First and foremost, I am not here to bite the hand that feeds me. I'm thankful for the event and enjoyed every minute of it...well almost. There was one situation that did bother me...
During the first three days of Fanimecon, there were a group of girls who were selling various kinds of homemade bread. They would wander the lines and the venues, offering a delicious snack to the hungry. Their proceeds were to go to charity and their prices were extremely fair. "What's so bad about that?", you ask. Nothing. What irks me is their treatment throughout the weeked by various Fanimecon staffers.
First and foremost, how are you going to yell at a 12 year-old to the point where she breaks down and cries? The girl was doing something extremely selfless. I mean, instead of enjoying the festivities, she was trying to provide a public service...at no personal monetary gain.
Also, yes, I understand it's a business and that you probably had an understanding with a food vendor, but even you can't deny that the food was wickedly over-priced. I mean, on one hand, we had some inexpensive homemade baked goods, and on the other, we had generic japanese food and ham sandwiches, both of which were priced with the knowledge that most of their customers would have a decent amount cash on hand. We are there to spend our hard-earned money on anime, manga and toys, not on $3 Cokes and $6 sandwiches.
"By the fans, for the fans" is the slogan you go by, but I really think you guys and gals forgot that when you started picking on the good people who were doing both the fans and charities a great service.
For those of you who actually took the time to talk to the "Bread Maids" and taste the bread made so well by their master chef (no really, she's a chef!), please back me up on this matter. Speak up and at least let the Fanimecon staff know that if the venue was "by the fans, for the fans", then they would ease up next year...or at least turn a blind eye (hint hint hint). Or better yet, offer them a booth =)
In the end, again, I'm not hating, I'm just extremely bothered by that one situation and how it played out.
Thanks for reading, thank you Fanimecon staff, thank you cosplayers and thank you to everyone who made this year's 'Con awesome. Finally, thanks to the woman who made the most awesome melon bread I have ever had.
I remember reading somewhere in the program (or on the site) that people are not to sell things in the hallways at Fanime. Whether the proceeds go to charity or not, the girls you're talking about violated that rule. If they wanted to give to charity, they could have dropped non-perishable food off in the Second Harvest food bins.
Staff may seem harsh at times, but they're working on very little sleep and dealing with some bad behavior on the part of a few attendees. Heck, I was only a volunteer, but by the end of the con I was so sleep-deprived, exhausted, and short-tempered that I could hardly recognize myself.
So, while conceptually I feel for the bread-sellers, they shouldn't be treated any differently than anyone else. The rules are there for a reason, you know? If con food is too expensive for you, then walk down the street for more affordable fare like I and many others did.
I'm of two minds. They definitely should not have been doing that, and they definitely needed to be stopped. But they shouldn't have been made to cry, either.
It's not just the money; there's real liability issues. We can ease up (and I think we should), but turning a blind eye is a huge no-no, and offering them a booth is a near impossibility. When we can't get starbucks to stay open a little longer so that they can get stinking rich off of our members, there's little hope for reason...
Hmm... do you realize what kind of trouble these girls could have gotten the Con in? There are several state and/or county codes, if violated, come with a hefty fines. I have worked/participated in several different craft fairs and even the smallest fair, the food vendor(s) must have a food safety certificate, among other things (and that includes non-profit chartable, too).
On the other hand, it is sad to hear that one did break down and cried. I understand these girls thought they were doing something really cool and charitable but all they had to do was check with the Con first and get clearance (from the Con).
Hopefully, next year if they choose to attend, they will check with the Con first and all will be well. And we’ll have yummy treat to eat, too. :wink:
I really hope that you know that not all staff are as mean as that. We're all volunteers and some of us can't handle the stress as others. It's true that the member was doing a good service, but again, there are rules to be upheld. It's hard to say "well just this once..." then keep the rules rigid for everyone else. If you believe that that particular staffer was being unreasonable, all you have to do is get their badge number and report them to ConOps.
We're trying to put on a con with our own time, using a lot of our own resources, so please try to understand we're doing our best. We're not trying to screw anyone over with prices of things and intentionally treating our members badly. There are a lot of logistics that the members don't see, so please keep that in mind when you criticize us.
If you truly feel that we have done wrong, then please write a calm e-mail with exact evidence of what happened and we'll try to work on it. But remember that we're doing our best, but if you're not satisfied, you don't have to attend Fanime if you dislike our services that much.
That's some well written feedback, StalRizal. Thanks for not being hostile about your complaint.
But, really, the Fanime staff has no choice other than to shut her down. Not only was she violating a whole book of laws, she was taking profit away from the dealer's room, the artist's alley, and all the other food venues around the con. I know it sounds silly, but if we don't have a zero tolerance policy on soliciting, we will start losing dealers and you'll start seeing the live version of spam everywhere. Of course, that's all petty compared to the fact that if the convention center staff were to report us, the fines would be great enough to where FanimeCon would cease to exist.
As for the rudeness... Yeah, it sucks, but let me give you a story to explain to you where we're coming from. You probably saw the chick selling Naruto headbands around the con. Well, I saw her, and I stopped her and gave her a (polite) warning about how she wasn't allowed to do that. She responded with defiance, saying "I'm just cosplaying as a merchant." Then she asked me how she could get a seller's permit to sell those, and when I told her, she accused me of lying and stormed off. Later on, I found out she was still selling the wares, even after being warned by multiple other staff and dealers. At one instance, she even named me and said that I told her it was OK to sell it. And she even had the nerve to sit down at an empty table in the Dealer's room and act like a dealer. All she had to do was pay ten bucks and no one would've bothered her in the Artist's Alley, but instead, she wasted hours of the staff's time and tested their patience to the limit.
So, in short, some of the staff get a little tired of it and their temper might get short. Still, their actions are in no way justified, and if you took down the staff member's badge number, they would be reprimanded.
No wonder I didn't see them again after the first 2 days. Honestly, I was in the artist alley the whole time and it was my first con. Those bread maids REALLY helped out us starving artists who couldn't get up from their seats and get food.
I thought that those bread maids were cute, but I understand where the Fanime con staff members are coming from, because well, even if they did mean well, it is a liability. Also, by letting them continue to sell, even if it was for a good cause, it could cause the people in the artists alley, or the dealer's room, where they actually payed for a booth to feel unfair, and possibly get pissed off enough to not come back next year, and that would be a very bad thing.
I read my program guide. Page 23, item 7 says, "No selling food within the convention center or the hotels except those food services that have been cleared by Fanime. A written agreement will be provided to the head of facilities along with a sales permit and business license prior to the starting of such operations." I agree it's really nice what the bread maiden was doing, but for the program guide to say something like that, there's probably some unreasonably strict laws or major legal problems involved in selling food.
I wonder if there are loopholes in which she could give away the food for free and then accept small tips from those who feel like donating a little something in return? There can't possibly be rules against voluntarily giving away food or money, can there?
x: well im half on half on this, to me the bread maiden did a generous thing by offering tasties to us all :3 (even though i never bought any D: )
but then there is a saftey issue and its the con policy not to sell food unless its cleared by fanime. since one may never know if the food could cause something hazardous to another person. Im not saying the bread maiden would ever do that but its just a percaution incase something like that does happen.
x: and maybe the staff that yelled at her was cranky that day since they get very little sleep.
Quote from: "Kazuko"and maybe the staff that yelled at her was cranky that day since they get very little sleep.
I wasn't there, so I have no idea if the staff person was out of line or not, but as a girl, I find it possible that there was just no way for any staff person, no matter how nice, to say no without evoking tears.
If I were the bread maiden, I think I would've cried no matter how nice the Fanime staff person was trying to be. After pouring her soul into making the bread that she wants to share, after all the effort that went into planning out and preparing everything, after all that hard work is over and before people get to enjoy the fruits of her labor, she's told that it can't happen. All the excitement over the great idea, all the anticipation, all that work... all wasted, all squashed. No matter how nicely the staff member tried to phrase it, they still have to say no, and that's gotta hurt. A lot. I'm not the bread maiden, and even
I'm ready to cry just thinking about it. ;_;
I don't know if there was any way for things to have worked out well. If the give-away/accept-tips loophole would've worked, maybe a third party passing by could've suggested it, but it would make sense that Fanime staff can't exactly suggest loopholes themselves. In the end, when something reaches the size of Fanime (I heard there were 10,000 attendees?), there has to be rules because laws go into effect. Something like the bread maiden would've worked well for a 30-person anime club gathering in a park or something, but Fanime is well past that point.
I suppose she could have given bread to people who had donated a certain amount of money.
Hey, if it's loopholes you want, I'll look for them :twisted:
Loop holes in rules are not hard to find at all.
Quote from: "Chevi"Those bread maids REALLY helped out us starving artists who couldn't get up from their seats and get food.
Not to mention helping out starving photographers who are all over the convention center taking pictures who couldn't leave to get food. :oops: To TJ and Michelle, your delish ham & egg & cheese sandwich saved myself and Lionel from starving after a busy Friday up to that afternoon! *hug*
The next is a cheap way of saying why the laws there.----->yes as soon as you Charge for a item, the owner of the land your standing on wonders where's my share of that money. So to stop others from making money on your land. you say no selling unless you have a permet. that way the owner gets money. <--thats the basic red neck way of stating it... But if they where free then i dont belive there is any legal Problem of food. and if there is. it would be on the one taking it. not giving. For the one giving it had it untill it was out of the hands. but when the person receving it has it, he/she can pick to hold it or eat it. then the center can get you for having eating outside food inside the building. I dont care about the laws that are all about Making Money because we made a law saying thats how it should be.<--- thats just me though.... I do hope everyone liked the free Chessbergers and Mc checkens i gave out at the con. it was about 11:30 at night.
since the matter has been discussed as seen above
i think we should think about how things like this can be prevented in the future.
i personally believe and think fanimecon should be a closed event. you pay to get in and you pay to enjoy all the festivites.
most of you probably noticed, but you could enjoy practically the ENTIRE con, except for the major events, dealers room, game room and artist room. most if not all viewing rooms and panels were un guarded by staff. except for hentai nights. everything else was accessable to the PUBLIC. i had people who weren't registered at the con in a viewing room asking me, what type of convention this was. O_O
I am sure these girls who sold bread were registered. So maybe in the future you can post the RULES on the pre-registration paper that everyone needs to bring. and /or make them read it. thus if something like this happens and someone is obviously breaking a rule (wether for a good cause or not) the staff will have the appropriate authority to deal with it.
i do feel bad for the girl that ended up crying. I dont know what went on and/or what talk would have prompted her to cry but none the less i am very sure there was a massive miscommunication, the staff that handled the situation probably was un-informed and didn't know how to correctly and nicely deal with such situtation. there are city rules for handing out food i hear. and neither of them probably knew that.
There was someone else selling something (non-edible, don't remember what it was)... And that's exactly what they did. They changed their sign from "Selling ___ for $x" to "___ for free, tips appreciated."
But, the problem is, you can't do that with food. You need a permit from the city to give away, sell, handle, or otherwise get anywhere near someone else's food. Even if she was giving them away for free, we would have to shut her down. Besides, there's no way she would make money, because otakus are cheap and would never donate, they'd just take for free :P
Those adorable bread sellers...
With the yummy noodle rolls...
Were...
being....
Mistreated??????
:: gets pissed off and turns super saiyan ::
There is one thing I do not tolerate, and that is cruelty to defenseless girls!!!
I'm going to raise high hell with the staff at the next meeting...and nobody's gonna stop me from making sure they get indicted for harrassment, verbal child abuse, and Guro pushing!
Quote from: "milkmandan"since the matter has been discussed as seen above
i think we should think about how things like this can be prevented in the future.
i personally believe and think fanimecon should be a closed event. you pay to get in and you pay to enjoy all the festivites.
most of you probably noticed, but you could enjoy practically the ENTIRE con, except for the major events, dealers room, game room and artist room. most if not all viewing rooms and panels were un guarded by staff. except for hentai nights. everything else was accessable to the PUBLIC. i had people who weren't registered at the con in a viewing room asking me, what type of convention this was. O_O
I am sure these girls who sold bread were registered. So maybe in the future you can post the RULES on the pre-registration paper that everyone needs to bring. and /or make them read it. thus if something like this happens and someone is obviously breaking a rule (wether for a good cause or not) the staff will have the appropriate authority to deal with it.
i do feel bad for the girl that ended up crying. I dont know what went on and/or what talk would have prompted her to cry but none the less i am very sure there was a massive miscommunication, the staff that handled the situation probably was un-informed and didn't know how to correctly and nicely deal with such situtation. there are city rules for handing out food i hear. and neither of them probably knew that.
This should probably go in another thread, but I agree that I don't feel that the $45 really went towards much of anything besides access to the dealers room and AMV contest (for me).
Quote from: "kam_islash"Those adorable bread sellers...
With the yummy noodle rolls...
Were...
being....
Mistreated??????
:: gets pissed off and turns super saiyan ::
There is one thing I do not tolerate, and that is cruelty to defenseless girls!!!
I'm going to raise high hell with the staff at the next meeting...and nobody's gonna stop me from making sure they get indicted for harrassment, verbal child abuse, and Guro pushing!
i am not a staff member, but i understand how things work and maybe the process of accepting GOOD staff members should be a little more watched over instead of just accepting anyone that wants to be staff.
perhaps maybe an interview with higher standards? i see a lot of people become staff for events like these..yes they are fans but as a person, do they really have the ability to respectfully represent FanimeCon as a business and not just a bunch of fan people working together.
i realize my posts dont add to the fuel and/or try to explain what happened, but rather my posts are geared towards correcting a problem that might occur again in the future.
This thread is probably not the right place, but oh well, i'll add it to the feedback thread later.
Quote from: "milkmandan"
i am not a staff member, but i understand how things work and maybe the process of accepting GOOD staff members should be a little more watched over instead of just accepting anyone that wants to be staff.
perhaps maybe an interview with higher standards? i see a lot of people become staff for events like these..yes they are fans but as a person, do they really have the ability to respectfully represent FanimeCon as a business and not just a bunch of fan people working together.
Uhm, I thought Staff people *DO* go through a process where they are reviewed for their qualifications as someone who is on staff. Volunteers on the other hand, are just 'you wanna volunteer? Ok, Here you go!"
But now that I think of it, I didn't really see people with a volunteer badge this year, just staff.
I do know from the past when I was thinking about helping out with staff I was asked to actually submit a resume that showed my qualifications...
Quote from: "milkmandan"since the matter has been discussed as seen above
i think we should think about how things like this can be prevented in the future.
i personally believe and think fanimecon should be a closed event. you pay to get in and you pay to enjoy all the festivites.
most of you probably noticed, but you could enjoy practically the ENTIRE con, except for the major events, dealers room, game room and artist room. most if not all viewing rooms and panels were un guarded by staff. except for hentai nights. everything else was accessable to the PUBLIC. i had people who weren't registered at the con in a viewing room asking me, what type of convention this was. O_O
The video rooms cannot check for badges because then it would be as if we we are charging people to be able to watch anime/movies. Video Programming is a free event. It is especially good because parents and grandparents go to Fanime with their children/grandchildren. Not all of them want to pay for a badge when they won't be using it, so they hang around the video rooms. I saw quite a few grandparents browsing through the Asian Film rooms and having a good time.
Even though the video rooms don't check for badges, Fanime is still worth it for its events. Dealer's room, MusicFest, Masquerade, Gaming Room, etc. So for those who got their badges, I hope you enjoyed your time at Fanime, and I hope to see you again next year! :D
I think it's stupid to say "to represent Fanime as a business" which is EXACTLY why that girl was made to cry!! Fanime is NOT a business...it is a CONVENTION. It's there to provide fun and service to the Fans. It should be done by those who hold a deep love not only for Anime.....but for the things that come with....such as us acting stupid....or giving people glomps. I heard from one staff member that certain other staff members "Hate people acting stupid/silly and rough housing". By rough housing I mean glomps. :evil:
Quote from: "yOna"The video rooms cannot check for badges because then it would be as if we we are charging people to be able to watch anime/movies. Video Programming is a free event. It is especially good because parents and grandparents go to Fanime with their children/grandchildren. Not all of them want to pay for a badge when they won't be using it, so they hang around the video rooms. I saw quite a few grandparents browsing through the Asian Film rooms and having a good time.
Even though the video rooms don't check for badges, Fanime is still worth it for its events. Dealer's room, MusicFest, Masquerade, Gaming Room, etc. So for those who got their badges, I hope you enjoyed your time at Fanime, and I hope to see you again next year! :D
yeah you hold a good point..
a place for the older folk and other people to enjoy festivities for free while they bring their little kids to the con.
this is good, i didn't see this point, but as a member, it would be nice if certain panels and special viewing rooms were available to us.
like maybe a special viewing rooms dedicated to non-licensed anime. or specific panels. i dont know. i loved Fanime Con and it was worth the $45 dollars, but i felt that if i didn't spent $45 and just came here, i could've almost had the same amount of fun.
Quote from: "ip136"
Uhm, I thought Staff people *DO* go through a process where they are reviewed for their qualifications as someone who is on staff. Volunteers on the other hand, are just 'you wanna volunteer? Ok, Here you go!"
But now that I think of it, I didn't really see people with a volunteer badge this year, just staff.
I do know from the past when I was thinking about helping out with staff I was asked to actually submit a resume that showed my qualifications...
yeah i'd like to see all staff one time too, but its impossible. voluteers are always needed..
well obviously this event happened cuz one staff was being a little harsh.. its only one case. But i am sure if some other staff was the one to talk to the little girl, the result would've been different. srsly.
Quote from: "Ayanami Rei First Child"I think it's stupid to say "to represent Fanime as a business" which is EXACTLY why that girl was made to cry!! Fanime is NOT a business...it is a CONVENTION. It's there to provide fun and service to the Fans. It should be done by those who hold a deep love not only for Anime.....but for the things that come with....such as us acting stupid....or giving people glomps. I heard from one staff member that certain other staff members "Hate people acting stupid/silly and rough housing". By rough housing I mean glomps. :evil:
eh..yes that is the intention...a convention is for fun...but seriously. Tell me Fanime Con is a non profit organization that makes absoulety NO revenue what so ever. They live by the skin of their teeth and cut it close to a few dollars every year just to get a convention center for 4 days and invite a whole mess of people and events to go on?? I dont think so. Maybe a business is a bad word, but organization is a proper word.
as quoted
Quote from: "Ayapon"The reality is that FanimeCon is made up of more than 1 person. In fact, it is not just fans (both staff and attendees). It is also made up by staff of the hotels, of the convention center, of the city and state, and by the law enforcement officials that get called out to be on site for certain instances.
agreeing with Ayapon...is hilton and marriot NOT a business? Please...
the fandom is there, i agree with you when you say, it is done by people who hold a deep love for anime and other things. But these people enjoy it, but they dont pay for the entire con just by their wallet. Why do you think there is a registration fee? Why do you think they charge vendors to come set up a booth? If it were purely a fan based convention there would be no costs in anything, except for goods.
Quote from: "Ayanami Rei First Child"I think it's stupid to say "to represent Fanime as a business" which is EXACTLY why that girl was made to cry!! Fanime is NOT a business...it is a CONVENTION. It's there to provide fun and service to the Fans. It should be done by those who hold a deep love not only for Anime.....but for the things that come with....such as us acting stupid....or giving people glomps. I heard from one staff member that certain other staff members "Hate people acting stupid/silly and rough housing". By rough housing I mean glomps. :evil:
You're right, Fanime isn't a business...it is a convention. But in order to run, it has to follow the rules. Those girls meant no harm when selling the bread...but they must understand that they cannot go around selling without permission or withour the right certificate. My mom and myself used to have a stand at the Farmer's Market...and boy it' was some work getting the permit. They have laws for that because...example scenario: Let's say that people were selling muffins and baked goods. What if somehow it spoiled on the way? What if they made it in unsanitary conditions? What if someone ate it and claimed it made them sick? It would be that seller and Fanime getting into trouble...because their product was sold on Fanime's property. In order to avoid that ugly scene...Fanime does need to be strict. Not as far to make someone cry...but selling food without a permit is a BIG nono.
Fanime also provided a "Food Map" so fellow con-goers can enjoy some yummy food while having plenty of money for the Dealer's Room and etc. I had some awesome Indian food just a couple of blocks away...and a yummy burrito place not to far either. If you don't want to spend the money for convention food...I'd say do a little walking and get your money's worth. ^__________^ v
Or if possible, bring your own food
I'm one of the CosMaid bread girls and helped organize/put together the event (or stunt, if you prefer) at Fanime. I take full responsibility for what happened at the convention being the oldest member of the club and a long time Fanime supporter. Thank you to everyone who helped our club members by donating and sticking up for us, on this board even!! We are so grateful for all of you.
We are a small club of around 35 members with a lot young junior high & high school kids and families. Many of our members have been saving up $$$ for Fanime, but this year Fanime raised its admission prices, so many of the kids fell short and some simply could not afford it no matter what the price. We thought it would be a great idea to help the kids and Fanime by getting some donations to help pay for their registration fee and reimburse some of the lower income family's travel / food expenses. Our club has no fees is completely non-profit and hopes to teach members more about anime/manga, Japanese culture and we're VERY big on cosplay!!!
Of course, what we did was ill-conceived and planned, so for that I would like to publically apologize to the Fanime Convention and staff if we have caused any problems or offend anyone. That was really not our club's intention as many of you know. I've been attending Fanime for the last 10 years and know how difficult it is to have cheap foods readily available for the fans during all hours of the day or night. We merely thought it would be a great service to the fans, artists, dealers and staff alike.
I have actually attempted to contact Fanime Con staff prior to the convention regarding selling food, but was referred to the Convention Center management and told thay they have the final word on such matters. The Convention Center Management were evasive about whether we could sell the food through them as an outside vendor (they had a sushi seller at the convention and we were hoping to obtain the same permission) and basically gave me the run around. In the end, the Convention Center Managerment said that they would let us know their decision, but I followed up many times, with no answer forthcoming. I decided with Fanime so close that we would just take the initiative and try it out for this year.
In regards to one of the younger girls crying, it was inevitable I suppose. She was really frighten when we got "pulled over" by the staff and given several stern warnings. I have to defend the staff at this point, they were very professional towards us. (We even gave them some bread at this point to try out which they enjoyed as well) The young girl with me had spent considerable time before the con helping with the bread making and packaging and was really looking forward to helping out. It just made her feel like all her hard work was for nothing. She was crying because she thought she was doing a good thing, but instead got "yelled" at for it.
After the discussions, we decided to stop because we didn't want to cause any trouble for Fanime. Our club supports and honors what Fanime stands for so we wanted to do as much as we can to comply by their rules and regulations.
For all these things it is mainly my fault for poor planning and not getting things cleared away before hand. Next year, if we still decide to do more bake goods, I will definitely have permits squared away beforehand as well as notifying Fanime Board and staff of our intentions and obtaining permission.
Thanks again for all your support and understanding. Please e-mail me personally if you have ANY questions or comments. I am open to any critism / advice regarding this matter.
-Yuuki (
[email protected])
Thanks for posting that, Yuuki. It certainly helps clear a lot of things up and puts things in perspective. Fanime did what they had to do, but at least it's more clear that they weren't as big as ogres about it as some have made it out to be earlier in the thread.
Kudos for how you're handling the issue, Yuuki. It takes a lot to accept responsibility for what's happened and to see that things are handled better in the future, and that's to be admired.
Yes, thank you for posting to clear up any misunderstandings, Yuuki.
Just remember folks...
FanimeCon staffers: We're really not...(wait, wait, wait :oops:)...They're really not that mean!
:twisted:
That was an awesome response Yuuki.
You have gained exceptional respect for that. Down flat for clearing things up.
I will definately support you when you come around again next year!
Yay! I hope you get to have your own booth as I will DEFINATELY be a supporter! There were quite a few things I really wanted to try!
Quote from: "Tony"I'm of two minds. They definitely should not have been doing that, and they definitely needed to be stopped. But they shouldn't have been made to cry, either.
It's not just the money; there's real liability issues. We can ease up (and I think we should), but turning a blind eye is a huge no-no, and offering them a booth is a near impossibility. When we can't get starbucks to stay open a little longer so that they can get stinking rich off of our members, there's little hope for reason...
I know this is a bit of a change of subject, but what's with Starbucks anyway? They weren't open at the times they posted the entire time I stayed there! I did walk to McDonalds but it wasn't very good fare either and I couldn't find anything else affordable within a reasonable walking distance. ~`~
I dunno about starbucks, exactly. As a business owner, I would milk the opportunity--why not?--and stay open 24 hours for major events, fanime included.
But speaking as a waiter, hell if I'm going to serve coffee all day. No extra hours coming from me!
Whatever the case, they have a reason, and I'm sure it's a good one. Let's just keep reminding them, and perhaps they will extend their hours.
Quote from: "Tony"I dunno about starbucks, exactly. As a business owner, I would milk the opportunity--why not?--and stay open 24 hours for major events, fanime included.
But speaking as a waiter, hell if I'm going to serve coffee all day. No extra hours coming from me!
Whatever the case, they have a reason, and I'm sure it's a good one. Let's just keep reminding them, and perhaps they will extend their hours.
True about being a business owner and I understand a waiter not waiting any longer than necessary, but what I don't understand is why Starbucks would post times to be open and as a business not be able to keep those hours as any true business should? Maybe employees were sick??? Don't know, just know that it was irksome.
If their hours were changed for the Fanime, I would hope, as professionals, that they would post the new hours so there wouldn't be lines of impatient customers waiting outside. Sorry about griping. I'm actually not even a coffee drinker. I just got tired of burgers and wanted muffins or breakfast scones for a change. ^-^