I have found that there is an assortment of martial artists on the fanime forums, and a thought occurred to me: What if we had some sort of mixed martial art tournament at fanime?
the rules could be pancrase or kyokushin style - grappling plus full contact kicks to the head and body with full contact hand strikes to the body (but no hand strikes to the face). the paperwork to avoid liability as well as insurance would be irritating to have to deal with, but it could be done, and it would have a draw to it.
so what do you guys think? would it be entertaining? any martial artists out there?
it really sounds like a good idea, but sadly.......its probably not gonna happen.
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That wouldn't go over well at fanime. This a family oriented convention, about Japanese anime and culture.(For the most part at least) It's not Bodog championship fighting.
Although, a panel dedicated to martial arts styles would be pretty neat. Demonstrations and whot not *might* be possible. But I highly doubt any sort of physical combat tournament would happen.
As fun it would be, it would be a lawsuit nightmare.
Quote from: XpHoBiaX on September 11, 2008, 09:45:49 PM
Although, a panel dedicated to martial arts styles would be pretty neat. Demonstrations and whot not *might* be possible. But I highly doubt any sort of physical combat tournament would happen.
Yeah, I was thinking about that earlier today. Its something that should be taken into thought.
A tournament is impossible, the reason? Like Pyron said...
Yeah, uhm, as much as I would like plucking off some people on these boards, this wouldn't be possible, and what kind of people would enter? Naruto cosplayers who think they can do fake nonexistent style no jutsu, think of the demographic of con goers before you post something like this, seriously.
Quote from: Mizuki on September 13, 2008, 12:34:25 AM
Yeah, uhm, as much as I would like plucking off some people on these boards, this wouldn't be possible, and what kind of people would enter? Naruto cosplayers who think they can do fake nonexistent style no jutsu, think of the demographic of con goers before you post something like this, seriously.
Ugh I forgot about the Narutards *facepalm* goddamn...
Quote from: Mizuki on September 13, 2008, 12:34:25 AM
Yeah, uhm, as much as I would like plucking off some people on these boards, this wouldn't be possible, and what kind of people would enter? Naruto cosplayers who think they can do fake nonexistent style no jutsu, think of the demographic of con goers before you post something like this, seriously.
really? i mean if they sign a waiver, its all legal.... ive signed quite a few of those waivers in my time for tournaments, and they include phrases like "permanent disfigurement or death"...
try to think of it like adding a little bit of chlorine to the jean pool. and, on the optimistic side, narutards piss you off? come watch them get the snot kicked out of them by people who
actually know how to fight. better yet, if you know how to fight, come beat the snot out of some narutards yourself.
Quote from: satanic_mechanic on September 13, 2008, 01:49:25 PM
Quote from: Mizuki on September 13, 2008, 12:34:25 AM
Yeah, uhm, as much as I would like plucking off some people on these boards, this wouldn't be possible, and what kind of people would enter? Naruto cosplayers who think they can do fake nonexistent style no jutsu, think of the demographic of con goers before you post something like this, seriously.
really? i mean if they sign a waiver, its all legal.... ive signed quite a few of those waivers in my time for tournaments, and they include phrases like "permanent disfigurement or death"...
try to think of it like adding a little bit of chlorine to the jean pool. and, on the optimistic side, narutards piss you off? come watch them get the snot kicked out of them by people who actually know how to fight. better yet, if you know how to fight, come beat the snot out of some narutards yourself.
and this is why it has absolutely no chance of happening.
Quote from: PyronIkari on September 11, 2008, 09:24:24 PM
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QFT. Couldn'ta said it better.
Quote from: PyronIkari on September 11, 2008, 09:24:24 PM
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This!
I spy something with my eyes, something beginning with "unpleasant SoS staff".
I think even with the wavier(although not a bad idea), if something really did happen, like a person gets killed or mutilated, it would undoubtedly turn people off from the event and to a greater extent, the con as a whole and it looks like upper management really doesn't want that to happen :-\. I mean honestly, who'd want to go to a con(or let their kids to a con) where people die or lose a limb?
Then again, it's not like the r-tards never get mutilated anyways...
Other than that, I did like the idea. Good entertainment, despite the Narutards. I'd have totally watched it.
Didn't Fanime have something in the Dealer's room (an open space) where they had a Martial Arts showcase one year? Or something...?
I know that Con-X-Treme last year tried to hold a martial arts competition but a lot of the competitors canceled last minute or something.
Quote from: Chiri Kcrinh on September 13, 2008, 11:28:57 PM
Didn't Fanime have something in the Dealer's room (an open space) where they had a Martial Arts showcase one year? Or something...?
it was in the artist alley, but yea; that was just a demonstration, and only a demonstration. that's probably the only reason it got the greenlight by Con Staff.
Oh, well... still, it seemed pretty cool, maybe we could bring that back again? (:
Quote from: satanic_mechanic on September 13, 2008, 01:49:25 PM
really? i mean if they sign a waiver, its all legal.... ive signed quite a few of those waivers in my time for tournaments, and they include phrases like "permanent disfigurement or death"...
try to think of it like adding a little bit of chlorine to the jean pool. and, on the optimistic side, narutards piss you off? come watch them get the snot kicked out of them by people who actually know how to fight. better yet, if you know how to fight, come beat the snot out of some narutards yourself.
Uhm. Tournaments are sanctioned events that have the legal documentation filed and requested through the appropriate channels. There's a lot of different commissions that have to sanction the event for it to be publicly held, and legal. Secondly, Fanime themselves would have to do this, and this is a lot of paper work, and costs quite a bit of money. They would also have to have LEGAL medical aids available on site, and there would have to be TRAINED OFFICIALS to host/watch over the matches.
If you would like to shell out the thousands of dollars this would cost, do all of the paper work, and some how guarantee that no one gets hurt... feel free to contact Fanime staff with your idea. If not...
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Lawsuits up the ass.
Quote from: satanic_mechanic on September 13, 2008, 01:49:25 PM
really? i mean if they sign a waiver, its all legal.... ive signed quite a few of those waivers in my time for tournaments, and they include phrases like "permanent disfigurement or death"...
Those waivers are unlikely to stand up in court.
It's actually not possible to simply sign away important responsibilities on that kind of basis.
Sure, there is some understanding that those who enter are "voluntarily doing something dangerous". However, no insurance company is actual going to believe that "yeah, some 18-year old signed a non-notarized form saying it was okay for him to become permanently disabled so we're off the hook."
Running any non-trivial event in a professional setting requires a surprisingly high level of preparation. I can't imagine the cost of legal fees for full-time sports or something.
Given some time and money, we could do this. We could do all sorts of things!
But, it doesn't really fit. Fanime is about community, and fighting doesn't really build communities. ^^;
That said, we're looking at something in a similar, but more light-hearted/fun/athletic, light.
Quote from: PyronIkari on September 14, 2008, 01:53:54 AM
Quote from: satanic_mechanic on September 13, 2008, 01:49:25 PM
really? i mean if they sign a waiver, its all legal.... ive signed quite a few of those waivers in my time for tournaments, and they include phrases like "permanent disfigurement or death"...
try to think of it like adding a little bit of chlorine to the jean pool. and, on the optimistic side, narutards piss you off? come watch them get the snot kicked out of them by people who actually know how to fight. better yet, if you know how to fight, come beat the snot out of some narutards yourself.
Uhm. Tournaments are sanctioned events that have the legal documentation filed and requested through the appropriate channels. There's a lot of different commissions that have to sanction the event for it to be publicly held, and legal. Secondly, Fanime themselves would have to do this, and this is a lot of paper work, and costs quite a bit of money. They would also have to have LEGAL medical aids available on site, and there would have to be TRAINED OFFICIALS to host/watch over the matches.
If you would like to shell out the thousands of dollars this would cost, do all of the paper work, and some how guarantee that no one gets hurt... feel free to contact Fanime staff with your idea. If not...
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Lawsuits up the ass.
You, my friend, are correct. Lawsuits up the ass.
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Quote from: satanic_mechanic on September 13, 2008, 01:49:25 PM
really? i mean if they sign a waiver, its all legal.... ive signed quite a few of those waivers in my time for tournaments, and they include phrases like "permanent disfigurement or death"...
Those waivers are unlikely to stand up in court.
It's actually not possible to simply sign away important responsibilities on that kind of basis.
Sure, there is some understanding that those who enter are "voluntarily doing something dangerous". However, no insurance company is actual going to believe that "yeah, some 18-year old signed a non-notarized form saying it was okay for him to become permanently disabled so we're off the hook."
Running any non-trivial event in a professional setting requires a surprisingly high level of preparation. I can't imagine the cost of legal fees for full-time sports or something.
You, my friend, are also correct.
I might be a fanime newb...but still... terrible terrible idea. Great in concept, awful in practice. The last thing I'd want to see at fanime is anime nerds in cage fights.
Actually scratch that.
Amazing idea. Do it
Quote from: Atlus on September 16, 2008, 06:25:49 PM
I might be a fanime newb...but still... terrible terrible idea. Great in concept, awful in practice. The last thing I'd want to see at fanime is anime nerds in cage fights.
Actually scratch that.
Amazing idea. Do it
add a grizzly bear, and it makes money.
Quote from: Tony on September 16, 2008, 04:23:19 PM
But, it doesn't really fit. Fanime is about community, and fighting doesn't really build communities. ^^;
fun?
Quote from: otakuapprentice on September 17, 2008, 12:16:27 AM
Quote from: Atlus on September 16, 2008, 06:25:49 PM
I might be a fanime newb...but still... terrible terrible idea. Great in concept, awful in practice. The last thing I'd want to see at fanime is anime nerds in cage fights.
Actually scratch that.
Amazing idea. Do it
add a grizzly bear, and it makes money.
I keel the grizzly bear
Quote from: JohnnyAR on September 17, 2008, 07:28:41 AM
I keel the grizzly bear
In your dreams... :P
The bear would own you.
Kumite,kumite!!
and we have now destroyed the whole point of the thread(i think in record time, too).
Would have been nice if sparring is ok......I practice Traditional Kung Fu....so it would be interesting if it was possible. Everyone is right though, there would be a bajillion lawsuits. xDDD....And why would yo allow full contact kicks to the head and not allow palms to the face? An axe or crescent kick would do some serious damage...possibly more than a palm strike (if you can pull it off >_>)
~Sam
Quote from: otakuapprentice on September 17, 2008, 09:07:03 PM
and we have now destroyed the whole point of the thread(i think in record time, too).
Please, record time is like 3 posts in 2 minutes...we've done better.
Quote from: Steve.Young on September 18, 2008, 11:31:12 PM
Quote from: otakuapprentice on September 17, 2008, 09:07:03 PM
and we have now destroyed the whole point of the thread(i think in record time, too).
Please, record time is like 3 posts in 2 minutes...we've done better.
is this with or without Mikey posting in the thread? LOL
Quote from: Barnes on September 17, 2008, 06:18:34 PM
Quote from: Glitch on September 17, 2008, 03:17:00 PM
Kumite,kumite!!
I fight to survive! ;D
*Credits roll, with facts about Frank Dux following before hand.*
Frank Dux holds the world record for fastest pie eating. 3.5 seconds.
Or Fanime can just loan/rent some space to Hollywood/Someone else and let them film a scene for a martial arts movie.
Quote from: Rei-Rei on September 17, 2008, 07:05:23 PM
Quote from: JohnnyAR on September 17, 2008, 03:17:49 PM
Quote from: Rei-Rei on September 17, 2008, 07:35:29 AM
Quote from: JohnnyAR on September 17, 2008, 07:28:41 AM
I keel the grizzly bear
In your dreams... :P
The bear would own you.
Oh yeah? Want me to prove it?
Yes.
Alright provide me a cage, a grizzly bear, and a few cans of those large sized Monster energy drinks. I can do it!
I hate to say this but that's not gonna happen here at Fanime. I have to agree with everyone here.
I'm with everyone else on this matter, I've been in martial arts for many years now, experience in a few different styles, and as much as I would love to bring all my sparring equipment and padding I can't see this happening without working with the convention managers directly. Even if it could be done it would most likely only happen at a hour when there aren't many active people and few people around. Even if someone who has experience hosting tournaments stepped and negotiated with Fanime I think they would have a hard time getting it approved and there would pretty much be several forms signing your life and rights away should you get hurt.
And it would require lots of planning and space.
1 How big of a ring
2 weight classes?
3 experience classes? I wouldn't want to fight someone with no experience, I'd have to throw the match.
4 legal forms
5 sparing equipment? Bring your own? share? provides? what equipment is required/qualifies
6 substrate? What sort of foundation would we be fighting on? carpet? wood? cement? padding? cement blocks with gravel mixed in? (Yes I've had sparring matches with people on cement blocks that is decorated in small gravel)
It's a wonderful idea, I haven't been to any tournaments in several years. But you have to do serious public relations in order to make it happen. I think the two major tournaments I've been to have a had an on sight medic or people trained in medical care.
Quote from: Tony on September 16, 2008, 04:23:19 PM
Given some time and money, we could do this. We could do all sorts of things!
But, it doesn't really fit. Fanime is about community, and fighting doesn't really build communities. ^^;
That said, we're looking at something in a similar, but more light-hearted/fun/athletic, light.
In actuality I've probably made just as many friends at martial arts tournaments as I have outside of martial arts. Contrary to popular belief I don't think 'fighting' by itself is aggressive at all, because there has to be a personal motivation to be aggressive, and 'winning' doesn't qualify, otherwise we'd have to rule out chess! Now that is an aggressive sport!. Truthfully the only place I have never shown any aggression is inside a sparring match; I know because I used to be extremely violet and got into alot of street fights when I was young.
I've probably been to at least 8 tournaments in my lifetime, mainly only doing sparring and breaking competitions and I'd sit and hang out with other coaches and competitors both in my division and others and I'd make friends with them, kick their ass, get my ass kicked (maybe even harder) and I'd walk away still friends with them.
The biggest tournament I go to is held at a church that is a registered school too. The other locations these are typically held at are a YMCA, and a regular high school. Martial arts is a better family event than video games I say, I've seen many families compete for many years.
Just give up the dream...