You ever watch a series and wonder why it's being so underrated? This happens to me often. I often see a fanbase for the series I watch in Japan, but never in the US. I always find myself asking "Am I the only one who watch this show?" Post some underrated series that you love, and we may discover something new.
Heres some of mine... I'll keep the summaries short.
Master Keaton - Man, this show gets no love... and it's hard to explain how much I love this show. The show is episodic, putting you through the eyes of an ex-SAS insurance agent that travels around the world. Each episode usually focuses on a short story with different characters and problems, following with Keaton solving these problems with his unorthodox ways. Each episode often focuses on different countries, portraying its people, culture and ethics pretty accurately. A very good watch.
Ookiku Furikabutte - This show has arguably become my new all-time favorite, and definately one of my top series for this season. The story is about a new highschool baseball team with only freshmen, and their struggle at trying to be the best. The style is a little different, focusing on the deep thoughts and psychological mind games that goes on inside the character's head, rather than it being a typical action sports series. Very character & story driven, and seriously addicting... and I don't even like baseball.
Victorian Romance Emma - No need to explain, watch if it you haven't lawl.
Moonlight Mile - I have yet to hear anyone watching this show. The story is about two friends and their struggles of being astronauts. You get to see the basic plot of astronaut training and it's politics. The style is pretty westernized, and it's like watching an American show. Carries a good mix of action and drama suspense with unique characters.
Kaleidostar - A series with a good mix of shounen-esque sports action, drama and comedy. I honestly don't know how popular this series is in the US, but I highly recommend it. The series focuses on Sora, a girl who dreams to become a top acrobatic star, and her long struggles to pursuit this dream. The plot sounds rather cliche, but the story is far more intriguing than it sounds.
Now post yours.
J
KS was really popular from what I could tell. One of the few box sets I actually own.
Quote from: "LastElixir"Master Keaton - Man, this show gets no love... and it's hard to explain how much I love this show. The show is episodic, putting you through the eyes of an ex-SAS insurance agent that travels around the world. Each episode usually focuses on a short story with different characters and problems, following with Keaton solving these problems with his unorthodox ways. Each episode often focuses on different countries, portraying its people, culture and ethics pretty accurately. A very good watch.
Victorian Romance Emma - No need to explain, watch if it you haven't lawl.
Consider both of these ketsuron'd.
Other shows I'd add are
Monster, which is based on a manga by the same guy as Master Keaton, and
Le Portrait de Petit Cossette, which is an acquired taste, but one I quite enjoyed. Oh, and the
Tales of Phantasia OVA, which has excellent animation and character designs (go go Kosuke Fujishima!), and a good story even if it changes a lot from the game.Oh yes, and a few more:
IRIA: Zeiram the Animation - a classic, and for good reason, but one that's often overlooked. I rep it a lot, but hear few things from other people. Then there's
éX-Driver, another under-repped Kosuke Fujishima show, totally typical of his stuff - good character designs, lots of attention to detail with the cars, etc.
You know, this post made me think for a bit.
I think every single one of the series I've watched, in my entire life, whether or not it was popular or on anime TV line-ups... each and every series has a fandom, big or small. I wasn't social enough to look for a local fandom, because I sort of gave up on people in America, seeking for similar interests. @__@;;
But then, if you think about it, I never really made an effort to find other people with the same interests, until now. I'm 16, now, right? It... is natural.
I can make a small list of what I feel is underappreciated, but as far as obscure goes, I don't think I'm 1337 enough to find any precious gem that other people don't already know about. It's probably just anime that I can't find enough websites/fansites, doujin, images, flashes, cosplayers, merchandise, etc of, compared to other series... or people in America (I speak English!) tell me they don't like it, or tend not to give it a chance.
Baldr Force
Kimi ga Nozomu Eien
Venus Versus Virus
Kumo no Mukou, Yakusoku no Basho
Gunbuster 1-2
Lovely Idol
Kannazuki no Miko
Le Portrait de Petit Cossette
Magical Pokan
Les Miserables
Amaenaide yo!!
Kashimashi
Jigoku Shoujo
Asatte no Houko
Canvas 1-2
Gakuen Alice
School Days
Hana Yori Dango
Keitai Shoujo
REC
I was going to name some series that I felt deserved to be underappreciated, but I didn't bother, in risk of offending anyone. >>;
Oh, and there are those sorts of anime where fandoms ruined, but are underappreciated for being good anime. I shall name some on Adult Swim, or some that have been dubbed that drove people away.
Inuyasha
Eureka Seven
Detective Conan
... I don't remember what else is on Adult Swim. x.x
Funny, there are some shows on your list that I think are overappreciated. Take Kashimashi - I'm a fan of shoujo-ai, but really, that series was weak. It had mediocre animation and music, arbitrary and unsatisfying plot twists, generic and flat-as-hell supporting characters (more like caricatures, really), and a complete cop-out of an ending. The fact that it has as many fans as it does astounds me every time.
Quote from: "mDuo13"Funny, there are some shows on your list that I think are overappreciated. Take Kashimashi - I'm a fan of shoujo-ai, but really, that series was weak. It had mediocre animation and music, arbitrary and unsatisfying plot twists, generic and flat-as-hell supporting characters (more like caricatures, really), and a complete cop-out of an ending. The fact that it has as many fans as it does astounds me every time.
To be honest, most yuri anime suck really bad.
Kashimashi, Venus Versus Virus, Simoun, Kannazuki no Miko, and etc... ALL the anime sucked, but they had good stories and characters. Normally, their manga counterparts are much better.
But yeah, every single anime listed in this entire
thread has a fandom, but they're not necessarily talked about, cosplayed, drawn, etc...
Quote from: "Jay"I often see a fanbase for the series I watch in Japan, but never in the US.
I named series that are generally underappreciated or seldom mentioned in American anime forums, fans, and the like. As for Japan, almost all of them have formidable fandoms of one size or another.
I mean, some fandoms I don't even understand. Sometimes I even belong to those fandoms.
Higurashi. I don't get it. It was a REALLY bad anime.
Haruhi-- I love this fandom, I love the jokes, I love the art, I love the ideas, but.... really, the anime, itself, wasn't all that great.
Other anime mentioned on this forum, like... Hidamari Sketch and Manabi Straight!. Those aren't appreciated as much as they should be, as well. Maybe a mention or two in an anime blog, but that's as far as that goes.
Ahh...
Sola.
~Chun
My main series that I have yet to find anyone else that watches....
Toward the Terra: Based on a 1980 movie, its about the struggles between humans and those called the mu (who are humans with psychic powers). And the relationship of a Mu boy and the human friends he left behind.
Touka Gettan: Carnelian art. OwO Its a supernatural series taking place in another realm. (like heaven? I dunno..) The series is playing in reverse and tells a story backwards where each episode tells events that caused the previous episode's events. (I'm still figuring this one out)
Others that I know a couple other people watch:
Lovely Idol
Gakuen Alice
Maybe its me but I don't count series as unappreciated unless there's very few people that watch it. If I know of other people, its harder for me to lump series as this... -.-;
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~Chun
It has quite a fanbase, don't you think?
Solty Rei
Phantom: The Animation
Blue Submarine no 6
Chance Pop Sesson
Chinese Ghost Story
Pet Shop of Horror
Sentimental Journey
All Cultural Cat Girl Nuku Nuku
Saber Marionette J
Witchblade
Seraphim Call
The Melody of Oblivion
Princess Tutu
Kurau: Phantom Memory
Twin Spica
Alien Nine
Video Girl Ai
Junkers Come Here
Comedy
Planetes
Memories
Godannar (this is Godly people)
Cat Returns
Stormy Night
Bokura Ga Ita
Hanbun no Tsuki ga Noboru Sora
Neo Ranga
Nazca
Princess Nine
Rescue Wings
Maria-sama Ga Miteru ( both season)
Tekkaman Blade
I guess this is enough for starters..
How was Sentimental Journey? I played Sentimental Graffitti, but when I looked up the series... is it about each girl, one episode each?
I hated Video Girl Ai so much. XD;
And MariMite has a really big fandom! But still, underappreciated. @__@
Quote from: "Jun-Watarase"How was Sentimental Journey? I played Sentimental Graffitti, but when I looked up the series... is it about each girl, one episode each?
I hated Video Girl Ai so much. XD;
And MariMite has a really big fandom! But still, underappreciated. @__@
Sentimental Journey is pretty decent, for me at least. Each episode goes over the life of a different girl. It's almost like Seraphim Call. I say you should check out both of them because they are about alike.
And I happened to cry when I watched Video Girl Ai when I was 14 thank you..>_>...
And more people still need to watch Maria-sama NOW..@_____@;;;
Wait... you HAVE Sentimental Graffiti?!?!.. !!!!! As in the REAL one? Not like a dl'ed one?
Quote from: "LordKefka"Wait... you HAVE Sentimental Graffiti?!?!.. !!!!! As in the REAL one? Not like a dl'ed one?
No. It's downloaded.
The thing is, with the Sega Dreamcast, you don't need to mod it to play downloaded games. It takes in image files on straight CD-R's.
I first found out about it around middle school, when my friend went to Japan and came back with loads of stuff. She gave me some packs of post cards and stuff that she didn't care or or know about, and gave them to me... one pack, being of Sentimental Graffiti. I have some of them still up on my wall. Well, that's how I discovered the game. XD;
But by the time I found out about the anime, there were barely any seeders, and I had crap downspeed.
EDIT: I forgot to mention. I couldn't find a PC version of the game, actually. It'd be cool if someone could upload it.
And MariMite... MORE LOVE!
Quote from: "Jun-Watarase"Quote from: "LordKefka"Wait... you HAVE Sentimental Graffiti?!?!.. !!!!! As in the REAL one? Not like a dl'ed one?
No. It's downloaded.
The thing is, with the Sega Dreamcast, you don't need to mod it to play downloaded games. It takes in image files on straight CD-R's.
I first found out about it around middle school, when my friend went to Japan and came back with loads of stuff. She gave me some packs of post cards and stuff that she didn't care or or know about, and gave them to me... one pack, being of Sentimental Graffiti. I have some of them still up on my wall. Well, that's how I discovered the game. XD;
But by the time I found out about the anime, there were barely any seeders, and I had crap downspeed.
EDIT: I forgot to mention. I couldn't find a PC version of the game, actually. It'd be cool if someone could upload it.
And MariMite... MORE LOVE!
Oh, cause the game is super hard to find and is a gem for many people (like me :P ).
have you tried hong or toshokon for any luck with the game? Not sure about tosho but hong should have it.
I'll say it every time this thread comes up...
Key the Metal Idol.
Hard as f^&* to get into and has good rewards at the end.
Quote from: "Ska_Kitti"I'll say it every time this thread comes up...
Key the Metal Idol.
Hard as f^&* to get into and has good rewards at the end.
I suppose it is underappreciated. I did watch part of it, but either lost interest or didn't have the time to finish it...
Last I saw anything of Key the Metal Idol was in middle school, during my first year of watching anime. One of the students brought in the first episode, and we were watching it, and there happened to be a lot of bare breasts and things in the episode, at least, more than it's accepted for a bunch of 6th-graders to be watching. The teacher came out and was like, "Turn it off," really serious, and the guy who brought it was like, "I didn't know! I didn't know!" It seemed like a series I might enjoy though.
Oh, I like Armitage III (the original OVA) too, but I don't know how appreciated it is. I haven't heard anything about it in some time, but it used to be fairly popular. Likewise with Irresponsible Captain Tylor. Both are pretty awesome series IMO.
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~Chun
It has quite a fanbase, don't you think?
Hmm... not that I've heard of, really. Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places?
Most pass it off as your standard atypical OVA production from the game associated with it. It's like W-Wish, Hourglass of Summer OVA, or Mizuiro 2003 all over again.
~Chun
I have two copies of SentiGura... Saturn ver and DC XD. Though DC ver. is SentiGura2. I might have SentiJourney for PSX somewhere, or if not James bought it and I can steal it from him if needed.
Sentimental Journey... was terrible. I'm a HUGE HUGE HUGE Sentigura fan, but the way they did the cartoon didn't make sense. They made it as if 1 guy, just toured Japan, and met up with all these girls for a weekend, then moved to the next one.
They shorted the stories too much as well. They were more to show their personalities than to show their actual story.
Key came out at a bad time. There were a few series that came out right before or right after that were just too similar, so that's why it wasn't really appreciated(not that it was very good).
I despise Video Girl Ai the OAV, but I loooooooooooooooooooooved the comic. Same story with I's, hated the OAV's and movie, the comic though is probably my favorite to date.
Jun: How can you even attempt to say MariMite is under appreciated XD That's like saying Saint Seiya is under appreciated.
Eh, underrated series...For me to think a series is underrated, means it not getting nearly the attention it deserves. Most shows get the attention they deserve. If I were to just list all the "unpopular" series' I've seen it would be a pretty damned long list.
Mushishi is probably the only really underrated show I've seen in a long time.
Mmmm... Zegapain was a really good show that most people didn't give a chance. It started off too stereotypical but it wasn't up until around ep 5-6 did it reallllllllly start to shine.
As much as I love Alice Gakuen, which I do more than you think, it wasn't really underrated.
This sparked a convo between me and my friend James. We can't really think of any anime that are really underrated, but man... our list of comics is huge, mostly due to people losing track of them because of all the crap that came out around the same time.
Quote from: "Chun"Quote from: "Jun-Watarase"Quote from: "Chun"Sola.
~Chun
It has quite a fanbase, don't you think?
Hmm... not that I've heard of, really. Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places?
Most pass it off as your standard atypical OVA production from the game associated with it. It's like W-Wish, Hourglass of Summer OVA, or Mizuiro 2003 all over again.
~Chun
To have three groups subbing it... I'd say it's pretty well appreciated states-side.
Uchuu no Stellvia/Stellvia of the Universe
Battle Athletes
Piano
ToHeart
Popotan
And I enjoy checking out childrens' series. Here are some good ones:
Futari wa Pretty Cure
Otogi Jushi Akazukin
Zoids Genesis
Animal Yokocho
Some of these have pretty big followings in Japan (especially Precure and Zoids Genesis), but are never watched by American fans, so that's why they're on the list.
I agree that Sentimental Journey could have been better.
I second some of the shows already mentioned (Key - The Metal Idol, Monster and Planetes especially) but I gotta put a mention in for Hajime no Ippo (aka Fighting Spirit).
I tell all my friends that I've never seen a show get so good so fast. It's funny, it's exciting, and it's such a breath of fresh air to have a protagonist who's so relentlessly positive. But since it's about boxing, it appears to have been criminally ignored.
You know, I guess we could take this as an opportunity to watch the listed anime.
I'm going to try and take a look at Hanbun no Tsuki ga Noboru Sora.
Quote from: "Tsubasa"Uchuu no Stellvia/Stellvia of the Universe
Battle Athletes
Piano
ToHeart
Popotan
And I enjoy checking out childrens' series. Here are some good ones:
Futari wa Pretty Cure
Otogi Jushi Akazukin
Zoids Genesis
Animal Yokocho
Some of these have pretty big followings in Japan (especially Precure and Zoids Genesis), but are never watched by American fans, so that's why they're on the list.
I agree that Sentimental Journey could have been better.
Tsubasa likes PreCure! We should do a cosplay. =D
You'll be Cure Black and get tons of love mail from girls!
And I'll be Cure White! *tapes on eyebrows*
It'll be fun! :3
Quote from: "Jun-Watarase"Tsubasa likes PreCure! We should do a cosplay. =D
You'll be Cure Black and get tons of love mail from girls!
And I'll be Cure White! *tapes on eyebrows*
It'll be fun! :3
orz
I'll pass. Although the love mail sounds tempting. As does the White cosplay. :3
Quote from: "Tsubasa"Quote from: "Jun-Watarase"Tsubasa likes PreCure! We should do a cosplay. =D
You'll be Cure Black and get tons of love mail from girls!
And I'll be Cure White! *tapes on eyebrows*
It'll be fun! :3
orz
I'll pass. Although the love mail sounds tempting. As does the White cosplay. :3
I'll second this notion of Tsubasa Crossplay...
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Mushishi is probably the only really underrated show I've seen in a long time.
That doesn't make sense to me in general...
That or you have no idea what underrated means... or you think people who already think Mushishi is an excellent Anime hasn't given Mushishi where credit is due.
You saying Sentimental Journey was horrible is an example of an Anime being underrated.. ie, rated lower than it should have according to the person making the initial claim of underratedness. So don't please confuse "not well known" with "underrated" when you attempt to point out anyone's list you think are of only "Anime not well known" with that general statement of yours. For all you know, that list could be just be the subjectivety of things underrated in his or her perspective.
Quote from: "LordKefka"Quote from: "PyronIkari"
Mushishi is probably the only really underrated show I've seen in a long time.
Now I know you have no clue what you are talking about.
Well, it's true: it
was underrated. I never really saw anyone talk about the show.
And
then the guys who actually watched the show went "well, you know what, watch this!" (http://anime.jefflawson.net/2006/12/27/year-in-review-mushishi/) and Mushishi suddenly was a Big Deal.
Quote from: "Spiritsnare"Quote from: "LordKefka"Quote from: "PyronIkari"
Mushishi is probably the only really underrated show I've seen in a long time.
Now I know you have no clue what you are talking about.
Well, it's true: it was underrated. I never really saw anyone talk about the show.
And then the guys who actually watched the show went "well, you know what, watch this!" (http://anime.jefflawson.net/2006/12/27/year-in-review-mushishi/) and Mushishi suddenly was a Big Deal.
Mushishi is not well known not underrated.
The term "underrated" is a horrible word I try and avoid in general but it means that something is under rated or rated/judged/critiqued below what you think it should be.
For example, I say something is underrated because I think people are saying it's worse than it should be according to my subjective outlook. Same goes with overrated where I think the show like Cowboy Bebop is thought to be better than it should be by a general public.
Think of "underrated" as a general way of saying " You underrate this show" but to some indirect audience who think you overrate it in reciprocal.
Things in relations with popularity has to do with "not well known" vs fad or hype of a show which can be an indirect result of bandwagoning.
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Now I know you have no clue what you are talking about...
That or you have no idea what underrated means... or you think people who already think Mushishi is an excellent Anime hasn't given Mushishi where credit is due.
You clearly don't understand what "underrated" means than on a grander scale. Mushishi was hardly recognized by the public at all, and ignored almost completely, therefore making it underrated. You see, I'm not completely full of myself, and see things on a grander scale. Public acceptance is the rating we are going by. Want an example? Pan's Labyrinth. A movie that got godly rating by reviewers, and by the public that saw it... but it was very under-rated, because the majority of the public didn't give a damn about the movie at all. It did not get the recognition it deserved(see... that's what makes it underrated, recognition).
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You saying Sentimental Journey was horrible is an example of an Anime being underrated.. ie, rated lower than it should have according to the person making the initial claim of underratedness. So don't please confuse "not well known" with "underrated" when you attempt to point out anyone's list you think are of only "Anime not well known" with that general statement of yours. For all you know, that list could be just be the subjectivety of things underrated in his or her perspective.
And it's not because it's "not well known" it's that it was over-looked. Mushishi wasn't some secret that people didn't know about, it was shown just like any other series, it was fansubbed just like any other series... it was merely over looked. No one cared about it... Hence underrated.
PS I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I do work in the game industry. I analyze and study marketing, I have to know what is underrated, overrated, and how to market.
Popularity displays how "well received" a piece is more than what people say about it, and numbers prove more than anything. A small number of people saying it's great, doesn't mean crap in the real world. Mushishi was horribly under-rated as was proven with numbers. DVD sales, far after the initial showing proves how under-rated the series was.
Where do you get these bullshit definitions from?
Realistically, a series that is horrible received but has a lot of popularity, in itself is over-rated due to its popularity. Want an example? Eva. It has as many people that despise it as they love it, but the popularity is there, therefore it is popular, and over-rated compared to its content.
If you want to attempt the marketing aspect and discuss what "overrated" and "underrated" really mean, feel free to, but based on what you said already, you don't have a damned clue.
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Now I know you have no clue what you are talking about...
That or you have no idea what underrated means... or you think people who already think Mushishi is an excellent Anime hasn't given Mushishi where credit is due.
You clearly don't understand what "underrated" means than on a grander scale. Mushishi was hardly recognized by the public at all, and ignored almost completely, therefore making it underrated. You see, I'm not completely full of myself, and see things on a grander scale. Public acceptance is the rating we are going by. Want an example? Pan's Labyrinth. A movie that got godly rating by reviewers, and by the public that saw it... but it was very under-rated, because the majority of the public didn't give a damn about the movie at all. It did not get the recognition it deserved(see... that's what makes it underrated, recognition).
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You saying Sentimental Journey was horrible is an example of an Anime being underrated.. ie, rated lower than it should have according to the person making the initial claim of underratedness. So don't please confuse "not well known" with "underrated" when you attempt to point out anyone's list you think are of only "Anime not well known" with that general statement of yours. For all you know, that list could be just be the subjectivety of things underrated in his or her perspective.
And it's not because it's "not well known" it's that it was over-looked. Mushishi wasn't some secret that people didn't know about, it was shown just like any other series, it was fansubbed just like any other series... it was merely over looked. No one cared about it... Hence underrated.
PS I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I do work in the game industry. I analyze and study marketing, I have to know what is underrated, overrated, and how to market.
Popularity displays how "well received" a piece is more than what people say about it, and numbers prove more than anything. A small number of people saying it's great, doesn't mean crap in the real world. Mushishi was horribly under-rated as was proven with numbers. DVD sales, far after the initial showing proves how under-rated the series was.
Where do you get these bullshit definitions from?
Realistically, a series that is horrible received but has a lot of popularity, in itself is over-rated due to its popularity. Want an example? Eva. It has as many people that despise it as they love it, but the popularity is there, therefore it is popular, and over-rated compared to its content.
If you want to attempt the marketing aspect and discuss what "overrated" and "underrated" really mean, feel free to, but based on what you said already, you don't have a damned clue.
Sorry but please find me some evidence of where you get your definition of underrated from. Until then, I don't care if you work for Ebert and Roper.
Here is a dictionary.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/underrated
In this case, we are talking about underappreciated. If something is not known by the person who is overrating, in contrast to your underating, then by default, it can't be unknown by the person/people who overrate. Thus underrating and overrating has to do with only the people who KNOW about it in order to make such claims. When you say something is underrated, you are directing what you say in response to the general people who over rates it.
Something can be both popular and unpopular and still can be overrated and underrated. We are talking about this topic in regards to under-APPRECIATED Anime and thinking "unknown" is pretty ignorant if you think that is a result of something being underrated.
Get your logic straight. You make some of the dumbest statements ever and you have no shame in any of what you say.
take it off the board if you guys want to have a debate.
That is all.
Yes, if you want to act like a kid and go into insults, do it over AIM and I'll be happy to instead of involving people who want to see what Anime they need to check out.
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Sorry but please find me some evidence of where you get your definition of underrated from. Until then, I don't care if you work for Ebert and Roper.
WELCOME TO MARKETING... what do you think businesses look at when they judge rate things? How much effort they put into after points. It's value, it's worth.
Mushishi's value is rather low despite it's quality. The fact that everyone who HAS seen it claims how good it is, is proof of it's quality, however it's value comparable to that is near nothing.
You sound like an idiot trying to speak based on literal basis of the word instead of the intended meaning.
QuoteHere is a dictionary Read it. Until then, shut your mouth.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/underrated
In this case, we are talking about underappreciated. If something is not known by the person who is overrating, in contrast to your underating, then by default, it can't be unknown by the person/people who overrate. Thus underrating and overrating has to do with only the people who KNOW about it in order to make such claims. When you say something is underrated, you are directing what you say in response to the general people who over rates it.
Oh, and there's proof, the fact that you quote a dictionary and claim schematics or word usage over intention and real world usage. Sorry, in the real world, "over-rated" doesn't only mean the people's opinion, the main point of it, is "popularity". Aren't you the one that is supposedly press, and writing articles about this stuff? There's no wonder I haven't met a person that reads your site that didn't laugh at the mentioning of it(This number is larger than you'd think as well).
Again I say, Pan's labyrinth. Despite what the reviews and opinions said, it wasn't near the marketing point of it's quality. Therefore it was a failure. Just because a handful of people think it's the greatest thing in the world, doesn't mean the public opinion thinks it's highly rated. Public opinion accounts for everything.
By your reasoning, there is no such thing as overrated. For every single fan that things x series is amazing, there is one that thinks it is utter crap. Therefore there is no such thing as overrated, underrated, because you believe that each opinion is the base point. I THINK, Gundam Seed destiny is a piece of horrid crap. Does that mean Gundam Seed Destiny is now underrated? If you balance it out, there's probably just as many people that despise the series as love it, therefore it is mediocre? We're measuring QUALITY... compared to GENERAL PUBLIC OPINION.
General public opinion on MUSHISHI is that they don't care about it, or have never heard of it. A small minority says that it's great, but that is greatly overshadowed by the mass general public. In marketing views, this series is not-popular, therefore very little worth. Comparatively, that worth to the actual quality, makes it extremely underrated.
QuoteSomething can be both popular and unpopular and still can be overrated and underrated. We are talking about this topic in regards to under-APPRECIATED Anime and thinking "unknown" is pretty ignorant if you think that is a result of something being underrated.
Get your logic straight and your mind too. You make some of the dumbest statements ever and you have no shame in any of what you say. It's sad.
It's sad because I work in real world logic, you're arguing schematics. I give a damn about what I'm saying more than "attempting to prove someone on the internet wrong". You look at the grand sceme of things. An unpopular band can be overrated, if they're THAT BAD, and their fans think otherwise. Net worth vs. actual public opinion. A very popular band can be underrated, if they're THAT GOOD... but chances are, that's not the case.
LOL are you going to quote more dictionary passages and state that I didn't use a word according to direct dictionary definition over real world usage and conversation point? The point is underrated series. It was a clear point what the person was looking for in this thread, and instead you thought you'd just list a bunch of stuff because you thought it would make you cool to be like "i watch all this underrated stuff, I'm so indie!"
Please...
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Sorry but please find me some evidence of where you get your definition of underrated from. Until then, I don't care if you work for Ebert and Roper.
WELCOME TO MARKETING... what do you think businesses look at when they judge rate things? How much effort they put into after points. It's value, it's worth.
Mushishi's value is rather low despite it's quality. The fact that everyone who HAS seen it claims how good it is, is proof of it's quality, however it's value comparable to that is near nothing.
You sound like an idiot trying to speak based on literal basis of the word instead of the intended meaning.
QuoteHere is a dictionary Read it. Until then, shut your mouth.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/underrated
In this case, we are talking about underappreciated. If something is not known by the person who is overrating, in contrast to your underating, then by default, it can't be unknown by the person/people who overrate. Thus underrating and overrating has to do with only the people who KNOW about it in order to make such claims. When you say something is underrated, you are directing what you say in response to the general people who over rates it.
Oh, and there's proof, the fact that you quote a dictionary and claim schematics or word usage over intention and real world usage. Sorry, in the real world, "over-rated" doesn't only mean the people's opinion, the main point of it, is "popularity". Aren't you the one that is supposedly press, and writing articles about this stuff? There's no wonder I haven't met a person that reads your site that didn't laugh at the mentioning of it(This number is larger than you'd think as well).
Again I say, Pan's labyrinth. Despite what the reviews and opinions said, it wasn't near the marketing point of it's quality. Therefore it was a failure. Just because a handful of people think it's the greatest thing in the world, doesn't mean the public opinion thinks it's highly rated. Public opinion accounts for everything.
By your reasoning, there is no such thing as overrated. For every single fan that things x series is amazing, there is one that thinks it is utter crap. Therefore there is no such thing as overrated, underrated, because you believe that each opinion is the base point. I THINK, Gundam Seed destiny is a piece of horrid crap. Does that mean Gundam Seed Destiny is now underrated? If you balance it out, there's probably just as many people that despise the series as love it, therefore it is mediocre? We're measuring QUALITY... compared to GENERAL PUBLIC OPINION.
General public opinion on MUSHISHI is that they don't care about it, or have never heard of it. A small minority says that it's great, but that is greatly overshadowed by the mass general public. In marketing views, this series is not-popular, therefore very little worth. Comparatively, that worth to the actual quality, makes it extremely underrated.
QuoteSomething can be both popular and unpopular and still can be overrated and underrated. We are talking about this topic in regards to under-APPRECIATED Anime and thinking "unknown" is pretty ignorant if you think that is a result of something being underrated.
Get your logic straight and your mind too. You make some of the dumbest statements ever and you have no shame in any of what you say. It's sad.
It's sad because I work in real world logic, you're arguing schematics. I give a damn about what I'm saying more than "attempting to prove someone on the internet wrong". You look at the grand sceme of things. An unpopular band can be overrated, if they're THAT BAD, and their fans think otherwise. Net worth vs. actual public opinion. A very popular band can be underrated, if they're THAT GOOD... but chances are, that's not the case.
LOL are you going to quote more dictionary passages and state that I didn't use a word according to direct dictionary definition over real world usage and conversation point? The point is underrated series. It was a clear point what the person was looking for in this thread, and instead you thought you'd just list a bunch of stuff because you thought it would make you cool to be like "i watch all this underrated stuff, I'm so indie!"
Please...
Publics opinions are worth jack when they say something ignorant as in calling something overrated or underrated if they haven't seen it themselves. It's problems like that that causes an Anime to lose or gain unneccesary values and idiots like you only egg it on and think it's the right thing to do.
In this topic, we are talking about Anime you think are underappreciated meaning not thought highly of because people say it sucks or whatever. It has nothing to do with popularity. Something more popular known can just be as overrrated or underrated as something known to a small group of people.
Overrated and underrated has to do with people actually involved in being the critics. No stupid ass general public is just going to just say so and so is underrated when they haven't seen it. It would make them ignorant to say so thus, invalidating what they say. Anything in relations to this is either a hype WHICH DOES HAVE TO DO WITH POPULARITY but it doesn't mean it has ANYTHING to do with what the people who seen it and what they say about it. There is influence from general public but the biggest influence can not make stupid assumptions unless they are the people who experience it. The biggest influence are from people who watch something and either make a big deal out of it and cause people to check it out. Then the people who check it out can say it's underrated and that that guy who claimed the show was so great really wasn't.
This is why underrated and overrated is such a stupid word to use. They are contradictions of one another from one person's point of view to the other person's. Only a stupid like you would try and factualize your opinion like this.
And in the cause of the site I work for, what the HELL are you talking about? What does that have to do with overrated and underrated and press? Are you trying to find some way to direct something you see wrong with the site I work for and me just because I work for it? Pathetic.
The shows I listed are both not too known and underappreciated at the same time.
Of course if you want me to list some shows well known and what I consider underappreciated I can do so as well.
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Excuse me? Tekkaman Blade isn't known and underrated? Saber Marionettes J? Nuku Nuku?
Were you around in the 90's? All of these got so much praise by fans it's rediculous.
Planetes is underrated? Really? I have NEVER, EVER EVER IN MY LIFE heard someone talk badly about Planetes.
Witchblade, despite being boring and virtually plotless, has been accepted extremely well by the US viewing public.
Alien Nine, is considered a cult classic that passed over the heads of everyone that watched it... so by your reasoning, is the same as Mushishi... not underrated at all.
Cat Returns was more popular than Whispers of the Heart, both in opinion and sales.
Maria Sama Ga-Miteru has a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge following. So how is that even remotely under-rated at all?
^^ See, this is called you being a hypocrite. You named a bunch of series, a few of which are extremely popular and well received, some fit in a similar category as Mushishi(but not nearly on the same level), and others just plain sucked. But somehow, I'm the one that doesn't know what I'm talking about because I named a series that gets absolutely no attention at all despite it being one of the best series of 2006?
Nice, very nice. I mention your site, because you so proudly proclaimed it last time as if you obviously know what you're talking about because you write for this basically unknown website.
Your little line about what "overrated" and "underrated" has to do with is bull by the way. Who are the critics? You? Are you saying your opinion matters more than mine on the quality of a series? 10 people voice their opinion, and they are a representation of quality? The fact that something doesn't become popular, when it is high in quality, means it is under-appreciated. The finest steak in the world... and only one person eats it, and says it's great. But no one else in the world eats it, or cares about it. Therefore that steak is not underappreciated? because that one guy appreciates it, despite it being the best in the world? if it was really appreciated for its worth, millions would be eating it, and millions would be enjoying it.
That is appreciation and that is worth and merit. The opinions of "critics" doesn't matter in the end, it's how the public receives something. If Ebert and Roper give it two thumbs up, and it bombs in the box office, guess what... it's still a failure. If the movie was amazingly good, and it bombed, it's underrated, because the public chose not to recognize the quality of the series.
But all of this is pointless, since you CONTRADICTED YOURSELF WITH YOUR OWN EXAMPLES ALREADY.
If you need for this to go further.
And as for the "unknown site" I work for, I like the people I work for and with rather than the fame I get working at some place like ANN where only cocky people exist with tension between people who work there.
Only one comment going to your steak example and it should get the point across. Just because you like it and no one knows about it, it doesn't make the steak underrated. It makes it not known to the public. Why is it not underrated you ask? Because if order for it to be underrated, there has to be someone you are directing to as an object itself can not be "born" underrated. How do you not get that concept? overrated and underrated at opposites of each other (ie. it's underrated to you BECAUSE that person thinks it sucks, and to that person, YOU overrate it because he think it sucks). Thus, if you are the only person who think the steak is underrated because you are the only person to eat it, then by default, there should be someone who thinks it's overrated because it's a subjective response (which there isn't). Therefore, you have just made a logical fallacy in your example. Feel free to humour me again. It goes the same with you pointing out Anime YOU think are overappreciated like Maria-sama to me who think it's underappreciate because I happen to like it a lot more than what I think people give credit for.
You have something more to say say it to the wind. You have proved nothing at all other than your ignorance naivety not to mention your direct insults of me and the place I work for (for God knows how many times already).
Enjoy the forums.
Ehe~ You know, I was really expecting something elitist to come out from all this, but instead, this happens. I can't say that I'm not very surprised.
Everyone reading you guys
debate right now is doing *kyon facepalm* as we speak. Augh, but I'm going to do this out of boredom, and to point something out.
Mmm... Ready? SUTAATOO~
Mikey:QuoteMushishi is probably the only really underrated show I've seen in a long time.
LordKefka:QuoteNow I know you have no clue what you are talking about...
Spirit :3 Snare:QuoteWell, it's true: it was underrated. I never really saw anyone talk about the show.
Mikey:QuoteYou clearly don't understand what "underrated" means than on a grander scale.
You see, I'm not completely full of myself, and see things on a grander scale. Public acceptance is the rating we are going by.
*Gives example*
Popularity displays how "well received" a piece is more than what people say about it, and numbers prove more than anything.
If you want to attempt the marketing aspect and discuss what "overrated" and "underrated" really mean, feel free to, but based on what you said already, you don't have a damned clue.
LordKefka:QuoteSorry but please find me some evidence of where you get your definition of underrated from. Until then, I don't care if you work for Ebert and Roper.
Here is a dictionary Read it. Until then, shut your mouth.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/underrated
Get your logic straight and your mind too. You make some of the dumbest statements ever and you have no shame in any of what you say. It's sad.
Ryuuuuuu:QuoteIf you guys don't stfu right now, I'mma beat yo asses. (Ryu is so badass.)
LordKefka:QuoteYes, if you want to act like a kid and go into insults, do it over AIM ....
Mikey:QuoteOh, and there's proof, the fact that you quote a dictionary and claim schematics or word usage over intention and real world usage. Sorry, in the real world, "over-rated" doesn't only mean the people's opinion, the main point of it, is "popularity". Aren't you the one that is supposedly press, and writing articles about this stuff? There's no wonder I haven't met a person that reads your site that didn't laugh at the mentioning of it.
By your reasoning, there is no such thing as overrated. For every single fan that things x series is amazing, there is one that thinks it is utter crap.
Quote from: "LordKefka"Get your logic straight and your mind too. You make some of the dumbest statements ever and you have no shame in any of what you say. It's sad.
It's sad because I work in real world logic, you're arguing schematics. I give a damn about what I'm saying more than "attempting to prove someone on the internet wrong".
The point is underrated series. It was a clear point what the person was looking for in this thread, and instead you thought you'd just list a bunch of stuff because you thought it would make you cool to be like "i watch all this underrated stuff, I'm so indie!"
Please...
LordKefka:QuoteThis is why underrated and overrated is such a stupid word to use. They are contradictions of one another from one person's point of view to the other person's. Only a stupid like you would try and factualize your opinion like this.
And in the cause of the site I work for, what the HELL are you talking about? What does that have to do with overrated and underrated and press? Are you trying to find some way to direct something you see wrong with the site I work for and me just because I work for it? Pathetic.
I don't know what school or where you learned marketing but I can say it's not less than a clown college (if I don't already assume you are some high school drop out)
Mikey:Quote*Points out contridictions*
^^ See, this is called you being a hypocrite. You named a bunch of series, a few of which are extremely popular and well received, some fit in a similar category as Mushishi(but not nearly on the same level), and others just plain sucked.
Your little line about what "overrated" and "underrated" has to do with is bull by the way. Who are the critics? You? Are you saying your opinion matters more than mine on the quality of a series? 10 people voice their opinion, and they are a representation of quality? The fact that something doesn't become popular, when it is high in quality, means it is under-appreciated.
That is appreciation and that is worth and merit. The opinions of "critics" doesn't matter in the end, it's how the public receives something. If Ebert and Roper give it two thumbs up, and it bombs in the box office, guess what... it's still a failure. If the movie was amazingly good, and it bombed, it's underrated, because the public chose not to recognize the quality of the series.
But all of this is pointless, since you CONTRADICTED YOURSELF WITH YOUR OWN EXAMPLES ALREADY.
LordKefka:QuoteYou are so clueless, it's funny. If you need for this to go further, take it outside as you sound like some crazy kid running around with no pants.
Feel free to humour me again. It goes the same with you pointing out Anime YOU think are overappreciated like Maria-sama to me who think it's underappreciate because I happen to like it a lot more than what I think people give credit for.
Anyways, I'm done doing the dumbest thing of all which was to actually waste my time to reason with a clueless like you. You have something more to say say it to the wind. You have proved nothing at all other than your ignorance naivety not to mention your direct insults of me and the place I work for (for God knows how many times already).
Huh... You know, doing this out of boredom, I'm telling you guys now, none of my doing here is biased, so I'm not taking sides for either, right now. But I can tell you, I highlighted, copied and pasted the insults AND points made (... Of course, only some. From reading it, you'll understand my reasoning.) and from it seems, points and insults are a bit... unblanaced on the scale, aren't they?
Really, you guys, it's not a big deal. I'm really doubting that one person isn't taking it as seriously than the other, and maybe that seems like a damn good idea.
-Gives both of them hugs.-
Okay. You're both right in your very own special way. :3 -Hands them candy.-
But points and jokes aside, MariMite DOES HAVE A HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE fandom, but it needs to be HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGER!
Yeah this was another dumb thing I've done which was wasting hours like that but oh well.
I went back and edited some of the insults in general as well due to them being very unprofessional so anyone who seen them.. yeah... whoops.
I hope this topic can continue normally now.
ps. I'll take your free hug Jun
lol
Quote from: "LastElixir"lol
Indeed.
oMg JuN in a bag!? Maji Kawaiin desukedo~ >.<
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Oh i did think of another underrated series. Kyou no Go no Ni.
Umm, I would need a solid definition of "under-appreciated". Meaning, never-been-popular? Licensed but not famous? Only you and three people in Kansas know about it?
Otherwise I could be spouting names that should never have touched this list to begin with.
Quote from: "LastElixir"You ever watch a series and wonder why it's being so underrated? This happens to me often. I often see a fanbase for the series I watch in Japan, but never in the US. I always find myself asking "Am I the only one who watch this show?" Post some underrated series that you love, and we may discover something new.
This probably falls into the "Me and three people in Kansas know about it" catagory, but something i started watching recently "Mujin Wakusei Survive" (Uninhabitable planet: Survive). Seen about 12 episodes (not all sequentially thou).
In the Future, a group of kids (and an obnoxious robot pet) end up stranded on a uncharted planet. Most of these kids have some serious issues in their lives, and end up confronting them thru-out the series. Also some very strong environmental messages in the show. Hope someone picks this up over here.
I'm going to name a series that I used to watch...
Street Fighter: The Animated Series
=)
and to a certain extent, "Vampire Hunter: The Animated Series" (even though I only saw the first episode).
Too bad this post is in "General Anime Chat" and not "Things in the Universe"... Otherwise, I would've said Perfect Strangers. XD
[Damn it's late/early.]
a lot of series mentioned here are very good series, too bad i dont have any new finds yet.
Mujin wakusei survive is a pretty good watch, and I have yet to hear anyone watch it till now, I watched up to like 27 and stopped, i should finish it.
Street Fighter 2 animated is street fighter V right? pretty off the wall for its time, and I like how they took like 30 minutes for ryu to shoot a freakin hadouken.
I also used to watch Virtual Fighter the animated series, it was hideously hilarious, and i still finished it. There was a crazy narrator and he explained every move every character made in depth while the moves were framed in slowmotion, supported by lots of plotholes and cheesy lines, oh man, good times.
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Quote from: "LastElixir"Mujin wakusei survive is a pretty good watch, and I have yet to hear anyone watch it till now, I watched up to like 27 and stopped, i should finish it.
One of my friends from Anime Remix really likes that show! I gave it a try but I couldn't make it past like ep 9. It had some potential, but there were too many characters who were like, seriously really annoying!
Sugar, A Little Snow Fairy. It's a series appropriate for all ages. I consider the series the Finding Nemo of anime. Whether you're 5 or 95, you're going to enjoy the series.
If we're talking underrated in the sense of "this series deserves more love than it's getting/more people need to watch it," I'd definitely agree with Mushishi, and I'd give a little pet prod to Damekko Doubutsu because despite the fact that it's a bunch of five-minute fluff, it's still really really cute and I don't think I know anybody else who's ever bothered watching it. *laugh*
Thought of another one.
Honey and Clover.
Seriously. In Japan it may be huge, but people really need to tune into this series more.
~Chun
Quote from: "Chun"Thought of another one.
Honey and Clover.
Seriously. In Japan it may be huge, but people really need to tune into this series more.
~Chun
I've seen quite a fandom in my area, like my high school and work place. I don't know exactly whether or not it's underappreciated outside of that, though.
Just been looking through the last 28 pages of topics and this struck me as something worth updating since then.
I'm going to sticky this for a week before I take the sticky down. Please feel free to post something/anything since you've seen since that you believe people should check out (not to mention the series that have been mentioned previously).
If there are any objects, I can take the sticky down and put this topic back where it belongs ( on the 8th page or something). Thank you.