I just heard it on the news a few minutes ago.
A Siberian (I think) Tiger somehow got out of its cage, killed one man in his twenties and injured a few others. When police arrived they shot the Tiger while it was mualing a victim. And of course the Tiger died. This happend around 5:00 PM. The thing that I find so ridiculous is that the how the Tiger could've got out.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/12/25/BA0LU4M2T.DTL&tsp=1
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same tiger named Tatiana that mauled a zoo-keeper a year ago.. and yet the tiger was kept alive after that incident. Now a year later, it escapes, and kills one guy and injures two others before the police blow it away. (with just their handguns)
Most places were closed today due to Christmas. I would think only my workplace (movie theaters) and a few restaurants would be open, but everything else would be closed so that people could spend time with their families. So why was the zoo open today?
I'm NEVER going to the Zoo again. Repeat, NEVER! Good God, what a horrible way to go.
They gotta replace steel bars, like electrical boxes =P
I'm a horrible person in the fact that I can't stop but giggle at this.
Wednesday morning at work:
-"Hey what you do for christmas?"
-"Get attacked by a tiger."
silence in the room
I love zoos...I think thats the plural for it. I haven't been to many but they are still flippin awesome. I think of it as being able to go to a furry con with out people thinking you are a pervert or weirdo...not saying that people who go to furry con are, but just hear it a lot :P. I actually know some pretty awesome furries.
It is sad that some got injured and one died.
Now for a comic relief. What to do in a tiger attack?
-make sure you are in a crowed, and trip the fat kid first. Not only is he not faster than you, but also the tiger will spend more time devouring his delisious meat.
-make sharp turns while you run away. Tigers are fast and physics say that fast objects have a hard time making sharp turns. Tiger runs you turn, tiger tries to turn and falls over and rolls a little...oh shit is even more pissed off now.
-if all fails jump into a deep water area...just as long as it doesn't have sharks, crocodiles, killer wales or something that can also eat you. That or let go of some animals so they can get eaten.
My thoughts, maybe the tiger didn't like Christmas and decided to attack those jolly families. Or the tiger was like "wtf man? Its Fing Christmas. Go home and stay with your family, don't come bother mine." Or a person who doesn't like Christmas or got very bad Christmas present got mad and decided to let a tiger go out and kill people for his pure enjoyment. his/her thoughts "ha take that you filthy person, lets see if you push me down on black friday ever again."
End of DLZ's comic relief.
I think somebody wasn't doing their job right, like they didn't lock the cage right. Mabye thats how it got out ???
Oh I forgot another thing. Stop duck and roll doesn't only work on fires but also if a giant kitty is pouncing on you...just roll the right way or else the kitty might think you are a ball of yarn :P.
Johnny that is the most reasonable way to look at it, and its probably right.
good lord does anyone find this funny =/
here i am in peru and i hear about this, not only does it make me feel scared to go to that zoo in san fran but im worried because i have friends arround that age that go there
=/ sad my condolences go to the family members and the people who got mauled
Quote from: JohnnyAR on December 26, 2007, 09:48:59 AM
I think somebody wasn't doing their job right, like they didn't lock the cage right. Mabye thats how it got out ???
It was a grotto. Not only that, but it was surrounded by a 15ft. wide moat, and a 20ft. tall wall around it.
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on December 26, 2007, 01:01:13 PM
Quote from: JohnnyAR on December 26, 2007, 09:48:59 AM
I think somebody wasn't doing their job right, like they didn't lock the cage right. Mabye thats how it got out ???
It was a grotto. Not only that, but it was surrounded by a 15ft. wide moat, and a 20ft. tall wall around it.
Well, not to allude to tigers jumping 20ft up from water, but in regards to the moat at least, tigers actually are strong and frequent swimmers so that wouldn't have been much of an obstacle.
I've been hearing about this yesterday and today. I haven't gone to that zoo since I was in 12 years old. I heard that zoo is closed right now.
Quote from: Fructose on December 26, 2007, 01:13:15 PM
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on December 26, 2007, 01:01:13 PM
Quote from: JohnnyAR on December 26, 2007, 09:48:59 AM
I think somebody wasn't doing their job right, like they didn't lock the cage right. Mabye thats how it got out ???
It was a grotto. Not only that, but it was surrounded by a 15ft. wide moat, and a 20ft. tall wall around it.
Well, not to allude to tigers jumping 20ft up from water, but in regards to the moat at least, tigers actually are strong and frequent swimmers so that wouldn't have been much of an obstacle.
Ah, yeah. I was just pointing out that it wasn't a cage.
I think the moat's there for recreation, though.
I heard about this at my grandma's house on christmas day just after eating dinner. -.-;
My initial explanation: Someone was a dumbass and thought: "Oh, that poor creature trapped in a cage. Lets let it out."
DLZ- that water thing would only work if the cat doesn't like water. Most types don't but there are those that do. And heavens forbid you actually get one that rebels against the rest of its type and likes to play in water. -.-;
But if its deep, it'd be probably too much trouble to chase you... what with all this other meat running around... -.-;
After hearing Jun's explanation of what this so called cage was... -.-; How could they assume that the tigers will stay in... -.-;
there is no water in the moat, its 20 feet deep, and yes there is a cage they go in at night.
I can see it now... One tiger said to the other: "I hear they're getting ready to put you down for your stunt last year."
And the tiger said back: "F' this. I'm going out in style"
Though seriously, this is a sad event. For both the families and the tiger. (Is a fan of cats) Maybe I'm messed up but I felt more sad that they killed the tiger than that someone got killed... -.-; Its what cats do: kill. It isn't entirely the cats fault it got out.
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on December 26, 2007, 04:09:08 PM
Quote from: Fructose on December 26, 2007, 01:13:15 PM
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on December 26, 2007, 01:01:13 PM
Quote from: JohnnyAR on December 26, 2007, 09:48:59 AM
I think somebody wasn't doing their job right, like they didn't lock the cage right. Mabye thats how it got out ???
It was a grotto. Not only that, but it was surrounded by a 15ft. wide moat, and a 20ft. tall wall around it.
Well, not to allude to tigers jumping 20ft up from water, but in regards to the moat at least, tigers actually are strong and frequent swimmers so that wouldn't have been much of an obstacle.
Ah, yeah. I was just pointing out that it wasn't a cage.
either way it got out
Quote from: Sunara Ishi on December 26, 2007, 04:30:56 PM
I heard about this at my grandma's house on christmas day just after eating dinner. -.-;
My initial explanation: Someone was a dumbass and thought: "Oh, that poor creature trapped in a cage. Lets let it out."
DLZ- that water thing would only work if the cat doesn't like water. Most types don't but there are those that do. And heavens forbid you actually get one that rebels against the rest of its type and likes to play in water. -.-;
But if its deep, it'd be probably too much trouble to chase you... what with all this other meat running around... -.-;
After hearing Jun's explanation of what this so called cage was... -.-; How could they assume that the tigers will stay in... -.-;
Yup, it probably just wandered out, it's not like it new that leaving was bad, they're animals (samething for us, we're all animals and I mean it) they don't understand. We're just more evolved than the rest.
I'm hear more random things on the news.
Animal activists and now PETA is getting involved.
I could understand the educational/entertainment of train/domesticated animals... but yah im honestly hoping it was just a freak accident.
I mean it sorta relates to people owning "vicious" animals like pitbulls and stuff...
although a full size tiger can do lots more damage, thats one large kitty I'd run away screaming like a girl if was chasing me.
I just wish the greiving families my condolences, and hope that doesnt happen to anyone else.
I haven't been to a zoo in a while, but I'd still go. :)
maybe a petting zoo, where the animals aren't hungry for people. :P
I have a big cat......
Now they think the guy that got killed hopped the viewing fence and dangled his leg over the wall to taunt the tiger.
There's a bright idea if I ever heard one. :|
I can't wait for parents to put the blame on video games like Zoo Tycoon 2.
I still want to own a big cat.
~here kitty-kitty~
You can come home and stay by my side and eat all the people who are mean to me. =^w^=
Of course, I'd prefer a jaguar... We'd be best friends: take swims in the local pool together, hunt, and wander the neighborhood. =^w^=
And if I get killed by my own pet... then I was just a dumb ass that wasn't prepared enough.
FWIW. The 17 year kid that was killed by the tiger went to the school I teach at.... He was not one of my students but I belive a few of mine knew him...
I just think it's damn impressive that the tiger managed to jump out of a pen that had already been re-enforced after its escapade last year. I have a lot of respect for wild animals, and apparently something was keeping this cat upset enough that it seriously mattered how much the zookeepers underestimated her.
Feel bad for the victims, though. That had to be painful. And for everyone else there, scary as heck.
Quote from: DemonLordZabuza on December 26, 2007, 08:51:05 AM
maybe the tiger didn't like Christmas
it was jewish.
so does that make killing the tiger a hate crime? o.O
ya the kids already had a criminal record it wouldn't surprise me if they really did hop the fence its only like 3.5 feet tall. but the zoo did refortify it since it was built in the 40s. but they r taking drastic step now to refortify it.
nerf tigers, imo.
Quote from: deonchan on December 27, 2007, 04:37:12 PM
FWIW. The 15 year kid that was killed by the tiger went to the school I teach at.... He was not one of my students but I belive a few of mine knew him...
I heard he was 17 on the news
Anyone teaching Self-defense techniques against attacking Tigers?
Quote from: JohnnyAR on December 28, 2007, 08:53:14 PM
Quote from: deonchan on December 27, 2007, 04:37:12 PM
FWIW. The 15 year kid that was killed by the tiger went to the school I teach at.... He was not one of my students but I belive a few of mine knew him...
I heard he was 17 on the news
Typo fixed. thanks.
Quote from: deonchan on December 27, 2007, 04:37:12 PM
FWIW. The 17 year kid that was killed by the tiger went to the school I teach at.... He was not one of my students but I belive a few of mine knew him...
That's got to be hard. Is your school out for the holidays now? How is everyone handling it?
I still feel bad for the victims, it's a terrible thing that happened. The San Francisco Zoo had the responsibility of keeping it's visitors safe and somehow they failed. I hope something like this never happens again.
Yeah we're on break for now. Practice starts again on the 10th of the year (I'm a percussion instructor for the band) We have a forum that the band kids can chat it up on and ever since it happened, it's been real quiet.
SF Zoo is up for a huuuuuuuuuuuuuge lawsuit IMO
the san fran zoo wont have a law suit the kid hopped the fence and taunted the tiger.
Actually, it's looking like the kid that got killed died trying to protect the other two guys. Whether one of the other two guys taunted the tiger is still up in the air. Even if the taunting was a given, it's also turning out that the zoo didn't have its act together early on in the incident and that slowed down the response by emergency personnel. That alone, if it's indeed the case, would be the basis of a lawsuit. Toss in the fact that the walls were nearly four feet shorter than what was recommended, and it'll be fun time in court for the zoo.
Does anyone have any info on the two other guys that were attacked?
my mom looked at me all funny when i started laughing im moving next month to s.f and i was talking about going to the S.F zoo
till now
Quote from: deonchan on December 27, 2007, 04:37:12 PM
FWIW. The 17 year kid that was killed by the tiger went to the school I teach at.... He was not one of my students but I belive a few of mine knew him...
Oh my, really? I also go to Independence. It's terrifying how anyone I know could've been involved in this.
Anyway, on topic, I was shocked when I first heard of this attack. My condolences to the victims, their families, and Tatiana. I'm saddened the tiger had to go. I don't think she's entirely the one at fault, not that anyone was really pointing any fingers.
*Shrug* I'll still go to the Zoo. I will just have to remember not to be around idiots who jump fences and taunt animals like that. Especially Tigers. Nimble, Agile, Strong, Deadly, Tigers...
omg if anything the idiot deserved to be mauled IF he was dumb enough to taunt the tiger as for the other poor people ehh well thats sad
It's been said before in other places (this is me giving credit) but it bears repeating now...
You'd think the zoo would know better and install some sort of deterrent, like for example, a dangerous animal that would attack anyone who climbed into the pen...
DLZ's defense plan:
-Lions get out, release the tigers
-Tigers get out release the bears
-Bears get out...shit bears...release the elephants...yea because then you can send out the rats and its all good.
That...is...awesome...
Then the hounds...release the hounds...
ya but then we got rats and they can be annoying. i just say if anything gets released let out the elephants then the rats, cuts out all the in between. but i will still go to the zoo and if anythings get out play dead X|. I'm sure they wont bite too hard.XD
x: still since PETA got involved and such i feel bad for the tiger getting shot sure im sad about the people mauled/dead and well impressed that the tiger got out
but still its a tigers natural instinct to pounce on prey that is old or injured (i heard he was faking it) you cant blame the tiger for the natural instincts
I still visit the zoo I mean in peru the Park of Legends has you UPCLOSE to the animals, hell my face was close to lions, water bufflows and stuff yet nothing happened
I just heard a few days ago that the polar bear almost got out, not in a way that it was actually trying to get out, it just almost wandered out. Also, some other animal almost got out or something like that.
I want to wrestle a bear
So this morning I found out that those bastards kids were taunting the tiger. Not only that but were intoxicated. Now I'm actually glad that they got hurt...all three should have died. Because of their stupid behavior they killed a tiger. I hate idiots like that in the world.
Quote from: DemonLordZabuza on January 18, 2008, 09:24:36 AM
So this morning I found out that those bastards kids were taunting the tiger. Not only that but were intoxicated. Now I'm actually glad that they got hurt...all three should have died. Because of their stupid behavior they killed a tiger. I hate idiots like that in the world.
Even though they were being idiots and taunting the tiger, does it really justify saying that all three of them should've died? They already got what they had supposedly deserved, and there were enough deaths and injuries as it was. And them being intoxicated explains some things, as it would've been
truly idiotic if they had done these things sober.
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on January 18, 2008, 01:30:53 PM
Quote from: DemonLordZabuza on January 18, 2008, 09:24:36 AM
So this morning I found out that those bastards kids were taunting the tiger. Not only that but were intoxicated. Now I'm actually glad that they got hurt...all three should have died. Because of their stupid behavior they killed a tiger. I hate idiots like that in the world.
Even though they were being idiots and taunting the tiger, does it really justify saying that all three of them should've died? They already got what they had supposedly deserved, and there were enough deaths and injuries as it was. And them being intoxicated explains some things, as it would've been truly idiotic if they had done these things sober.
I would rather have the tiger live rather than dirt bags like those guys.
Quote from: DemonLordZabuza on January 18, 2008, 01:41:11 PM
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on January 18, 2008, 01:30:53 PM
Quote from: DemonLordZabuza on January 18, 2008, 09:24:36 AM
So this morning I found out that those bastards kids were taunting the tiger. Not only that but were intoxicated. Now I'm actually glad that they got hurt...all three should have died. Because of their stupid behavior they killed a tiger. I hate idiots like that in the world.
Even though they were being idiots and taunting the tiger, does it really justify saying that all three of them should've died? They already got what they had supposedly deserved, and there were enough deaths and injuries as it was. And them being intoxicated explains some things, as it would've been truly idiotic if they had done these things sober.
I would rather have the tiger live rather than dirt bags like those guys.
Most people have the mentality that the animals are considered innocent in situations like these, but look at it this way. The idiotic men knew what they were doing wrong, and got injured and killed. The tiger was aware that attacking them would've been wrong, too, but it chose to anyway. It got killed, too. Not only that, but it was the tiger's second offense-- and even if the tiger wouldn't have been able to keep track of that, the zoo keepers and officials need to maintain a safe environment for patrons and had no other choice but to kill it. I think the results are just dandy the way they are, and more deaths in this case, probably wouldn't do anything useful. At least those men are alive to know what a stupid mistake they had made, which IMO, is worse to live with, than die peacefully without.
Oh no no no... We don't consider the animal innocent or guilty... It was just doing what it'd naturally do. In a way its guilty but more in an involuntary manslaughter kind of way.
I'm sorry but that cat shouldn't have had to die because of some idiots. I also question why no one bothered to notice that these guys were behaving oddly and call security. Or why no one tried to stop them when the tried to get into the cage.
Just because that was the simplest and possibly best way to contain the threat doesn't mean that the cat should've died. I see nothing wrong with having an opinion that the cat should've stayed alive and that the guys got what they deserved. (I apologize to the member of these boards that know them but that's my opinion.)
What did happen was unfortunate. But I side with the cat.
Quote from: Sunara Ishi on January 18, 2008, 05:26:27 PM
Oh no no no... We don't consider the animal innocent or guilty... It was just doing what it'd naturally do. In a way its guilty but more in an involuntary manslaughter kind of way.
I'm sorry but that cat shouldn't have had to die because of some idiots. I also question why no one bothered to notice that these guys were behaving oddly and call security. Or why no one tried to stop them when the tried to get into the cage.
Just because that was the simplest and possibly best way to contain the threat doesn't mean that the cat should've died. I see nothing wrong with having an opinion that the cat should've stayed alive and that the guys got what they deserved. (I apologize to the member of these boards that know them but that's my opinion.)
What did happen was unfortunate. But I side with the cat.
Oh, I don't agree that the cat SHOULD have died, but there was really no other way. She wasn't killed on the expense of the idiots that were injured, rather, to protect the rest of the zoo and the people within it. What I don't agree with is that the other two should have died when they didn't. Enough damage was done, as is.
they defiantly didn't deserve to get injured, but I hope those two idiots do see some jail time or some sort of penalty for harassing the tiger.
On a side note I heard that those two were apparently high on weed, and also had been drinking (an open liquor container was found in their car). At least the attack kept them off the road.
From the information i've read from the newspapers
the person who died was missing from christmas eve dinner
and the two brothers who survived had previous police records
I would assume that bad influence had some part in this, them getting drunk, ending up in a zoo, made a tiger angry in the process, the tiger leaped past the moat-thingy.
Naturally, anyone, even animals that gets disturbed (most especially if they are hungry) will definitely try to get back at those that annoyed it. Its the same experienced i had when I was a kid, I pulled a horse's tail, and he kicked me, lost two front baby teeth (i know really smooth move >.< watched too many 'my little pony' ) and a sprained ankle.
Not the fault of the animal.
However my morality teacher always told us, if there are only two choices, and both risk something, always choose the lesser danger.
Better to have the tiger run after the police and get shot and kept the people from danger, rather then have the tiger diverted, got annoyed more and try to catch it with a net or say, tranquilizer. You'd probably be chasing it within the next hour or so, and with more other visitors who are not aware of the situation may likely be threatened or more fatal injuries arise.
those are my thoughts on my mind.
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on January 18, 2008, 01:30:53 PM
Quote from: DemonLordZabuza on January 18, 2008, 09:24:36 AM
So this morning I found out that those bastards kids were taunting the tiger. Not only that but were intoxicated. Now I'm actually glad that they got hurt...all three should have died. Because of their stupid behavior they killed a tiger. I hate idiots like that in the world.
Even though they were being idiots and taunting the tiger, does it really justify saying that all three of them should've died? They already got what they had supposedly deserved, and there were enough deaths and injuries as it was. And them being intoxicated explains some things, as it would've been truly idiotic if they had done these things sober.
True, true