there isnt anything wrong with lazer tag at fanime is there? only reason im asking is because supposedly con ops goes crazy with projectile based toys.
I'm sure people won't get carried away, run and hurt themselves/other people in the process
Kefka....ur sarcasm is lost on many:P
If you play you are VERY likely to incur the wrath of rovers:
1) running people = angry rovers
2) things that look like guns = angry rovers
3) lasertag in crouded areas = furious rovers
overall....unhappy rovers
I recommend that you do not play that @ fanime....
My sarcasm is always lost...T_T
If there were a coordinated venue for Lazer Tag in a controlled environment, I think there would be less of a safety issue, but it's still up to Con Ops. Not recommended for play in general Con population...
Mistaking a current Light tag game system for a real firearm??? Have any of you been to Toy R Us lately?
I'll admit I still have my original Lazer Tag pistol, rifle and sensor... With original packaging. Their production stamp indicates: Made in San Jose, CA... Makes it a collector's item in my book since World of Wonder's local manufacturing site closed in 1988. How many toys can you find out there that were made locally and sold around the world?
Me mistake a tagger for a gun, not really...if i get shot i get shot....but then we have police officers with real guns. They will not stop to think what it looks like.....you have something pointed at them, it has a trigger and you are aiming.....Someone getting shot @ con = bad publicity.
within 10 ft it may look very diff but at 40 or 50 ft combined with your stance and apparent mental state, one of our officers may draw his gun on you.
Its just generally a bad idea.
Quote from: ewu on May 04, 2009, 09:36:13 PM
Me mistake a tagger for a gun, not really...if i get shot i get shot....but then we have police officers with real guns. They will not stop to think what it looks like.....you have something pointed at them, it has a trigger and you are aiming.....Someone getting shot @ con = bad publicity.
within 10 ft it may look very diff but at 40 or 50 ft combined with your stance and apparent mental state, one of our officers may draw his gun on you.
Its just generally a bad idea.
Believe me when I say that the toy company that's making the current version have gone to
great extent to make sure the lazer tag gun
cannot be mistaken as a real weapon by law enforcement... Bright neon yellow or Orange paint, Flashing LED lights, Odd-ball Sci-Fi sound effects... Even Toy manufacturers don't want to get sued for wrongful death. Airsoft is another thing... I personally know 3 people in law enforcement, a cousin in US Customs and 2 HS friends in local jurisdictions... They are
not trained to shoot first and ask questions later... They get a lot of training/testing in threat assessment... Of which many of us would fail.
You get one chance after an officer says, "Drop the weapon!" Refuse, then it's officer's discretion... Be it a gun, knife, toy or vegetable peeler. Shoot first, and you end up like Mr. Johannes Mehserle.
Note to readers: Cal. Penal Code section 417 Defines the state law, which SJPD enforces.
Its not a matter of law or officer conduct. Fanime as a group inviting the officers to help us ensure the safety of the con choose to not even have the officers or Fanime staff put in any such situation. For this reason, we establish our weapons policy that all members are required to follow as a condition of your membership and the ability to freely enjoy our programming.
Quote from: Jidai Geki on May 04, 2009, 09:11:37 PM
If there were a coordinated venue for Lazer Tag in a controlled environment (A room away from general population, if I weren't clear enough), I think there would be less of a safety issue, but it's still up to Con Ops. Not recommended for play in general Con population...
You forgot this from my past posting... Nuff Said.
**Something they might be able to plan for FanimeCon 2010
Lazer tag should be played in a lazer tag facility, not at a convention. (regardless if it was a seperate section)The facility would be able to take care of accidents better. Lazer tag businesses purchase insurances for that sort of thing. They are better suited for high contact activities, and better trained.
If Fanime did something at a laser tag facility, that would be neat. But not on con grounds itself. Aside from health and safety, there wouldn't be room.
Quote from: XpHoBiaX on May 05, 2009, 02:34:34 AM
Lazer tag should be played in a lazer tag facility, not at a convention. (regardless if it was a seperate section)The facility would be able to take care of accidents better. Lazer tag businesses purchase insurances for that sort of thing. They are better suited for high contact activities, and better trained.
If Fanime did something at a laser tag facility, that would be neat. But not on con grounds itself. Aside from health and safety, there wouldn't be room.
Okay... Then swords must remain in Iaito dojos and Airsoft replicas must be returned to Japan... so on and so on...
I can tell you guys are young because you can't distinguish between Lazer Tag from Photon. Lazer Tag had a set way to play on a field that was 40 x 80 feet. There was no running around, most movement was limited to shifting you body so the sensor was out of I.R. range. Each player played in a grid position that was 4 x 4 feet. This could easily be played in one of the cons smaller venues.
What all of you are thinking about was Photon, which had computer monitored scoring/playing field, more powerful I.R. guns, a vest with 270 degree detection field and a helmet that gave players audible feedback. The last Photon/Q-zar game field in San Jose was located across VMC on Bascom Ave... It closed back in 1996 due to waning business.
World of Wonder designed Lazer Tag(tm) equipment back in 1986 to be used practically anywhere, while Photon was limited to it's unique game field... Neither game was considered a contact sport.
Not recommended for play in general Con population...
Q-Zar was awesome. I remember that. Fun, fun times.
My friend got banned for turning it into a contact sport once. Apparently shoving someones gun away and shooting them at point blank was a bad idea.
QuoteOkay... Then swords must remain in Iaito dojos and Airsoft replicas must be returned to Japan... so on and so on...
I see what you did there.
QuoteI can tell you guys are young because you can't distinguish between Lazer Tag from Photon.
I wasn't aware of the technical differences, and that has nothing to do with age. I never played either game while growing up. It was slingshots in the ghetto.lol Some people aren't that privaledged. lol
Quote from: trooper715 on May 05, 2009, 10:17:27 PM
My friend got banned for turning it into a contact sport once. Apparently shoving someones gun away and shooting them at point blank was a bad idea.
Sounds like some of the people I played against in SoCal. It's been a while since I played this, but someone always seemed to break the rules and make it a contact sport. After the millionth time of getting an elbow in the chin, I gave up. But this was a long time ago.
I'm not on staff, but it still seems like a game with a lot of liability issues unless it's REALLY controlled. But that can just be the sore chin talking. :P
Foam, and lots of it! That's the solution!
Ahh...cheating in laser tag/photon reminds me of the stories I hear about the MILES training system the army uses, which is basically really fancy laser tag. Supposed to provide nice realistic training in theory, but in the end everyone turns their cheats by turning their sensors inside out or covering them up.
And that's why now we use sim rounds. You get hit with a ridiculously high-powered paintball and not only do you know for sure that guy got hit but it provides the very real incentive to not get shot at. Something I never could get out of airsoft's little bbs. (that and it's just sad watching them plop to the ground after less than 200 feet.
I'm sure if someone was dedicated enough to figuring out the logistics of it, a lazer tag event could be organized. Won't be me though. I'm too lazy.
Quote from: XpHoBiaX on May 05, 2009, 10:45:16 PM
QuoteOkay... Then swords must remain in Iaito dojos and Airsoft replicas must be returned to Japan... so on and so on...
I see what you did there.
QuoteI can tell you guys are young because you can't distinguish between Lazer Tag from Photon.
I wasn't aware of the technical differences, and that has nothing to do with age. I never played either game while growing up. It was slingshots in the ghetto.lol Some people aren't that privaledged. lol
Sumimasen XpHoBiaX
If i have allies out there... DO NOT TARGET XpHoBiaX.
Anyone who has played soldier with slingshots is MY ally... I use seeded grapes in Junior HS... try picking the seeds out of your skin...Ouch.
Yes, I agree not everyone got to have proper equipment, but if I had my way... All world conflicts would be fought on a field of honor with High-Power Paint Balls... I have to get back to work... Geki... Over and Out.
Where we would put this, no one would know...
We're running limited on convention space =P...it'd have to be...somewhere else =P
Quote from: Steve.Young on May 06, 2009, 01:28:18 PM
Where we would put this, no one would know...
We're running limited on convention space =P...it'd have to be...somewhere else =P
Don't worry about this for Fanime 2009, Steve... In a previous post, I indicated that it
could be an event planned for FanimeCon 2010. If everyone is playing by 1988 rules... The game field is 40'x80'... It could be made smaller by reducing the amout of players per each round...
Still to consider... Location, amount of players, equipment...etc. Again, better suited for a future Con.
Someone has proposed something similar to this before, but I'm not going to bother looking for the corresponding thread.
Long story short: It is a good idea, but it would depend on the decision of Staff to give this a greenlight, but I don't see this happening.
Quote from: otakuapprentice on May 06, 2009, 06:37:17 PM
Someone has proposed something similar to this before, but I'm not going to bother looking for the corresponding thread.
Long story short: It is a good idea, but it would depend on the decision of Staff to give this a greenlight, but I don't see this happening.
Tisk, tisk... such a negative view from a Whovian... The Doctor would be disappointed... I'll try, I'll propose... But it's better than laying down to die... Even if I get 12 regenerations. If someone really wants this to happen, then they have to try... Don't just say, "That's it."... If not, then the "By Fans, For Fans." Mission statement should be removed for being a deceptive statement.
Has anyone offered to demonstrate how the gameplay will be conducted to the Fanime Resource Group? I have the feeling the answer is, "No." Sometimes to sell an idea, showing it off makes a big difference... I 'm an Eng. Tech for a major contract manufacturer here in the valley... proving that ideas can work or be built is what I do for a living.
Quote from: Jidai Geki on May 06, 2009, 08:45:28 PMTisk, tisk... such a negative view from a Whovian... The Doctor would be disappointed... I'll try, I'll propose... But it's better than laying down to die... Even if I get 12 regenerations. If someone really wants this to happen, then they have to try... Don't just say, "That's it."... If not, then the "By Fans, For Fans." Mission statement should be removed for being a deceptive statement.
Has anyone offered to demonstrate how the gameplay will be conducted to the Fanime Resource Group? I have the feeling the answer is, "No." Sometimes to sell an idea, showing it off makes a big difference... I 'm an Eng. Tech for a major contract manufacturer here in the valley... proving that ideas can work or be built is what I do for a living.
Some clarification:
- otakuapprentice is correct in stating that there was a previous thread about this. There was numerous reasons for it not happening that year, but that doesn't mean that we will never come back to the idea.
- Hero Ninja's post made it sound as if people would buy the cheaper laser tag equipment from Toys R Us and run around shooting in each other. There's a difference between our members running around shooting each other and FanimeCon officially planning it.
I like your enthusiasm, but please remember that FanimeCon does go over new and exciting events that we would bring to FanimeCon. If something doesn't happen, it isn't because someone just said "NO" but because there were many factors in preventing it from occuring. If you don't believe me, Programming was able to bring in Bushido (http://www.fanime.com/events/bushido.html) this year. :)
Also, Saying that the "By Fans, For Fans" motto needs to be removed because a non-staff member poster shot down your idea isn't really fair. If it helps, the staff has reviewed laser tag several times behind the scenes.
Quote from: Jidai Geki on May 06, 2009, 07:01:15 AM
Quote from: XpHoBiaX on May 05, 2009, 10:45:16 PM
QuoteOkay... Then swords must remain in Iaito dojos and Airsoft replicas must be returned to Japan... so on and so on...
I see what you did there.
QuoteI can tell you guys are young because you can't distinguish between Lazer Tag from Photon.
I wasn't aware of the technical differences, and that has nothing to do with age. I never played either game while growing up. It was slingshots in the ghetto.lol Some people aren't that privaledged. lol
Sumimasen XpHoBiaX
If i have allies out there... DO NOT TARGET XpHoBiaX.
Anyone who has played soldier with slingshots is MY ally... I use seeded grapes in Junior HS... try picking the seeds out of your skin...Ouch.
Pfft. I was using those brown spiked things that fell off of trees and rocks. XD Then in junior high it evolved into those little popper things you throw on the ground. I had an arm sling shot thingy. It was so cool.
Quote from: MPLe on May 07, 2009, 06:44:01 PM
Also, Saying that the "By Fans, For Fans" motto needs to be removed because a non-staff member poster shot down your idea isn't really fair. If it helps, the staff has reviewed laser tag several times behind the scenes.
The one non-staff member didn't shoot down my idea. What I should have said was that The mission statement should be removed if a fan(s) are not given a fair chance to demonstrate their cause. It's one thing to see it here in textual description and another to see it/play it. I keep asking if anyone remembers the game rules established in 1986, but no one has responded... So that either means, no one remembers or no one has really played the game correctly. How injured can you get if the player's area is 4'x4', no physical contact with other players, no running or jumping. Original Lazer Tag was more like speed elimination (Think paintball without the welts)... How fast could you get all the health meters on one team to zero. Original Lazer Tag WERE those cheap sets at Toys R Us... It's just now their being made by Tiger and not W.O.W. To play everyone would have to have uniform equipment, else it wouldn't work... Also, I'm not too sure of how much of Photon/Q-zar equipment is still around... I saw a box of transceiver units and guns being "parted out" a few years ago at Halted Specialties.
If need be, consider one year making it an exhibition sport at Fanime. A demonstration with experienced players/cos-players...I'm sure people would enjoy watching Sailor Moon shoot it out with Pretty Cure. Anywho, anyone who want to further this idea has a year to plan (FanimeCon 2010). Aside from DDR, evening dances and the Masquerade... there's not a whole lot of physical events that general Con attendees can participate in... something to look into for 2010.
Again to make this clear enough, "Brandishing a Lazer Tag weapon in general Con population is NOT reccommened."
Quote
Pfft. I was using those brown spiked things that fell off of trees and rocks. XD Then in junior high it evolved into those little popper things you throw on the ground. I had an arm sling shot thingy. It was so cool.
Fruit from the Liquidambar styraciflua or American Sweetgum tree is one thing (I knew that Botany class would come in handy one day), using rocks was not a good exercise of common sense... We used seeded grapes because they acted like paintballs. The seeds were to remind us not to get hit. I used a wrist-rocket slingshot also back then... with a homemade 5oz. counterbalance and sight... With magnum bands installed a fair sized rock had a velocity of about 550-625 ft/sec. A direct hit with a rock to anyones head and they'd be in the emergency room... Well, If they're lucky. So, you and your friends were shooting each other with rocks???
Remember: Grapes = Misdemeador Charge, Rocks = Felony Charge
Why not just host a gathering of people who want to do this at a certain location if you want to see it happen to this extent?
Quote from: LordKefka on May 09, 2009, 02:38:59 PM
Why not just host a gathering of people who want to do this at a certain location if you want to see it happen to this extent?
1. Gathering could imply non-con related activity... (i.e. You guys all go down to Discovery Meadows and go shoot yourself.)
2. Fanime Resource Group has already made it clears that they have no remaining venues to conduct such an event... Even if we were able to.
3. Competitors wouldn't have enough time to find the appropriate gear... (1986 units shot farther and were more accurate... Even in daylight.)
I look into new con options, because I got tired of
some MAJOR media professionals refering to FanimeCon as a 4-day fashion show for the obsessed... I want to be able to suprise attendees with new/ different things so that after they leave they can say, "The other Cons never had anything like that and I wonder what they'll do next year." I have a standing belief that, "If you don't innovate, you stagnate and perish."
So this topic stands postponed for a future date... END OF TOPIC.