Well, it's really a crude subject for what I'm asking, but I think it suffices. I mean, I don't mind it at all, and I would never say no to such an offer, but where did all the glomping come from. I remember somewhere like 3 years ago, there were some people that did the whole "Glomp me" cardboard thing on their chest, but they were far and few in between. But I've noticed recently that this has become a more desirable trend for people, so much so that counting has become a major part of conventionee's lives. I don't mean to complain, but it is very odd when I see two people give each other a hug, then they whisper to themselves whatever number they are on for glomps.
What I guess I mean to say is this: It's fine and dandy (yes, I did just say "fine and dandy") to glomp your favorite characters or friends that show up, but it is ridiculous when people become numbers, mere objects with which one can achieve a higher number.
So why has this trend grown? I don't mind if it does naturally, but I'm curious to know, why?
The short answer is "attention".
The whole sign thing grew more as people started to recognize that carrying a sign = instant attention. Doesn't really matter what the sign said or why you had it, it's a sign, the point is to make people look at it. You go one year, you see a guy with a sign that says "free hugs" or something of the sort, and you see a lot of people hugging him. Some people will go "so... if I make a sign that says that, I will get hugged too!" So the next person does it. Only multiply "the next person" by like 30 or so, and it's more realistic.
There's been a lot of issues concerning signs though. People asking for money, or prostituting themselves, things like that. It became a big issue at conventions across the nation. The example I always bring up is the kid at AX. Some teenager at AX had a sign that said "Ninjas killed my parents, please help" and put a cup next to him. That kid made about 60$ an hour minimum he was there, I asked and one hour he made nearly 150$.
Then there's the famous picture online of the four girls holding up signs that say "Sleep with us 5.00$". Publicity that basically states prostitution and other crap happens at cons... which totally looks bad for the convention. But the people got the attention they wanted.
Most conventions now ban or discourage signs strongly. I think all conventions now are banning and kind of solicitation within them(anything asking for money/goods for exchange).
With all the mysteries of glomping, signs, and other excessively trendy gestures in the convention world, the crave for attention is pretty much the best way to describe it. People have the need to prove themselves to be unique by doing things that would be considered... eccentric. Glomping got old, so with the desire to stand out from the crowd and represent what they love, in the most conspicuous way, signs were born.
QuoteDoesn't really matter what the sign said or why you had it, it's a sign, the point is to make people look at it. You go one year, you see a guy with a sign that says "free hugs" or something of the sort, and you see a lot of people hugging him. Some people will go "so... if I make a sign that says that, I will get hugged too!" So the next person does it. Only multiply "the next person" by like 30 or so, and it's more realistic.
They were created to attract more attention, and when others saw that it actually worked, they would copy it. Actually, ALL trends and ideas simply expand in the same fashion.
QuoteSome teenager at AX had a sign that said "Ninjas killed my parents, please help" and put a cup next to him. That kid made about 60$ an hour minimum he was there, I asked and one hour he made nearly 150$.
Aha... this kid is a HERO to some. But here is another idea that branched from the "glomp me!" sign trend, to more diverse ones where you can gain... more than just hugs.
Leading to this:
QuoteThen there's the famous picture online of the four girls holding up signs that say "Sleep with us 5.00$". Publicity that basically states prostitution and other crap happens at cons... which totally looks bad for the convention. But the people got the attention they wanted.
But as glomping and signs are becoming more troublesome at the rate that they are, once they ARE banned or even more discouraged... I wonder what would come in their place.
Well I admit there is a problem with people doing stuff for money, but I haven't seen many of those signs.
Glomps/hugs/kisses are the most common.
I don't think I've ever seen a sign for prostitution at FanimeCon, and by that I mean gropes/sex. I MIGHT have seen a few for like kisses or something, but that should fall under the panhandling of asking for money.
Really the problem with that stuff at AX I've heard is that too many people spend all their money at AX....and then they have no money for rides home. That doesn't seem to happen at FanimeCon though, so I think that's also one of the reasons you see less of those signs.
Quote from: PyronIkari on November 25, 2007, 03:29:53 AM
There's been a lot of issues concerning signs though. People asking for money, or prostituting themselves, things like that. It became a big issue at conventions across the nation. The example I always bring up is the kid at AX. Some teenager at AX had a sign that said "Ninjas killed my parents, please help" and put a cup next to him. That kid made about 60$ an hour minimum he was there, I asked and one hour he made nearly 150$.
That's awful.
However, the dollar-signs in my eyes are getting bigger and bigger with each passing second with that idea... (Just kidding)
Quote from: Ayanami Rei First Child on November 25, 2007, 04:16:32 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a sign for prostitution at FanimeCon, and by that I mean gropes/sex. I MIGHT have seen a few for like kisses or something, but that should fall under the panhandling of asking for money.
Actually, they quite common. They normally hang around late at night in the hallways... though, in most cases, the girls are probably the only ones who are doing this seriously. I've seen boys have similar signs too, but it's mostly for attention rather than sex.
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on November 25, 2007, 05:00:50 PM
Quote from: Ayanami Rei First Child on November 25, 2007, 04:16:32 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a sign for prostitution at FanimeCon, and by that I mean gropes/sex. I MIGHT have seen a few for like kisses or something, but that should fall under the panhandling of asking for money.
Actually, they quite common. They normally hang around late at night in the hallways... though, in most cases, the girls are probably the only ones who are doing this seriously. I've seen boys have similar signs too, but it's mostly for attention rather than sex.
That IS rather disturbing. I find that even MORE disturbing then those times that people get drunk and are stupid enough to step onto the dance floor. >.<
If I see those next year I'll go report them to rovers.
But... dancing is about being drunk and letting loose. Never been to a club before I assume?
As long as the drunks have the decency to not harass anyone then it's fine. I'd rather be near a drunk than a guy with a sign saying "please hug me" holding it up to my face.
Lets not forget what happened last year when they started pulling people out and shutting down the dance....
Quote from: FinalShadows on November 25, 2007, 08:35:00 PM
Lets not forget what happened last year when they started pulling people out and shutting down the dance....
actually i dont think that had anything to do with hugs/glomping issues...
lets just say alcohol and inappropriate behavior dont mix.
besides theres a difference because ppl trying to show affection like a legit hug between friends who actually know each other
and strangers trying to do something funny (ie glomps) but its not an anime and they end up hurting ppl and causing a scene...
again basic common sense and courtesy goes along way.
You know, A-Kon actually banned signs (unless they were specifically part of a costume, like if you were dressed up as panda Genma or something) starting in 2005. It was actually more to do with people with signs crowding a narrow skyway (if you saw it, you'd be worried about the fire department shutting the con down). Some people were worried that enforcing it would create all kinds of issues, but no, the con went very smoothly over all, and the lack of fanboy panhandlers and attention whores was a plus.
i'm a "free hugs" sign kind of person. i wear a small one around my town occasionally. I live in a town populated known as, "land of a thousand hippies", so it's more a spread the love kind of thing.
But glomp signs? Thats new to me; frankly glomps are more freindly and specifically for you and your freinds only. It just seems odd to me to have a strange person running up and jumping on me.
The one thing that kinda bothers me is that When i see the sign I kinda feel abit sad O_O!. Its kinda hard to explain i mean, What do you rather have..YOU demand a glomp? or a Fan really would like to give you a glomp? I mean, i know im kinda new to this "glomping thing" I just don't know which one counts to bea real glomp and one that is ....Kinda demanding....
never mind. I'll just go to the convention and make a survey and find out which is more better to have O)O, because i kinda feel abit sad when they want attention!
Here, if you see me at all during Fanime, you may glomp. That is all. XP
I was holding around a "Kiss me" sign. The reason why I did it was because people had hug me signs about, and I wanted to see how many people would actually do so. The cutest thing did happen to me though, when a little girl rejected the kiss me sign and gave me a hug instead. I didn't go, *Whisper Whisper* to my friends, because I wasn't keeping a tally.
It's not all about attention. Some people to do it because it's fun. Also, you don't get stared at like you're a freak like if you did it at school or something.
Quote from: localuvr on January 13, 2008, 01:39:04 PM
It's not all about attention. Some people to do it because it's fun. Also, you don't get stared at like you're a freak like if you did it at school or something.
And the question is... "Why is it fun?". And the answer to this is... "The attention".
no, not always. for me and my friends, it's the joy of physical contact, and knowing that it's normal and okay, and not labeled freaky
What part of "Physical contact withsomeone" not "attention"?
the hug!
So, basically, if you're an attention-wh... um... I mean... if you love getting lots of attention, then a sign might be a good way to get noticed and glomped/tackled/molested/stared-at/stalked?
<note to self> "Do not carry a sign or a poster that points at or is about self."
Well I think its appropriate...I don't mind seeing people holding "hug me or Glomp me" Signs. Its all in the spirit of The convention. I am sure they do not hold those signs in public...if they did its pretty Creepy :'(
and who cares if they are attention whores Dx Its all good! Its not like you have to do over and stare at them for hours sheesh.
thank you for pointing that out! See people? it's not all bad!
If these things were "in the spirit of the convention", then why is it that con management discourages them in the first place (and in the case of some cons, outright banned)?
Quote from: Death_Note_Matt on January 14, 2008, 05:20:37 PM
Well I think its appropriate...I don't mind seeing people holding "hug me or Glomp me" Signs. Its all in the spirit of The convention. I am sure they do not hold those signs in public...if they did its pretty Creepy :'(
and who cares if they are attention whores Dx Its all good! Its not like you have to do over and stare at them for hours sheesh.
Why is it creepy in public... but not a con?
Because a con is filled with social misfits and normally outcasted people? Here's a hint though...
Maybe they wouldn't be outcasted if they didn't do retarded things like... whore for attention by holding signs, and try attempting to fit into society.
Who cares if they're attention whore? It's their perogative to be attention whores, but when it starts affecting me, then I care. When they harass me to hug them... then I care. If they do not leave me alone, or interrupt me when I'm conversing with my friends, when they harass my girlfriend and won't leave her alone...
... then I care.
It's not "all just fun and games" because it affects other people. It's not in the spirit of the convention, it's a minority group, that most people do not like, but "put up with" because they don't want to deal with it. Only it's grown to the point where conventions HAVE to deal with it, because it's causing so many problems. The sign idea evolved from accomplishing something, to people whoring themselves out, and just using it to seek attention, of any kind. A way for desperate lonely losers to get attention from other desperate lonely losers with what they see as no repremand because conventions don't care enough to stop them. And instead of handling themselves with any sorta decent respect, they allowed it to escalate into bad attention, because the people that hold the signs don't care either way what kind of attention they receive, as long as it's attention.
And they drag others into it, and think "well they have the right to say no, so I'm not doing anything bad".
The issue I hear the most, about hugs and glomping is that "well you should just ask" and the people can refuse. Frankly, I think it's rude even to ask someone. It's pretty rude to just randomly go up to someone and ask "Can I hug you" or "Can I glomp you". If a guy just walked up to you on the street and said "I like your outfit, can I hug you" you'd be freaked out and think it was creepy, run and probably call the cops on the guy...
So what makes it okay to do that at a convention? It's even worse when they open up their arms and walk towards you with this "I want to wrap my arms around you and squeeze!" look with this raspy tone "Can I hug you?". It's even worse when I'm not even in a costume.
It's nice to show appreciation for someone elses work for their costume, one that you may like, but it's still rude to do certain things. Most people won't mind, they'll humor you, or they like the attention, but really... it shouldn't be done, it's disrespectful to do that to someone you don't know.
It's social outcasts thinking that they have an outlet to act however they want... and honestly it's conventions that made the mistake of letting them, because "eh they're not hurting anyone and they're keeping to themselves". It just escalated more and more and the outcasts now use "con-spirit" as a defense because cons didn't stop them before.
Quote from: PyronIkari on January 15, 2008, 02:19:50 AM
Why is it creepy in public... but not a con?
Because a con is filled with social misfits and normally outcasted people? Here's a hint though...
Maybe they wouldn't be outcasted if they didn't do retarded things like... whore for attention by holding signs, and try attempting to fit into society.
Who cares if they're attention whore? It's their perogative to be attention whores, but when it starts affecting me, then I care. When they harass me to hug them... then I care. If they do not leave me alone, or interrupt me when I'm conversing with my friends, when they harass my girlfriend and won't leave her alone...
... then I care.
It's not "all just fun and games" because it affects other people. It's not in the spirit of the convention, it's a minority group, that most people do not like, but "put up with" because they don't want to deal with it. Only it's grown to the point where conventions HAVE to deal with it, because it's causing so many problems. The sign idea evolved from accomplishing something, to people whoring themselves out, and just using it to seek attention, of any kind. A way for desperate lonely losers to get attention from other desperate lonely losers with what they see as no repremand because conventions don't care enough to stop them. And instead of handling themselves with any sorta decent respect, they allowed it to escalate into bad attention, because the people that hold the signs don't care either way what kind of attention they receive, as long as it's attention.
And they drag others into it, and think "well they have the right to say no, so I'm not doing anything bad".
The issue I hear the most, about hugs and glomping is that "well you should just ask" and the people can refuse. Frankly, I think it's rude even to ask someone. It's pretty rude to just randomly go up to someone and ask "Can I hug you" or "Can I glomp you". If a guy just walked up to you on the street and said "I like your outfit, can I hug you" you'd be freaked out and think it was creepy, run and probably call the cops on the guy...
So what makes it okay to do that at a convention? It's even worse when they open up their arms and walk towards you with this "I want to wrap my arms around you and squeeze!" look with this raspy tone "Can I hug you?". It's even worse when I'm not even in a costume.
It's nice to show appreciation for someone elses work for their costume, one that you may like, but it's still rude to do certain things. Most people won't mind, they'll humor you, or they like the attention, but really... it shouldn't be done, it's disrespectful to do that to someone you don't know.
It's social outcasts thinking that they have an outlet to act however they want... and honestly it's conventions that made the mistake of letting them, because "eh they're not hurting anyone and they're keeping to themselves". It just escalated more and more and the outcasts now use "con-spirit" as a defense because cons didn't stop them before.
I believe that you've hit on the spirit of my reply earlier.
What I was thinking of (or perhaps worried about) in particular was what happens to the poor folks who have sign-age as part of their costume. A sign that is NOT requesting that passersby hug/touch/grope/tackle/whatever the person holding it. And yet, regardless of what is actually printed, they are touched by people they do not know.
I recall seeing this happen at least once last year - with the victim clearly unhappy - and asked my friend about it and why the perpetrators thought it was OK. What I got out of the reply was that con attendees (in costume or not) hold or wear signs at their own risk.
Gah?
???
Anyways People have their different Standards.
Some like being hugged & Glomped and some some don't.
I personally don't really care if someone is holding a sign saying "hug me or Glomp me", as long as its at a Convention ....Its all good.
Quote from: PyronIkari on January 15, 2008, 02:19:50 AM
Quote from: Death_Note_Matt on January 14, 2008, 05:20:37 PM
Well I think its appropriate...I don't mind seeing people holding "hug me or Glomp me" Signs. Its all in the spirit of The convention. I am sure they do not hold those signs in public...if they did its pretty Creepy :'(
and who cares if they are attention whores Dx Its all good! Its not like you have to do over and stare at them for hours sheesh.
Why is it creepy in public... but not a con?
Because a con is filled with social misfits and normally outcasted people? Here's a hint though...
Maybe they wouldn't be outcasted if they didn't do retarded things like... whore for attention by holding signs, and try attempting to fit into society.
Who cares if they're attention whore? It's their perogative to be attention whores, but when it starts affecting me, then I care. When they harass me to hug them... then I care. If they do not leave me alone, or interrupt me when I'm conversing with my friends, when they harass my girlfriend and won't leave her alone...
... then I care.
It's not "all just fun and games" because it affects other people. It's not in the spirit of the convention, it's a minority group, that most people do not like, but "put up with" because they don't want to deal with it. Only it's grown to the point where conventions HAVE to deal with it, because it's causing so many problems. The sign idea evolved from accomplishing something, to people whoring themselves out, and just using it to seek attention, of any kind. A way for desperate lonely losers to get attention from other desperate lonely losers with what they see as no repremand because conventions don't care enough to stop them. And instead of handling themselves with any sorta decent respect, they allowed it to escalate into bad attention, because the people that hold the signs don't care either way what kind of attention they receive, as long as it's attention.
And they drag others into it, and think "well they have the right to say no, so I'm not doing anything bad".
The issue I hear the most, about hugs and glomping is that "well you should just ask" and the people can refuse. Frankly, I think it's rude even to ask someone. It's pretty rude to just randomly go up to someone and ask "Can I hug you" or "Can I glomp you". If a guy just walked up to you on the street and said "I like your outfit, can I hug you" you'd be freaked out and think it was creepy, run and probably call the cops on the guy...
So what makes it okay to do that at a convention? It's even worse when they open up their arms and walk towards you with this "I want to wrap my arms around you and squeeze!" look with this raspy tone "Can I hug you?". It's even worse when I'm not even in a costume.
It's nice to show appreciation for someone elses work for their costume, one that you may like, but it's still rude to do certain things. Most people won't mind, they'll humor you, or they like the attention, but really... it shouldn't be done, it's disrespectful to do that to someone you don't know.
It's social outcasts thinking that they have an outlet to act however they want... and honestly it's conventions that made the mistake of letting them, because "eh they're not hurting anyone and they're keeping to themselves". It just escalated more and more and the outcasts now use "con-spirit" as a defense because cons didn't stop them before.
GOD SHUT UP!!! We all get you hate glompers!
Get over it!
What are you 5?
If you don't like it
Then stay your ass home...Its a
CON! Things like this happened...
Deal with it and move the fuck on...and quit dwelling on the past.
But guessing your a nerd....its normal your all dramatic.
It if was a Playboy playmate glomping you I bet you wouldn't be complaining!
Quote from: Aosugiru on January 16, 2008, 03:02:07 AM
Quote from: PyronIkari on January 15, 2008, 02:19:50 AM
Quote from: Death_Note_Matt on January 14, 2008, 05:20:37 PM
Well I think its appropriate...I don't mind seeing people holding "hug me or Glomp me" Signs. Its all in the spirit of The convention. I am sure they do not hold those signs in public...if they did its pretty Creepy :'(
and who cares if they are attention whores Dx Its all good! Its not like you have to do over and stare at them for hours sheesh.
Why is it creepy in public... but not a con?
Because a con is filled with social misfits and normally outcasted people? Here's a hint though...
Maybe they wouldn't be outcasted if they didn't do retarded things like... whore for attention by holding signs, and try attempting to fit into society.
Who cares if they're attention whore? It's their perogative to be attention whores, but when it starts affecting me, then I care. When they harass me to hug them... then I care. If they do not leave me alone, or interrupt me when I'm conversing with my friends, when they harass my girlfriend and won't leave her alone...
... then I care.
It's not "all just fun and games" because it affects other people. It's not in the spirit of the convention, it's a minority group, that most people do not like, but "put up with" because they don't want to deal with it. Only it's grown to the point where conventions HAVE to deal with it, because it's causing so many problems. The sign idea evolved from accomplishing something, to people whoring themselves out, and just using it to seek attention, of any kind. A way for desperate lonely losers to get attention from other desperate lonely losers with what they see as no repremand because conventions don't care enough to stop them. And instead of handling themselves with any sorta decent respect, they allowed it to escalate into bad attention, because the people that hold the signs don't care either way what kind of attention they receive, as long as it's attention.
And they drag others into it, and think "well they have the right to say no, so I'm not doing anything bad".
The issue I hear the most, about hugs and glomping is that "well you should just ask" and the people can refuse. Frankly, I think it's rude even to ask someone. It's pretty rude to just randomly go up to someone and ask "Can I hug you" or "Can I glomp you". If a guy just walked up to you on the street and said "I like your outfit, can I hug you" you'd be freaked out and think it was creepy, run and probably call the cops on the guy...
So what makes it okay to do that at a convention? It's even worse when they open up their arms and walk towards you with this "I want to wrap my arms around you and squeeze!" look with this raspy tone "Can I hug you?". It's even worse when I'm not even in a costume.
It's nice to show appreciation for someone elses work for their costume, one that you may like, but it's still rude to do certain things. Most people won't mind, they'll humor you, or they like the attention, but really... it shouldn't be done, it's disrespectful to do that to someone you don't know.
It's social outcasts thinking that they have an outlet to act however they want... and honestly it's conventions that made the mistake of letting them, because "eh they're not hurting anyone and they're keeping to themselves". It just escalated more and more and the outcasts now use "con-spirit" as a defense because cons didn't stop them before.
GOD SHUT UP!!!
We all get you hate glompers!
Get over it!
What are you 5?
If you don't like it
Then stay your ass home...Its a CON! Things like this happened...
Deal with it and move the fuck on...and quit dwelling on the past.
But guessing your a nerd....its normal your all dramatic.
It if was a Playboy playmate glomping you I bet you wouldn't be complaining!
What are
you? 4? A thread is open to the public for discussion. You can't even handle opinionated posts without cursing and throwing
lame insults to level your own insecurity. If YOU don't like it, I suggest you stay off the internet before you become even more offended by people who are actually idiots.
You don't seem to get the point that, glomping itself isn't the problem. It's the uncivilized people violating other people's space when they're most likely complete strangers to each other. It's when people glomping inconsiderately and potentially hurting someone, having them drop their food, or even simply having them feel uncomfortable.
Why should anyone feel the need to stay at home and not attend a social event, only because a few attention-whoring nerds want to abandon common etiquette and violate someone's personal space? Unlike you, some people prefer not to be touched by strangers, let alone being tackled and hugged for absolutely no reason.
Quote from: Aosugiru on January 16, 2008, 03:02:07 AM
GOD SHUT UP!!!
We all get you hate glompers!
Get over it!
What are you 5?
If you don't like it
Then stay your ass home...Its a CON! Things like this happened...
Deal with it and move the fuck on...and quit dwelling on the past.
But guessing your a nerd....its normal your all dramatic.
It if was a Playboy playmate glomping you I bet you wouldn't be complaining!
It is a con, but things like this shouldn't happen, just because it's a con, which is why a lot of conventions discourage the action and the activity of signs.
If it was a Playboy playmate glomping I would still have the same stance(PS I've been hugged by a playboy playmate before). If a playboy playmate hugged me I'd be annoyed all the same though, so your horrible assumption was off.
The excuse of "It's a con" doesn't rectify bad social choices and action. As I stated, the reason why it seems "not out of place" at conventions is because conventions and staff decided to overlook it before because they didn't think it would erupt into what it is now.
Is it against the rules directly and the such? No it's not, because they would have to ban all physical contact then, but they discourage the act because it causes problems and conflicts, and doesn't respect people's private space.
The way I look at it, if you wouldn't do it outside of a convention, why are you doing it inside of a convention?
A lot of people wouldn't do it outside of a con because they have nothing in common with the victim. At a con, they at least have the common ground of being at a con, and they have that to fall back on.
The way I saw the con last year, the majority of people were doing it, and therefore it was considered 'okay' by the majority as long as it was contained. Also, it could be an in-character for a few of the cos-plays.
I suppose a good reason why you would do it more in con then out, is because it is considered acceptable in con, some people actually enjoy it (Being glomped and giving out glomps), and a few people use the convention to let loose.
Like hell the majority was doing it. We didn't even have this problem (and yes, I consider the whole signs and glomping thing a problem) until a few years ago at most, probably about the time we moved over to the SJ Convention Center. So no, it's not part of the con experience, and the only reason why it might seem to be is because the powers that be at Fanime haven't moved to ban it like other cons have (though they should).
Oh, God it's a flamer... Jeezus. I [guess] you could call them "Attention Whores" but that's both stupid AND immature. So, YEAH, they want attention... And Yeah they randomly glomp people. But calling names is not cool. How ever, I do understand the concept of people going to far by [randomly] glomping people. It's never happened to me, so I can't really speak, but it is an [ANIME CON] and if you cosplay, people [WILL] go crazy if they see a Yachiru or Ichigo. And I do understand that not everyone is into that kind of stuff. And as fas as the "OMG it's SOOOO not appropirate to hold up those signs"... Kiss my ass. As long as they aren't attacking you or bothering you STFU, man. Go suck on you moms tit or something. This forum went to good to whiney babies complaining about little things fast. And like Aosugiru said "GET OVER IT!".
Peace and Love, homies.
Quote from: L3sli3_Lov3s_Chu on January 16, 2008, 11:23:20 AM
Oh, God it's a flamer... Jeezus. I [guess] you could call them "Attention Whores" but that's both stupid AND immature. So, YEAH, they want attention... And Yeah they randomly glomp people. But calling names is not cool. How ever, I do understand the concept of people going to far by [randomly] glomping people. It's never happened to me, so I can't really speak, but it is an [ANIME CON] and if you cosplay, people [WILL] go crazy if they see a Yachiru or Ichigo. And I do understand that not everyone is into that kind of stuff. And as fas as the "OMG it's SOOOO not appropirate to hold up those signs"... Kiss my ass. As long as they aren't attacking you or bothering you STFU, man. Go suck on you moms tit or something. This forum went to good to whiney babies complaining about little things fast. And like Aosugiru said "GET OVER IT!".
Peace and Love, homies.
Why in god's name does ANIME have to be automatically associated with IDIOTIC behavior? All the reasoning of how glomping
itself isn't bad, rather than the people
making it a problem... are. And it goes to show you that a good chunk of the people defending it aren't very bright either, as you and Aosugiru cannot prove a point without spouting jargon other than "It's an anime con! We can be as idiotic and inconsiderate as we want because that's what we do! lololol kiss my derriere! $%#%@^%&$&@$!"
I'm sure Yachiru ad Ichigo cosplayers would totally appreciate some stranger, screaming and glomping them and putting the condition of their costume and props at risk. BUT THEY LIKE IT! THEY'RE AT AN ANIMU CON! YEAH! ... No.
QuoteIt's never happened to me, so I can't really speak...
Then don't.
Quote from: Stormfalcon on January 16, 2008, 06:27:35 AM
Like hell the majority was doing it. We didn't even have this problem (and yes, I consider the whole signs and glomping thing a problem) until a few years ago at most, probably about the time we moved over to the SJ Convention Center. So no, it's not part of the con experience, and the only reason why it might seem to be is because the powers that be at Fanime haven't moved to ban it like other cons have (though they should).
Sorry then. I was too distracted by other events to see it as a problem. The only problem that I heard about was on maybe Sunday or Monday and a few 'glompers' were having a glompfest and were blocking the walkway and risking the safety of other people. I think it's okay, and people should be able to do so, as long as they have control. Which some (Or most) people lack causing it to be a concern.
Quote from: L3sli3_Lov3s_Chu on January 16, 2008, 11:23:20 AM
Oh, God it's a flamer... Jeezus. I [guess] you could call them "Attention Whores" but that's both stupid AND immature. So, YEAH, they want attention... And Yeah they randomly glomp people. But calling names is not cool. How ever, I do understand the concept of people going to far by [randomly] glomping people. It's never happened to me, so I can't really speak, but it is an [ANIME CON] and if you cosplay, people [WILL] go crazy if they see a Yachiru or Ichigo. And I do understand that not everyone is into that kind of stuff. And as fas as the "OMG it's SOOOO not appropirate to hold up those signs"... Kiss my ass. As long as they aren't attacking you or bothering you STFU, man. Go suck on you moms tit or something. This forum went to good to whiney babies complaining about little things fast. And like Aosugiru said "GET OVER IT!".
Peace and Love, homies.
You apparently don't know what a flamer is as the only two that have flamed at all are you, and Aosiguru.
It's not stupid and immature to call them attention whores, because essentially that is what they are. It's a comment to state that they are seeking attention in a bad manner. Uh, did you miss the parts where I explain multiple times that these people DO attack and bother me/other people?
So I should just accept that harassment, and idiotic behavior is perfectly okay, just because "it's at a con"?
It's not the majority of people that act like this. It is quite the minority, it just seems otherwise because this minority makes a huge spectacle of themselves, scream, and yell, and make sure they're noticed.
QuoteA lot of people wouldn't do it outside of a con because they have nothing in common with the victim. At a con, they at least have the common ground of being at a con, and they have that to fall back on.
The way I saw the con last year, the majority of people were doing it, and therefore it was considered 'okay' by the majority as long as it was contained. Also, it could be an in-character for a few of the cos-plays.
I suppose a good reason why you would do it more in con then out, is because it is considered acceptable in con, some people actually enjoy it (Being glomped and giving out glomps), and a few people use the convention to let loose.
That's not legitimate grounding, nor standing to do so? This will be very general but for the most case true...
A large amount of anime fans are considered outcasts by normal standards and do not fit in to the general public. They display outlandish personality traits, are usually very anti-social, and do not know how to adapt to sociatal standards of actions(as many people support in this thread with their comments about how they don't look weird if they act this way at conventions). So instead of trying to change this and coming to some level of decency, they blame the rest of the world as being wrong and they let it out at conventions, where "they can be themselves and no one looks at them weird. And instead of accepting when told "Hey... you shouldn't really do this when you're at a con, it's not very good to do" they fight back because we're attacking what they see as their holy ground to act like retarded unsocial uncivilized brats.
It's also usually reflected in the ones that carry signs that say "HUG ME" or "FREE GLOMPS" in the such. These aren't the popular kids at school, that go to parties on the weekends, and are invited out to the movies or to hang out. Or the kids that are popular with the other sex, going out on dates, or making out by the docks.
Just a little message.
It's not the rest of the world's fault, you ever seem to think that, it's your fault for not even attempting to fit normal society, just a little?
You're right. It's not legitimate. But gaging the reactions and replies by some of the people answering to this thread, they seem to be using it as a standing. (as you said). I do think though that fanime may start getting a bit harder on sign bearers, because some of what people write upon them could be considered 'prostitution' (in a pg-16/13ish level.)
Quote from: PyronIkariIt's also usually reflected in the ones that carry signs that say "HUG ME" or "FREE GLOMPS" in the such. These aren't the popular kids at school, that go to parties on the weekends, and are invited out to the movies or to hang out. Or the kids that are popular with the other sex, going out on dates, or making out by the docks.
I could see this as true, and I could also see this as, "Look at my costume/attire and see how much time I spent on it." type of thing as well. I am aware that there is Stage Zero, but that gets a limited audience. Though what you said rings true to some of the people that were wearing the "Hug me" / "Free Glomps" sign. If you ask some them about their personal-ish life and where they are going (at least the ones I asked and got to know) they tend to say things along the lines of what you said.
Quote from: PyronIkariIt's not the rest of the world's fault, you ever seem to think that, it's your fault for not even attempting to fit normal society, just a little?
Perhaps they attempted to fit into a normal society and got rejected anyways? (Yes they could try again, and fitting into normal society isn't that hard, seeing how vast 'normal' is.) Or they are immature and/or are used to dishing out the blame/fault to others.
I thought proponents of hugs and glomps are supposed to be spreading happiness and love! ;D
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Aosugiru, L3sli3_Lov3s_Chu: warned!
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Maybe I should close this, but I'm reckless and preoccupied.
Heh. Yeah, agreed with Tony.
I mean, I get where Pyron and the others are coming from. At its worse, Glomping isn't any better than rape (sort of...). It's a surprise (in a bad way), people could seriously get hurt, their costumes could get ruined, or, I dunno, they can be emotionally scarred or something. The thing is, people ALL have different standards and thresholds for physical contact. I think a lot more "glompers" should be more considerate of others when they go on their glomping sprees...
...Though, now that you mention it, I've never really heard of glomping sprees. When I read in the OP that people apparently glomp other people at cons just to up their "glomp count," I felt rather mortified. Maybe I don't go to enough cons... I was always under the impression that people only glomped cosplayers/their favorite characters out of appreciation for the character/cosplay. I mean, it WOULD be like hugging your favorite character in real life, and who wouldn't like that? :D COnversely, on the cosplayer's side, if the hugger/glomper asked nicely and told them that they're dressed as their favorite character, then they've created sort of a bond with a fellow fan. All in all, it can be a really loving and appreciative gesture.
But glomping/hugging just... to glomp/hug seems rather strange to me. I'm leaning with Pyron when he says that it's a distasteful way of getting attention. Glomps/hugs could totally be used as a "currency" of affection or admiration (and at cons, I guess it pretty much is...Kinda like, "I'm repaying you cosplaying my favorite character with a hug"), but if you're wearing a sign just to get people to notice you, it's kinda... Meh. It's kinda like... emotionless hugging, which is kinda weird; rather, it defeats the purpose of the gesture in the first place. You'd just be doing it for the physical contact and the attention, not for the warm and fuzzy emotion behind it.
Quote from: Tony on January 16, 2008, 09:48:53 PM
I thought proponents of hugs and glomps are supposed to be spreading happiness and love! ;D
I AGREE TOO ^_^
Quote from: ph1shf00d on January 16, 2008, 10:12:44 PM
Heh. Yeah, agreed with Tony.
I mean, I get where Pyron and the others are coming from. At its worse, Glomping isn't any better than rape (sort of...). It's a surprise (in a bad way), people could seriously get hurt, their costumes could get ruined, or, I dunno, they can be emotionally scarred or something. The thing is, people ALL have different standards and thresholds for physical contact. I think a lot more "glompers" should be more considerate of others when they go on their glomping sprees... [...] It's kinda like... emotionless hugging, which is kinda weird; rather, it defeats the purpose of the gesture in the first place. You'd just be doing it for the physical contact and the attention, not for the warm and fuzzy emotion behind it.
Agreed. I'd also like to point out, again; glomping itself isn't too bad. It's the people participating in idiotic behavior by inconsiderately attacking strangers with tackle-hugs while potentially hurting them. At the same time, glomping within people you know personally, and am sure that they're okay with it, then it's a sign of affection-- like running up and hugging someone you missed and haven't seen for a long time, for example.
No one's aiming to get glomping banned, but recklessly glomping strangers should be highly discouraged for the above reasons.
Quote from: Tony on January 16, 2008, 09:48:53 PM
I thought proponents of hugs and glomps are supposed to be spreading happiness and love! ;D
You know just as well as I do that this is hardly the intent and purpose of why these things exist.
I think this thread should be closed now...it's pretty much established that people hungry for "hugs and glomps" are in the minority, but shouldn't be excused for their irresponsible behavior just because "It's a con".
It's that kind of mentality and behavior that gives anime fans a bad name (along with the sex-obsessed Yaoi and hentai fans [not saying all of them are...just the extremes], guys who think that shonen anime are real and other undesirables).
Anyways, please lock this up.
Quote from: PyronIkari on January 17, 2008, 01:32:18 AM
You know just as well as I do that this is hardly the intent and purpose of why these things exist.
Oh totally, hence the statement. Ironic in action and in intent.
And I'll go with FanFicGuru on this one. Case closed!