more likely to get accepted by the rovers as it's just plastic. ^^ Plus you can cut it with a hacksaw to exactly the size you need, and you can drill into it if you need to. Look in the plumbing section of the hardware store.
HI! so my question is: will they except a weapon/prop thats just a smidge over 8 ft tall (which is the max height according to the policy)? my lance for my neliel is literally 8'3"...
Quote from: azreale on May 16, 2010, 04:19:21 PM
HI! so my question is: will they except a weapon/prop thats just a smidge over 8 ft tall (which is the max height according to the policy)? my lance for my neliel is literally 8'3"...
The height limit for props is 7'
Quote from: deonchan on May 16, 2010, 07:27:50 PM
Quote from: azreale on May 16, 2010, 04:19:21 PM
HI! so my question is: will they except a weapon/prop thats just a smidge over 8 ft tall (which is the max height according to the policy)? my lance for my neliel is literally 8'3"...
The height limit for props is 7'
Um in the rules it says 8'. "Items larger than 8 feet long (in its longest dimension) are prohibited." That can be found in the last line of "Prohibited Weapons & Props" on the "Fanime 2010 Peace-Bonding, Props & Weapons Policy"...
I have no clue on how strict they will be on this rule so good luck with it.
Quote from: dark-lord-of-sith on May 16, 2010, 07:35:02 PM
Quote from: deonchan on May 16, 2010, 07:27:50 PM
Quote from: azreale on May 16, 2010, 04:19:21 PM
HI! so my question is: will they except a weapon/prop thats just a smidge over 8 ft tall (which is the max height according to the policy)? my lance for my neliel is literally 8'3"...
The height limit for props is 7'
Um in the rules it says 8'. "Items larger than 8 feet long (in its longest dimension) are prohibited." That can be found in the last line of "Prohibited Weapons & Props" on the "Fanime 2010 Peace-Bonding, Props & Weapons Policy"...
I have no clue on how strict they will be on this rule so good luck with it.
ok... so which is it? 8 or 7'???? AHH so confused...
Quote from: dark-lord-of-sith on May 16, 2010, 07:35:02 PM
Quote from: deonchan on May 16, 2010, 07:27:50 PM
Quote from: azreale on May 16, 2010, 04:19:21 PM
HI! so my question is: will they except a weapon/prop thats just a smidge over 8 ft tall (which is the max height according to the policy)? my lance for my neliel is literally 8'3"...
The height limit for props is 7'
Um in the rules it says 8'. "Items larger than 8 feet long (in its longest dimension) are prohibited." That can be found in the last line of "Prohibited Weapons & Props" on the "Fanime 2010 Peace-Bonding, Props & Weapons Policy"...
I have no clue on how strict they will be on this rule so good luck with it.
whoops! Wrong con and policy :-[ ;D
I stand corrected it is 8'
I'm really, really sorry if this question has already been answered since I'm really not willing to read through 14 pages of this. >.>;
Will Hibari's Tonfa be allowed? Kinda like this: http://www.cosplayhouse.com/Katekyo-Hitman-Reborn-Cosplay-Accessories-Kyoua-Hibari-Tofna-Version-2.html
They're hollow and light... >.> And blunt. Utterly and totally blunt. =_=;
Quote from: deonchan on May 16, 2010, 08:05:58 PM
Quote from: dark-lord-of-sith on May 16, 2010, 07:35:02 PM
Quote from: deonchan on May 16, 2010, 07:27:50 PM
Quote from: azreale on May 16, 2010, 04:19:21 PM
HI! so my question is: will they except a weapon/prop thats just a smidge over 8 ft tall (which is the max height according to the policy)? my lance for my neliel is literally 8'3"...
The height limit for props is 7'
Um in the rules it says 8'. "Items larger than 8 feet long (in its longest dimension) are prohibited." That can be found in the last line of "Prohibited Weapons & Props" on the "Fanime 2010 Peace-Bonding, Props & Weapons Policy"...
I have no clue on how strict they will be on this rule so good luck with it.
whoops! Wrong con and policy :-[ ;D
I stand corrected it is 8'
alright then am i ok w/ 8'3" or do i need to shave a few inches off? thanks for all your help by the way guys!
Quote from: Hibari_Fangirl on May 16, 2010, 10:22:23 PM
I'm really, really sorry if this question has already been answered since I'm really not willing to read through 14 pages of this. >.>;
Will Hibari's Tonfa be allowed? Kinda like this: http://www.cosplayhouse.com/Katekyo-Hitman-Reborn-Cosplay-Accessories-Kyoua-Hibari-Tofna-Version-2.html
They're hollow and light... >.> And blunt. Utterly and totally blunt. =_=;
Sorry no. (and I double checked this one :P )
Miscellaneous Items which are not permitted include but are not limited to: lasers, laser pointers, metal baseball bats, sai,
tonfa , metal kunai, and yaoi/yuri paddles. Solicitous signs (including "Hug Me" signs) are not permitted. Items larger than 8 feet long (in its longest dimension) are prohibited.
Oh... :-\ Well, thank you very much for your help though! ;D
see if you can papercraft the tonfas?
or you can use an old cardboard roll from a paper towel roll and a toilet paper roll? combine and BOOM! instant cardboard tonfas....that is if they still count under prohibited?
Quick Question: Those metal fans you can buy in the dealer's hall are not permissible to carry around/are not eligible for peacebonding correct?
Last question out of me..seems so common sense, but with talk of possibly peacebonding plushies and such I figured I'd check.
For my Sunday costume, I plan to carry a harp. It's a small harp, probably a foot and a half tall, made of wood and fully functional.. as in yes, I could play it, so long as it stays tuned (it's very new so it has problems with that right now). Here's a photo of it:
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Thoughts on if it will need peacebonding? It's certainly not a weapon, but it does qualify in the prop department.
Two things going against me in the bonding department:
1. Costume has very little to it to attach to me (see icon, that's the character). No belts, no hooks, just a velvet dress and a zentai bodysuit.
2. Prop is a functional instrument. Makes me a little nervous about zipties on it.
I have a carrying case for when I'm not actively posing with it..just a black canvas bag with a handle, so if I'm just walking from one place to another it would likely go in there because that's where it's safest. As for when I'm sitting/posing, an option that I thought would work would be to tie a ribbon or cord between my wrist and the back of the harp, just above the soundbox (if you're looking at the photo, that's the part on the left) as that part would be facing me.
Quote from: kannazuki on May 15, 2010, 12:54:37 PM
I'm cosplaying as Hungary from APH and I was wondering if frying pans were allowed??
Frying pans fall under "mundane, every day items which we are not really worried about, but would like to put a tag on just to establish that you do in fact understand our prop rules"
Quote from: Hibari_Fangirl on May 16, 2010, 10:22:23 PM
I'm really, really sorry if this question has already been answered since I'm really not willing to read through 14 pages of this. >.>;
Will Hibari's Tonfa be allowed? Kinda like this: http://www.cosplayhouse.com/Katekyo-Hitman-Reborn-Cosplay-Accessories-Kyoua-Hibari-Tofna-Version-2.html
They're hollow and light... >.> And blunt. Utterly and totally blunt. =_=;
Those are "tonfa" and are on the explicitly not-allowed list. This is regardless of what material they are made out of, unfortunately. (Even if it was a paper towel tube with a toilet-paper-tube-handle)
Quote from: fanime weapons policyThe effectiveness of the prop or the skill of the person in possession of the prop is irrelevant when determining whether the prop may be carried.
Quote from: Somebody on May 17, 2010, 06:32:19 AM
Quick Question: Those metal fans you can buy in the dealer's hall are not permissible to carry around/are not eligible for peacebonding correct?
Correct. Paper fans are OK, but as cool as those metal fans are, they are not eligible.
Quote from: Dany on May 17, 2010, 09:37:48 AM
Last question out of me..seems so common sense, but with talk of possibly peacebonding plushies and such I figured I'd check.
For my Sunday costume, I plan to carry a harp. It's a small harp, probably a foot and a half tall, made of wood and fully functional.. as in yes, I could play it, so long as it stays tuned (it's very new so it has problems with that right now). Here's a photo of it:
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Thoughts on if it will need peacebonding? It's certainly not a weapon, but it does qualify in the prop department.
I have a carrying case for when I'm not actively posing with it..just a black canvas bag with a handle, so if I'm just walking from one place to another it would likely go in there because that's where it's safest. As for when I'm sitting/posing, an option that I thought would work would be to tie a ribbon or cord between my wrist and the back of the harp, just above the soundbox (if you're looking at the photo, that's the part on the left) as that part would be facing me.
We wouldn't have to attach it to you. We wouldn't even have to tag it if we couldn't find a safe way to do so. We could throw a small tag on a bag-handle to be sure you've got a tag, but other than that, there is no issue. Musical instruments represent the sort of mundane object which we do not feel is a "weapon" and must only be marked.
On another note;
I feel like there are a lot of you who are under the misconception that
every prop is going to be attached to you. The only sort of props which will be attached are guns, and certain sword-props. I would like to put a peace-tie on most props, because I want everyone to listen to my "don't be an idiot, don't be a jerk" lecture that you get when I'm peace-tying you.
Oh, and:
Quote from: azreale on May 16, 2010, 10:47:42 PM
alright then am i ok w/ 8'3" or do i need to shave a few inches off? thanks for all your help by the way guys!
Yes, we are unfortunately going to be that strict. If it is possible to shave a few inches off, please do so. If you cannot do so without causing serious harm to yourself or your prop, please come talk to me. (I feel like I'm saying that a lot recently) I try to work *with* you guys, not against you.
The logic for the 8' limit, btw, is that weapons over that length get *so* unwieldy that you cause a bit of a hazard when going through doorways, which are over 7' tall.
Quote from: Aelia on May 17, 2010, 09:48:26 AM
On another note;
I feel like there are a lot of you who are under the misconception that every prop is going to be attached to you. The only sort of props which will be attached are guns, and certain sword-props. I would like to put a peace-tie on most props, because I want everyone to listen to my "don't be an idiot, don't be a jerk" lecture that you get when I'm peace-tying you.
I think it stems from a combination of weird past experiences and "erring on the side of caution" so that nothing comes from left field.
I'll listen to a full speech if I know everything will get in safely (and yes, by ALL means if the harp bag can be tagged, I'm totally fine with this!!!).
Quote from: dark-lord-of-sith on May 15, 2010, 01:52:49 PM
Aella, um... My prop gun that I would be bringing is a hand gun prop that is fifteen inches long. Here is a few links with photos of it. http://dark-lord-of-sith.deviantart.com/art/hellsing-Jackal-prop-cast-3-164153873 http://Dark-Lord-of-Sith.deviantart.com/art/Hellsing-Jackal-prop-cast-2-164153735 http://Dark-Lord-of-Sith.deviantart.com/art/Hellsing-Jackal-prop-cast-1-164153603 ... I would be using a simple sword holster for it if you need it in a holster. Also if you want to see photos of it in the holster so you have an idea of what that would look like I will gladly do that. All I really have to do to the gun is the paint job. It will be all black with an orange tip. Just tell me how long the tip needs to be so I can paint it the right size.
Those will have to be in a holster of some sort. It doesn't have to be fancy, but it does have to contain your guns. We will have to peace-bond them into a holster. (Or rather, 2 holsters, since there are 2 guns)
Quote from: Dany on May 17, 2010, 09:55:32 AM
Quote from: Aelia on May 17, 2010, 09:48:26 AM
On another note;
I feel like there are a lot of you who are under the misconception that every prop is going to be attached to you. The only sort of props which will be attached are guns, and certain sword-props. I would like to put a peace-tie on most props, because I want everyone to listen to my "don't be an idiot, don't be a jerk" lecture that you get when I'm peace-tying you.
I think it stems from a combination of weird past experiences and "erring on the side of caution" so that nothing comes from left field.
I'll listen to a full speech if I know everything will get in safely (and yes, by ALL means if the harp bag can be tagged, I'm totally fine with this!!!).
I do think there were a lot of "weird past experiences", so I see where that one's coming from. There are some reasons for those experiences, but to share would be gossipy and would probably result in a few lectures. (If you want to know the weird stuff about fanime, try staffing it)
I'm trying to establish a system of tagging *props* and not just *weapons* because the borderland between them is so vague. Technically speaking, you can bludgeon someone with that harp, but I don't consider it a weapon because it's expensive and would be damaged if you hit someone. Unfortunately, that same argument could be used for some prop swords or guns, so it's not a valid argument to exclude it. (This whole policy is pretty crazy, and has logic behind every single rule, even when they don't make apparent sense to you guys)
Our first and foremost goal is Congoer Safety, followed by Police Safety followed by Not Damaging Props. (One of the peace-bonding commandments this year is thou shalt not damage people's props)
so i modded the rifle prop that i have that falls under all the rules, i stuck a heavy duty velcro on on side of it and the other side was added to my armour. So the heavy duty velcro is my holster, and its still hard to take off but its not permenant. Will that be ok? i just dont want the guns to be peacebonded to me again like the past year...for two reasons 1# i need it for %80 of my cosplays which will have the same velcro system and 2# when it was peacebonded to me it cracked the handle because it was too tight and when i sat down it snapped...id have to take off most my armour just to sit with the method of peacebonding it to my armour. also to make things easier for my non-moving prop/non loadable (at anytime ever) non-airsoft toy gun i dipped the front half of the muzzle in red plasti dip.
Loner, that sounds ok, but I'm going to have to see it to give you the 100% OK
How large does the orange tip have to be on hand gun props?
Quote from: dark-lord-of-sith on May 17, 2010, 07:31:54 PM
How large does the orange tip have to be on hand gun props?
At least 1/2" visible from the side of the gun.
i have a pocketknife as a prop. but the blade is completely covered by air-dry clay and only the handle shows. can i bring this to fanime?
Quote from: DrMarukyuu on May 18, 2010, 04:41:29 PM
i have a pocketknife as a prop. but the blade is completely covered by air-dry clay and only the handle shows. can i bring this to fanime?
Because of the "having a real knife inside" I would really have to say no. If you were to create a knife out of *just* air dry clay, I could say yes.
Quote from: Aelia on May 14, 2010, 10:48:35 PM
Quote from: Avairrianna on May 14, 2010, 01:52:40 PM
I have a question about the wording from the gun peacebonding rules.
"Items which are too large to be holstered may be dealt with in another way." What does this entail?
Depends on how large of a prop we're talking about. Did you have a specific prop in mind??
Like Nerf shotgun?
Quote from: Avairrianna on May 18, 2010, 06:03:39 PM
Quote from: Aelia on May 14, 2010, 10:48:35 PM
Quote from: Avairrianna on May 14, 2010, 01:52:40 PM
I have a question about the wording from the gun peacebonding rules.
"Items which are too large to be holstered may be dealt with in another way." What does this entail?
Depends on how large of a prop we're talking about. Did you have a specific prop in mind??
Like Nerf shotgun?
Hahahah. I just looked at your sig and figured out why you're asking. Everything but your gaia cosplay is going to have a gun of some sort, huh?
Hand-gun sized prop-guns (which meet all other requirements) must be holstered.
Shotgun/Rifle sized prop-guns (which meet all other requirements) may be hand-carried.
Absurdly Huge prop-guns (which meet all other requirements) get a tag and a lecture for paying attention to your surroundings.
Does that make sense?
Would these props be okay?
Rifle:
http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Sniper-Rifle-WIP-2-164539421 (http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Sniper-Rifle-WIP-2-164539421)
I'm going to paint is like this when i finish assembling it: http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h4/timebmb757/Sniper_IMG.png (http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h4/timebmb757/Sniper_IMG.png)
It's made from wood and PVC pipe. Would it be okay to carry it around if i painted the tip orange? Or will it look to real?
Butterfly Knife:
http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Butterfly-Knife-WIP-139754830 (http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Butterfly-Knife-WIP-139754830)
Whole thing is made of wood and the tip of the blade is rounded.
Revolver:
http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Ambassador-WIP-2-139754606 (http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Ambassador-WIP-2-139754606)
It is in the process of being painted to look like this: http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7091/ambassador.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7091/ambassador.jpg)
Do i have to add an orange tip to this? It would look ridiculous if i tried to paint one on.
Hidden Blade:
http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Hidden-Blade-and-Forearm-Armor-157705543 (http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Hidden-Blade-and-Forearm-Armor-157705543)
I'm cosplaying Altair from Assassin's Creed and i'm wonder if it will be legal to carry that around. The blade is made from wood and it has a locking mechanism. The blade won't come out unless i pull on the mechanism. This prop is gravity operated.
probably not on the hidden blade or the knife but i dont know....(due to them being wood)
but in the same topic i have paper kunai attached to a belt via metal rings you cant take it out, its for display only since its only paper and a paper hidden blade of the same kind from Aphaestus's post but completely made out of paper and scotch tape and layered over with silver duct tape, that should be ok right? it even bends because its made out of paper!
Quote from: Aphaestus on May 18, 2010, 07:39:38 PM
Would these props be okay?
Rifle:
http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Sniper-Rifle-WIP-2-164539421 (http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Sniper-Rifle-WIP-2-164539421)
I'm going to paint is like this when i finish assembling it: http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h4/timebmb757/Sniper_IMG.png (http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h4/timebmb757/Sniper_IMG.png)
It's made from wood and PVC pipe. Would it be okay to carry it around if i painted the tip orange? Or will it look to real?
Butterfly Knife:
http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Butterfly-Knife-WIP-139754830 (http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Butterfly-Knife-WIP-139754830)
Whole thing is made of wood and the tip of the blade is rounded.
Revolver:
http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Ambassador-WIP-2-139754606 (http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Ambassador-WIP-2-139754606)
It is in the process of being painted to look like this: http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7091/ambassador.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7091/ambassador.jpg)
Do i have to add an orange tip to this? It would look ridiculous if i tried to paint one on.
Hidden Blade:
http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Hidden-Blade-and-Forearm-Armor-157705543 (http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Hidden-Blade-and-Forearm-Armor-157705543)
I'm cosplaying Altair from Assassin's Creed and i'm wonder if it will be legal to carry that around. The blade is made from wood and it has a locking mechanism. The blade won't come out unless i pull on the mechanism. This prop is gravity operated.
I have a question, hopefully it's not as completely ridiculous as it sounds :x
'Live' ammunition!
I'm making "smoke flares" for my Lord Yupa costume to go in my shirt breast pockets. If you're familiar with the character (he's from Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind) you might recall that they look an *awful* lot like shotgun shells. Which I happen to have.
I've cut some of said shells open and extracted all shot, wadding, and charge from them with painstaking detail. I have yet to discharge the priming cap. Once that's done they'll be completely inert, just harmless shells of steel and plastic.... that still look like shotgun shells.
Is this acceptable?
so for my guns, i ended up buying 2 more toy rifles that are none firing. im going to take the trigger off it and paint it gold, then im going to plasi dip the muzzle thick red like the others and strap it on my back with velcro straps. The rifles arent meant to come off but i dont want those peacebonded either, like i said peacebonding props to costumes damages something and im just paranoid since my gun broke last time this happend....ill show you aelia that it cracked when i ask for you, thats why id rather find alternate ways to strap it on my back myself, so please excuse my paranoia.
Quote from: Aphaestus on May 18, 2010, 07:39:38 PM
Would these props be okay?
Rifle:
http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Sniper-Rifle-WIP-2-164539421 (http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Sniper-Rifle-WIP-2-164539421)
I'm going to paint is like this when i finish assembling it: http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h4/timebmb757/Sniper_IMG.png (http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h4/timebmb757/Sniper_IMG.png)
It's made from wood and PVC pipe. Would it be okay to carry it around if i painted the tip orange? Or will it look to real?
Butterfly Knife:
http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Butterfly-Knife-WIP-139754830 (http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Butterfly-Knife-WIP-139754830)
Whole thing is made of wood and the tip of the blade is rounded.
Revolver:
http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Ambassador-WIP-2-139754606 (http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Ambassador-WIP-2-139754606)
It is in the process of being painted to look like this: http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7091/ambassador.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7091/ambassador.jpg)
Do i have to add an orange tip to this? It would look ridiculous if i tried to paint one on.
Hidden Blade:
http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Hidden-Blade-and-Forearm-Armor-157705543 (http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Hidden-Blade-and-Forearm-Armor-157705543)
I'm cosplaying Altair from Assassin's Creed and i'm wonder if it will be legal to carry that around. The blade is made from wood and it has a locking mechanism. The blade won't come out unless i pull on the mechanism. This prop is gravity operated.
That is some beautiful woodcraft, sir. Are you professional?
this is gonna be like last year's incident when they allowed a decomissioned rpg, the fact that it was real at one point i think they will say no....just sayin
Quote from: Garuda on May 19, 2010, 11:29:16 AM
I have a question, hopefully it's not as completely ridiculous as it sounds :x
'Live' ammunition!
I'm making "smoke flares" for my Lord Yupa costume to go in my shirt breast pockets. If you're familiar with the character (he's from Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind) you might recall that they look an *awful* lot like shotgun shells. Which I happen to have.
I've cut some of said shells open and extracted all shot, wadding, and charge from them with painstaking detail. I have yet to discharge the priming cap. Once that's done they'll be completely inert, just harmless shells of steel and plastic.... that still look like shotgun shells.
Is this acceptable?
Quote from: Aelia on May 18, 2010, 06:27:38 PM
Quote from: Avairrianna on May 18, 2010, 06:03:39 PM
Quote from: Aelia on May 14, 2010, 10:48:35 PM
Quote from: Avairrianna on May 14, 2010, 01:52:40 PM
I have a question about the wording from the gun peacebonding rules.
"Items which are too large to be holstered may be dealt with in another way." What does this entail?
Depends on how large of a prop we're talking about. Did you have a specific prop in mind??
Like Nerf shotgun?
Hahahah. I just looked at your sig and figured out why you're asking. Everything but your gaia cosplay is going to have a gun of some sort, huh?
Hand-gun sized prop-guns (which meet all other requirements) must be holstered.
Shotgun/Rifle sized prop-guns (which meet all other requirements) may be hand-carried.
Absurdly Huge prop-guns (which meet all other requirements) get a tag and a lecture for paying attention to your surroundings.
Does that make sense?
Yes! Thank you so much!
For Gaia I have an enormous sword I'm making from fiberglass work (Currently working on) Under 6'
For TF2 I of course have the flamethrower that meets the requirements of being oversized
For L4D I have a shotgun
For Metal Slug I'll probably just use the shotgun
Quote from: Garuda on May 19, 2010, 11:34:08 AM
That is some beautiful woodcraft, sir. Are you professional?
Thank you. I'm just an art student =P
Quote from: Aphaestus on May 18, 2010, 07:39:38 PM
Would these props be okay?
Rifle:
http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Sniper-Rifle-WIP-2-164539421 (http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Sniper-Rifle-WIP-2-164539421)
I'm going to paint is like this when i finish assembling it: http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h4/timebmb757/Sniper_IMG.png (http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h4/timebmb757/Sniper_IMG.png)
It's made from wood and PVC pipe. Would it be okay to carry it around if i painted the tip orange? Or will it look to real?
Butterfly Knife:
http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Butterfly-Knife-WIP-139754830 (http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Butterfly-Knife-WIP-139754830)
Whole thing is made of wood and the tip of the blade is rounded.
Revolver:
http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Ambassador-WIP-2-139754606 (http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Ambassador-WIP-2-139754606)
It is in the process of being painted to look like this: http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7091/ambassador.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7091/ambassador.jpg)
Do i have to add an orange tip to this? It would look ridiculous if i tried to paint one on.
Hidden Blade:
http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Hidden-Blade-and-Forearm-Armor-157705543 (http://aphaestus.deviantart.com/art/Hidden-Blade-and-Forearm-Armor-157705543)
I'm cosplaying Altair from Assassin's Creed and i'm wonder if it will be legal to carry that around. The blade is made from wood and it has a locking mechanism. The blade won't come out unless i pull on the mechanism. This prop is gravity operated.
Just going to say right now... holy shit my friend. You have a talent for woodcraft. Uhh... I think that they're all going to be ok provided you can answer a couple more questions;
- What does the scale of that revolver actually look like? Is it oversized, or actual revolver sized?
- There is no spring in the hidden blade? And it locks "closed", but not extended?
Quote from: Garuda on May 19, 2010, 11:29:16 AM
I have a question, hopefully it's not as completely ridiculous as it sounds :x
'Live' ammunition!
I'm making "smoke flares" for my Lord Yupa costume to go in my shirt breast pockets. If you're familiar with the character (he's from Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind) you might recall that they look an *awful* lot like shotgun shells. Which I happen to have.
I've cut some of said shells open and extracted all shot, wadding, and charge from them with painstaking detail. I have yet to discharge the priming cap. Once that's done they'll be completely inert, just harmless shells of steel and plastic.... that still look like shotgun shells.
Is this acceptable?
I would feel a lot better if you were using something that was not ever live ammunition. We aren't allowing non-functional guns which were once real, and I can't say that I would let you carry non-functional ammo, either. I just... can't even think of how to make this work for you, honestly. The trouble with a gutted shotgun shell is that when you're carrying it around, it still looks real, which is great for "realistic" cosplay, but not so good for our props policy... ... are you going to have a gun?
Quote from: Aelia on May 19, 2010, 12:34:04 PM
Just going to say right now... holy shit my friend. You have a talent for woodcraft. Uhh... I think that they're all going to be ok provided you can answer a couple more questions;
- What does the scale of that revolver actually look like? Is it oversized, or actual revolver sized?
- There is no spring in the hidden blade? And it locks "closed", but not extended?
Thank you :)
If i put a rectangle around the revolver, it will be around 15in x 9in. It's kinda ridiculous to be honest XD
No springs at all in the hidden blade. Here's a pic of the inside of the Hidden Blade and my video of how it locks:
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2009/364/8/4/Hidden_Blade_Innards_by_Aphaestus.jpg (http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2009/364/8/4/Hidden_Blade_Innards_by_Aphaestus.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV6IuUvPdP0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV6IuUvPdP0)
It was a prototype of my hidden blade, but the locking mechanism is still the same: being held in the "closed" position by 2 magnets. The almost finished one looks almost exactly like the one in the vid; the blade is shaped and i made it a little longer, but none of the blade sticks out of the metal housing.
Quote from: Aphaestus on May 19, 2010, 12:59:07 PM
Quote from: Aelia on May 19, 2010, 12:34:04 PM
Just going to say right now... holy shit my friend. You have a talent for woodcraft. Uhh... I think that they're all going to be ok provided you can answer a couple more questions;
- What does the scale of that revolver actually look like? Is it oversized, or actual revolver sized?
- There is no spring in the hidden blade? And it locks "closed", but not extended?
Thank you :)
If i put a rectangle around the revolver, it will be around 15in x 9in. It's kinda ridiculous to be honest XD
No springs at all in the hidden blade. Here's a pic of the inside of the Hidden Blade and my video of how it locks:
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2009/364/8/4/Hidden_Blade_Innards_by_Aphaestus.jpg (http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2009/364/8/4/Hidden_Blade_Innards_by_Aphaestus.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV6IuUvPdP0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV6IuUvPdP0)
It was a prototype of my hidden blade, but the locking mechanism is still the same: being held in the "closed" position by 2 magnets. The almost finished one looks almost exactly like the one in the vid; the blade is shaped and i made it a little longer, but none of the blade sticks out of the metal housing.
I thought you'd say that. I thought I recalled the ambassador being a very large gun. When you pull the trigger (which looks like it moves) what does it do? (And if it does move, would it be harmed by us peace-bonding it with the trigger pulled?)
Quote from: Aelia on May 19, 2010, 02:41:18 PM
Quote from: Aphaestus on May 19, 2010, 12:59:07 PM
Quote from: Aelia on May 19, 2010, 12:34:04 PM
Just going to say right now... holy shit my friend. You have a talent for woodcraft. Uhh... I think that they're all going to be ok provided you can answer a couple more questions;
- What does the scale of that revolver actually look like? Is it oversized, or actual revolver sized?
- There is no spring in the hidden blade? And it locks "closed", but not extended?
Thank you :)
If i put a rectangle around the revolver, it will be around 15in x 9in. It's kinda ridiculous to be honest XD
No springs at all in the hidden blade. Here's a pic of the inside of the Hidden Blade and my video of how it locks:
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2009/364/8/4/Hidden_Blade_Innards_by_Aphaestus.jpg (http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2009/364/8/4/Hidden_Blade_Innards_by_Aphaestus.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV6IuUvPdP0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV6IuUvPdP0)
It was a prototype of my hidden blade, but the locking mechanism is still the same: being held in the "closed" position by 2 magnets. The almost finished one looks almost exactly like the one in the vid; the blade is shaped and i made it a little longer, but none of the blade sticks out of the metal housing.
I thought you'd say that. I thought I recalled the ambassador being a very large gun. When you pull the trigger (which looks like it moves) what does it do? (And if it does move, would it be harmed by us peace-bonding it with the trigger pulled?)
The trigger does not move at all. It's pretty fragile; it broke off once before when i was still working on the gun.
Quote from: Aelia on May 19, 2010, 12:34:04 PM
Quote from: Garuda on May 19, 2010, 11:29:16 AM
I have a question, hopefully it's not as completely ridiculous as it sounds :x
'Live' ammunition!
I'm making "smoke flares" for my Lord Yupa costume to go in my shirt breast pockets. If you're familiar with the character (he's from Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind) you might recall that they look an *awful* lot like shotgun shells. Which I happen to have.
I've cut some of said shells open and extracted all shot, wadding, and charge from them with painstaking detail. I have yet to discharge the priming cap. Once that's done they'll be completely inert, just harmless shells of steel and plastic.... that still look like shotgun shells.
Is this acceptable?
I would feel a lot better if you were using something that was not ever live ammunition. We aren't allowing non-functional guns which were once real, and I can't say that I would let you carry non-functional ammo, either. I just... can't even think of how to make this work for you, honestly. The trouble with a gutted shotgun shell is that when you're carrying it around, it still looks real, which is great for "realistic" cosplay, but not so good for our props policy... ... are you going to have a gun?
No gun, just the shells. I just finished removing the priming caps (figured out I could do it without explosions, this was a good thing), I'd be happy to scan them for you if you like, but it sounds like safety isn't really the issue. If it helps at all, it is easy to demonstrate at closer inspection that they are completely nonfunctional. You can see from both ends that there's nothing inside but wooden dowel to extend them to the depth of the pocket. I'm getting that the issue is people misinterpreting them from a distance though, so I understand if that won't fly. I guess it's paint and washers time... :\
Quote from: Garuda on May 19, 2010, 03:02:16 PM
Quote from: Aelia on May 19, 2010, 12:34:04 PM
Quote from: Garuda on May 19, 2010, 11:29:16 AM
I have a question, hopefully it's not as completely ridiculous as it sounds :x
'Live' ammunition!
I'm making "smoke flares" for my Lord Yupa costume to go in my shirt breast pockets. If you're familiar with the character (he's from Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind) you might recall that they look an *awful* lot like shotgun shells. Which I happen to have.
I've cut some of said shells open and extracted all shot, wadding, and charge from them with painstaking detail. I have yet to discharge the priming cap. Once that's done they'll be completely inert, just harmless shells of steel and plastic.... that still look like shotgun shells.
Is this acceptable?
I would feel a lot better if you were using something that was not ever live ammunition. We aren't allowing non-functional guns which were once real, and I can't say that I would let you carry non-functional ammo, either. I just... can't even think of how to make this work for you, honestly. The trouble with a gutted shotgun shell is that when you're carrying it around, it still looks real, which is great for "realistic" cosplay, but not so good for our props policy... ... are you going to have a gun?
No gun, just the shells. I just finished removing the priming caps (figured out I could do it without explosions, this was a good thing), I'd be happy to scan them for you if you like, but it sounds like safety isn't really the issue. If it helps at all, it is easy to demonstrate at closer inspection that they are completely nonfunctional. You can see from both ends that there's nothing inside but wooden dowel to extend them to the depth of the pocket. I'm getting that the issue is people misinterpreting them from a distance though, so I understand if that won't fly. I guess it's paint and washers time... :\
Andy I know this is you (blame Kevin, he sicked me on the forums to help answer this and ID you to me) But yes, that would be a no go. My suggestion would be to to find some piping in the size you want, cut it down to size and use your palace arts stills to paint them as desired but leave the ends open so it's obvious its fake. This way there is no question its fake but has a nice look from the front for pictures.
And hello Aelia! Miss you! ;D
-Tiger (rover dep)
I'm going as Mugen this year for my very first FANIME, WOOT WOOT :D! however, i was concerned about my sword not being aloud inside. I was told by some of my friends that last year you could have a sword, however it had to stay sheathed and zip tied or something.
Don't want to be Mugen without the sword, so if i can bring it, GREAT! and if i cant, i need to know ASAP so i can order a bokken online and paint it.
I think I know the answer, but I'm not an official so I'm going to keep my yap shut.
Go to these two links. The first is the actual policy it shows you what items are specifically prohibited as well as guidelines. The second is a good place to ask your question and get an answer from someone in Rovers.
http://forums.fanime.com/index.php/topic,14106.0.html
http://forums.fanime.com/index.php/topic,13329.0.html
From what I understood neither bokken nor real metal swords are allowed.
But yes, Brightheart is right, go check those threads out for yourself. :P
Hmmm.. Just remembered since I intend to Cosplay as Gurney Halleck I might need to get my guitar peacebonded.
Quote from: Tigerwolf on May 19, 2010, 06:01:12 PM
Quote from: Garuda on May 19, 2010, 03:02:16 PM
Quote from: Aelia on May 19, 2010, 12:34:04 PM
Quote from: Garuda on May 19, 2010, 11:29:16 AM
I have a question, hopefully it's not as completely ridiculous as it sounds :x
'Live' ammunition!
I'm making "smoke flares" for my Lord Yupa costume to go in my shirt breast pockets. If you're familiar with the character (he's from Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind) you might recall that they look an *awful* lot like shotgun shells. Which I happen to have.
I've cut some of said shells open and extracted all shot, wadding, and charge from them with painstaking detail. I have yet to discharge the priming cap. Once that's done they'll be completely inert, just harmless shells of steel and plastic.... that still look like shotgun shells.
Is this acceptable?
I would feel a lot better if you were using something that was not ever live ammunition. We aren't allowing non-functional guns which were once real, and I can't say that I would let you carry non-functional ammo, either. I just... can't even think of how to make this work for you, honestly. The trouble with a gutted shotgun shell is that when you're carrying it around, it still looks real, which is great for "realistic" cosplay, but not so good for our props policy... ... are you going to have a gun?
No gun, just the shells. I just finished removing the priming caps (figured out I could do it without explosions, this was a good thing), I'd be happy to scan them for you if you like, but it sounds like safety isn't really the issue. If it helps at all, it is easy to demonstrate at closer inspection that they are completely nonfunctional. You can see from both ends that there's nothing inside but wooden dowel to extend them to the depth of the pocket. I'm getting that the issue is people misinterpreting them from a distance though, so I understand if that won't fly. I guess it's paint and washers time... :\
Andy I know this is you (blame Kevin, he sicked me on the forums to help answer this and ID you to me) But yes, that would be a no go. My suggestion would be to to find some piping in the size you want, cut it down to size and use your palace arts stills to paint them as desired but leave the ends open so it's obvious its fake. This way there is no question its fake but has a nice look from the front for pictures.
And hello Aelia! Miss you! ;D
-Tiger (rover dep)
Hahaha. OK, so since it seems like Tiger's got the right idea, I'm going to suggest that you use the dowels you were going to put inside to fill them with washers. That I could say is 100% ok.
Quote from: BBOYTarzan on May 19, 2010, 09:31:39 PM
I'm going as Mugen this year for my very first FANIME, WOOT WOOT :D! however, i was concerned about my sword not being aloud inside. I was told by some of my friends that last year you could have a sword, however it had to stay sheathed and zip tied or something.
Don't want to be Mugen without the sword, so if i can bring it, GREAT! and if i cant, i need to know ASAP so i can order a bokken online and paint it.
Looks to me like your thread got merged. No, we will not let you carry a katana at fanime. A boken would be acceptable.
Quote from: Rodney_Pheonix on May 19, 2010, 11:38:07 PM
Hmmm.. Just remembered since I intend to Cosplay as Gurney Halleck I might need to get my guitar peacebonded.
You'd need a tag. Just to establish that you weren't interested in beating people with it. ;)
Also,
Hi Tiger! :D
Quote from: Aelia on May 19, 2010, 11:40:39 PM
Quote from: Rodney_Pheonix on May 19, 2010, 11:38:07 PM
Hmmm.. Just remembered since I intend to Cosplay as Gurney Halleck I might need to get my guitar peacebonded.
You'd need a tag. Just to establish that you weren't interested in beating people with it. ;)
No, I don't intend to do a re-enactment of "When Kieth Richards attacks"... Though I wouldn't doubt that Gurney's smacked people around for touching his Baliset without permission before.
Also, another issue: I'm working on a false "backpack Oxy fuel" rig for my HECU combat engineer cosplay. I've run into issues fabricating the Oxygen and fuel canisters out of PVC like I'd intended. Since I already asked rovers about the gauges and have E-mail confirmation that I can use metal gauges I'd like to run by the question of being able to use a couple of Stainless steel water bottles like the "Sigg" bottles or whatever the hell they're called, made by some swedish company sold for many times the manufacturers cost and easily mistaken for white gas fuel canisters on a camping trip, or vice versa.
Bear in mind that this is part of a backpack and in no way will I be swinging it around like a madman to fend off say... Sephiroth or some silent crowbar wielding protagonist.
+100 exp for this "Bear in mind that this is part of a backpack and in no way will I be swinging it around like a madman to fend off say... Sephiroth or some silent crowbar wielding protagonist." made me lulz...
Quote from: Rodney_Pheonix on May 20, 2010, 12:13:19 AM
Quote from: Aelia on May 19, 2010, 11:40:39 PM
Quote from: Rodney_Pheonix on May 19, 2010, 11:38:07 PM
Hmmm.. Just remembered since I intend to Cosplay as Gurney Halleck I might need to get my guitar peacebonded.
You'd need a tag. Just to establish that you weren't interested in beating people with it. ;)
No, I don't intend to do a re-enactment of "When Kieth Richards attacks"... Though I wouldn't doubt that Gurney's smacked people around for touching his Baliset without permission before.
Also, another issue: I'm working on a false "backpack Oxy fuel" rig for my HECU combat engineer cosplay. I've run into issues fabricating the Oxygen and fuel canisters out of PVC like I'd intended. Since I already asked rovers about the gauges and have E-mail confirmation that I can use metal gauges I'd like to run by the question of being able to use a couple of Stainless steel water bottles like the "Sigg" bottles or whatever the hell they're called, made by some swedish company sold for many times the manufacturers cost and easily mistaken for white gas fuel canisters on a camping trip, or vice versa.
Bear in mind that this is part of a backpack and in no way will I be swinging it around like a madman to fend off say... Sephiroth or some silent crowbar wielding protagonist.
As long as you promise not to start beating the crap out of a sephiroth (or any other congoer) with your backpack, I don't see an issue with the canisters (provided they are and will remain empty). (Same rule with the guitar, btw. Pull a keith richards and you'll find yourself out both a guitar and permission for props).
Out of curiosity, are we talking the lighter gauge steel like for drinking bottles, or the heavier gauge like you'd get in a CO2 or helium canister?
Quote from: Aelia on May 20, 2010, 11:20:48 AM
Quote from: Rodney_Pheonix on May 20, 2010, 12:13:19 AM
Quote from: Aelia on May 19, 2010, 11:40:39 PM
Quote from: Rodney_Pheonix on May 19, 2010, 11:38:07 PM
Hmmm.. Just remembered since I intend to Cosplay as Gurney Halleck I might need to get my guitar peacebonded.
You'd need a tag. Just to establish that you weren't interested in beating people with it. ;)
No, I don't intend to do a re-enactment of "When Kieth Richards attacks"... Though I wouldn't doubt that Gurney's smacked people around for touching his Baliset without permission before.
Also, another issue: I'm working on a false "backpack Oxy fuel" rig for my HECU combat engineer cosplay. I've run into issues fabricating the Oxygen and fuel canisters out of PVC like I'd intended. Since I already asked rovers about the gauges and have E-mail confirmation that I can use metal gauges I'd like to run by the question of being able to use a couple of Stainless steel water bottles like the "Sigg" bottles or whatever the hell they're called, made by some swedish company sold for many times the manufacturers cost and easily mistaken for white gas fuel canisters on a camping trip, or vice versa.
Bear in mind that this is part of a backpack and in no way will I be swinging it around like a madman to fend off say... Sephiroth or some silent crowbar wielding protagonist.
As long as you promise not to start beating the crap out of a sephiroth (or any other congoer) with your backpack, I don't see an issue with the canisters (provided they are and will remain empty). (Same rule with the guitar, btw. Pull a keith richards and you'll find yourself out both a guitar and permission for props).
Out of curiosity, are we talking the lighter gauge steel like for drinking bottles, or the heavier gauge like you'd get in a CO2 or helium canister?
We're talking the thing gauge stuff that's used for canisters of white gas and those drinking bottles.
At the most they'd have water or something in them so I can carry a drink around. It's what I have planned for the PVC canister, only that'd be large enough I could stuff it full of ice and fit a couple of drinks in there to keep them chilled for me.
That's still my Goal, it's just close enough to the con that I need a backup plan now just in case.
"Items which are too large to be holstered may be tagged with a peace-bond and may be hand-carried provided they are never brandished."
This part of the rules that have been posted needs to be stressed big time. 2 years in a row I've had props damage because they were too long to be tied to my waist and were damaged due to too much contact with the ground or other objects, or of course accidently poking people. My sword is at least 4/5s my height about like 4+ft long and they still tried bonding it to my waist.
I have a few questions: It says that plastic/metal kunai have to be attached to be brought in. What would that look like? If that doesn't work out, would I be able to bring in a pair of wrenches instead?
Also, I have a small wand (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Reimu_Hakurei) that I'm planning on bringing. Would that have to be peace-bonded as well?
I'm going to be cosplaying as Richter Belmont. I was wondering if I can bring a prop leather whip by possibly zip-tying it so it cannot uncoil and put it through my belt loop?
Quote from: billgoku on May 20, 2010, 06:04:46 PM
"Items which are too large to be holstered may be tagged with a peace-bond and may be hand-carried provided they are never brandished."
This part of the rules that have been posted needs to be stressed big time. 2 years in a row I've had props damage because they were too long to be tied to my waist and were damaged due to too much contact with the ground or other objects, or of course accidently poking people. My sword is at least 4/5s my height about like 4+ft long and they still tried bonding it to my waist.
I don't
think any props which I personally peace-tied were damaged. I cannot say that for sure. However, the point of my reply is that yes, we will be policing our peace-bonders so that they know that should a prop get damaged, their head will roll. I put common sense into our guide to how things will be peace-bonded.
Quote from: hakurei on May 20, 2010, 11:21:14 PM
I have a few questions: It says that plastic/metal kunai have to be attached to be brought in. What would that look like? If that doesn't work out, would I be able to bring in a pair of wrenches instead?
Also, I have a small wand (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Reimu_Hakurei) that I'm planning on bringing. Would that have to be peace-bonded as well?
You would have to find a way for us to hook them to your costume. Wrenches would be OK but they would have to be peace-tied.
You wand should get peace-tied as a prop, not as a weapon.
Quote from: Segakid3 on May 20, 2010, 11:34:08 PM
I'm going to be cosplaying as Richter Belmont. I was wondering if I can bring a prop leather whip by possibly zip-tying it so it cannot uncoil and put it through my belt loop?
If you can coil it in such a way that you cannot use it, and it can be hooked to you then yes, you can carry the whip.
Quote from: Aelia on May 20, 2010, 11:53:20 PM
You would have to find a way for us to hook them to your costume. Wrenches would be OK but they would have to be peace-tied.
You wand should get peace-tied as a prop, not as a weapon.
If they're hooked to my costume, would I still be able to take them off for photos or would they have to stay there for the entire con, photoshoots included? Sorry for all of the questions, I just want to make sure.
Quote from: Aelia on May 20, 2010, 11:53:20 PM
Quote from: billgoku on May 20, 2010, 06:04:46 PM
"Items which are too large to be holstered may be tagged with a peace-bond and may be hand-carried provided they are never brandished."
This part of the rules that have been posted needs to be stressed big time. 2 years in a row I've had props damage because they were too long to be tied to my waist and were damaged due to too much contact with the ground or other objects, or of course accidently poking people. My sword is at least 4/5s my height about like 4+ft long and they still tried bonding it to my waist.
I don't think any props which I personally peace-tied were damaged. I cannot say that for sure. However, the point of my reply is that yes, we will be policing our peace-bonders so that they know that should a prop get damaged, their head will roll. I put common sense into our guide to how things will be peace-bonded.
Quote from: hakurei on May 20, 2010, 11:21:14 PM
I have a few questions: It says that plastic/metal kunai have to be attached to be brought in. What would that look like? If that doesn't work out, would I be able to bring in a pair of wrenches instead?
Also, I have a small wand (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Reimu_Hakurei) that I'm planning on bringing. Would that have to be peace-bonded as well?
You would have to find a way for us to hook them to your costume. Wrenches would be OK but they would have to be peace-tied.
You wand should get peace-tied as a prop, not as a weapon.
Quote from: Segakid3 on May 20, 2010, 11:34:08 PM
I'm going to be cosplaying as Richter Belmont. I was wondering if I can bring a prop leather whip by possibly zip-tying it so it cannot uncoil and put it through my belt loop?
If you can coil it in such a way that you cannot use it, and it can be hooked to you then yes, you can carry the whip.
Well, unless you're a guy then you didn't bond mine, it was the same person for 2 years straight that damaged my items, well caused damage to them. A almost 5 foot long sword shouldn't be bonded to a 6ft persons waist, just common sense it'll get some kind of wear and tear. If I carry it, its on my shoulder blade in the air. I don't care how many ties go on the hilt just as long as I can "carry" it. Yeah theres a platic chain that hangs from the end of the sword and I understand that needs to be tied to the sword instead of left dangling, thats no problem. Now heads rolling, well you're worried we're going to be the violent ones. O_o lol
Are tonfas that are made out of PVC pipe allowed?
Quote from: Hibari-san on May 22, 2010, 08:31:05 PM
Are tonfas that are made out of PVC pipe allowed?
Tonfas of any type are not allowed. Sorry.
I have a non-functioning squirt gun with a cone made of craft foam glued to the business end, all spraypainted blue. Do I still need an orange tip on it, and if so, where would I put the orange tip?
(https://forums.fanime.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi45.tinypic.com%2Fjhvktc.jpg&hash=1b7ea6a59c363687182c9f79fa04b28e3c7fd5a9)
I think it's pretty obvious that it's not a real gun, but I just want to be safe. Thanks!
So I happen to Have a Greatsword for my costume that measures in at 6'6
Is this legal?
Quote from: hakurei on May 21, 2010, 12:01:18 AM
Quote from: Aelia on May 20, 2010, 11:53:20 PM
You would have to find a way for us to hook them to your costume. Wrenches would be OK but they would have to be peace-tied.
You wand should get peace-tied as a prop, not as a weapon.
If they're hooked to my costume, would I still be able to take them off for photos or would they have to stay there for the entire con, photoshoots included? Sorry for all of the questions, I just want to make sure.
If you were to go to an official photoshoot (and not just a "hey can I have your picture") you could un peace-bond your prop for the photoshoot, but it would have to get bonded again after. We need to attach Kunai to some part of your costume.
Quote from: billgoku on May 21, 2010, 07:14:55 PM
Well, unless you're a guy then you didn't bond mine, it was the same person for 2 years straight that damaged my items, well caused damage to them. A almost 5 foot long sword shouldn't be bonded to a 6ft persons waist, just common sense it'll get some kind of wear and tear. If I carry it, its on my shoulder blade in the air. I don't care how many ties go on the hilt just as long as I can "carry" it. Yeah theres a platic chain that hangs from the end of the sword and I understand that needs to be tied to the sword instead of left dangling, thats no problem. Now heads rolling, well you're worried we're going to be the violent ones. O_o lol
Please don't carry your blade over your shoulder. You can pose that way, but if you carry it that way, then there's something poking out behind you that people can walk into. If you turn, you can thump somebody on the head. Please find another way to carry your sword.
Quote from: Nina Star 9 on May 23, 2010, 09:36:26 PM
I have a non-functioning squirt gun with a cone made of craft foam glued to the business end, all spraypainted blue. Do I still need an orange tip on it, and if so, where would I put the orange tip?
(https://forums.fanime.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi45.tinypic.com%2Fjhvktc.jpg&hash=1b7ea6a59c363687182c9f79fa04b28e3c7fd5a9)
I think it's pretty obvious that it's not a real gun, but I just want to be safe. Thanks!
It needs to get tagged. It does not need an orange tip.
Quote from: Crewd on May 24, 2010, 08:02:22 AM
So I happen to Have a Greatsword for my costume that measures in at 6'6
Is this legal?
When you say greatsword you mean... what, exactly? That's a vague descriptor, unfortunately.
Just FYI, for all of you that will be at con, and feel the need to talk to me specifically. I will be at the Convention starting 5pm on Thursday. I will be available a lot, but that is the first point at which you could even possibly find me.
If you must get me, please politely ask a rover to get a hold of me, and if I'm not busy dealing with con business, I'll help you out. On that note, Cassie is another shift lead who is very good at peace-bonding as well. Please do not insult her by demanding to talk to me, when she will tell you the same thing.
I'll continue to check this thread until con. If you have more questions, please post them.
well, when I say greatsword I mean its long and wide. The actual make up of the weapon is legal I just didn't see anything about size restrictions/(last convention I went to did)
Question, are metal backpack frames allowed (no sharp edges on it)? I read the published prop policy and wanted to be clear on whether it could be used or not.
Quote from: Aelia on May 24, 2010, 10:06:14 AM
Quote from: hakurei on May 21, 2010, 12:01:18 AM
Quote from: Aelia on May 20, 2010, 11:53:20 PM
You would have to find a way for us to hook them to your costume. Wrenches would be OK but they would have to be peace-tied.
You wand should get peace-tied as a prop, not as a weapon.
If they're hooked to my costume, would I still be able to take them off for photos or would they have to stay there for the entire con, photoshoots included? Sorry for all of the questions, I just want to make sure.
If you were to go to an official photoshoot (and not just a "hey can I have your picture") you could un peace-bond your prop for the photoshoot, but it would have to get bonded again after. We need to attach Kunai to some part of your costume.
Quote from: billgoku on May 21, 2010, 07:14:55 PM
Well, unless you're a guy then you didn't bond mine, it was the same person for 2 years straight that damaged my items, well caused damage to them. A almost 5 foot long sword shouldn't be bonded to a 6ft persons waist, just common sense it'll get some kind of wear and tear. If I carry it, its on my shoulder blade in the air. I don't care how many ties go on the hilt just as long as I can "carry" it. Yeah theres a platic chain that hangs from the end of the sword and I understand that needs to be tied to the sword instead of left dangling, thats no problem. Now heads rolling, well you're worried we're going to be the violent ones. O_o lol
Please don't carry your blade over your shoulder. You can pose that way, but if you carry it that way, then there's something poking out behind you that people can walk into. If you turn, you can thump somebody on the head. Please find another way to carry your sword.
Quote from: Nina Star 9 on May 23, 2010, 09:36:26 PM
I have a non-functioning squirt gun with a cone made of craft foam glued to the business end, all spraypainted blue. Do I still need an orange tip on it, and if so, where would I put the orange tip?
(https://forums.fanime.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi45.tinypic.com%2Fjhvktc.jpg&hash=1b7ea6a59c363687182c9f79fa04b28e3c7fd5a9)
I think it's pretty obvious that it's not a real gun, but I just want to be safe. Thanks!
It needs to get tagged. It does not need an orange tip.
Quote from: Crewd on May 24, 2010, 08:02:22 AM
So I happen to Have a Greatsword for my costume that measures in at 6'6
Is this legal?
When you say greatsword you mean... what, exactly? That's a vague descriptor, unfortunately.
Just FYI, for all of you that will be at con, and feel the need to talk to me specifically. I will be at the Convention starting 5pm on Thursday. I will be available a lot, but that is the first point at which you could even possibly find me.
If you must get me, please politely ask a rover to get a hold of me, and if I'm not busy dealing with con business, I'll help you out. On that note, Cassie is another shift lead who is very good at peace-bonding as well. Please do not insult her by demanding to talk to me, when she will tell you the same thing.
I'll continue to check this thread until con. If you have more questions, please post them.
I'm sorry but if you read my post it says "In the air" meaning the tip is above my head pointing upward, so I'll rephrase it, its leaning on my chest and shoulder pointing toward the ceiling. This way I could spin in place and not hit anyone. Only thing I may hit is the top of a door frame.
Hey Aelia,
Referring the email about our weapons that you asked me to resend..I did so a few days or so after you requested (to both rovers at fanime and fanimerovers at gmail), but I've yet to hear a response on it. Should I try to resend again?
I have a question about costume policy in general.
I've read all the rules for props and weapons, but nothing about restrictions on costumes.
Is there even a written rule sheet for this?
I'd like to go over it before going over my costumes for picking and choosing.
I'm cosplaying as Electra from Cowboy bebop for two days at Fanime. My gun prop is plastic, small, un-loaded, and can be zip-tied. Problem is, after reading the guidelines, they said that I need a holster.
Electra doesn't have a holster, and she usually fits her gun in her pocket but I don't have a big enough pocket. I will, however, had a purse/bag with me that I can put it in until I need it for pictures. Would this be okay???
Note, this is my first time EVER at Fanime. Help would be greatly appreciated! :)
Quote from: ash_chan on May 24, 2010, 10:15:56 PM
I have a question about costume policy in general.
I've read all the rules for props and weapons, but nothing about restrictions on costumes.
Is there even a written rule sheet for this?
I'd like to go over it before going over my costumes for picking and choosing.
In terms of costumes..I think the understanding is pretty much so long as your no-no's are covered and you don't have Big Things sticking out of you that could hurt someone or cause traffic issues, you should be OK. I'll be happily overwritten by staff on this one.
I agree, I don't think that there is a written policy about costumes themselves...unless I missed it?
This year I'm cosplaying as an Angelcore soldier who possess a Luger type gun, if I were to make this out of cardboard and paint it to match exactly like in the anime series, how would I be able to present this into the convention? Please help me out :D
@aelia
so ive packed my things assuming they all follow under 2010 guideline and rules,
ive ran into problems before with peacebonders who dont follow the exact guidelines themselfs.
So not to cause any problems this year i printed out the rules and highlighted what pertains to my costumes, would this be ok without stepping on any toes if i bought this with me when i get my stuff peacebonded?
Quote from: Dany on May 24, 2010, 11:21:51 PM
Quote from: ash_chan on May 24, 2010, 10:15:56 PM
I have a question about costume policy in general.
I've read all the rules for props and weapons, but nothing about restrictions on costumes.
Is there even a written rule sheet for this?
I'd like to go over it before going over my costumes for picking and choosing.
In terms of costumes..I think the understanding is pretty much so long as your no-no's are covered and you don't have Big Things sticking out of you that could hurt someone or cause traffic issues, you should be OK. I'll be happily overwritten by staff on this one.
I agree, I don't think that there is a written policy about costumes themselves...unless I missed it?
I wish I knew.
Because I have a large (read: long) costume that I brought.
It's mainly for the pokemon gathering, but I wanted to walk on the con floor with it.
I'd probably keep it out of the Dealer's Room, that'd be a hassle, and it wouldn't be out ALL THE TIME, but I do want to show it off.
I worked super hard on this puppy.
I've seen costumes like it before at other cons, so I wasn't thinking when I made it that it might be not allowed at FanimeCon.
But then I realized last night and I figured I'd ask if there were any specific rules.
Quote from: ash_chan on May 25, 2010, 07:52:48 AM
I wish I knew.
Because I have a large (read: long) costume that I brought.
It's mainly for the pokemon gathering, but I wanted to walk on the con floor with it.
I'd probably keep it out of the Dealer's Room, that'd be a hassle, and it wouldn't be out ALL THE TIME, but I do want to show it off.
I worked super hard on this puppy.
I've seen costumes like it before at other cons, so I wasn't thinking when I made it that it might be not allowed at FanimeCon.
But then I realized last night and I figured I'd ask if there were any specific rules.
I would think you should be OK at least for the gathering itself, and especially if you plan to avoid the Dealer's room. That seems the worst place to take any "big" costume, no matter what the event :)
As for the "long part", it sounds like you have a way to pull things in when it's not being photographed, if I read correctly. I would probably suggest having a couple of friends around to spot you when you're walking around with everything opened just to be sure nothing is damaged (you or surrounding people/objects) and to just keep to more open areas. I don't know what the costume is so I'm making some big assumptions, but hopefully that helps...
Quote from: Dany on May 25, 2010, 08:37:15 AM
I would think you should be OK at least for the gathering itself, and especially if you plan to avoid the Dealer's room. That seems the worst place to take any "big" costume, no matter what the event :)
As for the "long part", it sounds like you have a way to pull things in when it's not being photographed, if I read correctly. I would probably suggest having a couple of friends around to spot you when you're walking around with everything opened just to be sure nothing is damaged (you or surrounding people/objects) and to just keep to more open areas. I don't know what the costume is so I'm making some big assumptions, but hopefully that helps...
There's actually 2 people in the costume, with an opening at the front to have visibility.
It's long length wise and not width wise. It's not like wings or something like that where I'd be taking up 20' across a hall. It'd be a straight line. It's front to back long, not side to side long.
Quote from: Aelia on May 24, 2010, 10:06:14 AM
Quote from: Nina Star 9 on May 23, 2010, 09:36:26 PM
I have a non-functioning squirt gun with a cone made of craft foam glued to the business end, all spraypainted blue. Do I still need an orange tip on it, and if so, where would I put the orange tip?
-snip-
I think it's pretty obvious that it's not a real gun, but I just want to be safe. Thanks!
It needs to get tagged. It does not need an orange tip.
Will it need to be bound to a holster? (I will sort of have one, basically just a garter around my leg that I can slip it into, so I'm not sure how it could be bound to that.)
I read in the weapons policy you can't have a prop if your character doesn't exist in a published media.
What does this mean to people who like making custom characters and costumes?
It also says if I buy a weapon from the dealer room to finish my cosplay, I can have it peacebonded. If It doesn't match my cosplay, I have to keep it in the box or bag and take it off the convention floors. Doesn't this seem like a huge loophole?
vampire ninjas jt?
ive been practicing!
i really hope rules are followed by staffers this year and there isnt favoritism, but there usually is...
Quote from: billgoku on May 24, 2010, 01:16:43 PM
I'm sorry but if you read my post it says "In the air" meaning the tip is above my head pointing upward, so I'll rephrase it, its leaning on my chest and shoulder pointing toward the ceiling. This way I could spin in place and not hit anyone. Only thing I may hit is the top of a door frame.
"It's on my shoulder blade in the air" makes it sound like you've got it thrown over your shoulder angled back. If what you mean is more of a vertical position, than I think it's ok.
Quote from: Dany on May 24, 2010, 02:11:46 PM
Hey Aelia,
Referring the email about our weapons that you asked me to resend..I did so a few days or so after you requested (to both rovers at fanime and fanimerovers at gmail), but I've yet to hear a response on it. Should I try to resend again?
Well shoot. I don't know what's happened to it. You can hit me at RoversAelia on AIM or send me a PM and I'll help you with it ASAP.
Quote from: ash_chan on May 24, 2010, 10:15:56 PM
I have a question about costume policy in general.
I've read all the rules for props and weapons, but nothing about restrictions on costumes.
Is there even a written rule sheet for this?
I'd like to go over it before going over my costumes for picking and choosing.
Quote from: ash_chan on May 25, 2010, 07:52:48 AM
Because I have a large (read: long) costume that I brought.
It's mainly for the pokemon gathering, but I wanted to walk on the con floor with it.
I'd probably keep it out of the Dealer's Room, that'd be a hassle, and it wouldn't be out ALL THE TIME, but I do want to show it off.
I worked super hard on this puppy.
I've seen costumes like it before at other cons, so I wasn't thinking when I made it that it might be not allowed at FanimeCon.
But then I realized last night and I figured I'd ask if there were any specific rules.
As long as it covers all of your "naughty bits" and has no risk of slipping, and is not a police uniform, then there are no restrictions I can think of. Basically, as Fanime is a family-friendly event, as long as there are no parents asking us to have you put on more clothing, and we don't have any more skin showing than you might show at the local pool, we'll let it go.
As far as costume size, if you pose a moving hazard, and think that your costume might be a danger, I'd suggest skipping walking around in it. If you feel that you have a way of wearing it that will not mess you up, and wouldn't be a crowd danger, then please, do wear it.
Quote from: aelitameier on May 24, 2010, 10:41:32 PM
I'm cosplaying as Electra from Cowboy bebop for two days at Fanime. My gun prop is plastic, small, un-loaded, and can be zip-tied. Problem is, after reading the guidelines, they said that I need a holster.
Electra doesn't have a holster, and she usually fits her gun in her pocket but I don't have a big enough pocket. I will, however, had a purse/bag with me that I can put it in until I need it for pictures. Would this be okay???
Note, this is my first time EVER at Fanime. Help would be greatly appreciated! :)
Uhh... she wears a belt. We could hook it to that... I can't (strictly speaking) condone carrying it in a bag.
Quote from: Nina Star 9 on May 25, 2010, 10:56:49 AM
Quote from: Aelia on May 24, 2010, 10:06:14 AM
Quote from: Nina Star 9 on May 23, 2010, 09:36:26 PM
I have a non-functioning squirt gun with a cone made of craft foam glued to the business end, all spraypainted blue. Do I still need an orange tip on it, and if so, where would I put the orange tip?
-snip-
I think it's pretty obvious that it's not a real gun, but I just want to be safe. Thanks!
It needs to get tagged. It does not need an orange tip.
Will it need to be bound to a holster? (I will sort of have one, basically just a garter around my leg that I can slip it into, so I'm not sure how it could be bound to that.)
We would need a holster (or to holster it in your garter). Garters are usually pretty easy to put stuff into, and we can probably bond it to that.
Quote from: loner on May 25, 2010, 06:55:51 AM
@aelia
so ive packed my things assuming they all follow under 2010 guideline and rules,
ive ran into problems before with peacebonders who dont follow the exact guidelines themselfs.
So not to cause any problems this year i printed out the rules and highlighted what pertains to my costumes, would this be ok without stepping on any toes if i bought this with me when i get my stuff peacebonded?
Quote from: loner on May 25, 2010, 12:57:21 PM
i really hope rules are followed by staffers this year and there isnt favoritism, but there usually is...
I am willing to work with you, but I'm insulted by the fact that you feel I won't know the weapons policy, and that there is going to be favoritism. However, I'll continue under the theory that the insult was unintentional. If you really feel that it's necessary to bring in a copy of the policy which you've highlighted, please, feel free to do so, but do not expect it to change the outcome.
Quote from: JTchinoy on May 25, 2010, 12:46:31 PM
I read in the weapons policy you can't have a prop if your character doesn't exist in a published media.
What does this mean to people who like making custom characters and costumes?
It also says if I buy a weapon from the dealer room to finish my cosplay, I can have it peacebonded. If It doesn't match my cosplay, I have to keep it in the box or bag and take it off the convention floors. Doesn't this seem like a huge loophole?
If you have a "custom" or "original" character which has been published pre-con on a website or in print or on film -- that is, it's on youtube, or deviantart, or has actually been published by a large retailer then we have a reference of some sort to establish that your character received some forethought and is not merely a result of an impulse-buy and a want to wear your new boken.
I'm not sure what "loophole" you mean, exactly. Say you need a shinai to complete your cosplay. If you are cosplaying a character which carries a shinai, why shouldn't you be able to carry a newly purchased one? If it's not a published character (in some format) we'll assume that your character is the result of an impulse buy, and it won't be peace-bonded.
Is there a Rover here or a representative on the official 2010 weapons policy that can speak to me in personal message or personal email? I'm not sure if my post was visible due to the massive quoting/replying. I'd like to get an inside on if my costume's weapon would be presentable to fanime. Thanks.
Quote from: Aelia on May 25, 2010, 09:16:46 PM
As long as it covers all of your "naughty bits" and has no risk of slipping, and is not a police uniform, then there are no restrictions I can think of. Basically, as Fanime is a family-friendly event, as long as there are no parents asking us to have you put on more clothing, and we don't have any more skin showing than you might show at the local pool, we'll let it go.
As far as costume size, if you pose a moving hazard, and think that your costume might be a danger, I'd suggest skipping walking around in it. If you feel that you have a way of wearing it that will not mess you up, and wouldn't be a crowd danger, then please, do wear it.
No way any Janet Jackson-esque wardrobe malfunctions here! We're as covered up as covered up can be.
We cut out a large viewing hole in the front for visibility and as it's not terribly wide it's not like people wouldn't be able to get around us/we wouldn't block an entire hallway.
Mobility isn't a problem as we have clear spaces for our feet to take steps and not just shuffles that could potentially cause a fall.
Glad to know our hard work won't go to waste. <3
Quote from: Aelia on May 25, 2010, 09:16:46 PM
Quote from: JTchinoy on May 25, 2010, 12:46:31 PM
I read in the weapons policy you can't have a prop if your character doesn't exist in a published media.
What does this mean to people who like making custom characters and costumes?
It also says if I buy a weapon from the dealer room to finish my cosplay, I can have it peacebonded. If It doesn't match my cosplay, I have to keep it in the box or bag and take it off the convention floors. Doesn't this seem like a huge loophole?
If you have a "custom" or "original" character which has been published pre-con on a website or in print or on film -- that is, it's on youtube, or deviantart, or has actually been published by a large retailer then we have a reference of some sort to establish that your character received some forethought and is not merely a result of an impulse-buy and a want to wear your new boken.
I'm not sure what "loophole" you mean, exactly. Say you need a shinai to complete your cosplay. If you are cosplaying a character which carries a shinai, why shouldn't you be able to carry a newly purchased one? If it's not a published character (in some format) we'll assume that your character is the result of an impulse buy, and it won't be peace-bonded.
perhaps my understanding of peacebonding is wrong since it's not my department, but my understanding is the carrying of most weapons that are potentially deadly can't be removed from their packaging and have to be taken to their room. I've always been under the impression weapons from the dealer room like their Bleach replica swords would be considered potentially weapons and have to be taken to rooms. My view is that this creates a loophole to carry weapons sold in the dealer room that would otherwise not be allowed.
As for the custom outfit, my interpretation of that question is that it means people who bring their own props to the con can't have those props if it's for a custom character that isn't published. Since there's preparation for the prop, is this allowed? Given not everyone publicly publishes their planned cosplays/ custom costumes, how will that work out?
I'm not cosplaying, but based solely on the printed weapons policy, these are rather gray areas from my interpretation. The use of props in relation to a custom cosplay is indicating they can't have any props (to the full extent of the definition of a prop) unless it was published, and the term weapons in relation to the dealer room indicates that weapons from the dealer room are allowed as long as it's relevant to your outfit.
So a lot of you know that lolitas usually have umbrellas or cute canes and such, but as I was reading the weapons policy I noticed that it said that yes, umbrellas are alright, but it said nothing about canes even though mine is plastic. Sort of like a magician's cane. I had it last year, but is it okay this year? One part of the policy stated that some things aren't allowed unless it is a published character. ]= I don't publish my lolita clothing. What do I do? Should I just take it to the peace bonding room and ask if it is okay?
So a lot of you know that lolitas usually have umbrellas or cute canes and such, but as I was reading the weapons policy I noticed that it said that yes, umbrellas are alright, but it said nothing about canes even though mine is plastic. Sort of like a magician's cane. I had it last year, but is it okay this year? One part of the policy stated that some things aren't allowed unless it is a published character. ]= I don't publish my lolita clothing. What do I do? Should I just take it to the peace bonding room and ask if it is okay?
@aelia
sorry it wasnt meant to insult you, but past expieriences ive been having seeing how unfair ive been treated the past few years,ive been weary about alot of things....but like i said you have helped us alot! and the reason i wanted to bring a copy regardless if it will change the outcome or not is that as you know some of the other staff members wont follow the rules you made or thats been in the past year comvention.
sorry to insult you it really wasnt intentional, ive worked hard to make these costumes work under fanime rules, i just want the same treatment as any other cosplayers.
Hello again.
I know you are all very busy and I truly hate to be a bother, but I wanted a confirmation on whether I had an acceptable publishing of my character. I was here earlier in the thread and happily had that dilemma solved but I'm afraid that what I've put up for my links may be mistaken for not far enough in development and wanted to make sure that wasn't the case. Although I myself know that she's fully developed, I haven't had a lot of time to draw her out again in full form to show her bottom half much, but I would be fully willing to do so if that's what I need.
Here's what I have:
http://amathera.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d2q57l1
http://amathera.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d2qghju
Do I need another/more?
Thank you so much for your time and all your hard work and effort. :)
Quote from: T-1000 on May 24, 2010, 11:38:48 PM
This year I'm cosplaying as an Angelcore soldier who possess a Luger type gun, if I were to make this out of cardboard and paint it to match exactly like in the anime series, how would I be able to present this into the convention? Please help me out :D
Quote from: T-1000 on May 25, 2010, 10:47:01 PM
Is there a Rover here or a representative on the official 2010 weapons policy that can speak to me in personal message or personal email? I'm not sure if my post was visible due to the massive quoting/replying. I'd like to get an inside on if my costume's weapon would be presentable to fanime. Thanks.
That would be me. If you can show me pictures, this would be a lot easier. I'm not familiar with angelcore.
Quote from: JTchinoy on May 26, 2010, 12:45:08 AM
perhaps my understanding of peacebonding is wrong since it's not my department, but my understanding is the carrying of most weapons that are potentially deadly can't be removed from their packaging and have to be taken to their room. I've always been under the impression weapons from the dealer room like their Bleach replica swords would be considered potentially weapons and have to be taken to rooms. My view is that this creates a loophole to carry weapons sold in the dealer room that would otherwise not be allowed.
As for the custom outfit, my interpretation of that question is that it means people who bring their own props to the con can't have those props if it's for a custom character that isn't published. Since there's preparation for the prop, is this allowed? Given not everyone publicly publishes their planned cosplays/ custom costumes, how will that work out?
I'm not cosplaying, but based solely on the printed weapons policy, these are rather gray areas from my interpretation. The use of props in relation to a custom cosplay is indicating they can't have any props (to the full extent of the definition of a prop) unless it was published, and the term weapons in relation to the dealer room indicates that weapons from the dealer room are allowed as long as it's relevant to your outfit.
If they bought a weapon in the dealer's hall which doesn't meet other peacebonding criteria, then they cannot carry it at con. Sure, it's supposed to be in a box or bag, but there are tons and tons and tons of dealers who ignore this. Regardless, unless it is a weapon which is OK under cosplay rules, then it cannot be carried.
It's not about pictures of your cosplay being posted in advance. It's about having a character which has been published. Having put forethought into your character, rather than being a person who wants to be "an original character" that wears jeans and a t-shirt and carries a katana (regardless of the status of katanas as live steel which cannot be carried anyway).
You're making a loophole where there isn't one, basically.
Quote from: xichisex on May 26, 2010, 01:33:23 AM
So a lot of you know that lolitas usually have umbrellas or cute canes and such, but as I was reading the weapons policy I noticed that it said that yes, umbrellas are alright, but it said nothing about canes even though mine is plastic. Sort of like a magician's cane. I had it last year, but is it okay this year? One part of the policy stated that some things aren't allowed unless it is a published character. ]= I don't publish my lolita clothing. What do I do? Should I just take it to the peace bonding room and ask if it is okay?
Mundane, everyday items like umbrellas and canes are not usually issues (even when paired with lolita costumes). Bring it by for peacebonding.
Quote from: loner on May 26, 2010, 07:02:09 AM
@aelia
sorry it wasnt meant to insult you, but past expieriences ive been having seeing how unfair ive been treated the past few years,ive been weary about alot of things....but like i said you have helped us alot! and the reason i wanted to bring a copy regardless if it will change the outcome or not is that as you know some of the other staff members wont follow the rules you made or thats been in the past year comvention.
sorry to insult you it really wasnt intentional, ive worked hard to make these costumes work under fanime rules, i just want the same treatment as any other cosplayers.
On the one hand, I knew you were not trying to insult me. On the other hand, you also know that you'll be working with me specifically to get peacebound, but you said you were bringing the policy. See where things sound bad?
I understand that you just want to get in and out and be OK to carry your props. I'll see you Thursday night after 5 or so (since I work until 4).
Quote from: Somebody on May 26, 2010, 07:07:51 AM
Hello again.
I know you are all very busy and I truly hate to be a bother, but I wanted a confirmation on whether I had an acceptable publishing of my character. I was here earlier in the thread and happily had that dilemma solved but I'm afraid that what I've put up for my links may be mistaken for not far enough in development and wanted to make sure that wasn't the case. Although I myself know that she's fully developed, I haven't had a lot of time to draw her out again in full form to show her bottom half much, but I would be fully willing to do so if that's what I need.
Here's what I have:
http://amathera.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d2q57l1
http://amathera.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d2qghju
Do I need another/more?
Thank you so much for your time and all your hard work and effort. :)
They look OK. You can take them down now if them being posted makes you feel that uncomfortable. Keep a link to this, instead if you'd rather.
That does constitute a "published character", though I am curious about what prop you intend to carry.
kk sorry, that was meant to be if I didnt get peacebonded by you one of the days. 8-10 costumes im eventually gonna miss you one of those costumes.
and by favoritism, one year i was denied one of my toy guns, they automatically said no airsofts before even looking at it (eventually kaos ok'd it) but the girl behind me had a 8 foot sniper rifle with NO orange tip but they automatically ok'd that because they loved the character from the anime. That was the same year they gave me a hard time about my plush fish, but as far as thursday goes I probably wont be wearing anything that needs peacebonding, so ill see you friday, what time do you start on friday?
Quote from: loner on May 26, 2010, 10:11:41 AM
kk sorry, that was meant to be if I didnt get peacebonded by you one of the days. 8-10 costumes im eventually gonna miss you one of those costumes.
and by favoritism, one year i was denied one of my toy guns, they automatically said no airsofts before even looking at it (eventually kaos ok'd it) but the girl behind me had a 8 foot sniper rifle with NO orange tip but they automatically ok'd that because they loved the character from the anime. That was the same year they gave me a hard time about my plush fish, but as far as thursday goes I probably wont be wearing anything that needs peacebonding, so ill see you friday, what time do you start on friday?
I was initially going to be working mornings, but I'll now be working afternoons. Cassie is morning shift lead, and is a great peace-bonder, who knows the policy as well as I do (that is, she'll be glad to help you, too). I'll be in early afternoon (2pm, I think) officially, but will likely be lurking around all day Friday. People will be able to get ahold of me no matter what time (provided we're not talking 3am, when I will likely be just staggering off to bed).
ok thanks!
ill look for erin or cassie then, better get your rest in now!
Yeah "vertical" is a good word to describe how I tend to carry it unless I'm posing or what not. So I shouldn't have an issue with them trying to bond it to myself I guess. Well I hope because I can't keep buying new props.
I have a wooden flail/nunchuku that I made of dowels and chains. I know they aren't allowed, but what if I zip-tied the chains and dowels together so they won't be able to move around. Will that be permitted?
hey jofran they might say no, especially if the chains are metal? maybe ask the to peace the flail to your waist? maybe?
anways does your sister want to be zombied on sat too?
To Aeila, here's the picture containing my cosplay and weapon
(https://forums.fanime.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg231.imageshack.us%2Fimg231%2F1853%2F11589783.jpg&hash=82cf197b0f77ac6836827350ddb737b857ea8769)
Quote from: loner on May 26, 2010, 02:48:17 PM
hey jofran they might say no, especially if the chains are metal? maybe ask the to peace the flail to your waist? maybe?
anways does your sister want to be zombied on sat too?
aw dangit...i think i'm just gonna take apart the chains and just have the dowels.
and she only wants to be zombified on sunday for the gathering =) thanks!
Quote from: Somebody on May 26, 2010, 07:07:51 AM
Hello again.
I know you are all very busy and I truly hate to be a bother, but I wanted a confirmation on whether I had an acceptable publishing of my character. I was here earlier in the thread and happily had that dilemma solved but I'm afraid that what I've put up for my links may be mistaken for not far enough in development and wanted to make sure that wasn't the case. Although I myself know that she's fully developed, I haven't had a lot of time to draw her out again in full form to show her bottom half much, but I would be fully willing to do so if that's what I need.
Here's what I have:
http://amathera.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d2q57l1
http://amathera.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d2qghju
Do I need another/more?
Thank you so much for your time and all your hard work and effort. :)
They look OK. You can take them down now if them being posted makes you feel that uncomfortable. Keep a link to this, instead if you'd rather.
That does constitute a "published character", though I am curious about what prop you intend to carry.
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Oh, well the "prop" in question was the spurs. They were in the grey matter between prop and costume- or at least that was what I was under the impression of. I won't be carrying anything in the name of props with the costume-she isn't a super trained fighter person. xD I'll leave the art up just in case, just to be safe. :D Thanks!
A friend of mine is confused by a minor contradiction in the .pdf of your weapons policy, between the Prohibited Weapons & Props section and the Fanime Weapons Policy FAQ section.
Quote from: Prohibited Weapons & PropsLive Steel is not permitted. Swords, knives, or other metal objects which have, or could take an edge are defined as live steel, whether sharp or not. Unsharpened steel may be bound into a scabbard and attached to the costume.
Quote from: Fanime Weapons Policy FAQThis was OK last year, what about now? We change rules yearly. This means that what was ok last year may not be allowed this year. Most especially, we're going to be changing rules on Guns and Gun‐like weapons. We require holsters, and they must be peace‐tied into the Holster. They should have the bright orange tip, or something similar which makes them look unrealistic. No metal swords are allowed. No metal blades. No plastic or metal Kunai (without being attached).
Also, as a US Marshall not in costume would I be allowed to carry my weapon? Irrelevant for this year but I will officially be one Wednesday.
squirt guns are ok right? and we are able to pose with them as long as they dont have a trigger and are empty?
i took the trigger out and plastidipped the entire front part red so it looks absolutely fake, i.e the front part of the gun is now just a big blob of red rubber.
Quote from: jchan707 on May 26, 2010, 02:36:15 PM
I have a wooden flail/nunchuku that I made of dowels and chains. I know they aren't allowed, but what if I zip-tied the chains and dowels together so they won't be able to move around. Will that be permitted?
The trouble is that nunchucks aren't really legal in California. In the past we've compromised with people to allow them to carry by doing exactly that. I need to talk to my superiors about it, unfortunately, and see how they feel about continuing that policy. Please, come by the rovers peace bonding station as soon as you're on-site, and I'll hopefully have an answer for you.
Quote from: Somebody on May 26, 2010, 09:55:06 PM
Oh, well the "prop" in question was the spurs. They were in the grey matter between prop and costume- or at least that was what I was under the impression of. I won't be carrying anything in the name of props with the costume-she isn't a super trained fighter person. xD I'll leave the art up just in case, just to be safe. :D Thanks!
In that case, I'll tell you what I told someone else; spurs are OK as long as they are not shaprened spurs, and they will not damage the floor when you walk in them.
Quote from: slvbros on May 27, 2010, 05:32:45 AM
A friend of mine is confused by a minor contradiction in the .pdf of your weapons policy, between the Prohibited Weapons & Props section and the Fanime Weapons Policy FAQ section.
Quote from: Prohibited Weapons & PropsLive Steel is not permitted. Swords, knives, or other metal objects which have, or could take an edge are defined as live steel, whether sharp or not. Unsharpened steel may be bound into a scabbard and attached to the costume.
Quote from: Fanime Weapons Policy FAQThis was OK last year, what about now? We change rules yearly. This means that what was ok last year may not be allowed this year. Most especially, we're going to be changing rules on Guns and Gun‐like weapons. We require holsters, and they must be peace‐tied into the Holster. They should have the bright orange tip, or something similar which makes them look unrealistic. No metal swords are allowed. No metal blades. No plastic or metal Kunai (without being attached).
Also, as a US Marshall not in costume would I be allowed to carry my weapon? Irrelevant for this year but I will officially be one Wednesday.
That wasn't supposed to say unsharpened steel. :( It was supposed to say "metal which cannot take an edge", but MS Word decided it hated me toward the end of that policy and kept crashing, so I misplaced a few changes. So... uhh... unfortunately the second one is the accurate statement. I'll have to fix that on as many copies as I can.
As a US Marshall you would fall into the category of "off duty law enforcement" which means that (I believe) you are authorized to carry concealed just about anywhere. What this means to Fanime is that if you have the proper paperwork; that is, you have proof of your status as a US Marshall, we would ask you to have a quick chat with the on-site SJPD and to behave as would be expected of law enforcement. It is not our intent, nor our job, to deprive actual law enforcement of their weapons.
Quote from: loner on May 27, 2010, 07:37:02 AM
squirt guns are ok right? and we are able to pose with them as long as they dont have a trigger and are empty?
i took the trigger out and plastidipped the entire front part red so it looks absolutely fake, i.e the front part of the gun is now just a big blob of red rubber.
That would be OK.
Thank you for the response
Aelia I was wondering if you received my message with the best possible angle of my cosplay weapon for I need an official verdict before I present this to fanime on Saturday because I have already created and painted it. I just need your final say on whether I can present it, thanks.
I am so somewhat disappointed on the outcome on the rules and regulation.
I was at the peacebonding desk, trying to check in a toy "clear" gun with orange tip, no trigger, no spring and does not shoot BB's. This guy told me that my gun was an airsoft. I tried to explain to him that my gun was on my holster and he pointed the rules and regulation and underlined it right infront of my face that I must abide on the rules. Then he stated this stupidest thing that if I have a "real" firearm that I should have my "real" gun kept inside my holster, WTH so we can get a real hand gun and it should be in the holster most of the time??. Will someone please clarify this??? I think this is stupid and I've seen alot of cosplayers with Assault Riffles with them. What is up with all that?
I just wanted to provide my feedback for this year, based on my experience.
The only time we had props over the course of the day was Sunday afternoon/evening, when we were out as Captain Harlock and Emeraldas. The rover photographed us and was apparent fan of the costumes, but was goodly enough to do his job and request that we be peace-bonded, which I was quite happy to do. We even went to the table as while our cosmo dragoons were easily bound, our sabers were not so much, and I don't think he didn't want to stop up traffic in the area we were in (by Stage Zero) to do that.
The only feedback I could give him was that he made the tension a little tight on my gravity saber, as when I brought it back to our hotel room I found the cup of the saber bent in a fair bit. While this was not a huge problem as the cup bent back out overnight (and with a tiny bit of handworking), it was a little startling when we returned to our hotel room that evening. I think the goal he had was that the saber would not move in the holster, but I don't know if that's the default rule or if they are allowed to leave about an inch of give so that the weapon is locked in, but not taking force.
But that's pretty much all the feedback I could give. He was a very nice guy who apparently had a regard for what we were doing AND was doing his job as he was supposed to. So give him a cookie :)
Now. To get to the thing that is troubling me. We saw a LOT of people inside the convention center possessing weapons that could/should have been bound to their persons, yet were instead only looped with a single tie and otherwise unconnected to them. These were not necessarily big or ungainly props either..as those are things I could completely understand not being hooked to you. I guess I am a bit frustrated that I went through a fair amount of effort to be sure that our props could be peacebound when we were more permanently inside (we were in and out of the center for most of the day), yet others were able to get by with a "peacebinding" of a single ziptie around their weapon. and nothing more. It gives the impression that some Rovers are just saying "OK, just don't flail it about and you're fine" to some, but others are doing full lock-down of the weapon to the owner.
Thanks a bunch Aelia, and to all of you hardworking staff out there!
I had no problems with props being of harm thankfully and no complaints on my spurs, which thankfully are unsharpened and did not damage any flooring since I didn't get that last update.
The only disappointing thing I saw were a few Hetalia cosplayers running around at night whipping their flags all over the place and nearly hitting some poor folks. Not the most respectable thing for a flag either, but the danger is what's more important in this case. :-\
Thanks again ya'll and hope to see you all next year!
This year's experience: I only stopped by once (the other relevant props/weapons I took out only for the Bleach photoshoot and the run back to our room afterwards), earlier today with a wooden jian with a leather-and-wonderflex scabbard. I can't remember the name of the gal who peacebound it for me at Marriott Rovers, but appreciated her care with the blade and her explanation when I was puzzled over her tying it into the scabbard despite what had been said previously here -- and I very much appreciated that the Rovers downstairs at the Gatherings table were not only willing to cut the ties off when I took it outside for my gathering/shoot, but had the equipment to do so. So all in all, for me, it was a good (if limited) experience with peacebonding this year.
Completely seconding what Dany said about the variance in terms of peacebonding, though. I understand that policy does sometimes have to change based on incidents (though I'm still curious as to what specifically caused that), but even taking that into account, it was a little odd to see those inconsistencies.
(I do wish I'd had the chance to bring my giant manta by so he could have collected a Fanime 2010 tie for his tail, to go alongside the 2009 one. Alas, too much rush meant I forgot. :\ )
@aelia
thank you so much for being there for all of us who just wants to follow rules and have fun! your hard work was much appreciated!
im so glad you saw 1st hand what i had to deal with, and im glad you really stuck by your rules you enforced. I hope you are in charge next year!
id like to throw in my 2 cents
when one of my swords attached to a holster on my back wasnt meant to move i.e stitched and hot glued to the actual holster itself was being peacebonded, the peacebonder that was checking the sword pulled it so hard that the sword became UNGLUED just to make sure it didnt "move"....kinda rough with the props...
"wooden swords that did less damage than a boken sword are not to be peacebonded to the sheath" didnt happen....this is where that print out helped me...
and a rover that didnt have a visible badge "handled" my friends toy knife on our way to look for the peacebonding station since it moved from the room i would see you in to the table around the corner....and i do have a picture of the rover who took the knife, he gave it back but he "examined" it before even explaining who he was or what he was doing....he also said whoever peacebonded the squirt gun you personally peacebonded "did it wrong".
other than that im just dealing with the post con blues and i had lots of fun with the exception of having to deal with overzealous rovers that i usually get used to having to deal with.
and was i right? 10 costumes this year 3 costume changes a day! good times!
@somebody
i saw the same ones running around outside hitting people in the head as they chased each other around messing up people's photoshoots.
hug alley never went anywhere, they were there in full force and hugging people with or without consent....i told a 2 rovers and they just let them carry on....oh and the signs being banned? i thought they were....the whole hug thing is getting super old....
Quote from: loner on June 01, 2010, 01:41:41 PM
@somebody
i saw the same ones running around outside hitting people in the head as they chased each other around messing up people's photoshoots.
hug alley never went anywhere, they were there in full force and hugging people with or without consent....i told a 2 rovers and they just let them carry on....oh and the signs being banned? i thought they were....the whole hug thing is getting super old....
Oh my that is awful! I'd really hate to see us be unable to bring flags in the future because of things like this.
And that second point was something I was sad about as well. I understand it is hard to get them all but I am a very uneasy person and having people run up to me and ask me to hug them with signs, shirts, and spoken words is very unnerving-hopefully things will work out better about that next year!
in my opinion it shouldnt be the flags that get banned but the people breaking the rules....ANYTHING can be misused....
Alright, so... here's the deal with feedback from Fanime 2010.
Feedback will be considered for use in the 2011 policy if:- It is intelligent, and offers a suggestion which makes sense.
- It addresses a genuine issue, and is not just an overall complaint.
- It is not just whining; it needs to have a suggestion in it to be considered.
There are no guarantees that feedback can or will be utilized, but we will be doing our best to consider anything which meets the above requirements.
Things which we already plan on addressing:- Rules for swords and guns.
- Sign rules, "Hug Me" Shirts
- Guidelines for costuming; I can guarantee that we will be requiring handlers if you have a costume with limited visibility. We had one-too-many incidents involving people with limited vision running into (and in one case hurting) someone else. What this means is that you will be expected to have someone with you at all times if you have a very large, or a very sight-limiting cosplay.
The timeline: I plan on having the 2011 guide ready to go by the end of July. (It has to be contemplated, re-written, approved by many people, and OK'd by the legal department.)
So please, if you have some feedback, or things which we could possibly consider for 2011, consider the above before posting.
Now, to respond to a few comments from the last few days:Flags were not really an issue; we did have a lot more than we've ever had in the past because of the popularity of Hetalia. They're not going to be banned, nor really limited except by the 8' rule. However,
signs were an issue (as they always are). An awful lot of people wrote up signs which solicited something or another. We tried to be polite-but-firm on those. They will continue to be banned (except in the case that a character actually carries a sign) in 2011.
"Hug Me" Shirts may go the same way as signs, since those ended up being a bit of an issue as well. Every time my shift got notified of a
Hug Line they were told to break it up. Unfortunately, they re-gather just as quick as we can disperse them sometimes. If you find yourself being solicited (or hugged/glomped without permission) and are uncomfortable with it in 2011, please notify a Rover, we will try to deal with it as fast as possible. If you can describe the person who made you uncomfortable, it will make everything much easier. (And if you can get a picture with a camera, it'll be downright simple to take care of it).
Bows were actually an issue, as we had several people come with real compound- and long-bows and actually draw them a few times. One person had both a real bow and a real arrow. Since our policy stated that only bows which had no tension (while strung
or unstrung) could be carried, we had to ask people to put those away.
Lightsabers were a bit of an issue; there are some really lovely ones which are made of glass/plastic with heavy metal handles. Because of the nature of those, we had to ask them to not carry their lightsabers inside.
The biggest issue by far was
stuff people bought in the Dealer's Hall, and they wanted to carry around the convention. Most people did not have costumes, but still wanted to strap their brand-new katana/shinai/boken to their waist and wander around. I may go so far as to get some stupid boxes from work and butcher them for next year, so we have something to stuff their swords into.
Did you guys know that
Balloons are not allowed in the San Jose Convention Center? We just found this one out this year, because our infamous Russell cosplayer was asked by SJCC staff to keep them outside.
I hope we managed to avoid damaging anybody's props, I explained to our rovers that prop-damage would not be tolerated.
Quote from: Dany on May 31, 2010, 04:26:13 PM
Now. To get to the thing that is troubling me. We saw a LOT of people inside the convention center possessing weapons that could/should have been bound to their persons, yet were instead only looped with a single tie and otherwise unconnected to them. These were not necessarily big or ungainly props either..as those are things I could completely understand not being hooked to you. I guess I am a bit frustrated that I went through a fair amount of effort to be sure that our props could be peacebound when we were more permanently inside (we were in and out of the center for most of the day), yet others were able to get by with a "peacebinding" of a single ziptie around their weapon. and nothing more. It gives the impression that some Rovers are just saying "OK, just don't flail it about and you're fine" to some, but others are doing full lock-down of the weapon to the owner.
I really do apologize for this. Unfortunately, while some of our peace-bonders knew what they were doing, and had a care for props/policy, a few of them were just trying to tag-and-go. What this means is that I spent a lot of time trying to figure out who was messing up, and to un-do peace bonds which never should have happened. I've got a plan for 2011 to keep this from happening again.
Quote from: Charis on May 31, 2010, 10:33:30 PM
(I do wish I'd had the chance to bring my giant manta by so he could have collected a Fanime 2010 tie for his tail, to go alongside the 2009 one. Alas, too much rush meant I forgot. :\ )
Come by with your manta in 2011, I may have one or two 2k10 bonds, so I can give you one retroactively. ;)
Quote from: Dany on May 31, 2010, 04:26:13 PM
But that's pretty much all the feedback I could give. He was a very nice guy who apparently had a regard for what we were doing AND was doing his job as he was supposed to. So give him a cookie :)
Rest assured, he got one. :D
Quote from: Aelia on June 02, 2010, 01:15:58 PMDid you guys know that Balloons are not allowed in the San Jose Convention Center? We just found this one out this year, because our infamous Russell cosplayer was asked by SJCC staff to keep them outside.
Wow, that's a new piece of trivia. Silly question, did they say why they were prohibited? Perhaps the trouble it would take to fish them out of the ceiling if they got loose? :) Definitely intriguing, is all.
QuoteI hope we managed to avoid damaging anybody's props, I explained to our rovers that prop-damage would not be tolerated.
QuoteI really do apologize for this. Unfortunately, while some of our peace-bonders knew what they were doing, and had a care for props/policy, a few of them were just trying to tag-and-go. What this means is that I spent a lot of time trying to figure out who was messing up, and to un-do peace bonds which never should have happened. I've got a plan for 2011 to keep this from happening again.
Like I said, my saber kicked back into place by the next day. Hubby made it fairly resilient XD But if the "wiggle room" can be accomodated for next year, that would kick all sorts of butt.
Quote from: Dany on May 31, 2010, 04:26:13 PM
But that's pretty much all the feedback I could give. He was a very nice guy who apparently had a regard for what we were doing AND was doing his job as he was supposed to. So give him a cookie :)
Quote from: Aelia
Rest assured, he got one. :D
Wewt!
Thanks again Aelia! I'll be out of everyone's hair now. :P
Now, this is odd.
Friday, I let my friend borrow my prop riding crop. No where does it say in the policy that riding crops are allowed, seeing as how it's not a flailing weapon. Not to mention, the tip had been replaced with craft foam and black electrical tape that would probably come apart if swung in the air.
The rover we encountered told my friend that the prop absolutely had to be off the convention grounds, or we would have to leave ourselves. Said rover didn't inspect it either, so we thought that was a little harsh with this whole "Put that foam prop away or LEAVE!" attitude. We had just walked onto the convention grounds moments before, so it wasn't like we were wondering around aimlessly for hours with this prop exposed. We weren't even able to make it to the peace bonding table.
Needless to say, we were put off not only by this attitude, but also with the fact that no where in the policy did it say that foam tipped/electrical taped riding crops were allowed.
Quote from: Vasyenka on June 02, 2010, 04:43:31 PM
Now, this is odd.
Friday, I let my friend borrow my prop riding crop. No where does it say in the policy that riding crops are allowed, seeing as how it's not a flailing weapon. Not to mention, the tip had been replaced with craft foam and black electrical tape that would probably come apart if swung in the air.
The rover we encountered told my friend that the prop absolutely had to be off the convention grounds, or we would have to leave ourselves. Said rover didn't inspect it either, so we thought that was a little harsh with this whole "Put that foam prop away or LEAVE!" attitude. We had just walked onto the convention grounds moments before, so it wasn't like we were wondering around aimlessly for hours with this prop exposed. We weren't even able to make it to the peace bonding table.
Needless to say, we were put off not only by this attitude, but also with the fact that no where in the policy did it say that foam tipped/electrical taped riding crops were allowed.
I'm guessing that where you said "were allowed" you meant "were not allowed"? Unfortunately, while it is not explicitly listed under "flail weapons", riding crops have been an issue in the past, and are banned because we got one-too-many displays of spanking and/or smacking with and without permission in the past. Another clause in the weapons policy is that the functionality of the prop is irrelevant. A modified riding crop is still a riding crop, and a nunchuku made of toilet paper tubes and yarn is still nunchuku.
I do apologize for the attitude our rover displayed. Because I was not there, I'm not even going to attempt to justify it except that a lot of us got a lot of attitude and flak from congoers, so he might have just been having a bad moment. One of the things which I really emphasized when training was that politeness was important above all else.
Whoops, not allowed, ha ha sorry.
I think it would be a good idea to include that in next year's policy in that case, because if it's supposedly not in the gray area (which my friends and I assumed since we didn't see it mentioned anywhere in the policy), then it should be outlined so future con goers wouldn't face the same confusion as we did; especially if this has been in issue in the past.
I understand that said rover might've been having a bad moment, and as I stated, we had barely walked onto the convention grounds. Y'know, happy and excited that we just stepped foot onto Fanime, and abruptly we were faced with an attitude regarding an issue that wasn't even outlined in the policy. None the less, what's happened happened~
I believe we should focus on banning certain behavior with props instead of actual props themselves. While for legal reasons you may want to list everything as not allowed, but when it comes to enforcement Rover staff should be a lot more lenient and give discretion to the cosplayer except where inappropriate behavior becomes an issue (play fighting, swinging props, pointing prop firearms towards people, etc.).
Just a quick glance at the Fanime weapons policy attempt to be detailed highlights some flaws:
QuoteGuns and Projectile Weapons are not permitted. Examples include, but are not limited to: live guns, live gun replicas, pellet guns, BB guns, Airsoft guns, paintball guns, dart guns, filled water guns, blow guns, or crossbows. The functionality of the prop is irrelevant.
It says the functionality of the prop is irrelevant, but at the same time it differentiates between filled and empty water guns as well as live guns. The functionality of a bow is taken into consideration, but not that of a crossbow. As I mentioned before, try and explain to me the difference between a modified body kit intended for an airsoft gun and a gutted and deactivated airsoft gun.
If we focused on unsafe behavior instead of specific props, we could enforce rules a lot more evenly. Instead of trying to decide which guns look "too realistic" (a flawed concept anyways in a world where you're as likely to get shot over a wallet or a cell phone), we should simply emplace a rule that states any poses involving firearm props must be pointed to the ground or to the sky, never at people (e.g. never break a 45 degree plane).
Anyways, Rover staff can look for my full write up before the week is out, but I wanted to toss this out here to see what the general populace thinks.
Not sure if this has been mentioned, because what I've seen being mentioned of signs/props refer to those soliciting, etc. But, and I expect to get beaned for mentioning this, but what about the street signs carried by the Durara cosplayers? Outside at the photo gathering they were fine, but I saw someone in the artists' alley carrying one who got stopped for a photo. He actually lifted the sign up in the air in a half swing to pose and nearly hit someone walking behind him! This was late Monday so the room was not that crowded, fortunately. I was walking the other way and didn't say anything, which I should have, but really, if the person HAD been hit, that would have been terrible. Do you think posting signs (sorry) on the doors into the dealers' hall and artists' alley, and other halls cautioning against lifting or raising swords, poles, etc. would help? Either that, or you may have to ban photos and posing in specific areas (AX is like that, the staff is always hovering nearby to tell you where you may and may not take pictures).
Quote from: BunofGovt on June 03, 2010, 09:37:08 PM
Not sure if this has been mentioned, because what I've seen being mentioned of signs/props refer to those soliciting, etc. But, and I expect to get beaned for mentioning this, but what about the street signs carried by the Durara cosplayers? Outside at the photo gathering they were fine, but I saw someone in the artists' alley carrying one who got stopped for a photo. He actually lifted the sign up in the air in a half swing to pose and nearly hit someone walking behind him! This was late Monday so the room was not that crowded, fortunately. I was walking the other way and didn't say anything, which I should have, but really, if the person HAD been hit, that would have been terrible. Do you think posting signs (sorry) on the doors into the dealers' hall and artists' alley, and other halls cautioning against lifting or raising swords, poles, etc. would help? Either that, or you may have to ban photos and posing in specific areas (AX is like that, the staff is always hovering nearby to tell you where you may and may not take pictures).
Strictly speaking, we were allowing the Durara cosplayers, and signs which characters actually carry. This seems to, at some point, been interpreted as absolutely no signs, but it was no signs without a costume to justify.
Awareness of surroundings is something we battle with. I would love to say "no photography in X, Y, or Z places" but the trouble is enforcement. It is worth considering though. *ponder ponder ponder*
just a question for next year: are yoyo's aloud? its kind of big and doesn't work well... ill be lucky to get it to walk the dog... haha but would that be allowed or no? (for a possiblle bridget cosplay from guilty gear)
Quote from: azreale on June 05, 2010, 08:03:13 PM
just a question for next year: are yoyo's aloud? its kind of big and doesn't work well... ill be lucky to get it to walk the dog... haha but would that be allowed or no? (for a possiblle bridget cosplay from guilty gear)
Yo-Yo's fall into that "mundane objects which are not weapons" area, so yeah, it'd be fine.
Or would it count as a "flail" weapon...hmm....
Again, my personal stance is that as long as you can behave like an adult and resist the urge to swing it around your head and remain aware of your surroundings and those nearby, it should be allowed. Just don't go down in Fanime history as "That Bridget that got yo-yos banned"
what about 6.5' tall boomerangs?
Like the one Sango carries?
That would be OK-- it would be an oversize prop we'd expect you to carry vertically.
As of June 18, 2010, we have a new thread for the weapons policy and peace-bonding questions HERE (http://forums.fanime.com/index.php/topic,14641.0.html)
Quote from: Aelia on June 18, 2010, 07:33:58 PM
Like the one Sango carries?
That would be OK-- it would be an oversize prop we'd expect you to carry vertically.
As of June 18, 2010, we have a new thread for the weapons policy and peace-bonding questions HERE (http://forums.fanime.com/index.php/topic,14641.0.html)
yup thats the one. is it alright to hold it horizontally for photos?
Quote from: azreale on June 18, 2010, 10:14:05 PM
Quote from: Aelia on June 18, 2010, 07:33:58 PM
Like the one Sango carries?
That would be OK-- it would be an oversize prop we'd expect you to carry vertically.
As of June 18, 2010, we have a new thread for the weapons policy and peace-bonding questions HERE (http://forums.fanime.com/index.php/topic,14641.0.html)
yup thats the one. is it alright to hold it horizontally for photos?
As long as you verify that you do, in fact, have the space and you're not doing it in the middle of dealer's hall then yeah, that's fine.
I'm locking this thread. The Peacebonding Queen has set up the 2011 thread here:
http://forums.fanime.com/index.php/topic,14641.0.html
Please go there with all your questions, but be sure and read the info provided already in the first 3 posts. I'm sure there is something in there to help answer your question. If not, then post Aelia and she will get back to you wit an answer. All hail the Peacebonding Queen! All hail Rovers! 2011 is shaping up early to help make it even better than 2010!
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