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well I honestly can't see how they could really expand on the drum kit for the game. Especially given the size of the game from what I've heard. (though I do think there should be a hi ha) It looks like they're putting a ton of effort in the game, But I wonder if enough people will fully take advantage of the game. Given it's probably going to cost more then the average game for just one controller for one portion of the game; let alone all controllers for all games. I'm also wondering what the difficulty of the game will be like.
Quote from: "Zerocide"well I honestly can't see how they could really expand on the drum kit for the game. Especially given the size of the game from what I've heard. (though I do think there should be a hi ha) It looks like they're putting a ton of effort in the game, But I wonder if enough people will fully take advantage of the game. Given it's probably going to cost more then the average game for just one controller for one portion of the game; let alone all controllers for all games. I'm also wondering what the difficulty of the game will be like.
Agreed. If they're claiming that you could sit down at a real set and play the same song, the difficulty must be as hard or slightly less hard than the actual song.
As for the hi-hat thing, I'm sure that Harmonix and EA aren't dumb enough to ignore that. I'm assuming that the person being interviewed just said something wrong or maybe there's something that we didn't see.
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This thread..
(https://forums.fanime.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fgigapress.com%2Fb%2F117130175916603596.jpg&hash=c3aca96965e6c935b8c64dfa9ea132c296cc9824)
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I think I'll pass and wait for the much improved sequel, "High School Band". I can't wait to play the flute in that one!
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Def Jam series != Music Games.
*shrugs* I think it's funny how so many people are on the "no hi-hat?!" bandwagon when there's not a single trace of
anyone saying that there wouldn't be a hi-hat on that article. Honestly, you can trash EA all you want but I think that they're smart enough to remember to put the hi-hat on the drum part of the game.
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Rock Band != DrumMania
Stop crying. It's not like you or your kind wanted to like this game in the first place.
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Saying "four pads" isn't a trace of "no hi-hat".
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I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that one of the "cymbals" could be the hi-hat. I'm sure that you are aware that the hi-hat is a cymbal type right?
Sidenote: You go to Bemanistyle for Rock Band news? LOL!
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PSSST: On drums... there is a hi-hat on the left and the right side.
JUST TO MAKE SURE...
:::walks into my roommates room:::
Yeah... Hi-hat on both sides. it's more important that the Snare be on the left side, of right handed players. Realistically though, a real drum set should be symmetrical... as a player should be using both hands to play each drum where appropriate. Same reason why real drummers use a double base, not no pussy ass single bass shit.
I've never heard of that before... must be a more... virtuoso type setup.
Obviously, the only solution is to place sensors on a real drum kit and base a game off of THAT!
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I also said that one of the "cymbals" could be a hi-hat. So I'm pointing out that while he didn't say where the hi-hat is, we could assume that one of the pads used for "toms" or "cymbals" could be the hi-hat (as the hi-hat is a cymbal type).
Oh wait.
A new challenger appears! (http://www.mapleofsyrup.com/fanime/ohwaittheresahihatrightthere.jpg) One detail that was left out of the original article... "...although when needed the yellow will almost always double as the high hat..." Note that the kit isn't finalized so if you're able to move the yellow button above the red one, that would make it really close to how an actual "right-handed" drum kit is.
This is where I laugh at everyone that was/is on the "OMG EA IS SO STUPID FOR NOT INCLUDING HIHAT!" bandwagon. ;)
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Wrong again. The hi-hat is a type of cymbal... I guess they don't teach you that on Drummania/Drumscape.
http://www.drumjunction.com/cymbal_types.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-hat
I know teachers that would have thrown you out of class for saying something like that.
[Edit: A 'cymbal' isn't determined by what noise is made when you hit on it. They "consist of thin, normally round plates of various cymbal alloys" and aren't always loud (I've played jazz songs that have required me to play the ride cymbal really softly).]
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I'd like to quote myself again-
QuoteIt's not like you or your kind wanted to like this game in the first place.
QuoteWhether they're called that same thing in class, or in theory, or on a website, really does not matter to me.
So how do you determine what a hi-hat is then? By saying that the definition does matter to you is a complete cop-out. Just say that you were wrong and move on.
QuoteIn playing drums, the simple fact is, 99% of the time in MOST MUSIC (read; all of the music that will be on this game, most likely), you do not keep the beat with the "cymbals", you keep it with the "hi-hat", and the hi-hat has a lot more versatility than a cymbal does due to the hi-hat having a pedal.
99% is completely too high. Maybe 99% of the music
you play has the beat kept on the hi-hat (DM != all music), but the (warning: new cymbal type) ride cymbal can be used to keep the beat. Jazz, much? Of course not, that doesn't exist in the 99% of the DM world.
QuoteMy main point is, the game says "you can sit down at a drumset and play these tracks if you can play them on expert", and if you have four drumpads, with a constantly changing hi-hat/tom/cymbal, over three different drums, with your hi-hat on your right side (which as was mentioned before, is on probably less than 10% of drumsets) this claim is FALSE.
We don't know if the game will change them on the fly or if it's a per-song basis. Congrats on assuming again; the rest of us can assume (based on your past assumptions) that you are wrong.
QuoteNot going to argue my point anymore; Harmonix/EA just needs to add one more drumpad. Anything less is just pointless, a waste of time, and will not be anywhere *near* a realistic drum experience that they're touting.
DM has four pads and a pedal and you always play that (infact, you've spent the past few FanimeCons doing nothing but playing DM)... I guess DM must be a "pointless, waste of time". ;) Also, I've seen many drummers play DM and then go on to learn the real songs (I'm referring to DM's covers of actual songs) in a quick amount of time.
And of course, when people come into your thread and prove you wrong, you're "not going to argue [your] point anymore". BTW, what was your point again?
QuoteThis means there's no hi-hat on your left, or ANYWHERE on the set, which basically takes out one of the fundamentals of drums. This would be like having a guitar controller with just buttons and nothing to strum.
This is also going to make it *extremely* hard to play some songs, because the hi-hat regulates rhythm for not only the drummer but generally everyone in a band environment (in most songs that will be in this game, mainstream rock stuff).
But I mean come on, this should just be common sense. Take out one of the toms, or SOMETHING; the hi-hat NEEDS to be in there.
So you wanted to have a hi-hat somewhere on the drum setup...
QuoteHarmonix/EA just needs to add one more drumpad. Anything less is just pointless, a waste of time, and will not be anywhere *near* a realistic drum experience that they're touting.
...but now you want them to add one more drum pad?
Uhm... hey... uh... call me crazy... but... uhm...
The point of the Hi-hat isn't to keep the rhythm... the point of the drums are to keep the rhythm. The drummer dictates the tempo/pace of the song, and any part of the drum can be used as the rhythmic base. Each part of the drums is the individual sound you want to make, but each part is conjoined to keep rhythm. Hi-hat keeps rhythm just as much as the wood block(even though you'd probably use a hi-hat more). It's based on the song... Some songs are primarily snare, in which case the snare would... Some songs are cymbal based and the rhythm is primarily kept with the cymbal.
PS: My roommate laughed at almost every single one of your posts, yes he is a drummer and has been for the last 8 years.
Geez... it sounds like you're trying to dictate music and how a DRUMMER IS SUPPOSED TO PLAY... despite not being a drummer.
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So because I forget that DM has five pads instead of four (which, I'll admit that you're correct) negates all of my posts?
The point is that you don't know anything on this game except what was (poorly) typed up on that NeoGAF (and cross-posted on Bemanistyle) and have assumed most of what will be in the game.
DM has drum pads yes, because *gasp!* it's imitating an electronic drum set. If it was a real drum set, I would have said "hi-hat, snare drum, etc."
I just love reading people like you post about games where you have no clue what's going on (from creating the game to the final produce) and just like to complain and bicker about everything.
PSS:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=g4ExR4QMaxc
Yoshiki doesn't like the hi-hat very much. But then again, X-Japan has never been in Drummania(kukuku) so it doesn't count as rock music... which apparently is totally based on the hi-hat to keep it's rhythm.
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OH YAY, you replied...
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Wow you sound like you don't know crap for someone who plays the drums(once more, my roommate laughs at you)
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Bull... why?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7KW6ucyYuvo
That was the first song I thought of, and hey hey, he barely uses the hi-hat at all except for the transition near the end.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eJJgM23gLh8
Song doesn't even have a Hi-hat, because he uses an open hat-cymbal instead.
WOW, THE FIRST TWO SONGS I COULD THINKEDED OF'D DOESN"T HAS THE USINGS OF THE HI-HATS!
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Oh ho, you apparently don't listen to X-Japan.
Man... also, Drummania is a terrible game. Why? There's only 5 PADS... And where's my selector device on my electric drum set?!?!?!? I should be able to switch my cymbal types as well as change in between different toms!
WHERE'S MY 2nd AND 3RD DAMNED FOOT PEDAL... MY DAMNED HI-HAT SHOULD HAVE A GOD DAMNED FOOT PEDAL LIKE A REAL DRUMSET!!!! AND WHERE IS MY GOD DAMNED DOUBLE BASS!
DRUMMANIA IS TRASH... ONLY RETARDS WILL PLAY IT!
wow.
where's the fire extinguisher when you need one, 'cause this thread is flamin'!
:lol:
...i'll wait until I see an official press release from EA/Harmonix on Rock Band, then i'll make up my mind.
If this game ends up not utilizing a hi-hat, I don't think the average joe and his 10 year old are going to notice or care.
Quote from: "gmontem"If this game ends up not utilizing a hi-hat, I don't think the average joe and his 10 year old are going to notice or care.
The average joe tends to only think that a drum set contains a hi-hat, bass drum, a snare drum, and maybe a pair of tom-toms.
Not having the hi-hat is completely out of the question for a game of this caliber (that is, a game that they're trying to make as realistic as possible). Considering the popularity of music games in the US, now that Guitar Hero and MTV have shown how popular music games can be.
this is why i wait for official news/press releases.
this link will end the hi-hat debacle(for now...)
RB guitar, mic, and drumkit (http://kotaku.com/gaming/peripherals-to-rock-with/rock-bands-drumkit-and-microphone-271777.php)
if you don't feel like checking the link, i'll just say it:
Quotealthough when needed, the yellow pad will almost always double as the high hat.
Quote from: "otakuapprentice"this is why i wait for official news/press releases.
this link will end the hi-hat debacle(for now...)
RB guitar, mic, and drumkit (http://kotaku.com/gaming/peripherals-to-rock-with/rock-bands-drumkit-and-microphone-271777.php)
if you don't feel like checking the link, i'll just say it:
Quotealthough when needed, the yellow pad will almost always double as the high hat.
I posted that on the first page.
Quote from: "MPLe"Oh wait. A new challenger appears! (http://www.mapleofsyrup.com/fanime/ohwaittheresahihatrightthere.jpg) One detail that was left out of the original article... "...although when needed the yellow will almost always double as the high hat..." Note that the kit isn't finalized so if you're able to move the yellow button above the red one, that would make it really close to how an actual "right-handed" drum kit is.
BAWWWWWWWW
Quote from: "otakuapprentice"wow.
...i'll wait until I see an official press release from EA/Harmonix on Rock Band, then i'll make up my mind.
agreed.
Wow. Had no idea a war was a'ragin' in the forums.
I'll just say this:
I play a keytar. As such I've no such time for such... MORTAL games. The keytar is the instrument of GOD. Seriously. Jeebus is pro'lly up there rockin' the AX-8 (Not invented yet) right nao.
wasnt there a Jp. home version of Drum-mania?
How was that Drum kit set up?
Looking at the arcade version Vs. home version...
would there be an 'easy or economical' way of getting the drum kit as viable gaming accessory? ::)
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Quote from: Jerry on October 26, 2007, 10:15:40 AM
wasnt there a Jp. home version of Drum-mania?
How was that Drum kit set up?
Looking at the arcade version Vs. home version...
would there be an 'easy or economical' way of getting the drum kit as viable gaming accessory? ::)
Yes, there was (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-88-49-en-70-14xb.html), and yeah, there was a high-hat.
What I hear, however, is that the pads aren't the most sensitive of things (something that you *really* need in a music game), and that the bass pedal feels like you're stepping on nothing.
Sorry but I have to agree, that set up fails so horribly...And rockband doesnt = drummania. Drum mania has an actually set up that consists of a high hat, and only a high hat, a snare, 2 tom toms, and a cymbal. Oh and a bass pedal. And they are layed out as exactly that and dont double as anything else unlike rockband where it is snare, and then just cymbals/tom toms. WTF! If theyre going for something realistic, they should have 6 things for drums. High hat, snare, 2 tom toms, a cymbal, and a bass pedal. And that tom toms shouldnt double as cymbals. and btw, Ive NEVER seen a set up like in rock band either....snare then high hat? NO NO NO NO NO Its high hat then snare and from there followed by tom toms and ending is probably a cymbol. Well with the toms acting as cymbals I can see that a bit now but really though....a high hat not being on the left side would screw up a lot of drummers.
Drummania>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rockband in terms of a drum set. What they went for wasnt a traditional drumset, it was just pure fail. But why would they care...As long as it makes money right? -_-
Quote from: PyronIkari on June 19, 2007, 07:03:20 PM
Man... also, Drummania is a terrible game. Why? There's only 5 PADS... And where's my selector device on my electric drum set?!?!?!? I should be able to switch my cymbal types as well as change in between different toms!
WHERE'S MY 2nd AND 3RD DAMNED FOOT PEDAL... MY DAMNED HI-HAT SHOULD HAVE A GOD DAMNED FOOT PEDAL LIKE A REAL DRUMSET!!!! AND WHERE IS MY GOD DAMNED DOUBLE BASS!
DRUMMANIA IS TRASH... ONLY RETARDS WILL PLAY IT!
ZOMG IN ROCKBAND THERE ARE ONLY 4 PADS! WHERE IS IT'S SELECTOR DEVICE!?!?!?! HOW COME IT CANT CHANGE OUT TOM TOMS OR CHANGE THE LOCATION OF WHAT GOES WHERE!!! WHY DOESNT IT HAVE A HI HAT PEDAL!?!?!?! WHY DOESNT IT HAVE DOUBLE BASS!?!?!?! WHY DO THE TOM TOMS DOUBLE AS CYMBOLS AND NOT HAVE INDIVIDUAL FUNTIONS LIKE DRUM MANIA!??!?!?!
However its only a prototype...And hopefully they'll make it better. Till then the drumset sucks ass compared to the drum mania machine....
Unfortunately, in the end, no one cares.
Rock Band is the greatest rhythm title ever created. Haters can bawwwwwwww and play Bemani all they want.
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I would only say that if they added a keyboard to the mix
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I'm grown up enough to admit that I was wrong*, despite you're immature "I told you so" post. It's OK though... One of these days, you'll grow up. :)
*Note that they made alot of changes to the gameplay/controllers since this thread was started.
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You're not in a position to give anyone
attitude lessons. Sorry.
Also ... When was the last time I wrote
anything about Pop'n Music? 2005? Grow up and find a new hobby.
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best thing to do then...slice it open, and switch out the pads
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Irony much?
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Again... Irony much? Besides being close friends with one of the leads of Rock Band, and pretty much talking to people that have been playing it for the past 4 months... I would think a few of us would know a little more than you would but...
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You seem to think you know better. Curious here... have you even played rock band? I'm guessing the answer is no.
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You are a prime example of why I hate bemani players. The epitome of elitism. You seem to not realize why these games even exist in the first place. PSSSST... In Guitar Freaks, and beatmania, and Pop'n, and virtually every bemani game in the world...
1 trigger plays multiple things. Lol a combination of 7 buttons represents the entire guitar scale. In DM the high hot also acts as the high tom, the open hat, the closed hat.
YOU MISS THE GOD DAMNED POINT. They're simulation games. They're for rhythm and basic understanding. Frankly, the Rock Band drum set is 93827429385732985x better than the piece of crap DM home set. Why? Because the DM homeset was about the size of both my hands side by side, because they tried to cram everything into a tiny crap space. OHNOS THE HIGH HAT IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE!?!/!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? how come in GF I hit the third key and strum, and it plays a higher note than the far key? THAT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME, THEREFORE GF IS CRAP(by your logic anyways). Most people are right handed. Most people who are not musically gifted are capable of hitting quick repeated triggers with their RIGHT HAND not their left hand. Because it functions as two buttons... it is more logical to put it on the right side for you AVERAGE PERSON.
Music games are not meant to teach you how to play instruments, or to teach you how to be proficient in music, they are fun simulations for people to mimic the act without the actual knowledge, skill, capabilities to do so. As I've said prior, I'm surrounded by people that are extremely musically talented. Guitarists, drummers, amazing violin players, opera singers...
Funny though how they suck at music games, when I'm really good at them, and can't play a damned thing in music realistically(I play the touch tone telephone pad better than I can any insturment).
So I'm glad your little elitist prick ass doesn't like Rock Band, it means... it's doing it's job... it's being fun.
The home drumset looks like shit but the aracade machine is fucking awesome compared to the rock band one.
And what you say about guitarists is bull shit...The AVERAGE PERSON playing guitar is with the fret board in his left hand and picking/strumming with his right. Sure people might not be GIFTED and have the ability to press buttons quickly with their left hand, but its easier to press buttons with your left hand then attempting to keep a beat with it. ITS CALLED LEFTY FOR A REASON!
And with your logic to guitar freaks, if a note must be played higher it must go higher up on the fret board. Well how come when I play chord on guitar hero and move it up higher I cant go past the 5th fret...BUT IN THE SONG THEYRE PLAYING PAST IT! OH YEAH ITS CAUSE IM LIMITED TO A NUMBER OF BUTTONS LIKE GUITAR FREAKS!
And the fact that GF and DM were WAY ahead of its time since it was able to syc like....ROCK BAND and allow you to play with a guitarist, a bassist/rythem, and then pop on a drummer. And before the series was discontinued, which IMO is the BEST music simulator of all time, you used to be able to pop on a keyboard making it a total of 5 people!!! And this before Rock Band...All that is missing is a singer but whatever...I prefer instrumentals anyways xD
And about music games not giving you the basics...
This is true, they arent going to make your proficient in anything but some games like drum mania, or keyboard mania will atleast give you a very good base to start off from.
But shit, I LIKE Rockband, and the only thing I really dislike is the way the drums are...
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The home drumset looks like shit but the aracade machine is fucking awesome compared to the rock band one.
And what you say about guitarists is bull shit...The AVERAGE PERSON playing guitar is with the fret board in his left hand and picking/strumming with his right. Sure people might not be GIFTED and have the ability to press buttons quickly with their left hand, but its easier to press buttons with your left hand then attempting to keep a beat with it. ITS CALLED LEFTY FOR A REASON!
I should have seperated that. I wrote that at like 3 am after getting back from a party. It was in reference to the hi-hat being on the right side of the guitar.
Yes the arcade machine lay out is pretty decent... now let's see a company package something like that in a home console game for under 450$ that won't cause the majority of the people to bitch and whine. 90% of players have to cross their arms to play repeated high-hats
QuoteAnd the fact that GF and DM were WAY ahead of its time since it was able to syc like....ROCK BAND and allow you to play with a guitarist, a bassist/rythem, and then pop on a drummer. And before the series was discontinued, which IMO is the BEST music simulator of all time, you used to be able to pop on a keyboard making it a total of 5 people!!! And this before Rock Band...All that is missing is a singer but whatever...I prefer instrumentals anyways xD
Uh... why are you even stating this? How does it even apply to the reasoning of why Rock Band has a layout the way it is? PSSSSSST... You're being elitist with the "bemani is superior, it came first!"
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And about music games not giving you the basics...
This is true, they arent going to make your proficient in anything but some games like drum mania, or keyboard mania will atleast give you a very good base to start off from.
But shit, I LIKE Rockband, and the only thing I really dislike is the way the drums are...
Actually no... the only bemani game that gave you anything to start from... was Keyboard Mania(there's a reason why it was discontinued). DM doesn't teach you how to play drums, since it's so limited and because all it teaches you is that if you hit a drum it will make a sound(which... you should already know already). It actually teaches you more advanced drumming technique than it does anything basic(pitch level basic function in rhythm).
Let's be realistic here. Why would EA make the drum set like this. You see people, this is how you are supposed to approach marketing and reasoning. You see why the company did with they did, find the logic behind their actions, and then see how it applies... afterwards criticize the pros and cons.
Rock Band will be the first home drumming game in the US(and essentially the first drumming game in general in the US). Who will be the target? In general the people who liked Guitar Hero. For the most part, Guitar Hero success wasn't with the Bemani crowd, it reached far over that to people that wanted to pick up a guitar and rock out(instead of their normal air guitar). People with no experience at all. Why did Guitar Hero do so well? Because it was extremely easy to pick up and play knowing jack shit. But was still enough to mimic the action. I'll put it how my friend did.
"You know, Guitar Freaks felt like a simulator, but it never felt like you were really rocking out or anything, just playing a bemani game. But Rock Band totally makes you wanna jump on tables and strum all crazy like yous a real rock star."
Because of the compact size, they opted to not have as many drums and still make it relatively large so that the feeling was there(because we all know DM home version didn't feel like drumming in anyway shape or form).
Now... why is the high-hat on the right side. On songs which the high-hat are used to keep rhythm... the majority of people are right handed. It is easier to keep rhythm with the predominate hand than it is your off hand. 9/10 people being right handed... cross-over method isn't rock out able. It feels like you're playing a soft jazz drum instead of rocking the hell out while mashing the hi-hat and pounding the bass and crashing cymbals.
Putting on the left side... would be more accurate... but putting 6+6 strings on the guitar, and with two detachable, then having 14 drums would also be more accurate, but with less feel for it. You're not the target audience, so stop whining and bitching because something caters to the target audience.
Oh yeah well...you suck! :p :3
But on a more serious note.
Well I wouldnt really say the cross over style isnt rock out able.
I have to admit, and I have always thought this, the home addition was bad
And having 14 drums? Thats a bit much @_@ Traditional is well, you should know. And if they went for accuracy, yeah they would put 6 strings on with 2 detachable. However thats a bit too advanced for the moment...
And I wish I was one of the targeted audience, but the only thing stopping me from buying it is not having a Ps3 360. I have a ps2 but its in a crappy condition and wouldnt trust rock band to it...Im just saying though that I wished it was on the left side, but yeah thats true, this is for people who wanna rock out. And again, Id get this game if I could :p
EDIT: God what a poorly put together post xD
Wait a few years, as it becomes more accepted and more understood, more complex things can be added slowly... it just might take a decade or so.
and by then we'll be riding around in giant gundams :P
I already have an idea for the next guitar hero but it involves 30 buttons that slide up and down the fret board with the thumb in the back moving the 30 buttons up and down and 6 levers to act as the strings @_@
Actually...Hm....It does sound plausible...and have a program such as guitar pro to show the notes as it is going by...
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Uhh... You've never played Rock Band, so you can't really say what was and wasn't changed. The Drum controller has had many changes to it, but you wouldn't know because you only see what is on gaming websites.
Uhh, obviously you're referring to Jared and I with those titles, but I fail to see how I fit either (Jared can defend himself). I love music games in general (Bemani, EA's Pogo Music Games, Activision/Harmonix/etc.'s games) (which nulls the "bemani lover turned bemani-hating elitist" title) and I think that Rock Band and Guitar Hero is better than GF/DM (which nulls "the konami fanboy" title).
I won't even go into how you flamed/flame-bait everyone that has replied in this thread with your generalization of how "[no one] add some intelligence in [this thread]."
If anything, we are all on the wrong here and we shouldn't continue to argue as we just disagree with each other. Let's just wait and see how well they all do (I'll be picking up Rock Band and already am playing Guitar Hero 3).
Just to clarify, although you might think that the gameplay is stupid because each button might change from one instrument to another, Guitar Hero/Freak does this with each of it's buttons. Although this is different from Drums, it's the only way it would work without having tons of buttons (keep in mind that this would jack up the price EVEN MORE, and it's already expensive). The same is true with the controller -- I'm sure EA/Harmonix didn't want you to have to dedicate your entire [insert room where your consoles are] in order to play Rock Band (considering how big the electric drum sets required to make DM playable at home were).
Cross-posting FTW! (https://forums.fanime.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg15.imageshack.us%2Fimg15%2F2264%2Fbleh9zx.gif&hash=2ff4031d21148d551ce8f05409e2526dd4de2218)
http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2007/10/31/rock-band-kiosks-being-installed-at-best-buy/
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Cross-posting FTW! (https://forums.fanime.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg15.imageshack.us%2Fimg15%2F2264%2Fbleh9zx.gif&hash=2ff4031d21148d551ce8f05409e2526dd4de2218)
http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2007/10/31/rock-band-kiosks-being-installed-at-best-buy/
Xbox 360 Fanboy is actually late on the news, as some Best Buy has had their Rock Band demo kiosks since early last week.
And to clarify what I was saying earlier:
Uhh... You've never played Rock Band, so you can't really say what was and wasn't changed refers to previous versions of the game (not just the final version).
I heard from one of my friends that the drums are not good. I still haven't tried it out yet so I don't know for sure.
Quote from: Shinsengumi on November 06, 2007, 12:06:56 AM
I heard from one of my friends that the drums are not good. I still haven't tried it out yet so I don't know for sure.
Your friend is terribly wrong.
Quote from: alkaline on November 06, 2007, 12:12:20 AM
Quote from: Shinsengumi on November 06, 2007, 12:06:56 AM
I heard from one of my friends that the drums are not good. I still haven't tried it out yet so I don't know for sure.
Your friend is terribly wrong.
I'll find that out for myself
Quote from: Shinsengumi on November 06, 2007, 12:14:13 AM
Quote from: alkaline on November 06, 2007, 12:12:20 AM
Quote from: Shinsengumi on November 06, 2007, 12:06:56 AM
I heard from one of my friends that the drums are not good. I still haven't tried it out yet so I don't know for sure.
Your friend is terribly wrong.
I'll find that out for myself
What a novel concept. Thinking for yourself.
Quote from: alkaline on November 06, 2007, 12:18:48 AM
Quote from: Shinsengumi on November 06, 2007, 12:14:13 AM
Quote from: alkaline on November 06, 2007, 12:12:20 AM
Quote from: Shinsengumi on November 06, 2007, 12:06:56 AM
I heard from one of my friends that the drums are not good. I still haven't tried it out yet so I don't know for sure.
Your friend is terribly wrong.
I'll find that out for myself
What a novel concept. Thinking for yourself.
Whatever, I don't have time for this.
Thread revive*
Phoenix Down*
Well, after playing this game for 2 nights straight.
I actually had alot of fun.
I do admit I give my respects to whoever the drummer of the band is.
Coordinating your feet and arms is pretty tough.
As for the durability of the drum kit set itself i could see how regular (violent play depending on your style of course) I could see the set wearing down on ya in a few months.
then again I know SEVERAL people who wore out their guitars playing expert all the time on the GH series.
stuff breaks and it happens, and unless you are hardcore-ing on expert all the time which our group didnt even try... (we're BARELY getting thru normal) i could see how any game (or accessory) has its plus-es or minus-es.
overall, it kept me up til 8am yesterday and 5am today.
its'd definately worth ranting about when im suppose to sleep. :D
I've also had a chance to play Rock Band for myself, and it is rather epic.
Or, at least, it got me screaming YEEEEAHUUUHHH MAN WE GOT A FUCKIN' JET GUITAR HERO NEVER GAVE US A JET HOLLA BOIIEEEEEE as the four members of our makeshift party band kicked ass on the floor. Over the course of a single night, we thrashed through Europe. I ended up waking up the following night with Dani California - the song that kept on somehow repeating itself at the party - stuck in my head.
For the record, drums are pretty damn good, and fun to play on. (However, also, for the record, I played on a replacement drumkit; but if all future Rock Band sets come with a set of drums like these, then it's well worth the money.)
Also, the RB guitar is actually quite nice, although I would've preferred the 'clicky' strum of the GH guitars.
Quote from: Spiritsnare on December 24, 2007, 10:51:50 AM
Also, the RB guitar is actually quite nice, although I would've preferred the 'clicky' strum of the GH guitars.
I both like and dislike the non-click. The reason the non-click exists, is so that you can play with a pick. The click would disallow this because of the extra pressure that would be needed. Where you're seemingly pushing the bar down instead of doing a soft strum. It's not that noticible, but when you get used to it, the RB guitar feels so much more natural.
I dislike it though, due to the ease of accidental double strums. In the end though, I prefer the RB guitar... if for the solo fret bars alone.
Quote from: PyronIkari on December 24, 2007, 12:46:21 PMI both like and dislike the non-click. The reason the non-click exists, is so that you can play with a pick. The click would disallow this because of the extra pressure that would be needed. Where you're seemingly pushing the bar down instead of doing a soft strum. It's not that noticible, but when you get used to it, the RB guitar feels so much more natural.
I dislike it though, due to the ease of accidental double strums. In the end though, I prefer the RB guitar... if for the solo fret bars alone.
If I ever have to use the solo fret buttons (or whatever they're called), maybe I'll prefer the RB guitar over the GH ones. It's hard to transition to the RB guitar, although I have to since my GH guitar is broken (one could only assume, from rocking out too much) ;)
ok ya
i played the drums at best buy the other day
they do kinda suck lol. but i'm sure if i hadn't known of drummania before that i'd enjoy it more.
IMO it would go in this order from best to worst
Electronic Drumset attached to the computer for custom Drummania [Which is what my friend has at his house and its a million times better then drum mania and rockband combined :P]
Drummania Arcade Machine
Rock band Drumset
Drum mania homeset.
Quote from: cappeh on December 27, 2007, 09:09:16 PM
ok ya
i played the drums at best buy the other day
they do kinda suck lol. but i'm sure if i hadn't known of drummania before that i'd enjoy it more.
Our drum set at best buy is broken too, so I haven't tried it out yet, I heard bad stuff about it.
keep in mind its in public places and like stuff in public is ever given proper treatment.
again one that our group bought, and our drummer plays pretty...
um rough.
but again to each is own. :P
I just got Rock Band today and I am an advid music game fan.
I love it.
Guitar: The RB guitar's kneck feels a bit flimsy and I don't like the lower fret buttons but aside from that, the guitar works out pretty good. I did like the "raised" buttons from the Guitar Hero series but this guitar does just fine but I'd rather take a GHIII guitar over it any day.
Mic: Works just like any ole Karaoke Revolution mic. I myself haven't tried out vocals yet but I have heard it is more forgiving than Karaoke Revolution and if thats the case then thats awesome!
Drums: I like the drum set. I can use the controls on the drums to play Puzzle Fighter lol. The drums are pretty responsive, the pedal is nice, but (so far) I can't play any higher than Normal. The pedal gets me every time lol.
Songs: Some decent songs but the addition of DLC makes the game amazing. I just need to go out and pick up some points and tear up Little Sister by QOTSA.
Overall... great game to play with friends. I got the whole set up from a friend for $100 so that sweetens the deal a whole lot more.
Quote from: Asa_Gohan on December 28, 2007, 09:00:10 PM
IMO it would go in this order from best to worst
Electronic Drumset attached to the computer for custom Drummania [Which is what my friend has at his house and its a million times better then drum mania and rockband combined :P]
Drummania Arcade Machine
Rock band Drumset
Drum mania homeset.
I would agree but factoring cost into it all would eliminate the first two points. :P
has anyone else who's played both KR and RB thought the RB vocal scoring is more lenient too? besides badcat anyways, i told him that.
and also, is the rock band guitar easier to play than a GH guitar for anyone else? @___@
Oh, geez, no. The Rock Band guitar and I do not get along at ALL. Give me a Guitar Hero guitar any day.
Quote from: Kandybar on February 21, 2008, 07:47:42 AM
Oh, geez, no. The Rock Band guitar and I do not get along at ALL. Give me a Guitar Hero guitar any day.
Agreed. I like the clicking noise of the GH guitar when you know you strum. When I do those repetitive notes in Rock Band and use that guitar, I never know if I'm strumming it correctly or not unless I stare at the multiplier to see if it changes.
After playing with the Rock Band guitar for a few days... you get used to it.
The strum bar is quiet and thats fine but the main buttons... I like the raised buttons of the GH controller more.
Oh well, it still works fine.
omg the portal song Still Alive is gonna be in rockband! all i gotta say is holy shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDQ4ZXX5Ft0&feature=related
^ Yeah, my GF flipped when she heard that. She loves that song.
There really needs to be The Offspring, Reel Big Fish, and some more Red Hot Chilli Peppers.
Oh man, that's awesome.
Quote from: cappeh on February 18, 2008, 03:01:29 PM
and also, is the rock band guitar easier to play than a GH guitar for anyone else? @___@
I like using the RB guitar. I like the larger size of it. It also helps on those special song endings because you can use both hands to tap those solo frets like a madman and score a massive amount of points. Sometimes that can mean the difference when you want to go for five stars.
Quote from: Super No 1 on February 26, 2008, 08:00:52 PMSometimes that can mean the difference when you want to go for five stars.
I thought that the ending sections (where you have to just hit notes) didn't count towards your star ratings. I've never seen my star rating go up during that section.