So, after some SUPER LAME confusion and malarky, the infamous How To Talk To Girls panel will be happening!
I will reply back with the time and location, but it's looking as though it won't be marked on the schedule = : <
It's happening sometime today, and even though I host it, I've not been informed of when or where.
I will do my best to spread the word, check in with the Con helpdesk thinger, and ask "where the eff is my how to talk to girls panel?!"
HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL THERE! :oops: [/u]
Here's to hoping it gets in the printed sunday schedule tomorrow morning.
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yea this would be interesting to see.
good lord, i need to make it to this in '08. i NEED to.
wow was this a workshop in 07? i totally didnt know about it it would have been interesting to watch ..i will be sure to ask where it is next year!
Actually there were two panels about this subject, but only one of them happened...
How to talk to Fan Girls
How to talk to Fan Boys
The latter happened two years ago and I'm hoping that I can do it again next year.
Craige...
Hmmm this should be intresting
Wow, ever since I've been attending Fanime, I've always seen that panel on the schedule... I'd get curious all the time to see what do they talk about, but I never end up going. lol. What happens there?
Guys complain that girls are too complicated?
I assume that there is advice given out on how to approach a girl and the do's and dont's.
Quote from: Steve.Young on November 05, 2007, 09:40:00 AM
Guys complain that girls are too complicated?
I assume that there is advice given out on how to approach a girl and the do's and dont's.
thats the kind of advice I need but mostly on the how to approach part.
Hmm...they make it seem like its a complex thing...
Quote from: Montparnasse on November 06, 2007, 07:16:26 PM
Hmm...they make it seem like its a complex thing...
You have no idea, jk. They do huh? But it'll help people.
Guys, I must say. We need a how to talk to guys panel.
Quote from: Steve.Young on November 14, 2007, 10:51:11 AM
Guys, I must say. We need a how to talk to guys panel.
Your kidding right? I mean do girls actually have a hard time talking to a guy? Hmmm..........................................
lol I remember my friend and I peeked in and it was soooo creepy because the speaker stopped talking and a sea of male's turned their heads arround. so we just ran
Quote from: JohnnyAR on November 14, 2007, 02:12:21 PM
Quote from: Steve.Young on November 14, 2007, 10:51:11 AM
Guys, I must say. We need a how to talk to guys panel.
Your kidding right? I mean do girls actually have a hard time talking to a guy? Hmmm..........................................
Somehow I don't believe "Steve Young" is a girl.
Are they planning to do this again ? I've never been to it. I don't know I don't think I'm going check it out in 2008
No, I'm not a girl. I'm just saying that since the girls are hosting one, us guys need to get one going =P
Quote from: Steve.Young on November 15, 2007, 09:52:28 AM
No, I'm not a girl. I'm just saying that since the girls are hosting one, us guys need to get one going =P
Somehow, the idea of guys leading a panel to teach girls how to talk to men sort of scares me. =|
ok
yea better leave it to the girls to teach us men. otherwise us guys we think we are right and do something completely foolish and perverted. not to say i am guilty of any of that (yes i am, cuz i r stupid sometimes XP) but yea.
i always wanted to go to the how to talk to girls one just to see what it's like. but i hope they have a how to talk to guys one to. i missed it before. i need advice and help.
Guy should host this because Girls are waaay too conditional when asked for advice.
Take it from me personally, it's easier to get help from guys.
I probably won't be attending this, I'll just be talking to girls.
I remember this panel when I attended 3-4 years back...
Some good laughs for the midnight panel ;D
In retrospect, this really does teach teens good tips on how to deal with people in general =P)
How do these usually go, I've never been...they look pretty fun...
I saw the line of people attending those and I laughed.
My first tip for guys attending fanime on how to talk to girls:
-what happens in anime is not real.
Thats all
Quote from: DemonLordZabuza on March 10, 2008, 11:48:29 PM
I saw the line of people attending those and I laughed.
My first tip for guys attending fanime on how to talk to girls:
-what happens in anime is not real.
Thats all
yea tru but isnt there a lesson to be learned in some anime's like how to treat a girl properly? and friendship?
Quote from: clawmaster on March 11, 2008, 06:53:28 AM
Quote from: DemonLordZabuza on March 10, 2008, 11:48:29 PM
I saw the line of people attending those and I laughed.
My first tip for guys attending fanime on how to talk to girls:
-what happens in anime is not real.
Thats all
yea tru but isnt there a lesson to be learned in some anime's like how to treat a girl properly? and friendship?
Sort of, but the romantic logic in cartoons aren't always realistic, and don't necessarily work in real life. Most of them are
parodies of real life, and the people who score are supposed to be lucky. Following it would more likely get you dubbed as a freak or in a "you're like a brother to me" position.
He's not really in the position to give advice about talking to women, however.
ah ok. I do have a question though and I should wait for the panel but just out of curiosity is being nice a bad thing? i mean like all the time or uhhh most of the time?
Quote from: clawmaster on March 11, 2008, 03:16:39 PM
ah ok. I do have a question though and I should wait for the panel but just out of curiosity is being nice a bad thing? i mean like all the time or uhhh most of the time?
Of course. If there's no reason to do otherwise, then you should always be nice to people. This is common courtesy. However, it's not always a good thing to always cater to other people's needs. Girls generally want someone that will be nice to them and treat them with respect, but they also want a boy that is mentally prepared to take them into their responsibilities and provide the right things for them while still being a boyfriendly figure for them.
From what it looks like, though, girls don't always go for the nice guys because the majority of the time, they're pretty boring and/or spineless, but the ultimate reason is because they want something real. A nice guy is generally fake, despite nice being a good thing, it's impossible to have a nice front without faking it at times, which makes it less than honest. Honesty and being yourself is real, and it's only then when a person is showing who they truly are, rather than to impress the people that should love and accept them for who they are.
On the other hand, some girls like to be catered to and pampered to the extent they want their boys to act and impress them by doing things they want and approve of. But with that sort of relationship, it isn't completely honest, let alone real. A good majority would deny this, but I'm sure you understand where I'm getting at. It's not that girls like dating assholes, since... who wants to love someone who'll treat you improperly and disrespect you? (With the exception of certain masochists, I assume.) As a girl of a supposed asshole (and he is XD) I hate it when "nice guys" get butthurt over, "Why do all the girls like assholes!? I'm super nice to them and give them everything they want!" instead of contemplating the qualities they might lack. And most likely, they'd probably lack experience in understanding a relationship and what actual companionship entails. This is okay for girls with less experience, from what I know, at least.
I guess it comes down to, always strive to improve yourself, be yourself, be a good person, and learn to understand others. With that, you'd probably have the foundation and means to provide for someone else, especially someone that you love and will have love you in return.
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on March 11, 2008, 03:38:50 PM
Quote from: clawmaster on March 11, 2008, 03:16:39 PM
ah ok. I do have a question though and I should wait for the panel but just out of curiosity is being nice a bad thing? i mean like all the time or uhhh most of the time?
Of course. If there's no reason to do otherwise, then you should always be nice to people. This is common courtesy. However, it's not always a good thing to always cater to other people's needs. Girls generally want someone that will be nice to them and treat them with respect, but they also want a boy that is mentally prepared to take them into their responsibilities and provide the right things for them while still being a boyfriendly figure for them.
From what it looks like, though, girls don't always go for the nice guys because the majority of the time, they're pretty boring and/or spineless, but the ultimate reason is because they want something real. A nice guy is generally fake, despite nice being a good thing, it's impossible to have a nice front without faking it at times, which makes it less than honest. Honesty and being yourself is real, and it's only then when a person is showing who they truly are, rather than to impress the people that should love and accept them for who they are.
On the other hand, some girls like to be catered to and pampered to the extent they want their boys to act and impress them by doing things they want and approve of. But with that sort of relationship, it isn't completely honest, let alone real. A good majority would deny this, but I'm sure you understand where I'm getting at. It's not that girls like dating assholes, since... who wants to love someone who'll treat you improperly and disrespect you? (With the exception of certain masochists, I assume.) As a girl of a supposed asshole (and he is XD) I hate it when "nice guys" get butthurt over, "Why do all the girls like assholes!? I'm super nice to them and give them everything they want!" instead of contemplating the qualities they might lack. And most likely, they'd probably lack experience in understanding a relationship and what actual companionship entails. This is okay for girls with less experience, from what I know, at least.
I guess it comes down to, always strive to improve yourself, be yourself, be a good person, and learn to understand others. With that, you'd probably have the foundation and means to provide for someone else, especially someone that you love and will have love you in return.
as quoated from Ron Burgedy from Anchor man, " you are a wise one" XD
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on November 14, 2007, 02:34:38 PM
Quote from: JohnnyAR on November 14, 2007, 02:12:21 PM
Quote from: Steve.Young on November 14, 2007, 10:51:11 AM
Guys, I must say. We need a how to talk to guys panel.
Your kidding right? I mean do girls actually have a hard time talking to a guy? Hmmm..........................................
Somehow I don't believe "Steve Young" is a girl.
LOL
Quote from: clawmaster on March 11, 2008, 04:26:30 PM
as quoated from Ron Burgedy from Anchor man, " you are a wise one" XD
lolol ty
i know its just from one point of view of what I just asked but it makes me wonder now. no i am not going to pour my whole lifestory so people would feel sorry for me. but reading your reponse...maybe i do need to be at this panel and sneak away from my friends (if they found out i am going to this panel they would never let it down). yea I am wondering how many other guys will be there since i am guessing most of us are arrgont about it and say "I know how to talk to girls."
Quote from: clawmaster on March 11, 2008, 05:03:23 PM
i know its just from one point of view of what I just asked but it makes me wonder now. no i am not going to pour my whole lifestory so people would feel sorry for me. but reading your reponse...maybe i do need to be at this panel and sneak away from my friends (if they found out i am going to this panel they would never let it down). yea I am wondering how many other guys will be there since i am guessing most of us are arrgont about it and say "I know how to talk to girls."
Uhm... if you're actually looking for advice for relationships, the panel probably isn't the best place to go. Not to talk badly about the people who run the panel, but the panel generally isn't for "relationships" more about approaching women, as in strangers and creating an atmosphere where the girl doesn't feel disgusted and to walk off. Frankly, there's millions of ways to do things, but in general, as I have said, is having a POSITION of your own, and the CONFIDENCE to stand your ground. In other words, doing things because you want to, and being your own person. In general that's the only advice that makes sense and works in every situation.
Heh heh. Even Pyron-chan had to put up with a bit of a fight approaching me in a sense.
-Shrugs.- But in the end, succeeded.
Quote from: PyronIkari on March 11, 2008, 05:22:56 PM
Quote from: clawmaster on March 11, 2008, 05:03:23 PM
i know its just from one point of view of what I just asked but it makes me wonder now. no i am not going to pour my whole lifestory so people would feel sorry for me. but reading your reponse...maybe i do need to be at this panel and sneak away from my friends (if they found out i am going to this panel they would never let it down). yea I am wondering how many other guys will be there since i am guessing most of us are arrgont about it and say "I know how to talk to girls."
Uhm... if you're actually looking for advice for relationships, the panel probably isn't the best place to go. Not to talk badly about the people who run the panel, but the panel generally isn't for "relationships" more about approaching women, as in strangers and creating an atmosphere where the girl doesn't feel disgusted and to walk off. Frankly, there's millions of ways to do things, but in general, as I have said, is having a POSITION of your own, and the CONFIDENCE to stand your ground. In other words, doing things because you want to, and being your own person. In general that's the only advice that makes sense and works in every situation.
what u said does sound true but kinda of the other posts she made too. I am only using my own exp with life so far and I rather not talk about it here on the forums since this is more for discussing about how this panel will turn out and how it will be runed. so I pm both of u about it. thx for the advice though.
I don't really have a problem talking to girls it finding girls to talk to that I'm interested in. So find some cute girls who wanta go out on a date and I'm there!
Quote from: havok rt on March 12, 2008, 11:18:03 PM
I don't really have a problem talking to girls it finding girls to talk to that I'm interested in. So find some cute girls who wanta go out on a date and I'm there!
I find this sorta funny. Finding cute girls isn't a problem. Making them want to go out on a date with you... comes from the you talking to them part.
So somewhere in your statement, there is a lie or a falacy. ^^
(speaking from experience) Geek girls find geek guys attractive. We like the things you like, and we've likely been snubbed by the cool guys so we know what that's like. I got asked out by nerds in high school, but I wasn't a nerd, so I sought out costume/cosplay/theater geeks and found some really nice ones. My sweetie is an anime geek who isn't into costuming, but that's okay. We still have many similar interests, and I remember being happy when I met him because so many guys don't get anime. With him I could be myself.
Self esteem is really important. If you don't have it, we can sense it and will avoid you like the plague. If you have too much, we'll run the other direction. Just be comfortable with yourself and be open to meeting new people.
Quote from: kimono_hime on March 13, 2008, 10:25:35 AM
(speaking from experience) Geek girls find geek guys attractive. We like the things you like, and we've likely been snubbed by the cool guys so we know what that's like. I got asked out by nerds in high school, but I wasn't a nerd, so I sought out costume/cosplay/theater geeks and found some really nice ones. My sweetie is an anime geek who isn't into costuming, but that's okay. We still have many similar interests, and I remember being happy when I met him because so many guys don't get anime. With him I could be myself.
Self esteem is really important. If you don't have it, we can sense it and will avoid you like the plague. If you have too much, we'll run the other direction. Just be comfortable with yourself and be open to meeting new people.
I can kind of see what you mean, as the majority of people I've dated have some knowledge of anime/otaku-culture and whatnot, but I actually really don't like the types without anything else to offer-- a real life, good friends, experience, other interests, etc. A lot of people who have these sorts of interests tend to be socially inept and/or have nothing else to offer. After some experience, I would not want to date a geek/nerd that cannot function socially or take care of him/herself. My standard for girls are a bit different, but approaching girls as a girl is a bit different from approaching girls as a guy. But anyway, it's not only I can be myself around my boyfriend, but he'd actually know what the hell I'd be talking about. Pyron and I have common interests in and out of otaku-dom, amongst other qualities that keep me around him.
And as much as I'd hate to say it, self-esteem... if a guy doesn't have it, then he appears spineless and less masculine. It doesn't matter if you're some jrock viskei femmy guy, but you need to be able to stand your ground, be okay with yourself and how you're flirting with us, and be a man. Some girls will find it cute if you're nervous, but that's not most likely the attention you want to get. It's actually VERY difficult for me to explain, as it seems more than "if you seem confident, then you'll get the girl", as some people could just look and sound like their heads are up their arses. It's good to find the compromise of what confident and self-centered is. For some reason, I find myself somewhat attracted to arrogance, but I like those who are humble as friends. Not many guys or girls can properly pull it off, and a lot of girls can't seem to pull it off without looking like a b*tch, otherwise it's pretty hot. But views on girls are a bit different and sexually biased in society, so that bit is unnecessary info to get into.
Quote from: PyronIkari on March 13, 2008, 08:21:00 AM
Quote from: havok rt on March 12, 2008, 11:18:03 PM
I don't really have a problem talking to girls it finding girls to talk to that I'm interested in. So find some cute girls who wanta go out on a date and I'm there!
I find this sorta funny. Finding cute girls isn't a problem. Making them want to go out on a date with you... comes from the you talking to them part.
So somewhere in your statement, there is a lie or a falacy. ^^
Actually it neither a lie nor a fallacy. I don't get out much, its either work or school so I don't have much spare time. Plus where am I to find cute geek chicks?!?! ???
Quote from: havok rt on March 13, 2008, 11:28:14 PM
Quote from: PyronIkari on March 13, 2008, 08:21:00 AM
Quote from: havok rt on March 12, 2008, 11:18:03 PM
I don't really have a problem talking to girls it finding girls to talk to that I'm interested in. So find some cute girls who wanta go out on a date and I'm there!
I find this sorta funny. Finding cute girls isn't a problem. Making them want to go out on a date with you... comes from the you talking to them part.
So somewhere in your statement, there is a lie or a falacy. ^^
Actually it neither a lie nor a fallacy. I don't get out much, its either work or school so I don't have much spare time. Plus where am I to find cute geek chicks?!?! ???
I'm just guessing here but... at an anime convention? ^^
Quote from: havok rt on March 13, 2008, 11:28:14 PM
Quote from: PyronIkari on March 13, 2008, 08:21:00 AM
Quote from: havok rt on March 12, 2008, 11:18:03 PM
I don't really have a problem talking to girls it finding girls to talk to that I'm interested in. So find some cute girls who wanta go out on a date and I'm there!
I find this sorta funny. Finding cute girls isn't a problem. Making them want to go out on a date with you... comes from the you talking to them part.
So somewhere in your statement, there is a lie or a falacy. ^^
Actually it neither a lie nor a fallacy. I don't get out much, its either work or school so I don't have much spare time. Plus where am I to find cute geek chicks?!?! ???
I think what he'd be referring to is your last statement, where he probably assumed that you DO go on these dates with girls, rather, you were just saying you'd be there if there was an opportunity? From your last post, you don't really seem like you know what you're doing.
It's easy to find girls, but a relationship-- even a date, requires you to give them time. If you cannot provide time for your relationship, you're in no position to decide to be in one without some sort of mutual agreement that you'd rarely see each other. Otherwise, you'd have only enough time for casual dates and one-night stands.
As for "cute geek chicks", depends on what kind of geek. I think you refer to the otaku/weeaboo/gamer sort... they're abundant but I finding a cute one takes a bit of effort. It irks me when people get excited over "Omg! A
girl otaku/gamer?! Those don't exist!" where they obviously are everywhere now-a-days. If they had the time to leave their houses every once in a while, perhaps they'd realize it. If you have that sort of interest, you should already have an idea where to find them.
Quote from: Kava on March 14, 2008, 12:35:48 AM
Quote from: havok rt on March 13, 2008, 11:28:14 PM
Quote from: PyronIkari on March 13, 2008, 08:21:00 AM
Quote from: havok rt on March 12, 2008, 11:18:03 PM
I don't really have a problem talking to girls it finding girls to talk to that I'm interested in. So find some cute girls who wanta go out on a date and I'm there!
I find this sorta funny. Finding cute girls isn't a problem. Making them want to go out on a date with you... comes from the you talking to them part.
So somewhere in your statement, there is a lie or a falacy. ^^
Actually it neither a lie nor a fallacy. I don't get out much, its either work or school so I don't have much spare time. Plus where am I to find cute geek chicks?!?! ???
I'm just guessing here but... at an anime convention? ^^
Brilliant *raise a bottle of Guinness*
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and I could go on and about my romantic life but I spare you all the boredom and say a "hell yeah!" to the panel.
Haha wait, tell me this is a serious panel :D
If so sign me up ;D
Yay, this year's panel is going to be the best ever.
I can't wait to see you all and dispense my timeless tactics for ladyfriend-snaring!
So what are you guys doing, exactly? Is the panel in need of 'test subjects'? If so, SIGN ME UP! This would be fun...=]
I am now more slightly interested after all these comments. I think it would be funny.
In my consumer behavior business class, we started getting into the psychology behind guys + girls. Most girls admit to being a lot of different things which I won't get into here, and a lot of guys admitted to be certain things as well. Being fake is ingrained into us socially, due to the nature of hollywood and the "perfect" relationship (It's hard to be "REAL"). Every relationship has fights, problems, and what not; it's how you deal with them that counts.
My philosophy on relationships, shit happens. Get over it.
Quote from: Steve.Young on March 17, 2008, 07:00:41 PM
My philosophy on relationships, shit happens. Get over it.
How does that even apply? If you honestly have this sort of belief to handling problems in your relationship, rather than addressing the issue and coming to a compromise, dealing with you as a partner must be like dating a brick wall. Yes, couples fight once in a while, otherwise, it wouldn't be a completely healthy relationship, BUT they don't just tell each other to
get over it. What if the problem still exists? The person still bothered by it will still be affected, not only that but it'll most likely build up and make them feel insecure about not being able to talk to their partner, because they're too busy with a philosophy of "Shit happens. Get over it".
Because, I've tried that approach several times with communication and talking about issues, doesn't work. Either the girls I dated were just weird (Possibility) or it's a more widespread thing among relationships (Who knows?). I didn't just develop that philosophy overnight, it would make me out to seem like a huge jerk, which I'm not (A little bit, yea). It was created out of experience. Shit happens, get it over it. Dwell on something insignificant and that little thing becomes something more than it is not. It applies well in life for me in my business and most other things.
Now I'm not advocating the use of telling people to just get over it, I'm saying if your gf/bf does something stupid that's relatively insignificant (Honestly, admit it. There are times when someone does something that bugs you, but it's so stupid you know it shouldn't bug you).
In essence, get over it.
Anyways, my philosophy tends to apply for a whole relationship in general. Like when you break up or when something happens, often you hear "That's just life".
"Shit happens, Get over it" is a condensed version of my philosophy. I could explain it to you in nauseating detail, but I'm not going to. Don't have that much time on my hands.
*Shrugs*
If you're only referring to little problems, why are you using that philosophy as if it applies to everything in a relationship? Of course you don't dwell on insignificant things, but that applies to anything in life. It doesn't mean you ignore all problems altogether. Are you implying that communication ISN'T important in a relationship? If there's a problem bothering your partner, and you just ignore it and tell them to "get over it", you're just being negligent and insensitive. If your own philosophy becomes a problem in itself, I can sure as hell say that your partner isn't overreacting if he or she decides to get upset.
Though, "Shit happens, get over it" might apply to casual relationships better than they would in a serious one. Unless, STDs are involved, of course.
I think you're reading a little too deeply into what Steve_Young is saying, its not so much a philosophy and approach as it is a general jaded attitude to not get your panties in a knot every time something bad happens and approaching volatile relationship situations knowing that its never the end of the world. Haha it's usually a guy thing, don't take it too literally :D
Quote from: Atlus on March 18, 2008, 09:12:51 PM
I think you're reading a little too deeply into what Steve_Young is saying, its not so much a philosophy and approach as it is a general jaded attitude to not get your panties in a knot every time something bad happens and approaching volatile relationship situations knowing that its never the end of the world. Haha it's usually a guy thing, don't take it too literally :D
That's just BS, right there. I had already said... if it's an insignificant issue, yeah. You let it go, and there's no point on dwelling in it. I'm talking about issues that actually bother one of or both people in the relationship significantly. They should talk it out, and communication is important. If I'm troubled by something that's affecting my well-being and the health of my relationship, I talk to my boyfriend about it and we get through it together. Him ignoring it is a sign that he doesn't care enough to keep things good with me and try to make me happy with how things are between us, which I'm glad he doesn't do.
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on March 18, 2008, 10:31:30 PM
Quote from: Atlus on March 18, 2008, 09:12:51 PM
I think you're reading a little too deeply into what Steve_Young is saying, its not so much a philosophy and approach as it is a general jaded attitude to not get your panties in a knot every time something bad happens and approaching volatile relationship situations knowing that its never the end of the world. Haha it's usually a guy thing, don't take it too literally :D
That's just BS, right there. I had already said... if it's an insignificant issue, yeah. You let it go, and there's no point on dwelling in it. I'm talking about issues that actually bother one of or both people in the relationship significantly. They should talk it out, and communication is important. If I'm troubled by something that's affecting my well-being and the health of my relationship, I talk to my boyfriend about it and we get through it together. Him ignoring it is a sign that he doesn't care enough to keep things good with me and try to make me happy with how things are between us, which I'm glad he doesn't do.
well yes, obviously you should talk about major issues and have good communication, at what point did I disagree with that? Im just saying I think you're interpreting steve_youngs post too literally, Im pretty sure if he were in a relationship with somebody he cared about he wouldnt just ignore major problems. But who knows, maybe I'm wrong and he would just ignore it, but even so it doesn't put you or me in a place to say thats wrong or right. Ultimately if that were his literal philosophy he would be hard pressed to find a working relationship, so everything kind of balances out in the end ;D
im sorry but i can't believe we're having this panel =/
i saw the beginning of the 1 that was 3 years ago and it talked about hitting on girls/ approaching girls you don't know. i walked out after i heard that.
Quote from: JTchinoy on March 18, 2008, 10:56:37 PM
im sorry but i can't believe we're having this panel =/
i saw the beginning of the 1 that was 3 years ago and it talked about hitting on girls/ approaching girls you don't know. i walked out after i heard that.
I think that the problem most guys going to the panel probably have. After all the first step is usually the hardest.
well to me, hollering at a girl with a pick up line is the dumbest idea in the world, which is what he was trying to promote if i remember correctly. he was trying to say "how to present a pick up line" or something. i was like WOW! walking away!
and i somehow don't think that the kind of people that we'll be seeing at this panel are going to be the "hollering" type.
maybe it's just that i hate all the BS mind games of dating and whatnot. i'm sick of it and i just like being real to who i am. a girl that you holler at is less likely to be a keeper than a girl that you met and talked to and naturally developed a crush for and vice versa. but that's just me.
i can probably quote my friend's speech on how to get a girl at this panel, but it's a load of BS that works too. so i prefer not giving out the secret to getting a one night stand. >:(
girl, if you and i were both squirrels, id bust a nut for you.
do you believe in love at first sight or should i walk by again?
Quote from: Atlus on March 18, 2008, 09:12:51 PM
I think you're reading a little too deeply into what Steve_Young is saying, its not so much a philosophy and approach as it is a general jaded attitude to not get your panties in a knot every time something bad happens and approaching volatile relationship situations knowing that its never the end of the world. Haha it's usually a guy thing, don't take it too literally :D
I think I should just change the title of my philosophy so other girls don't get on me for me being a complete jerk. Something like "Dont get your panties in a bunch philosophy" or "That's just life philosophy". I might get less hostile reactions than "shit happens".
Oh well, miscommunication's happen. Shit happens, I'm over it. I like Ice Cream Cake. Anyone else?
P.S. Some corny lines
"Did it hurt? When you fell from heaven?"
"Now fuck me if I'm wrong, but is your name chuck?"
"Do you have a map? Cuz Honey, I just keep gettin lost in your eyes."
"Do you have a band-Aid? Cos I just scraped my knee falling for you. "
"Is your dad in jail? Cuz he stole the stars and put them in your eyes."
i lost my phone number, can i borrow yours?
OH NOS! I DONT READ POSTS!
As long as you need a place to sit, you'll always have my face.
Quote from: norcalduy on March 19, 2008, 01:04:54 AM
OH NOS! I DONT READ POSTS!
good pick up line. :D
i'll use that on my next date.
Is your dad a jeweler? cuz it looks like he took 2 diamonds and put them in your eyes.
Let's play war, I'll lay down and you blow the hell out of me!
That outfit is horrible take it off right now!!!
Im like domino's pizza, if I dont come in 30 minutes the next one is free.
these lines sure do work!
Baby, I'm like Taco Bell...I'll spice up your night.
maybe we should be teaching this panel.
Sit on my face and I'll guess your weight.
no i dont think copy/pasting stupid pick up lines gives us authority to teach any guy how to talk to girls aka JUST TALK TO THEM YOU PANSIES. jeez
If I had a dollar for every chick I'd seen as hot as you... I'd have one dollar!!
well your post about sums up how to get a girl.
These last few posts have potential =).
You are like an oyster, hard to open but its worth the pearl.
ok last one for today, i gotta sleep for class tomorrow.
I don't normally date models, but ok, here's my number...
x: thoes pick up lines are weak!
I have heard better lines from a tuna fish sandwich
I find that talking to girls is fairly easy when we're DOING THE SAME THING. The key is finding SOMETHING immediately in common and discussing that. In the case of Fanime, it's fairly easy-- nearly everyone there is interested in the same thing!
She's next in line for DDR and you're on? Invite her up! Let her play the other pad. Say Hi. Ask what songs she likes to play (and play them!!). In line for Parapara Paradise with her? Ask her if she's played before. Ask her if she likes the music, the dancing... WHAT is it that brought you two to the same place?
In the dealer's hall? Ask what she's looking for. Maybe help her find it (BONUS POINTS there). Was it a series you liked? Say that.
Together in a Cosplay photo-shoot/Gathering? Discuss the series. Ask what she liked about it FIRST off. I find letting the girl talk first helps warm things up.
Is she holding a Yaoi paddle? And you're dressed as Itsuki or Kyon from Haruhi? Run quickly.
On the way to the Yuri-marathon room? Good luck bud. :P
I really should take the advice I post here more often... *sniff*
well you just listed every way to meet a girl at fanime. now give one for outside of fanime. :)
another weak ass pickup line <3
POOF! (What are u doing?) I'm here, where are your other two wishes?
Quote from: zoupzuop2 on March 19, 2008, 04:11:14 PM
I find that talking to girls is fairly easy when we're DOING THE SAME THING. The key is finding SOMETHING immediately in common and discussing that. In the case of Fanime, it's fairly easy-- nearly everyone there is interested in the same thing!
In the dealer's hall? Ask what she's looking for. Maybe help her find it (BONUS POINTS there). Was it a series you liked? Say that.
*sweat drop* thats gonna be hard for me, I've never met a Hellsing and/or NGE fangirl that is my age *sigh*
I will state this one more time.
None of you should be offering advice about picking up women. I really mean that. No advice, is better than bad advice. And the blind leading the blind is worse than experimenting on your own.
^^ Rofl. True story.
Quote from: PyronIkari on March 19, 2008, 08:38:42 PM
I will state this one more time.
None of you should be offering advice about picking up women. I really mean that. No advice, is better than bad advice. And the blind leading the blind is worse than experimenting on your own.
But what if one of the blind guys had like SUPER CRAZY SENSES like the Daredevil what about that HMMMMM!??
Quote from: PyronIkari on March 19, 2008, 08:38:42 PM
I will state this one more time.
None of you should be offering advice about picking up women. I really mean that. No advice, is better than bad advice. And the blind leading the blind is worse than experimenting on your own.
My love for you is about as fat as you are!
:-*
^^ that wont get you a girl lol. Worse pick up line yet =P
I just use a Potato Sack, the rest just explains itself...
Quote from: Steve.Young on March 20, 2008, 12:33:57 AM
^^ that wont get you a girl lol. Worse pick up line yet =P
maybe not, but it was picked for use on pyronikari. ;)
Whisper in her ear and say, "wanna feel pretty tonight?"
that one will work 100% :o
Really, I'd like to see some evidence of this. Me and you meet up at Fanime, and you show me that it works 100% =P.
I'd be fascinated if it works 1/10000 times
sure!
*goes get a girl i already know*
ready when you are ;)
eff you mikey im the best.
ohhhh you're gonna get it now.
HIT THE DECK!
Quote from: JTchinoy on March 20, 2008, 01:03:38 AM
Whisper in her ear and say, "wanna feel pretty tonight?"
that one will work 100% :o
Personally, my response to that one would be... "I already feel pretty. Though, I'm sure I'd be prettier if
you weren't standing next to me." ^-^
:P
Or y'know... I'd just glare or completely ignore and walk away. Might earn you a nickname though. Y'know... something like... "Mr. Creepy" or "Mr. Smarmy" or "Idiot". =)
Getting back on topic... this thread should be about the panel. If you guys want to spam lame and stupid pick up lines, can you please do so in another forum? ^-^ Thanks!
Quote from: Kava on March 20, 2008, 09:24:37 AM
Quote from: JTchinoy on March 20, 2008, 01:03:38 AM
Whisper in her ear and say, "wanna feel pretty tonight?"
that one will work 100% :o
Personally, my response to that one would be... "I already feel pretty. Though, I'm sure I'd be prettier if you weren't standing next to me." ^-^
:P
Or y'know... I'd just glare or completely ignore and walk away. Might earn you a nickname though. Y'know... something like... "Mr. Creepy" or "Mr. Smarmy" or "Idiot". =)
Getting back on topic... this thread should be about the panel. If you guys want to spam lame and stupid pick up lines, can you please do so in another forum? ^-^ Thanks!
:(
LAME?! these are the pick up lines that these guys will be taught at this panel! how are they lame?! this is quality material here!!
And you'll know me as the guy in a box during fanime. ;)
I have never had a dream come true until the day that I met you. :o
She's right.
JT and Bronson, you should stop spamming the thread with retarded pick-up lines. While as sad as this panel may be, this thread was made to discuss it. There could always be a seperate thread for pick-up lines on byo/b/. Same with the Member Pics thread-- it was meant to have member pics and member pic-related discussions, and you guys keep spamming it when I take it to PM. God damn.
And Mister E... PLEASE... STOP MAKING IDIOTIC COMMENTS. You're almost as bad, IF NOT ALREADY, as JohnnyAR. Stop.
hey, you didn't take anything to PM with me except getting my AIM.
so at this panel, ppl really teach other guys how to talk to girls at a anime convention?
Oh I was just board, I'll be good.
Quote from: norcalduy on March 20, 2008, 11:59:43 AM
so at this panel, ppl really teach other guys how to talk to girls at a anime convention?
sadly, yes. :(
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on March 20, 2008, 11:38:41 AM
And Mister E... PLEASE... STOP MAKING IDIOTIC COMMENTS. You're almost as bad, IF NOT ALREADY, as JohnnyAR. Stop.
Hey, how are my comments more idiotic than mine?
I'll try not to make any more dumb comments in the future.
Quote from: JohnnyAR on March 20, 2008, 12:28:36 PM
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on March 20, 2008, 11:38:41 AM
And Mister E... PLEASE... STOP MAKING IDIOTIC COMMENTS. You're almost as bad, IF NOT ALREADY, as JohnnyAR. Stop.
Hey, how are my comments more idiotic than mine?
I'll try not to make any more dumb comments in the future.
oh the irony...
You better change the lock 'cause I'm the key to your heart.
Seriously Im going to agree with Jun, Stop the lame ass pick up lines. it isnt getting you anywhere and NO GIRL IN ANY WAY would be impressed with stuff like that
Discuss only about how to work on the pannel plz
Quote from: Kazuko on March 20, 2008, 03:38:07 PM
Seriously Im going to agree with Jun, Stop the lame ass pick up lines. it isnt getting you anywhere and NO GIRL IN ANY WAY would be impressed with stuff like that
Discuss only about how to work on the pannel plz
you could say the same thing about the panel itself.... :-\
Obviously they don't work, but they're amusing. :D I already stated in a previous post I don't believe in pick up lines.
What would people do if "lame ass" pick up lines were suggested in said panel? Would you tell the speaker to STFU because they're "lame ass"? Serious question. ??? I seriously know for a fact pick up lines were previously suggested in said panel in a previous year, my friend that was supervising said panel was even asked by a listener to attempt said "lame ass" pick up line.
^-^ That is actually a valid question that applies to the panel. Spamming the thread with said pickup lines is not valid to the panel.
Please note, I'm a moderator for this forum, I'm not one of the people who host this panel. ^-^ I'd just like you to keep your posts valid to the panel topic, please.
Thank you!
It's called a preview of what's to come in the panel. :P
so tell me, what would you do if said hypothetical situation arose? :)
Quote from: Kazuko on March 20, 2008, 03:38:07 PM
Seriously Im going to agree with Jun, Stop the lame ass pick up lines. it isnt getting you anywhere and NO GIRL IN ANY WAY would be impressed with stuff like that
Discuss only about how to work on the pannel plz
Well, I never said anything about them working or not. I thought it was pretty obvious they were just fooling around and the lameness was... well, intentional. Anyways, my point was to just ask people to stop spamming it.
Not that that matters now.
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on March 20, 2008, 11:14:15 PM
Quote from: Kazuko on March 20, 2008, 03:38:07 PM
Seriously Im going to agree with Jun, Stop the lame ass pick up lines. it isnt getting you anywhere and NO GIRL IN ANY WAY would be impressed with stuff like that
Discuss only about how to work on the pannel plz
Well, I never said anything about them working or not. I thought it was pretty obvious they were just fooling around and the lameness was... well, intentional. Anyways, my point was to just ask people to stop spamming it.
Not that that matters now.
Let's make like a fabric softener and...
j/k.
Anyone want to make bets as to how soon we start seeing the modhammer?
this has gone from a thread about the idea to people flinging poo at each other "no I am right!, no I AM RIGHT YOUR WRONG YOU LONLY PERSON!" *flings poo* yea i can already hear the banhammer from bungie coming towards this way.
Quote from: Kava on March 20, 2008, 10:01:42 PM
^-^ That is actually a valid question that applies to the panel. Spamming the thread with said pickup lines is not valid to the panel.
Please note, I'm a moderator for this forum, I'm not one of the people who host this panel. ^-^ I'd just like you to keep your posts valid to the panel topic, please.
Thank you!
you guys are a little late, kava already dropped by. hahahahaha.
Can't we all just hold hands, sing, and hope for world peace together? Or is that a little too much to ask?
On another note, is this said panel going to be happening? I may drop by in between shifts.
Quote from: JTchinoy on March 21, 2008, 12:35:19 PM
Quote from: Kava on March 20, 2008, 10:01:42 PM
^-^ That is actually a valid question that applies to the panel. Spamming the thread with said pickup lines is not valid to the panel.
Please note, I'm a moderator for this forum, I'm not one of the people who host this panel. ^-^ I'd just like you to keep your posts valid to the panel topic, please.
Thank you!
you guys are a little late, kava already dropped by. hahahahaha.
Yes, she already dropped by, and if things continue as they are, she or another mod will drop by again, modhammer swinging most likely.
They dropped the modhammer on my copy+paste ability. It's effectively neutralized. :'(
Damn people.
Hijacking and flaming have ensued since last I popped on here!
Yes, the panel 3 years ago we briefly mentioned pick up lines as someone asked us if there truly WAS such thing as a pick up line that worked. And guess what? it's true. We said "if you're doing it IN JEST, and it's OBVIOUSLY a joke to break the ice, and you quickly move on from there to be like "but, seriously... hi" it can work out. But the delivery is hard, gotta be super confident and funny to pull it off. But yeah we briefly amused ourselves with what lame pick up lines people have heard.
Doesn't hurt to go over the ABSOLUTELY WORST OF THE WORST approaches, just in case.
Anyhow. To answer one of your questions: YES, there will be a How to Talk to Girls panel this year, and it will be a fun little diversion from the typical panel antics of Fanime. It'll still be funny, but it's going to be a bit more advice focused and structured this year...just a little.
Hope to see you all there!
Jane
P.S. to that one dude: Actually. "It" (the panel, at least) DOES work. I was informed by the head of guest relations that he received multiple emails from guys that actually ended up meeting girls/ got girlfriends at/from the con by employing our tips on approaching girls successfully. and I think that's absolutely awesome. :D
im glad it helps some ppl.
Quote from: Jane_HTGPanel on March 23, 2008, 08:55:13 AM
P.S. to that one dude: Actually. "It" (the panel, at least) DOES work. I was informed by the head of guest relations that he received multiple emails from guys that actually ended up meeting girls/ got girlfriends at/from the con by employing our tips on approaching girls successfully. and I think that's absolutely awesome. :D
WAT?
Quote from: Jane_HTGPanel on March 23, 2008, 08:55:13 AM
Damn people.
Hijacking and flaming have ensued since last I popped on here!
Yes, the panel 3 years ago we briefly mentioned pick up lines as someone asked us if there truly WAS such thing as a pick up line that worked. And guess what? it's true. We said "if you're doing it IN JEST, and it's OBVIOUSLY a joke to break the ice, and you quickly move on from there to be like "but, seriously... hi" it can work out. But the delivery is hard, gotta be super confident and funny to pull it off. But yeah we briefly amused ourselves with what lame pick up lines people have heard.
Doesn't hurt to go over the ABSOLUTELY WORST OF THE WORST approaches, just in case.
Anyhow. To answer one of your questions: YES, there will be a How to Talk to Girls panel this year, and it will be a fun little diversion from the typical panel antics of Fanime. It'll still be funny, but it's going to be a bit more advice focused and structured this year...just a little.
Hope to see you all there!
Jane
P.S. to that one dude: Actually. "It" (the panel, at least) DOES work. I was informed by the head of guest relations that he received multiple emails from guys that actually ended up meeting girls/ got girlfriends at/from the con by employing our tips on approaching girls successfully. and I think that's absolutely awesome. :D
I've always wondered what the panels had to offer, and I've always peeked my head once or twice. But perhaps I'll set aside some time to sit down and see what really goes on... maybe offer a word or two of advice, if they don't mind me contributing.
Quote from: JTchinoy on March 23, 2008, 11:40:09 PM
Quote from: Jane_HTGPanel on March 23, 2008, 08:55:13 AM
P.S. to that one dude: Actually. "It" (the panel, at least) DOES work. I was informed by the head of guest relations that he received multiple emails from guys that actually ended up meeting girls/ got girlfriends at/from the con by employing our tips on approaching girls successfully. and I think that's absolutely awesome. :D
WAT?
rly?! Mabye I'll try out the panel this year.
Yep. No joke.
and Ninja-sama: We LOVE any advice audience members wanna throw out there for the guys!
We might not agree with some of it or all of it and say so, but we're all about the audience starting up topics. !!!
Can't wait! ;D
Man oh Man when is this Panel?
Quote from: Jane_HTGPanel on March 25, 2008, 08:20:37 AM
Yep. No joke.
and Ninja-sama: We LOVE any advice audience members wanna throw out there for the guys!
We might not agree with some of it or all of it and say so, but we're all about the audience starting up topics. !!!
Can't wait! ;D
For guys who aren't exactly winners in the looks department... do you think they would have more luck with girls with more athletic builds or girls with a more feminine (typical hour glass type) shape?
While this idea seems quite humorous, it could be quite practical. I too want to know when this is.
The time of the panel has yet to be determined by our lovely panel manager, Mizz Rena.
I believe it to be taking place in one of the main conference rooms on the Marriott side, Saturday, early evening... I'm hoping for 4-6 or 6-8pm, but we usually don't find out until it gets emailed and posted to the website..
There's totally the possibility that she can't work us in until Sunday, we just don't get to find out quite yet!
Quote from: JTchinoy on March 25, 2008, 11:58:51 PM
Quote from: Jane_HTGPanel on March 25, 2008, 08:20:37 AM
For guys who aren't exactly winners in the looks department... do you think they would have more luck with girls with more athletic builds or girls with a more feminine (typical hour glass type) shape?
It really depends on the lady in question. Personally, I've always found unique appearances to be more favorable than the standard of what's perceived as "attractive." I like quirky looking guys, and yes, I like the nerdy boys! A LOT of us ladies prefer that type these days, more so than ever before.
I know that, for me, intelligence and then humor and ability to have great conversations (really open, honest, witty, flowing sort of discourse) is what turns me on the most. A lot of my previous boyfriends, at first meet, I wouldn't have thought I was going to end up with them but it's the connection you make and how you relate (along with individual preferences) that makes that person suddenly the only one you've got eyes for.
My hopes with the panel, is to give tips and insider advice on how to hurtle over the obstacle of approaching and meeting these girls in a way that no matter how you look or what you think of yourself (because you guys are truly WAY too hard on yourselves! and deserve far more credit than you give)
You can show them the whole package, and get to know them in a way that doesn't have them apprehensive, or un-open to the possibility of something developing.
Everyone has something in themselves that they see as a fault in the romantic/dating scene sense.
I've been thrown into just-friend-world without a second glance or thought, due to my amazonious height. It's discouraging, but in the end, when you meet someone you can click with, you and they over-ride any superficial hold-ups you might have had. What you see as a flaw could easily be seen and accepted as a quirk or just another part of the big picture that you've totally fallen for.
So Long winded answer short: I wouldn't rule out or focus on ANY specific type of a girl's physical form, unless you naturally have a preference to and are attracted to that type. Don't be hard on yourself because most people who think less of their appearances are not seen by the whole world as they see themselves in the mirror.
Remember: We all have flaws, and we have the ability to forgive and even come to enjoy them in others, as they will with you. So, yeah, I wouldn't worry too much about looks. Most girls can be themselves more easily around someone who doesn't make them nervous (like the typically "super hot" sort of guy tends to!)
and I've had the pants literally charmed off me by some unlikely fellows in my day!
:D
I had put something here, and can't seem to delete it...so here's some emoticons for ya
:) ;) :D ;D :o :o :o ;D :D ;) :)
Quote from: Jane_HTGPanel on April 01, 2008, 02:46:00 PM
The time of the panel has yet to be determined by our lovely panel manager, Mizz Rena.
I believe it to be taking place in one of the main conference rooms on the Marriott side, Saturday, early evening... I'm hoping for 4-6 or 6-8pm, but we usually don't find out until it gets emailed and posted to the website..
There's totally the possibility that she can't work us in until Sunday, we just don't get to find out quite yet!
Quote from: JTchinoy on March 25, 2008, 11:58:51 PM
Quote from: Jane_HTGPanel on March 25, 2008, 08:20:37 AM
For guys who aren't exactly winners in the looks department... do you think they would have more luck with girls with more athletic builds or girls with a more feminine (typical hour glass type) shape?
It really depends on the lady in question. Personally, I've always found unique appearances to be more favorable than the standard of what's perceived as "attractive." I like quirky looking guys, and yes, I like the nerdy boys! A LOT of us ladies prefer that type these days, more so than ever before.
I know that, for me, intelligence and then humor and ability to have great conversations (really open, honest, witty, flowing sort of discourse) is what turns me on the most. A lot of my previous boyfriends, at first meet, I wouldn't have thought I was going to end up with them but it's the connection you make and how you relate (along with individual preferences) that makes that person suddenly the only one you've got eyes for.
My hopes with the panel, is to give tips and insider advice on how to hurtle over the obstacle of approaching and meeting these girls in a way that no matter how you look or what you think of yourself (because you guys are truly WAY too hard on yourselves! and deserve far more credit than you give)
You can show them the whole package, and get to know them in a way that doesn't have them apprehensive, or un-open to the possibility of something developing.
Everyone has something in themselves that they see as a fault in the romantic/dating scene sense.
I've been thrown into just-friend-world without a second glance or thought, due to my amazonious height. It's discouraging, but in the end, when you meet someone you can click with, you and they over-ride any superficial hold-ups you might have had. What you see as a flaw could easily be seen and accepted as a quirk or just another part of the big picture that you've totally fallen for.
So Long winded answer short: I wouldn't rule out or focus on ANY specific type of a girl's physical form, unless you naturally have a preference to and are attracted to that type. Don't be hard on yourself because most people who think less of their appearances are not seen by the whole world as they see themselves in the mirror.
Remember: We all have flaws, and we have the ability to forgive and even come to enjoy them in others, as they will with you.
So, yeah, I wouldn't worry too much about looks. Most girls can be themselves more easily around someone who doesn't make them nervous (like the typically "super hot" sort of guy tends to!)
and I've had the pants literally charmed off me by some unlikely fellows in my day!
:D
Blunt of it... most of what you said is bull.
Girls have always put humor, intelligence, thought in concerns more important than looks... for a relationship. But that isn't Initial attraction. The whole point is that, guys with less than stellar looks have much more of a problem getting into a position(note I didn't say waiting for one) to where they can show a girl their humor and wit. The issue with that is, you can't show someone this on a first meet, and frankly...
LOOKS DO MATTER.
Any girl or guy who says otherwise is full of shit. It doesn't matter to the point to where you HAVE to be extremely good looking, but you have to be very presentable. Which is the major focus of this panel isn't it? The first word, the approach, and opening the door to starting something. In which case, how you look, is extremely important, and you're being extremely misleading by saying it's not. The point is that... looks is more than your physical features, but how you dress, how you do your hair, how you manage yourself, and how you carry yourself.
Looks are important, they give off the initial persona of your true self. This is where things get tricky though. You don't want to over do it, nor do you want to be fake with who you are. Anyone can put on a nice suit, but if it's not your personality, you won't fill the suit out and it will be obvious it isn't who you are. You have to dress up well, for your personality and your comfort. I'm very much a t-shirt and jeans kind of guy. But I can still buy a nice button up shirt, I can still wear nice slacks(or even really nice jeans) and I can do my hair and still feel comfortable even if it's not the pinnacle of what I find comfortable in clothes(because in reality it would be no clothes). Dress well, groom yourself, and look complete.
As for the other part. Guys aren't hard enough on themselves, that's why they're in this position. They TALK a bunch of shit about themselves, and how they perceive themselves, but the majority don't believe half of it. They say and act that way only for pity from the opposite sex, which you gave them. If they truely believed in half the shit they say, they'd do something to better themselves and get out of their little box. They don't want this.
Guys like this want an easy answer so they can get girls without changing anything. They want a way to draw women in and stay without doing anything. Hence, they think "If I talk shit about myself, they will pity me and they will like me" but they don't actually change or try to better themselves.
They're losers that don't want to try.
Mikey can you give your opinion on my question?
The reason me asking is because the statement is based on a small article in "Men's health" magazine in which some polish scientists researched the subject and found a general relation between a woman's build (athletic build vs. broader hips in relation to waist) and how important looks were to them. So I'm curious if you would refute or support the statement?
I posted in the counterpart forum (How to Talk to Boys) a refutation of the flaming done by PyronIkari, if you wish to see it. Though in brief, his rather acidic remarks do nothing constructive at all. If you wish to disagree, fanastic! I'm a neuroscientist, so lively discussions, even disagreements on an issue, can be both enlightening and fun. Saying that the thoughts, opinions, even fears of others are posturing/lying/BS, is beyond flaming. It is destructive and disgusting. I've made plenty of mistakes as a counselor, and my greatest mistake ever was belittling the fears and concerns of the one I was counseling (yeah, I beat myself up for a long time afterwards for that one). That simply drives the fear deeper, preventing people from facing them and attaching new emotional reactions to a belief they have about themselves, others, life, or the world. Only when they really emotionally believe that they can be "social" or "desirable", then they can have constructive relationships. And yes, I'm speaking from both my own personal experience, and the experiences of many others.
Sure, looks matter. ...and at the same time, they really don't. PyronIkari is right that some men play the pity game to get a girl. ...yet most do not do that. Show some respect for Jane's opinion, and her attempt to actually help those who want it. If you still disagree with what she's doing, boycott the event. No one will force you to learn.
Man with door, can you answer my question as well? :)
I'm really trying to find multiple point of views on this answer. I myself will accept a fact given from a reputable scientist, but I know a lot of people may think otherwise. So since you are a neuroscientist and counselor, what do you think?
Quote from: JTchinoy on April 01, 2008, 04:12:49 PM
Mikey can you give your opinion on my question?
The reason me asking is because the statement is based on a small article in "Men's health" magazine in which some polish scientists researched the subject and found a general relation between a woman's build (athletic build vs. broader hips in relation to waist) and how important looks were to them. So I'm curious if you would refute or support the statement?
I think it's bull for the most. There is a logical stand point in it, that people react according to what they are. Those who care about their own looks more will care about the looks of who they date, and in reflective those who are less attractive usually want different things in comparison.
But again, this is only for initial attractions and approaching. Most women who care a lot about looks on initial points and when looking at *strangers* usually put the priority lower after a long time with specific guys. If a guy stops dressing as well over a long amount of time, the girl usually won't care as much, as long as they are still doing their part and being a good boyfriend. Guys are the same way, just not as much for the most part.
So there is a basis, but as a whole, when dealing with relationships it isn't true. I will say it is true when dealing with strangers and when judging only looks, that there is a different scale of standards.
QuoteI posted in the counterpart forum (How to Talk to Boys) a refutation of the flaming done by PyronIkari, if you wish to see it. Though in brief, his rather acidic remarks do nothing constructive at all. If you wish to disagree, fanastic! I'm a neuroscientist, so lively discussions, even disagreements on an issue, can be both enlightening and fun. Saying that the thoughts, opinions, even fears of others are posturing/lying/BS, is beyond flaming. It is destructive and disgusting. I've made plenty of mistakes as a counselor, and my greatest mistake ever was belittling the fears and concerns of the one I was counseling (yeah, I beat myself up for a long time afterwards for that one). That simply drives the fear deeper, preventing people from facing them and attaching new emotional reactions to a belief they have about themselves, others, life, or the world. Only when they really emotionally believe that they can be "social" or "desirable", then they can have constructive relationships. And yes, I'm speaking from both my own personal experience, and the experiences of many others.
Disagreement is not flaming. Flaming is baseless and done to be offensive and to make the other person angry. I disagree and provided adequate reasoning as to why I disagree. Opinions and thoughts can be wrong based on situation and reasoning. Also in dealing with the audience things don't apply when they would apply else where. The audience of this panel are not the well mannered people with bad luck and a slight confidence problem. Most of them have built mentalities of what they are and what they should be, and how women should appreciate them. They're "nice guys". Most of which at a higher degree than your average guy outside of this. It comes with culture. Most anime fans in general are social outcasts and that's why they hold onto to their hobby with such pride(or lack of compared to people that actually do follow the hobby). The line about your greatest mistake as a counselor... I will challenge. Different people need to be counseled in different ways, and some people NEED to be challenged to grow. When the entire world tells you that it's okay to be a specific way because they're scared they might offend the person, the person can and will accept it as the truth according to the person. This is a totally different situation than a serious problem about self-acceptance and self-esteem, as these people aren't lacking self-esteem, rather they don't want to accept the outside world and expect the outside world to accept and revolve around them.
This is a grand statement to make and I know that. But for the most part, when you've observed this culture for nearly 20 years, and you've seen all kinds... The main point is to make them understand "There are ways people work, and you do not define them, you can only control your own actions and thoughts". The basis of telling someone that "if you act this way, girls will talk to you and accept you" is exactly what I said in the other post. A bypass. And most importantly it is "AN ACT". It is not an understanding of social action nor is it an understanding of how actions work. You are right that when THEY believe and desire to be something, that is when things will change, but that isn't what happens. For someone to listen and get this, it takes actual listening and it takes intimate thought and conversation to help them understand this.
I've been in a small handful of relationships, and all of them, were good. I am friends with all of my ex's or at the very least we are still on good terms. I've been there for countless friends in dealing with relationships and my older friends come to me to talk to me about these things(I'm 24).
QuoteSure, looks matter. ...and at the same time, they really don't. PyronIkari is right that some men play the pity game to get a girl. ...yet most do not do that. Show some respect for Jane's opinion, and her attempt to actually help those who want it. If you still disagree with what she's doing, boycott the event. No one will force you to learn.
You're missing the point entirely and trying so hard to defend someone I'm not even attacking. Looks do matter at which stage, at which point, and in what reference, and they don't at which point, which stage, and in what reference. Most do not play the pity game? Bull... you don't now anime fans. A genre where pity, and pathetic actions are rewarded and constantly praised. Where shows are dedicated to losers and pathetic men are praised and rewarded in fantasy settings. Is there a wonder why a lot of losers like anime? It constantly instills to them that, being a loser is okay, and they don't need to become more. This panel doesn't change that, this panel merely says "ACT like this". It has nothing to do with changing and growing, nor understanding. Which in the long run will benefit most of these guys, because they'll get the short-term attention they want, but chances are they won't be able to hold a relationship as what they are is an act.
They're merely learning another act to become something they aren't, with the idea that they will be rewarded if they act that way. They will not change, they will not learn, they will not better themselves. It will be another tool for them to "use" and assume they deserve attention.
Quote from: PyronIkari on April 01, 2008, 05:39:59 PM
Quote from: JTchinoy on April 01, 2008, 04:12:49 PM
Mikey can you give your opinion on my question?
The reason me asking is because the statement is based on a small article in "Men's health" magazine in which some polish scientists researched the subject and found a general relation between a woman's build (athletic build vs. broader hips in relation to waist) and how important looks were to them. So I'm curious if you would refute or support the statement?
I think it's bull for the most. There is a logical stand point in it, that people react according to what they are. Those who care about their own looks more will care about the looks of who they date, and in reflective those who are less attractive usually want different things in comparison.
But again, this is only for initial attractions and approaching. Most women who care a lot about looks on initial points and when looking at *strangers* usually put the priority lower after a long time with specific guys. If a guy stops dressing as well over a long amount of time, the girl usually won't care as much, as long as they are still doing their part and being a good boyfriend. Guys are the same way, just not as much for the most part.
So there is a basis, but as a whole, when dealing with relationships it isn't true. I will say it is true when dealing with strangers and when judging only looks, that there is a different scale of standards.
yeah, it's for initial attraction and suggestion for where guys of given physical appearance levels should look to have better luck with MEETING girls. It wasn't intended to show what they look for after initial attraction.
Quote from: JTchinoy on April 01, 2008, 05:47:57 PM
yeah, it's for initial attraction and suggestion for where guys of given physical appearance levels should look to have better luck with MEETING girls. It wasn't intended to show what they look for after initial attraction.
Then it makes perfect sense.
You guys have some good points.
Um. Can girls come too?
Cause I'd like to see it :D I think it's funny[like....in a cute way, not a mean way] how guys sometimes think of girls~~
But I wouldn't want to intrude or anything D:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMuIG2vE9I0
I think this will explain something XP
Pyron -
Nothing you have said has refute what I wrote, because never did I state that looks don't matter for FIRST IMPRESSIONS, infact the opposite, I said that's ALL they are good for.
ALSO, I SAID ALL THOSE THINGS WERE "IN *MY* CASE" for the first paragraph. I know what's true for me, and you can't possibly know my lovelife of yore and the men I've found attractive.. I also mentioned that alot of guys I met AT FIRST I didn't think "oh yeah that's my future bf" but they won me over in different ways.
But, either way, girls will sustainably fall for the one they feel comfortable with that has the humor and wit and relation they're looking for, and that it's a girl to girl basis, and that one can't presume an athletic girl or a feminine figured girl is going to be more forgiving. Considering that point ALONE, as it was the topic of the question, what I wrote is truthful and to ENCOURAGE one to be open-minded about the girls as they would like to have themselves judged in an open-minded facet.
In the panel, we go over the approach, hygiene, what turns girls off from the FIRST MEET a thousand times over. I felt that the question really seemed to be self deprecating and that THAT needed to be addressed as well as that no body type can be KNOWN to be more receptive to what's underneath the surface than the other. (though I will say Drop dead gorgeous girls have higher standards in looks TYPICALLY, because they obviously care bout theirs so much and are used to being approached by the broad spectrum of men)
I think your personal-experience filters disallowed you from seeing the good advice I was giving about the topic at hand, NOT ABOUT APPROACHING WOMEN IN GENERAL. That'll be covered in the panel, in full.
But I'm just guessing so, I wouldn't go so far as to call all you say bullshit, because unless you're absolutely crazy nothing you say is outright bullshit. :P
LOOK GUYS, I JUST got this thread to STOP being a flamey bitchfest with nitpicking and silliness, so if you wish to speak to me more on that, I invite you to:
[email protected] Looks matter, but in the END they don't. No matter what some magazine statistic says, it's actually not going to help your search for a ladyfriend ANY to be focusing on one physical bodytype, that was my ULTIMATE point. That and to not be so self deprecating and to be openminded in hopes you run into those that do the same for you, in the end.
p.s. Simply the fact I AM a girl, that knows enough on the subject to speak on numerous panels at various conventions over the last 5 years should imply that MAYBE I know a LITTLE about what I am talking about?
Me thinks you're the type to jump to refute people often, especially sporting your freshly "unbanned" status.
I'm just saaaayyyiing! ;)
But seriously, I appreciate what you're saying if you weren't trying to crap all over the good advice I was giving.
Let's talk more about it OFF the thread, and let the thread be more about people interested in the panel itself, not just the advice I gave to one random person here.
Though I am the host, I am one of three very opinionated panel hosts, and sometimes we bicker and have slightly different takes on the issues... I would never say I'm always right and everything I said is exactly how it is, WHO COULD SAY THAT?
But I also would never say anyone else is COMPLETELY wrong and bullshit. That's just taking misunderstood or different opinions to an offensive.
Email me! :)
P.P.S. that whole spiel on assuming guys are trying to get pity and this or that. ONE: untrue TWO: jt-chinoy : you trying to get a pity party offa me? ......I didn't think so.
Definitely some personal hangups on pyrons side that make him see the world and his peer males in such a light. I'm sure there are SOME guys that do this, but like NOT MANY. Girls see right through that crap like 80-90% of the time.
I call bullshit on YOU for that one.
BUT PLEASE.
PLEASE.
Can we take this off thread? I don't think it's doing anyone any good to sprinkle these bickerings here.
First of all, don't triple post, this is going to end up as bad ju-ju for you later on.
The hell are you talking about I'm getting a pity party off you?
I asked you the same question I asked Mikey AND manwithdoor. It's an unbiased question that has NO relation to me. I could care less what works according to that article, but I am looking at people who feel they have a good grasp on the subject whether or not they refute it. The question is purely to satisfy my own curiosity of whether or not 3 reputable individuals will support or deny a scientist's finds; nothing more and nothing less. If you think I was trying to get any pity out of you, sorry but you're extremely mislead.
I don't condone using any pity to get girls and I DO believe having confidence in yourself and having a strong sense of self identity is important to your image.
If you think I need your pity or that I'm BSing something about my life (possibly hiding my inner loathing of still being single or what have you), feel free to say so here or message me. If not, then have a good day and see you at Fanime. :) I hope your panel will help many people but I won't be there to find out as I have my own responsibilities to attend to.
Wow defensive much are you? But I'll address. It belongs in this thread because it's about the panel, and about who is running the panel.
Quote from: Jane_HTGPanel on April 04, 2008, 01:14:56 PM
Pyron
Nothing you have said has refute what I wrote, because never did I state that looks don't matter for FIRST IMPRESSIONS, infact the opposite, I said that's ALL they are good for.
It's not ALL they are good for. Keeping up decency and appearance is part of keeping up in a relationship. If you state "that's all they're good for" you are telling these guys, dress to impress once, after that, it doesn't matter... and that IS BULL SHIT. Now you are doing EXACTLY what I said and telling guys how to pick up a girl, and then giving BAD ADVICE in how to keep them. You said it, not me.
QuoteALSO, I SAID ALL THOSE THINGS WERE "IN *MY* CASE" for the first paragraph. I know what's true for me, and you can't possibly know my lovelife of yore and the men I've found attractive.. I also mentioned that alot of guys I met AT FIRST I didn't think "oh yeah that's my future bf" but they won me over in different ways.
Sorry, but stating "in my case" doesn't change that you are giving advice to people. By stating "in your case" it doesn't change that they will apply it to other people. If you only meant it to be for you and only for you, there is no point in saying it, because unless you're only giving this panel so guys will hit on you, then why bother. No one thinks "That's my future bf" they think "potential" or "maybe" or "maybe not" or "most definitely not".
QuoteBut, either way, girls will sustainably fall for the one they feel comfortable with that has the humor and wit and relation they're looking for, and that it's a girl to girl basis, and that one can't presume an athletic girl or a feminine figured girl is going to be more forgiving. Considering that point ALONE, as it was the topic of the question, what I wrote is truthful and to ENCOURAGE one to be open-minded about the girls as they would like to have themselves judged in an open-minded facet.
This is A possibility. Note to you, I was on one of your panels and I asked a very important question. "What is my end goal here, am I trying to just hook up with this girl for a one night stand, am I looking for a relationship? Am I just trying to befriend her, or am I trying to just keep my distance but observe and get to know her." A question I never got an answer to.
What if I'm not trying to make a girl fall for me... or more importantly, how do I make a girl fall for me? This was never answered at any of the panels... ever. The basic gist was merely how to approach and how to act in that instance. How to act while getting close to the person, but never really anything real outside of the basic dating aspect. "Things to do and things to not do."
Girls are girls, just like guys are guys. Being open-minded is a given. That's like telling people, don't take everything too seriously... obviously that's a given.
QuoteI think your personal-experience filters disallowed you from seeing the good advice I was giving about the topic at hand, NOT ABOUT APPROACHING WOMEN IN GENERAL. That'll be covered in the panel, in full.
But I'm just guessing so, I wouldn't go so far as to call all you say bullshit, because unless you're absolutely crazy nothing you say is outright bullshit. :P
Situational.
QuoteLooks matter, but in the END they don't. No matter what some magazine statistic says, it's actually not going to help your search for a ladyfriend ANY to be focusing on one physical bodytype, that was my ULTIMATE point. That and to not be so self deprecating and to be openminded in hopes you run into those that do the same for you, in the end.
Quotep.s. Simply the fact I AM a girl, that knows enough on the subject to speak on numerous panels at various conventions over the last 5 years should imply that MAYBE I know a LITTLE about what I am talking about?
Not that this does or does not apply, but just to point it out. You can no absolutely nothing and still speak on numerous panels at various conventions over the past 5 years. MAYBE you know a little, maybe you don't. Maybe I know a little too, without speaking at panels. This is hardly a criticism on whether you do or do not, rather, a point that, you saying this and pointing this out means you are getting overly defensive and not proving anything about it.
QuoteMe thinks you're the type to jump to refute people often, especially sporting your freshly "unbanned" status.
Freshly? I refute people that say something that can potentially cause more problems than help, or something that is questionably correct/incorrect. Here, I'll explain it.
What you say *IS* true, in some cases. However, with this particular audience, more often than not, it isn't true. Average guys in normal society yes, it applies, and what you say can help them with their mentallity. But because the subject matter is American anime fans that have no social skills(in general) to begin with, and chances are on the lower end of the spectrum since they are attending such a panel(discluding the ones that are going merely to joke around and laugh) what you said in this thread doesn't help them, and in more ways can hurt their mentallity.
QuoteBut seriously, I appreciate what you're saying if you weren't trying to crap all over the good advice I was giving.
Let's talk more about it OFF the thread, and let the thread be more about people interested in the panel itself, not just the advice I gave to one random person here.
I don't think it's good advice at all. If you still think it is... tell my why instead of just saying you hosted panels for 5 years and "it's your opinion" and you "THINK it does apply" because you "THINK that these people aren't like that". I've stated as to how and why the audience in general isn't the "average" audience and how the hobby is a basic reflection of the kind of people they are, in addition that they are going to the panel in the first place to explain mentalities.
QuoteThough I am the host, I am one of three very opinionated panel hosts, and sometimes we bicker and have slightly different takes on the issues... I would never say I'm always right and everything I said is exactly how it is, WHO COULD SAY THAT?
Absolutely no one, then why are you trying to say it right now to me though? As I stated, your advice applies, but not to this audience.
QuoteBut I also would never say anyone else is COMPLETELY wrong and bullshit. That's just taking misunderstood or different opinions to an offensive.
I already explained myself. But why are you spending so much time speaking about my word choice over what I said. You haven't even TRIED to refute anything I said, nor why what you said applies more than what I said.
QuoteP.P.S. that whole spiel on assuming guys are trying to get pity and this or that. ONE: untrue TWO: jt-chinoy : you trying to get a pity party offa me? ......I didn't think so.
Oh please. It happens all the time. I'll point you in the direction of Mister_E. Look at his posts on this forum, and you can see a good example of it. Take a look at a lot of Jerry's posts as well. PEOPLE LOVE TO PLAY VICTIM. It's extremely common, and it applies to everyone. It's the extreme they take it, and the reasoning as to why they do it that matters though. Again, *know your audience*. More examples? The guys that walk around that hold signs that say "Hug me please!" or "Glomp me!" and have this sad look on their face and go up to girls. The only reason a normal person would do it is out of pity, and these people know this.
QuoteDefinitely some personal hangups on pyrons side that make him see the world and his peer males in such a light. I'm sure there are SOME guys that do this, but like NOT MANY. Girls see right through that crap like 80-90% of the time.
Not personal hangups. It's knowing my audience. Would I say the same thing about peers in school, or peers at the workplace? A different demographic? Absolutely not(well it matters the demographic). Again, you seem to think "guys" are only "guys" and there are no other definitive properties. You can tell a lot about the general populace by their hobbies. Exceptions of course, but in general...
SHUT THE FUCK UP FAGS!! This is why the Internet Drama is invented!
TAKE IT THERE!
Quote from: Joecool1 on April 05, 2008, 12:36:03 AM
SHUT THE FUCK UP FAGS!! This is why the Internet Drama is invented!
TAKE IT THERE!
apparently you are already there.
Quote from: Joecool1 on April 05, 2008, 12:36:03 AM
SHUT THE FUCK UP FAGS!! This is why the Internet Drama is invented!
TAKE IT THERE!
4chan much?
Quote from: Joecool1 on April 05, 2008, 12:36:03 AM
SHUT THE FUCK UP FAGS!! This is why the Internet Drama is invented!
TAKE IT THERE!
Have you looked at your message history lately? The entire thing is just you randomly making comments, posts without content, and calling people fags. There's a discussion. It belongs here. YOU, however... belong in /internet drama/.
Anywho, for a panel like this, you can't exactly have high expectations for. It's hard to generalize on what and what not to do because of how situational things are in terms of getting into a relationship and flirting with the opposite sex. If Pyron's opinion isn't eligible because he's a guy, I, as a girl will say that looks do matter in both approaching, and in the relationship. Not only does it catch the attention of girls with standards, but it also tells a lot about the guy-- whether or not he is capable of taking care of himself, upholding his appearance, and having a sense of style and having standards.
Even after the relationship, it'd be fairly disappointing that they'd just become lazy because it suddenly doesn't matter. While they don't absolutely need to be uptight about their appearance once they become comfortable with their partners, it doesn't mean they can get away with being lazy and being an unpresentable boyfriend for you once they've gotten in the relationship. I just hate the idea of a guy relieving himself of his duty of actually
trying during the relationship, just because he's already got a girl. The only difference is, they're not dressing to impress you and catch your attention anymore. As superficial as it sounds, they're maintaining their personal appearance, complimenting your taste and being presentable for you to be around. It's about having style, having class, and having standards. ... and I like being able to show off my boy.
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on April 05, 2008, 02:05:46 AM
Quote from: Joecool1 on April 05, 2008, 12:36:03 AM
SHUT THE FUCK UP FAGS!! This is why the Internet Drama is invented!
TAKE IT THERE!
Have you looked at your message history lately? The entire thing is just you randomly making comments, posts without content, and calling people fags. There's a discussion. It belongs here. YOU, however... belong in /internet drama/.
Anywho, for a panel like this, you can't exactly have high expectations for. It's hard to generalize on what and what not to do because of how situational things are in terms of getting into a relationship and flirting with the opposite sex. If Pyron's opinion isn't eligible because he's a guy, I, as a girl will say that looks do matter in both approaching, and in the relationship. Not only does it catch the attention of girls with standards, but it also tells a lot about the guy-- whether or not he is capable of taking care of himself, upholding his appearance, and having a sense of style and having standards.
Even after the relationship, it'd be fairly disappointing that they'd just become lazy because it suddenly doesn't matter. While they don't absolutely need to be uptight about their appearance once they become comfortable with their partners, it doesn't mean they can get away with being lazy and being an unpresentable boyfriend for you once they've gotten in the relationship. I just hate the idea of a guy relieving himself of his duty of actually trying during the relationship, just because he's already got a girl. The only difference is, they're not dressing to impress you and catch your attention anymore. As superficial as it sounds, they're maintaining their personal appearance, complimenting your taste and being presentable for you to be around. It's about having style, having class, and having standards. ... and I like being able to show off my boy.
Just to support the thing about guys not trying once they get a girl. I was reading about that recently about it's a girl's biggest pet peeve when guys just stop trying to impress the girl once they become their girlfriend. If there's any advice that should come out of me that's anything near reputable (although it's repeating Jun's post), do things to surprise your girlfriend at least once in a while. It doesn't have to be every day, but just to keep reminding them that they're special to you. (can't word the last sentence properly)
Quote from: JTchinoy on April 04, 2008, 03:08:24 PM
The hell are you talking about I'm getting a pity party off you?
I asked you the same question I asked Mikey AND manwithdoor. It's an unbiased question that has NO relation to me. I could care less what works according to that article, but I am looking at people who feel they have a good grasp on the subject whether or not they refute it. The question is purely to satisfy my own curiosity of whether or not 3 reputable individuals will support or deny a scientist's finds; nothing more and nothing less. If you think I was trying to get any pity out of you, sorry but you're extremely mislead.
I don't condone using any pity to get girls and I DO believe having confidence in yourself and having a strong sense of self identity is important to your image.
If you think I need your pity or that I'm BSing something about my life (possibly hiding my inner loathing of still being single or what have you), feel free to say so here or message me. If not, then have a good day and see you at Fanime. :) I hope your panel will help many people but I won't be there to find out as I have my own responsibilities to attend to.
JT-CHINOY. IT WAS PYRON THAT SUGGESTED YOU WERE DOING THAT. I WAS SHOWING THAT'S NOT THE CASE. RE: PITY PARTY.
I would never suggest something offensive like that...
Anywho, I respect Pyron's opinion though not much in the initial delivery, my point was that I wasn't trying to imply all the things he was taking from my specific advice on that one question. That's all.
Well then, carry on. Yet another misunderstanding.
*leaves*
I luv drama! Beat the shit out of each other if u disagree each other strongly!!
On topic about the How to talk to girls:
When your penis does the talking for the girls. You are the man!
Quote from: Jane_HTGPanel on April 05, 2008, 12:02:42 PM
JT-CHINOY. IT WAS PYRON THAT SUGGESTED YOU WERE DOING THAT. I WAS SHOWING THAT'S NOT THE CASE. RE: PITY PARTY.
I never did that actually. I made a generalized statement, you then said it was specifically about JT-Chinoy. So don't go blaming me on this one. I pointed out other people doing it, but not him.
oh, internet.
how'd a dash get in my name? ???
Oh, wow...