I don't mean to be all elite or whatever, I just know that some series are like that. Like for instance I'm trying to decide whether to watch the sub or dub of Beck. Which do you think I should choose?
Good question!
I think the dub for Beck is very well done, since the original show was bi-lingual. Actually a lot of the recent Funimation dubs are good like Mushi-shi (recommended for anime and manga).
Like they always say millage may vary.
Hellsing has good English voice actors. The voice acting doesn't make it seem cheesy or lame unlike other series that has horrible English voice acting.
And I'm not just saying that because I'm a fan boy...
I hear dubbed Trigun is not bad. I'd still recommend every anime to be watch with subtitles though. The quality of voice actors is much higher in Japan for anime, imo.
DBZ. im so used to gokus voice already (in english) that when i heard it in japanese(i think over daniels house).. i just cringed! it was not something id expect. it sounded more girly than gar. hmm maybe it was because i herad the voice of goku when i was little and i got used to it. maybe tahts how dubs are for other fans like me. we just have to get used to it.
Goku isn't supposed to sound GAR... that was sorta the point. He was different than all the other Saiyans.
In terms of quality, there are none that I will say are superior to the JP as a whole. There are 2 series that come to mind where they are close to each other, and in some ways the US is better, other ways the JP is better.
Golden Boy
Cowboy Bebop.
I have heard some AMAZING spanish and AMAZING french dubs though.
German dubs are where it's at.
Hmm..usually I am not a fan of English dub anime but in my opinion, movie by Hayao Miyazaki turn out really nice when they dub it. I actually enjoy watching it. Kiki Delivery, Spirited Away, etc..They put a lot of effort into them.
I thought the deathnote dubbing was pretty good they caught the voicing very well. For code geass it is pretty dead on in terms of translation but if they only got rid of the guy who does Lelouch since lelouch sounded more manly in the japanese dubbing He set the tone very well but man the english VA =( left me with a bitter taste in my mouth oh and nunally's english VA as well shes too high pitched in the english one I love nunally so I was expecting a english va with a softer voice
There have been only two series that I have watched fully dubbed and that was Excel Saga and both seasons of Those Who Hunt Elves. I think it just had to do with the fact that they were comedy series and therefore, the dubs had to be improvised with jokes or things that would make sense to an English speaking audience. But anyways, personally, those were my only favorite dubs.
I heard Bakuretsu Hunters was better dubbed, but I've only seen it subbed, myself.
I know I've seen some shows with great interpretations, but terrible acting, and vice-versa where the acting isn't so bad but those LINES! @.@;; oh god... You know that feeling where you're watching something and they say or do something that...just leaves you feeling embarrassed to be watching it? Yeah...
But hard to think of one where I prefer it over the subtitled version.
The only ones I can think of is Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo. I have a feeling Michiko to Hatchin is gonna end up the same way. But then again I was watching the dub for Bebop and Champloo first, just like how I was watching DBZ in dub first so I ended up preferring it over the sub.
Oh, Cromartie High. How about that one?
Quote from: Raymei on December 11, 2008, 08:54:11 AM
I heard Bakuretsu Hunters was better dubbed, but I've only seen it subbed, myself.
I know I've seen some shows with great interpretations, but terrible acting, and vice-versa where the acting isn't so bad but those LINES! @.@;; oh god... You know that feeling where you're watching something and they say or do something that...just leaves you feeling embarrassed to be watching it? Yeah...
But hard to think of one where I prefer it over the subtitled version.
Bakuretsu hunters is bad dubbed. It's about as bad as Lost Universe was. Slayers wasn't that bad... but horrible compared to the dumb.
There's a lot of shows that aren't bad in English, or actually good, but in comparison, the JP is usually better.
Miyazaki personally prefers some of the French dubs for his movies, and honestly, some of them are amazing. Ranma in Spanish was actually really really really good. I can't say the same for Saint Seiya though.
I watched everything in JP first... with the exception of Robotech. So you can add in whatever bias you might thing I have here.
Quote from: PyronIkari on December 11, 2008, 08:07:55 PM
Ranma in Spanish was actually really really really good. I can't say the same for Saint Seiya though.
Actually, I didn't mind Ranma in English much either. It wasn't BETTER dubbed, granted, but a select few voice actors did make it one of the better dubs, for my money.
In particular, I give props to Ted Cole for actually delivering nearly the same passion as Suzuoki, and Michael Donovan for not sucking as Ryoga.
Michael Beyaer (Gosunkugi) shouldn't have touched the mic though.
Excel saga cracked me up when they went to new york and started speaking american (spanish) that was too funny.
Dubbed Bebop is fabulous. I have a particular soft spot for dubbed Hellsing because I love accents, and you can't do British accents in Japanese. :P
Others? I watched Slayers dubbed first back in the days of the VHS, and thought it was pretty good -- but that may be because it's supposed to be campy as hell. I've heard mixed reviews of dubbed Evangelion, and while some people think it's better in English (I think it's pretty good as dubs go), I still like the Japanese a little better. And while I've never seen it, I've heard dubbed Noir is actually pretty good too.
:D Personally I love Yu Yu Hakusho dubbed.
Yusuke sounds more like a punk, and Kurama's VA's not a woman... XD;;
Then again... A lot of dubs FUNimation does are really good... o.o
Lucky Star has a pretty damn good dub, in my honest opinion. Almost all of the characters are spot on, and you bet the Casting Director did his homework on casting GOOD voice actors (Wendee Lee for Konata Izumi).
Series that are better off dubbed...hmm...Cowboy Bebop's the only one I know of so far. Man, I need to watch more anime beyond just the funny, cutesy, and inspirational.
Quote from: Aru Sakayama on December 30, 2008, 08:12:05 AM
Lucky Star has a pretty damn good dub, in my honest opinion. Almost all of the characters are spot on, and you bet the Casting Director did his homework on casting GOOD voice actors (Wendee Lee for Konata Izumi).
Series that are better off dubbed...hmm...Cowboy Bebop's the only one I know of so far. Man, I need to watch more anime beyond just the funny, cutesy, and inspirational.
Are you insane? Nothing against Wendee Lee, I've done work with her and it went well and everything... but she's a horrible Konata. Konata is a very cynical character that changes personality types constantly. She's really nothing like the typical characters Wendee Lee plays, but she's type casted to match certain VA's in Japan(I honestly don't get why).
Quote from: PyronIkari on December 30, 2008, 02:13:43 PM
Are you insane? Nothing against Wendee Lee, I've done work with her and it went well and everything... but she's a horrible Konata. Konata is a very cynical character that changes personality types constantly. She's really nothing like the typical characters Wendee Lee plays, but she's type casted to match certain VA's in Japan(I honestly don't get why).
Yeah...it probably might be due to this analogy:
Konata Izumi : Haruhi Suzumiya :: Aya Hirano : Wendee Lee
No... it's more like, any genki-chara is automatically given to Wendee Lee.
Which was kinda funny, since the job I watched over was for a oka-san chara. So it was strange hearing Wendee Lee do a voice like that. To be honest, it sounded much better than her genki-chara voice. That's one of the things that bothers me about her voice... It sounds EXACTLY the same for every genki-chara she does. If you go back and listen to Excel, it matches Haruhi, and Konata exactly. Same delivery and everything. Well this is partially do with vocal direction as well.
Quote from: PyronIkari on December 30, 2008, 06:30:45 PM
No... it's more like, any genki-chara is automatically given to Wendee Lee.
Which was kinda funny, since the job I watched over was for a oka-san chara. So it was strange hearing Wendee Lee do a voice like that. To be honest, it sounded much better than her genki-chara voice. That's one of the things that bothers me about her voice... It sounds EXACTLY the same for every genki-chara she does. If you go back and listen to Excel, it matches Haruhi, and Konata exactly. Same delivery and everything. Well this is partially do with vocal direction as well.
No wonder why it took me 3-4 re-listens to tell the difference between whether she was Haruhi-voicing or Konata-voicing on the English dub of episode 16.
Ronin Warriors had a good dub IMO.
Quote from: Aru Sakayama on December 30, 2008, 06:48:52 PM
No wonder why it took me 3-4 re-listens to tell the difference between whether she was Haruhi-voicing or Konata-voicing on the English dub of episode 16.
Doesn't this contradict what you said about it being a good dub? And how she was perfect for the role?
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Quote from: PyronIkari on January 01, 2009, 11:29:59 PM
Quote from: Aru Sakayama on December 30, 2008, 06:48:52 PM
No wonder why it took me 3-4 re-listens to tell the difference between whether she was Haruhi-voicing or Konata-voicing on the English dub of episode 16.
Doesn't this contradict what you said about it being a good dub? And how she was perfect for the role?
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I take back what I said about Wendee Lee being the perfect role.
Okay, maybe Lucky Star's not better off English dubbed after all, but it's still a fun watch in both languages.
(Maybe I should have pleaded the 5th and ignored this topic in the first place.)
Unfortunately, while there are some single roles in a number of different Anime where I thought the dub was very good, I find it hard to think of any series as a WHOLE that has been dubbed that is on par or superior to the original Japanese.
I am curious to re-watch them in french/spanish now though lol.
Bible Black was better dubbed. :J
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Quote from: FanFicGuru on January 03, 2009, 12:23:15 PM
Unfortunately, while there are some single roles in a number of different Anime where I thought the dub was very good, I find it hard to think of any series as a WHOLE that has been dubbed that is on par or superior to the original Japanese.
I am curious to re-watch them in french/spanish now though lol.
I've gotten a few reports that the spanish Dub of death note (which I didn't even know existed) Is way better than the english or even the japanese versions. When I get my hands on a copy I'll let you folks know.
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Quote from: FanFicGuru on January 03, 2009, 12:23:15 PM
Unfortunately, while there are some single roles in a number of different Anime where I thought the dub was very good, I find it hard to think of any series as a WHOLE that has been dubbed that is on par or superior to the original Japanese.
I am curious to re-watch them in french/spanish now though lol.
I've gotten a few reports that the spanish Dub of death note (which I didn't even know existed) Is way better than the english or even the japanese versions. When I get my hands on a copy I'll let you folks know.
Spanish speaking Ryuk? Heh, all right!
Man, the only way I can answer this is if I can understand jp to a certain degree to tell the dub is better...
EDIT: I take that back, no jp VA can beat the hell I went through with AzuDaioh and/or Lova Hina xD
Quote from: JohnnyAR on January 08, 2009, 02:46:55 PM
Quote from: sweetchorizo on January 08, 2009, 04:04:01 AM
Quote from: FanFicGuru on January 03, 2009, 12:23:15 PM
Unfortunately, while there are some single roles in a number of different Anime where I thought the dub was very good, I find it hard to think of any series as a WHOLE that has been dubbed that is on par or superior to the original Japanese.
I am curious to re-watch them in french/spanish now though lol.
I've gotten a few reports that the spanish Dub of death note (which I didn't even know existed) Is way better than the english or even the japanese versions. When I get my hands on a copy I'll let you folks know.
Spanish speaking Ryuk? Heh, all right!
I think you might like this look up Death Note(Doblado En Castellano)**Trailer** on you tube im hoping for an americanized spanish dub
Here's a link of the Death Note Spanish dub!
Doblado En Castellano (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EuNEPJaYAI)
English dub only work for certain animes. FLCL, Cowboy Bebop, Wolf's Rain, and Full Metal Alchemist all sounded really good in english.
Quote from: outcast on January 21, 2009, 04:41:06 PM
English dub only work for certain animes. FLCL, Cowboy Bebop, Wolf's Rain, and Full Metal Alchemist all sounded really good in english.
FLCL sounded good for what it was in English, but it's not even comparable to the JP version.
FMA, Death Note, Cowboy Bebop. Digimon, too >.>
I don't know about better but Excel Saga is amusing and fun to watch both subbed and dubbed. XD;
Especially the america episode.
Quote from: mDuo13 on December 03, 2008, 01:24:31 PM
German dubs are where it's at.
I know this is an old post but those are darn amusing. Especially Sailor Moon and Chibi Usagi. XD
Yu-gi-Oh! and One Piece. Well pretty much anything by 4-kids is on my list.
Digimon Dubbed is absolutely hilarious but as the series carries on, the hilarity just makes it... not as epic. Cowboy Bebop has a great dub, and Trigun isn't that bad. Serial Experiments Lain could've gone either way since there isn't much talking involved.
Honestly, I have the hugest soft spot for Vic Mignogna so everything he's done, most notably Tamaki from Ouran, Edward Elric, and Faye from Tsubasa, I absolutely love, although the rest of the dub (espicially Ouran, good loard that was just.. aweful dubbed) isn't as great.
Fullmetal Alchemist. I only say this because I heard the dub first so I'm used to Ed and Al having more boyish sounding voices. So, when I heard the Japanese version with Ed and Al sounding more girlish I almost winced. But, I have no problem with the sub, it's pretty good if you're not used to the dub.
Plus, I felt the casting for the english dub of FMA was pretty spot on.
Full Metal Alchemist, Trigun, and Cowboy Bebop. These are at the top of my dubbed list. I typically enjoy subbed better then dubbed... but those three anime I could not watch in subbed after enjoying dubbed. It was not the same. In the case of Trigun; It is actually funnier in English then in Japanese. The jokes are funnier.
Another decent one is Inuyasha...and I didn't think DBZ was THAT bad either.
Naruto dubbed makes me sick to my stomach...as do a few others.
I think they did Bleach ok. I was surprised when I watched it dubbed the English voices were pretty good...unlike Naruto....hissssssss!!!!!
Quote from: narutofan17 on April 15, 2009, 01:46:55 PM
I think they did Bleach ok. I was surprised when I watched it dubbed the English voices were pretty good...unlike Naruto....hissssssss!!!!!
They were alright.
It's funny how my buddy just a month ago wouldn't even touch Bleach because he watched Dubs, then when we watched Movie 1 & 2 he couldn't get enough. Apparently the Subs made it that much better.
Quote from: narutofan17 on April 15, 2009, 01:46:55 PM
I think they did Bleach ok. I was surprised when I watched it dubbed the English voices were pretty good...unlike Naruto....hissssssss!!!!!
Well... you realize... Naruto was dubbed for children. Bleach was dubbed for teenagers.
It all goes back to localization. Something pretty much no one understands, so they just bitch and complain about everything. The reason why things are dubbed a certain way, why certain people are chosen, and why the translation is what it is. Really... if you think about it, it makes perfect sense.
Subs are always better than dubs. ;D
I agree Bleach dub is better than Naruto dub. Naruto: "Believe it!" Ichigo: STFU!!! *kills with zanpaktou*
One of the WORST dubs is Higurashi. Shion's laugh=FAIL
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Quote from: narutofan17 on April 15, 2009, 01:46:55 PM
I think they did Bleach ok. I was surprised when I watched it dubbed the English voices were pretty good...unlike Naruto....hissssssss!!!!!
They were alright.
It's funny how my buddy just a month ago wouldn't even touch Bleach because he watched Dubs, then when we watched Movie 1 & 2 he couldn't get enough. Apparently the Subs made it that much better.
XD. I can't really explain it but I just love watchin anime in subbed.
Quote from: PyronIkari on April 15, 2009, 09:14:54 PM
Quote from: narutofan17 on April 15, 2009, 01:46:55 PM
I think they did Bleach ok. I was surprised when I watched it dubbed the English voices were pretty good...unlike Naruto....hissssssss!!!!!
Well... you realize... Naruto was dubbed for children. Bleach was dubbed for teenagers.
It all goes back to localization. Something pretty much no one understands, so they just bitch and complain about everything. The reason why things are dubbed a certain way, why certain people are chosen, and why the translation is what it is. Really... if you think about it, it makes perfect sense.
I understand that but from a perspective as a fan of the show it just make me a little anger. If you read the manga and watched the anime for a while you would think if was aimed for younger adults. It's pretty much was so I guess it was a shocker when they dubbed it for children.
Quote from: narutofan17 on April 17, 2009, 02:53:09 PMI understand that but from a perspective as a fan of the show it just make me a little anger. If you read the manga and watched the anime for a while you would think if was aimed for younger adults. It's pretty much was so I guess it was a shocker when they dubbed it for children.
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If you read the manga and watched the anime, you'd realize it's aimed towards children between 6-14.
You realize Shounen Jump is geared towards that age group right? As a *fan* pretty much any anime that isn't aired late night is geared towards at the oldest teenagers around 16.
To be completely honest, most dubs are pretty decent for what they are worth. Preference wise, I like things in their natural language... regardless. Sometimes dubs are better, but I generally really don't like dubs of any language.
There are horrendous dubs... lots of horrendous dubs.
But to my main point. Who gives a damn what you think of the dub, unless you prefer dubs. If you don't, really who cares, because you don't watch them anyways right? If you watch dubs only to talk crap about them, think about what that says about you. I've worked in localization, I've done auditions for VA'ing, I've directed VA'ing for major projects, hell I've been a VA in a commercially released product.
People really don't know what it's like, and why most of the choices are made.
Quote from: PyronIkari on April 17, 2009, 08:32:15 PM
If you read the manga and watched the anime, you'd realize it's aimed towards children between 6-14.
You realize Shounen Jump is geared towards that age group right? As a *fan* pretty much any anime that isn't aired late night is geared towards at the oldest teenagers around 16.
WRONG. Naruto is NOT aimed for 6 yr olds. Non Shippuden Naruto is aimed for 11+. Have you seen Shippuden yet? With the amount of blood and swearing in it, it should be 14+.
Shonen Jump is NOT aimed for 6-14 either. It says right on the magazine PARENTAL ADVISORY! SHONEN JUMP IS RATED T FOR TEEN. You stated that the shows late at night were meant for 16 yr olds. *Checks TV guide* on Adult swim BLEACH isn't aired fairly late. But Death Note is. A true Shonen Jump fan would not make the mistake of forgeting Death Note was published in Shonen Jump and BLEACH IS STILL IN THERE along
with Naruto. Sorry for ranting, I <3 u all ;D
Quote from: BumbleB on April 17, 2009, 09:18:47 PM
WRONG. Naruto is NOT aimed for 6 yr olds. Non Shippuden Naruto is aimed for 11+. Have you seen Shippuden yet? With the amount of blood and swearing in it, it should be 14+.
Shonen Jump is NOT aimed for 6-14 either. It says right on the magazine PARENTAL ADVISORY! SHONEN JUMP IS RATED T FOR TEEN. You stated that the shows late at night were meant for 16 yr olds. *Checks TV guide* on Adult swim BLEACH isn't aired fairly late. But Death Note is. A true Shonen Jump fan would not make the mistake of forgeting Death Note was published in Shonen Jump and BLEACH IS STILL IN THERE along with Naruto. Sorry for ranting, I <3 u all ;D
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Hi, welcome to America. Where anything with the remotest amount of violence, anything close to questionable, or even mentions blood is "TEEN AND OLDER!!!!"
I was referring to the JP standards... you know... where this stuff comes from?
A REAL FAN, knows origins, not just what they like. I know much about the US airings, and US standards, but I refer to JP standards... and when things are aired there. I don't give a damn what time it's aired in America because it doesn't matter.
wwwwwwwwwwww American fans that don't know anything about anything.
@ PyronIkari I'm sorry, I thought you were refering to the American standards. As I said earlier the original is better.Don't call me an American fan that doesn't know anything because I am half asian. Thank you very much.
Quote from: BumbleB on April 17, 2009, 09:45:23 PM
@ PyronIkari I'm sorry, I thought you were refering to the American standards. As I said earlier the original is better.Don't call me an American fan that doesn't know anything because I am half asian. Thank you very much.
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I'm 100% Asian, and I'm American. I'm guessing you are INCREDIBLY young.
Whatever. Can we stop fighting and call a truce or something.
Quote from: BumbleB on April 17, 2009, 09:52:36 PM
Whatever. Can we stop fighting and call a truceo or something.
Yes, let's both do that.
Quote from: BumbleB on April 17, 2009, 09:45:23 PM
Don't call me an American fan that doesn't know anything because I am half asian. Thank you very much.
lmao. Anyways I was just thinking about it earlier but Cromatie High had a real good dub.
Quote from: RaddaX2 on April 18, 2009, 05:29:48 PM
Quote from: BumbleB on April 17, 2009, 09:45:23 PM
Don't call me an American fan that doesn't know anything because I am half asian. Thank you very much.
lmao. Anyways I was just thinking about it earlier but Cromatie High had a real good dub.
I keep forgetting to watch that anime!
Cromartie did have a good dub. Haven't seen it with the original Japanese track to compare it, though.
This has probably already been said, but I find Hellsing's (and Ultimate's) dub to be fantastic, although the English track has the advantage with the accents and everything.
I have to agree with others.
Cowboy Bebop
Hellsing
Quote from: BumbleB on April 17, 2009, 09:45:23 PM
@ PyronIkari I'm sorry, I thought you were refering to the American standards. As I said earlier the original is better.Don't call me an American fan that doesn't know anything because I am half asian. Thank you very much.
Did you seriously think that apologizing to PyronIkari was going to work? I mean, he's the type of guy that's "I don't know you, I don't know anything about you, I have no relation with you whatsoever, and I have nothing to base this on...but you're an retard." So I dunno what you were thinkin. Did you want him to forgive you? XD Sorry, kinda makes me laugh.
Quote from: SukebeStudios on April 20, 2009, 03:26:30 AM
"I don't know you, I don't know anything about you, I have no relation with you whatsoever, and I have nothing to base this on...but you're an retard." So I dunno what you were thinkin. Did you want him to forgive you? XD Sorry, kinda makes me laugh.
You don't need to "know" someone to know they've said/done something stupid. I have nothing to base this on? Those posts are something to base it on... isn't it? This coming from a different retard, why am I not suprised?
Quote from: PyronIkari on April 20, 2009, 03:50:39 AM
Quote from: SukebeStudios on April 20, 2009, 03:26:30 AM
"I don't know you, I don't know anything about you, I have no relation with you whatsoever, and I have nothing to base this on...but you're an retard." So I dunno what you were thinkin. Did you want him to forgive you? XD Sorry, kinda makes me laugh.
You don't need to "know" someone to know they've said/done something stupid. I have nothing to base this on? Those posts are something to base it on... isn't it? This coming from a different retard, why am I not suprised?
I rest my case.
I couldn't stand Outlaw Star in Japanese. Gilliam just sounds... weird.
Golden Boy and Dead Leaves is HILARIOUS in English. There are way too many memorable quotes from the dub of those two.
You there! YOU SHIT TOO MUCH >O DEATH SENTENCE!I grow more attached to a series if it is localized in a good dub. There's something about hearing the characters in my own language helps me identify with them more. Watching Elicia from FMA
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was the most heartbreaking thing I've ever watched.
Full Metal Alchemist: They did an amazing job.
Dragon Ball Z: I don't know why. Their voices in japanese are extremely weird.
That's all I can think of.
Trigun was awesome. Hellsing was great but I think Alucard's voice coulda been better.
I like Trigun dubbed.
And Full Metal Panic. Sounds a lot better to me in English.
That's all I can think of though.
I liked Trigun dubbed..
Quote from: Lucifargundam on July 29, 2009, 03:47:27 PM
Trigun was awesome. Hellsing was great but I think Alucard's voice coulda been better.
What the hell? What do you mean it could've been better? Crispin Freeman is the only guy that pull it off!
Series that are better? Doubt it. Series that are passable, probably.
There are plenty of good dubs out there, most of which have already been mentioned. But there's only one series that I consistently watch dubbed rather than subbed: Desert Punk. Perhaps the deliveries of the jokes just work better in English, but it's got one of the best dubs I've seen.