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Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: short_storiesgl on April 27, 2007, 05:02:48 PM
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Title: i know!
Post by: Yunlei on April 27, 2007, 05:38:37 PM
oh just bring your passport! i have a student id too but im gonna bring my passport ^^ oo and the web said we can only pick up our badge on thursday... then how come i heard that you cna pick it up on friday?
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: Alexandria on April 27, 2007, 05:49:32 PM
I highly doubt we can ONLY pick up our badges on Thursday. xD;; Otherwise anyone who preregistered but can't miss school/work/whatever on Friday wouldn't be able to get into the convention afterwards. I picked my badge up on Saturday last year. oO;;

I think they mean you cannot register at the convention itself. That means only people who are preregistered are allowed to pick up their badges on Thursday, not that people can only pick up preregistered badges on Thursday. xD;
Title: oo
Post by: Yunlei on April 27, 2007, 05:57:48 PM
oooo ty so much! now i dont have to worry! :oops:  :D  :D  :D
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: phoenixphire24 on April 27, 2007, 07:47:39 PM
A lot of people don't have passports, and I don't think school IDs work. However, you can go to the DMV and get an ID card. It's like a drivers licence, but without the car driving part. I'm not sure what state you're from, but here's the info from the CA site:

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/idinfo/idcard.htm
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: short_storiesgl on April 27, 2007, 08:13:31 PM
Quote from: phoenixphire24A lot of people don't have passports, and I don't think school IDs work. However, you can go to the DMV and get an ID card. It's like a drivers licence, but without the car driving part. I'm not sure what state you're from, but here's the info from the CA site:

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/idinfo/idcard.htm
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Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: Lizchan33 on April 27, 2007, 10:04:56 PM
You can use a school ID to get it (I did it my first few years)
It needs your name and a photo.
and You can pick up pre reg badges at any time during the con, but thursday and friday are the most popular days to get them
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: FanFicGuru on April 27, 2007, 10:30:52 PM
Every year they say they're cracking down for SURE...yet every year they take school ID's.

Personally, I think it'd be dumb to expect your demographic of 14-17 year olds to all have state IDs when most are still in school.

If they really do crack down, find someone with a state ID to be your 'guardian'. Typically that works.
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: short_storiesgl on April 27, 2007, 10:55:27 PM
Quote from: FanFicGuruEvery year they say they're cracking down for SURE...yet every year they take school ID's.

Personally, I think it'd be dumb to expect your demographic of 14-17 year olds to all have state IDs when most are still in school.

If they really do crack down, find someone with a state ID to be your 'guardian'. Typically that works.

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Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: FanFicGuru on April 27, 2007, 11:57:48 PM
Quote from: "short_storiesgl"
Quote from: "FanFicGuru"Every year they say they're cracking down for SURE...yet every year they take school ID's.

Personally, I think it'd be dumb to expect your demographic of 14-17 year olds to all have state IDs when most are still in school.

If they really do crack down, find someone with a state ID to be your 'guardian'. Typically that works.

My boyfriend will he work?
Cause i want my pass.

Shouldn't be a problem. but i'm not registration staff.
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: short_storiesgl on April 28, 2007, 12:08:06 AM
Quote from: "FanFicGuru"
Quote from: "short_storiesgl"
Quote from: "FanFicGuru"Every year they say they're cracking down for SURE...yet every year they take school ID's.

Personally, I think it'd be dumb to expect your demographic of 14-17 year olds to all have state IDs when most are still in school.

If they really do crack down, find someone with a state ID to be your 'guardian'. Typically that works.

My boyfriend will he work?
Cause i want my pass.

Shouldn't be a problem. but i'm not registration staff.


i  hope so.......
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: LordKefka on April 28, 2007, 07:56:05 PM
OMG!! Another GUnslinger Girl faaaannnnn!!!
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: FanFicGuru on April 28, 2007, 10:16:30 PM
As am I...

btw, person who posted above me, it says you're registration staff. Do you have an answer to her question?
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: LordKefka on April 28, 2007, 10:31:24 PM
I think you need a real id like a driver's license is what another staff from previous fanime cons told me.
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: short_storiesgl on April 29, 2007, 09:00:25 PM
Quote from: "LordKefka"I think you need a real id like a driver's license is what another staff from previous fanime cons told me.
i hate my life.
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: AnimeEmperor on April 29, 2007, 09:18:20 PM
Quote from: "phoenixphire24"A lot of people don't have passports, and I don't think school IDs work. However, you can go to the DMV and get an ID card. It's like a drivers licence, but without the car driving part. I'm not sure what state you're from, but here's the info from the CA site:

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/idinfo/idcard.htm
For anyone who goes this route it took me five minutes at the DMV, but then a month for it to arrive. I hear it's usually like a couple weeks, so do it NOW and you might get it in time.



...school ID should work though.
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: LordKefka on April 29, 2007, 11:31:37 PM
yeah maybe. I'm not too sure myself so yeah...

All I know is what I need to do requires me an official id. But I'll find out for you when I attend the staff meeting on the 20th. Hopefully it's not too late or someone else can answer before me.

Just kinda hang around the boards for a bit.
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: LordKefka on April 29, 2007, 11:49:45 PM
Ok, I just asked one of the higher ups and another staff member and you do need an official ID. SOWY...=(

But get one!
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: RyuHayabusa on April 29, 2007, 11:57:13 PM
from the official staff website:

You MUST present a government-issued photo ID to pick up your staff badge. A driver's license, state ID, or military ID will suffice. School IDs are NOT valid IDs.

so there ya go.
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: short_storiesgl on April 30, 2007, 09:12:49 AM
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Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: LordKefka on April 30, 2007, 12:12:29 PM
You don't have any kind of id other than school?..=\

You can always go to the DMV and just get a non-driver's license id. You need proof of residency in the state of Cali for more than a month (with a piece of mail to your house postmarked for more than a month), your birth certificate, and your social security card, and your passport (if you have one). They'll give you an id like the driver's license except you can't drive. Also, they give you the id right there and then.

Hope that helps....
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: LadyKaren on April 30, 2007, 04:20:50 PM
You know, more people will probably read this if you change the topic name from, "PLEASE READ!!!" to something like, "Information for those without Identification besides school ID" or something like that.

It's useful information, but if someone's looking for a specific piece of information, such as this one, they aren't going to look here.

Just a suggestion from your local mod.
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: KindaRandomKris on April 30, 2007, 04:36:59 PM
I've used my school ID since my first Fanime :\ Okay yeah, that was only 3 years ago, but I've used it every year since.
I personally think it's a little unreasonable to expect a hardcore ID (by which I mean license, state, etc.). I always thought something official-looking (like school ID) with your picture and name would be enough, but eh.
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: FanFicGuru on April 30, 2007, 08:30:43 PM
Quote from: "KindaRandomKris"I've used my school ID since my first Fanime :\ Okay yeah, that was only 3 years ago, but I've used it every year since.
I personally think it's a little unreasonable to expect a hardcore ID (by which I mean license, state, etc.). I always thought something official-looking (like school ID) with your picture and name would be enough, but eh.

As I said before, registration staff will say

"Official state ID, WE MEAN IT!"

every year, but if they actually enforced it, they would be facing a huge portion of their demographic being very VERY pissed if they got turned away, and rioting would probably ensue shortly afterwards.

So, try and find someone over 18 with an ID to vouch for you or something, if not, try not to worry about it too much.
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: LordKefka on April 30, 2007, 09:46:53 PM
Quote from: "FanFicGuru"
Quote from: "KindaRandomKris"I've used my school ID since my first Fanime :\ Okay yeah, that was only 3 years ago, but I've used it every year since.
I personally think it's a little unreasonable to expect a hardcore ID (by which I mean license, state, etc.). I always thought something official-looking (like school ID) with your picture and name would be enough, but eh.

As I said before, registration staff will say

"Official state ID, WE MEAN IT!"

every year, but if they actually enforced it, they would be facing a huge portion of their demographic being very VERY pissed if they got turned away, and rioting would probably ensue shortly afterwards.

So, try and find someone over 18 with an ID to vouch for you or something, if not, try not to worry about it too much.

I'm sorry.. please don't hate me =(
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: short_storiesgl on April 30, 2007, 10:40:50 PM
Quote from: FanFicGuru
Quote from: KindaRandomKrisI've used my school ID since my first Fanime :\ Okay yeah, that was only 3 years ago, but I've used it every year since.
I personally think it's a little unreasonable to expect a hardcore ID (by which I mean license, state, etc.). I always thought something official-looking (like school ID) with your picture and name would be enough, but eh.

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Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: FanFicGuru on April 30, 2007, 11:33:10 PM
Quote from: "short_storiesgl"
Quote from: "FanFicGuru"
Quote from: "KindaRandomKris"I've used my school ID since my first Fanime :\ Okay yeah, that was only 3 years ago, but I've used it every year since.
I personally think it's a little unreasonable to expect a hardcore ID (by which I mean license, state, etc.). I always thought something official-looking (like school ID) with your picture and name would be enough, but eh.

As I said before, registration staff will say

"Official state ID, WE MEAN IT!"

every year, but if they actually enforced it, they would be facing a huge portion of their demographic being very VERY pissed if they got turned away, and rioting would probably ensue shortly afterwards.

So, try and find someone over 18 with an ID to vouch for you or something, if not, try not to worry about it too much.



So i can use my boyfriend even tho this is for the Thursday pick up

and i bought the pass online and im picking it up? on thursday?
SO HELP ME LORD!

It isn't rocket science. Stop having a panic attack, lol.

Plan on going on Thursday. Try to find someone over 18 with an ID to go with you. IF YOU CAN'T: Don't worry. Hell, PM me. I'm 21 with an ID. *sigh* I'll be there on Thursday.
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: phoenixphire24 on May 01, 2007, 01:17:24 PM
I just wanted to add that if you plan on going to any events that require an ID, like bishie bingo, I know they turned people away who didn't have an official ID.
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: short_storiesgl on May 01, 2007, 01:27:10 PM
Quote from: "FanFicGuru"
Quote from: "short_storiesgl"
Quote from: "FanFicGuru"
Quote from: "KindaRandomKris"I've used my school ID since my first Fanime :\ Okay yeah, that was only 3 years ago, but I've used it every year since.
I personally think it's a little unreasonable to expect a hardcore ID (by which I mean license, state, etc.). I always thought something official-looking (like school ID) with your picture and name would be enough, but eh.

As I said before, registration staff will say

"Official state ID, WE MEAN IT!"

every year, but if they actually enforced it, they would be facing a huge portion of their demographic being very VERY pissed if they got turned away, and rioting would probably ensue shortly afterwards.

So, try and find someone over 18 with an ID to vouch for you or something, if not, try not to worry about it too much.



So i can use my boyfriend even tho this is for the Thursday pick up

and i bought the pass online and im picking it up? on thursday?
SO HELP ME LORD!

It isn't rocket science. Stop having a panic attack, lol.

Plan on going on Thursday. Try to find someone over 18 with an ID to go with you. IF YOU CAN'T: Don't worry. Hell, PM me. I'm 21 with an ID. *sigh* I'll be there on Thursday.


Can i love you? If all goes to hell i will go to you, but if not its cool.
and THANK YOU
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: FanFicGuru on May 01, 2007, 02:06:39 PM
Quote from: "short_storiesgl"
Quote from: "FanFicGuru"
Quote from: "short_storiesgl"
Quote from: "FanFicGuru"
Quote from: "KindaRandomKris"I've used my school ID since my first Fanime :\ Okay yeah, that was only 3 years ago, but I've used it every year since.
I personally think it's a little unreasonable to expect a hardcore ID (by which I mean license, state, etc.). I always thought something official-looking (like school ID) with your picture and name would be enough, but eh.

As I said before, registration staff will say

"Official state ID, WE MEAN IT!"

every year, but if they actually enforced it, they would be facing a huge portion of their demographic being very VERY pissed if they got turned away, and rioting would probably ensue shortly afterwards.

So, try and find someone over 18 with an ID to vouch for you or something, if not, try not to worry about it too much.



So i can use my boyfriend even tho this is for the Thursday pick up

and i bought the pass online and im picking it up? on thursday?
SO HELP ME LORD!

It isn't rocket science. Stop having a panic attack, lol.

Plan on going on Thursday. Try to find someone over 18 with an ID to go with you. IF YOU CAN'T: Don't worry. Hell, PM me. I'm 21 with an ID. *sigh* I'll be there on Thursday.


Can i love you? If all goes to hell i will go to you, but if not its cool.
and THANK YOU

Don't worry about it. Just PM me and I'll make arrangements to meet up with you.

Oh, good point about official id for other events, but according to the video schedule, Hot Yaoi nights is now an 'all ages welcome' event. So...I'm guessing they won't need official ID for that.

For Hentai rooms and stuff they will for sure, and I can't help you with that part. >_<
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: LadyKaren on May 01, 2007, 02:15:29 PM
Quote from: "FanFicGuru"
Oh, good point about official id for other events, but according to the video schedule, Hot Yaoi nights is now an 'all ages welcome' event. So...I'm guessing they won't need official ID for that.  

You're only half right -

Friday Night: all ages.
Saturday and Sunday only: 18+ with ID at the door.

*snickers* Just thinking Hot Yaoi nights is an 'all age' event would be hilarious.
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: FanFicGuru on May 01, 2007, 02:59:15 PM
Quote from: "LadyKaren"
Quote from: "FanFicGuru"
Oh, good point about official id for other events, but according to the video schedule, Hot Yaoi nights is now an 'all ages welcome' event. So...I'm guessing they won't need official ID for that.  

You're only half right -

Friday Night: all ages.
Saturday and Sunday only: 18+ with ID at the door.

*snickers* Just thinking Hot Yaoi nights is an 'all age' event would be hilarious.

Ah ok. Well, I'm not a yaoi fan so it's no biggie. And I'm 21 so again, no real biggie. lol
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: LordKefka on May 02, 2007, 12:56:26 AM
Well good luck to you.
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: sukurudo on May 02, 2007, 01:25:54 AM
Quote from: "FanFicGuru"
Quote from: "KindaRandomKris"I've used my school ID since my first Fanime :\ Okay yeah, that was only 3 years ago, but I've used it every year since.
I personally think it's a little unreasonable to expect a hardcore ID (by which I mean license, state, etc.). I always thought something official-looking (like school ID) with your picture and name would be enough, but eh.

As I said before, registration staff will say

"Official state ID, WE MEAN IT!"

every year, but if they actually enforced it, they would be facing a huge portion of their demographic being very VERY pissed if they got turned away, and rioting would probably ensue shortly afterwards.

So, try and find someone over 18 with an ID to vouch for you or something, if not, try not to worry about it too much.

"Officially" (legally) we can only accept State issued IDs as School IDs are not legal IDs.

There are obviously other ways to verify identity which are not necessarily publicized, but knowing all the information connected to the registration account is something that would be good to know. (email address, mailing address, fan name, etc...)
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: M on May 02, 2007, 03:09:51 PM
Quote from: "skuld"
Quote from: "FanFicGuru"So, try and find someone over 18 with an ID to vouch for you or something, if not, try not to worry about it too much.

"Officially" (legally) we can only accept State issued IDs as School IDs are not legal IDs.

There are obviously other ways to verify identity which are not necessarily publicized, but knowing all the information connected to the registration account is something that would be good to know. (email address, mailing address, fan name, etc...)

I don't think that having someone over 18 vouch for you works.
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: phoenixphire24 on May 02, 2007, 06:05:21 PM
short_storiesgl: you might want to e-mail the registration staff directly and get an official answer from them. You don't want to show up with wrong form of ID and not get into the con. You can also ask about having a parent/someone else vouch for you.
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: FanFicGuru on May 02, 2007, 08:29:00 PM
I vouched for my sister and her friends last year.

Again, I re-iterate the silliness of requiring a state issued ID for a convention that caters to a majority of younger high school students that don't really need it at the age they're at.

However, that's just me. I also understand that what is said on the boards and in the rules and what actually happens when people go to pick up their badge are two very different things.
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: Barnes on May 02, 2007, 08:42:57 PM
My brother's middle school ID worked for him last year. Hmm.
This thread confuses me. :?
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: yumicchi88 on May 03, 2007, 02:32:31 PM
is a post card gonna be sent this time? for pre-registered ones?
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: short_storiesgl on May 03, 2007, 02:55:01 PM
Thank you So much for the help you've all given me.
You will know who i am at con via if you see me jumping up and down  or crying either way you'll know.But thank you for all the help and post you guys are awesome!

Best people ever.Thanks again Everything was helpful
                                                                    -Ari
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: phoenixphire24 on May 03, 2007, 02:58:08 PM
Quote from: "yumicchi88"is a post card gonna be sent this time? for pre-registered ones?

No, they stopped doing that after 2005. Too costly.
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: Pimpstress Rei on May 03, 2007, 04:10:01 PM
I didn't know getting a government-issued ID was so hard o.O

I recently traveled abroad and happened to lose my CA state ID, so I went to the DMV to get a new one. I brought in my passport and social security card (but you can bring in a birth certificate instead with your school ID) to the DMV about two weeks ago to get an ID. They looked at my passport, looked at me, told me to sign a bunch of forms and then I took my picture. I got my ID a week later. Oh, and it's rather costly. I think it was between $21-23 to get it done. But hey, at least you have a surefire ID for the next 5-6 years!
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: FanFicGuru on May 03, 2007, 07:49:56 PM
Quote from: "Pimpstress Rei"I didn't know getting a government-issued ID was so hard o.O

I recently traveled abroad and happened to lose my CA state ID, so I went to the DMV to get a new one. I brought in my passport and social security card (but you can bring in a birth certificate instead with your school ID) to the DMV about two weeks ago to get an ID. They looked at my passport, looked at me, told me to sign a bunch of forms and then I took my picture. I got my ID a week later. Oh, and it's rather costly. I think it was between $21-23 to get it done. But hey, at least you have a surefire ID for the next 5-6 years!

I don't think that it's so much 'hard' as it is 'inconvenient'. I mean, for the most part you don't really NEED a state issued ID until you're like, 16-17 when you start working. Even then people get by with birth certificates and such. That's the main reason I find it kind of silly to REQUIRE State ID at an event where (maybe I"m wrong?) a decent number of the attendees are at or below said age.
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: Tenba on May 04, 2007, 06:49:56 PM
Quote from: "FanFicGuru"I find it kind of silly to REQUIRE State ID at an event where (maybe I"m wrong?) a decent number of the attendees are at or below said age.
I completely agree with you.  Furthermore, I find it likely that even the upper management at FanimeCon would agree with you too.  However, I think it might be a government requirement rather than a FanimeCon requirement...?

The basic problem is that money is involved.  Worse, it's non-immediate online money.  FanimeCon doesn't give you the badge right when you pay.  You pay, and then months later, someone picks up the badge.  Fanime needs to somehow verify that it's OK for that person to pick up the badge, and Fanime can't tell if that person is you or not.  Someone can look through the names of likely Fanime attendees in the forum member list, and pick names of people who (a) posted saying they're pre-registered and (b) used their real names in the forum member list.  Then the identity thief can photoshop a school ID (any school ID -- Fanime doesn't know what school you go to) with their own picture and the forum member's name.  If they get in line really early, they can beat the real person to the registration line, and Fanime wouldn't be able to tell that the photoshop school ID isn't real because school IDs are just not standard.  Some schools might have laminated badges with bar codes.  Other school IDs might be just cheap pieces of paper.  If Fanime gives someone else your badge, there's money involved, and people might sue.  Government IDs are a lot more standard and a lot harder to fake.  It's a lot easier to make up a random private school than it is to make up a whole state.

In any case, the basic problem is that, at the registration booth, the Reg staff person doesn't know that you're the same person who paid the money for the badge all those months ago, and because money is involved, very bad things can happen if they gave a badge to the wrong person.  If Fanime required government IDs, then they can sue the thief for violating government laws.  It's much harder to do that if the thief only forged a school ID.

One way to solve this problem in the future might be to tag each registration with a long computer-generated, unique string.  So, when you register, you get a confirmation code like "AJSB893KB92JG0ABO2AAJSKDLF" that you would can bring in and use to verify that you're you.  So, if you don't have a government issued-ID, that ID string should uniquely identify you as the person who paid for the registration.  If Fanime can find enough money to get very fancy, they can have you print out a bar code and then use a scanner to scan it into the computer to pull up your record and verify you're you.  That'd be way cool.

Another way to solve the ID problem is to just not let people without government IDs pre-register.  If you register at the con, the reg staff person can know for sure that they're giving the badge to the person who's paying the money.  

Anyways, I think that's why school IDs can never be accepted.  The postcard got around the issue because, theoretically, people can only receive the postcard for the account they paid for.  Lacking that, I think a confirmation string might work for replacing the postcard.  Note that the confirmation string needs to only be three letters long to uniquely identify every Fanime registrant, so the string doesn't have to be long at all.
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: FanFicGuru on May 04, 2007, 07:32:07 PM
Quote from: "Tenba"
Quote from: "FanFicGuru"I find it kind of silly to REQUIRE State ID at an event where (maybe I"m wrong?) a decent number of the attendees are at or below said age.
I completely agree with you.  Furthermore, I find it likely that even the upper management at FanimeCon would agree with you too.  However, I think it might be a government requirement rather than a FanimeCon requirement...?

The basic problem is that money is involved.  Worse, it's non-immediate online money.  FanimeCon doesn't give you the badge right when you pay.  You pay, and then months later, someone picks up the badge.  Fanime needs to somehow verify that it's OK for that person to pick up the badge, and Fanime can't tell if that person is you or not.  Someone can look through the names of likely Fanime attendees in the forum member list, and pick names of people who (a) posted saying they're pre-registered and (b) used their real names in the forum member list.  Then the identity thief can photoshop a school ID (any school ID -- Fanime doesn't know what school you go to) with their own picture and the forum member's name.  If they get in line really early, they can beat the real person to the registration line, and Fanime wouldn't be able to tell that the photoshop school ID isn't real because school IDs are just not standard.  Some schools might have laminated badges with bar codes.  Other school IDs might be just cheap pieces of paper.  If Fanime gives someone else your badge, there's money involved, and people might sue.  Government IDs are a lot more standard and a lot harder to fake.  It's a lot easier to make up a random private school than it is to make up a whole state.

In any case, the basic problem is that, at the registration booth, the Reg staff person doesn't know that you're the same person who paid the money for the badge all those months ago, and because money is involved, very bad things can happen if they gave a badge to the wrong person.  If Fanime required government IDs, then they can sue the thief for violating government laws.  It's much harder to do that if the thief only forged a school ID.

One way to solve this problem in the future might be to tag each registration with a long computer-generated, unique string.  So, when you register, you get a confirmation code like "AJSB893KB92JG0ABO2AAJSKDLF" that you would can bring in and use to verify that you're you.  So, if you don't have a government issued-ID, that ID string should uniquely identify you as the person who paid for the registration.  If Fanime can find enough money to get very fancy, they can have you print out a bar code and then use a scanner to scan it into the computer to pull up your record and verify you're you.  That'd be way cool.

Another way to solve the ID problem is to just not let people without government IDs pre-register.  If you register at the con, the reg staff person can know for sure that they're giving the badge to the person who's paying the money.  

Anyways, I think that's why school IDs can never be accepted.  The postcard got around the issue because, theoretically, people can only receive the postcard for the account they paid for.  Lacking that, I think a confirmation string might work for replacing the postcard.  Note that the confirmation string needs to only be three letters long to uniquely identify every Fanime registrant, so the string doesn't have to be long at all.

I agree with ALMOST everything you said here except for the idea of requiring a state ID to pre register.

The thing is, if I understand it correctly, is that Fanime uses Pre-registration money (that is non-refundable for a reason) to reserve the convention hall, set up guests and dealers and basically RUN the whole thing.

What would happen if everyone without a State ID could no longer pre-register? lol...Fanime would have a MUCH smaller amount of money to actually set up the convention and would have to speculate a LOT more on the expected turnout.

That, and the lines would be even more horrific than they are now.

The unique ID code is a great idea, and it's do-able with emails and stuff, which makes me wonder why they don't do something like that. Like "Present this code at pickup" and they can use a number generator or code generator and make a note of it in the registrations.

Someone brings their pass, turns in their code, it brings up a name and account and then a lower-level photo ID such as school ID would be more acceptable.

Anyways, I'm kinda miffed with registration staff right now for another reason...but I won't go into detail.

I'll just say that I don't like systems where you have a company that receives money from the consumer ahead of time with no refund policy, and then the consumers are basically at the mercy of the company with no power whatsoever because they already have your money locked away. Even if you said "Fine, forget you guys!" they still have your 55 dollars.

To me, that helps set up a customer-service situation that robs the consumers of power.

I'm done.
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: Tenba on May 04, 2007, 08:21:06 PM
Quote from: "FanFicGuru"I agree with ALMOST everything you said here except for the idea of requiring a state ID to pre register.
^_^;  Sorry about that.  I said it was a solution to the ID problem, but I didn't mean to say it was a good solution overall.  I was partly using it as an example to point out why the school ID thing might not have been a problem before online reg and pre-reg.

Quote from: "FanFicGuru"The unique ID code is a great idea
Thanks!  (I got it from the airlines.  ;) )

Quote from: "FanFicGuru"I'll just say that I don't like systems where you have a company that receives money from the consumer ahead of time with no refund policy
On the other hand, assuming everything you say about Fanime needing money early is correct, then it would suck for them to try to refund money they've already spent.
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: Eri on May 05, 2007, 05:14:33 PM
Quote from: "FanFicGuru"

The unique ID code is a great idea, and it's do-able with emails and stuff, which makes me wonder why they don't do something like that. Like "Present this code at pickup" and they can use a number generator or code generator and make a note of it in the registrations.

Someone brings their pass, turns in their code, it brings up a name and account and then a lower-level photo ID such as school ID would be more acceptable.

Isn't that what the printable post cards are for? It was my understanding that there is something that gets released around now to print out and take with you to pick up your badge...

Anyways, awhile back, skuld and mple posted answers to the ID issue. It boils down to legal issues... And, skuld specifically stated that there are other ways to verify that you are indeed.. you.

QuoteAnyways, I'm kinda miffed with registration staff right now for another reason...but I won't go into detail.

That's too bad... Reg staff are really nice people :(
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: LordKefka on May 05, 2007, 05:50:03 PM
Quote from: "Eri"
Quote from: "FanFicGuru"

The unique ID code is a great idea, and it's do-able with emails and stuff, which makes me wonder why they don't do something like that. Like "Present this code at pickup" and they can use a number generator or code generator and make a note of it in the registrations.

Someone brings their pass, turns in their code, it brings up a name and account and then a lower-level photo ID such as school ID would be more acceptable.

Isn't that what the printable post cards are for? It was my understanding that there is something that gets released around now to print out and take with you to pick up your badge...

Anyways, awhile back, skuld and mple posted answers to the ID issue. It boils down to legal issues... And, skuld specifically stated that there are other ways to verify that you are indeed.. you.

QuoteAnyways, I'm kinda miffed with registration staff right now for another reason...but I won't go into detail.

That's too bad... Reg staff are really nice people :(

hated on already before the convention even starts...*sniff*....
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: Tenba on May 05, 2007, 09:25:11 PM
Quote from: "Eri"Isn't that what the printable post cards are for?
Oh!  I didn't realize those existed.  ^_^;  Sorry!
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: FanFicGuru on May 05, 2007, 10:25:33 PM
Quote from: "Eri"
Quote from: "FanFicGuru"

The unique ID code is a great idea, and it's do-able with emails and stuff, which makes me wonder why they don't do something like that. Like "Present this code at pickup" and they can use a number generator or code generator and make a note of it in the registrations.

Someone brings their pass, turns in their code, it brings up a name and account and then a lower-level photo ID such as school ID would be more acceptable.

Isn't that what the printable post cards are for? It was my understanding that there is something that gets released around now to print out and take with you to pick up your badge...

Anyways, awhile back, skuld and mple posted answers to the ID issue. It boils down to legal issues... And, skuld specifically stated that there are other ways to verify that you are indeed.. you.

QuoteAnyways, I'm kinda miffed with registration staff right now for another reason...but I won't go into detail.

That's too bad... Reg staff are really nice people :(

Printable post cards? I would like some more information on this because I haven't heard anything about that...hrmmm

As far as the registration issue goes...i don't hate them. The issue has been resolved as best as it could be. I just get worried when my money is pretty much secured in the bank this early on. I mean, when you typically run a business-like operation, you cater to your customers because they can take their business elsewhere and/or return already bought items, and you want to protect your money. In this case (for reasons I explained earlier, so I understand) the money is non-refundable and sometimes (emphasis here...SOMETIMES) that makes me uncomfortable because I feel like at that point they see no need to handle my (or anyone else's) problem in the way that's most efficient for their customer since they already have their money.

Again, I don't hate the staff...I don't even particularly hate the system because I understand that they need it to host the convention.

It just makes me wonder sometimes, in a customer satisfaction situation, how much pull fans have since the money is gone.

That's all I'm saying.
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: phoenixphire24 on May 06, 2007, 02:08:16 PM
Quote from: "Tenba"
Quote from: "Eri"Isn't that what the printable post cards are for?
Oh!  I didn't realize those existed.  ^_^;  Sorry!

Yeah, I read something about this on another thread a long time ago. Are they still going to do this?
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: Sen on May 06, 2007, 04:47:01 PM
We implemented the "printable postcard" about a year ago to save costs. It will be available through your accounts soon so yes we are still doing this. I cannot give you a definite date yet. You print out the "postcard" and bring it with you and a valid government issued ID to the con and you'll get your badge. It makes things A LOT easier and faster if you have both of those.
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: ~~Loktera~~ on May 07, 2007, 09:01:39 AM
Would the printed receipt from your registration suffice?
Title: INFO on PASS PICKUP (ID INFO)!!!(READ)
Post by: Sen on May 07, 2007, 01:21:13 PM
Quote from: "~~Loktera~~"Would the printed receipt from your registration suffice?

By the printed receipt I assume you mean the one you get when you register? or pay?
The printable postcard that I am talking about is different from those two and the postcard is the one we want to see. I hope that clears things up a bit.  :shock: