I'll probably get VERY emo in this thread somewhere ,but stick with me? There's a moral to this ... I think.
For me, I was... I guess, sad. Kids bullied me. I bought into it. I cried. New day. I was always feeling sorry for myself and pussying up to the "bullies". It was like that for all the up until late middle school, early high school. I just one day realized "It's pointless to go on this way.. And kind of pathetic." So like, one day I was sitting in class and some people were talking shit about me. I could've turned around and stated a scene but I didn't, I just ignored them and carried on with my day (I think I forgot waht happened as the day went on, I have the memory of a goldfish so... Hehe.).
So, I was sitting on my bed (probably drawing) and I thought "Why are people so mean to me? I'm just a quiet kid who sits in the back of the class whose quiet. What am I doing wrong?". What I didn't realize is that the very thing that I was doing was wrong: blaming myself.
People can be some fucked up bastard. It's almost like they're out to get you sometimes. But in some instances it not the people who need to change, maybe it's *you*. I sat, thought, I cried, I realized. "What the fuck are you being a pathetic, cry baby for? Just because someone say shit about you that doesn't mean it's true."
Sadly enough, it took me a very long time to understand this, but I do now and I'm glad.
I'm glad I stopped blaming everyone else. I'm glad I stopped crying. I'm glad I grew up.
This ain't for you to feel sorry for me, or for you to show me pitty, more or less, for folks to think befor feeling sorry for themselves. I did it for too long and I missed out on good stuff cause I was being a sorry little kid.
What am I like now? Changed. I emo less. I cry less. I think about why I do things more. I realize that people will always find way to be jackasses, idiots and morons and that sometimes it's best to just ignore them, 'cause if you know anything you know that argueing with an idiot is pointless. And most of all! I'm stronger and wiser. n_n
-Leslie!
(You... You got the moral right? RIGHT?! Aw shit... I guess there might not've been a moral to begin with.)
Such is life.
I'm sure everyone on this forums has feelings on the subject of bullying and going through high school, whether or not them being in a direct situation or being involved themselves. It's a very common occurrence, and definitely not an uncommon feeling. To cry, to think, to rationalize, and to grow stronger is all a part of growing up. Not as if there's no bullying outside of high school, but at least then, you have some sort of means of experience and knowledge to work on.
How you evaluate your own case depends on you. Sometimes it's one-sided, sometimes it's the fault of both the bully and the bullied. If they were bullying you supposedly "without reason" and just did so to make themselves feel superior, I don't think I even need to go into how stupid and immature that is. In another light, while you shouldn't feel like you should change for others, if there's an inherent flaw that gets you into trouble that ultimately YOU are not comfortable with, change it and improve as a person. Don't neglect something about yourself that bothers you and causes you stress, be active and do something about it. Just "being yourself" is a god awful poor excuse-- while I promote individuality, there are always reasons to improve.
Another thing is to gain confidence. If you have this, then your bullies would at least have some respect for you if you carry yourself properly, and so will everyone else that'll take notice around you. It'd also make such instances hurt less, or at least, make your stronger and more apathetic towards them.
Again, this is just how life is. I think you just described like 90% of the typical teenage population.
... Get a livejournal... blog... whatever, I don't see the point in why this thread was made outside of self verification as if you're expecting people to cheer you on and say good job, or whatever.
But just to address some points. Why do people pick on you? Because you make yourself out to be a target to be picked on. Why do people pick on others...
That's their form of self verification.
Frankly... it's not best to "ignore them". Sometimes it is, but in general it's not a smart thing to do according to situation. So if you're throwing that out as advice, you're probably gonna get some poor kid into a worse situation. Then you act like a hypocrite and call everyone that bullied you an "idiot". Because obviously, anyone that is arguing with you and causing you trouble is "automatically an idiot", right? You obviously know better than them and they are just stupid for doing what they're doing.
First off, understand the basis of why they're doing it. Until you know/understand that, you really are no better than they are if you just pass it off as "them being idiots", even if what they're doing isn't right.
So once more... what was the point of this? From what I gathered, you basically stated "Don't whine, other people are stupid and you should ignore them." If this is what constitutes being stronger and wiser... then... god damn...
Er, yeah. Pyron pretty much gave a less sugarcoated version of what I wanted to have you understand.
There are always reasons for people to pick on a person, but you yourself have to realize if that trait of yours needs improvement or if they're just bullying you for the sake of bullying. It's a pretty tough subject, but I understand a teen's urge to rant about emo crap at your stage in life. From your perspective, you might think they're wrong, whereas in their point of view, they might think you're wrong. You might be-- so don't throw that possibility away, but it's also up to you to develop a tougher skin to be able to think rationally enough to see whether or not you're being made fun of for what reason. From that, you know what to improve on. I said in my last post not to ignore this.
I'm not trying to kick you around like a sad puppy, nor am I giving you a pat on the back. These thoughts aren't uncommon for teenagers, but it really couldn't hurt to try and understand why it is earlier on. From what I've seen from you on these forums, I have many reasons to want to dislike you and some incentive to even feel malicious towards the type of person you are. If I were a bully, I'd bully you, because you have traits I might not like. You get defensive and start stooping down to a lower level by acting immature when people disagree with you, instead of trying to understand other people's reasons as to why they disagree with you-- in many cases, that wouldn't make you any better than the "bully" and perhaps even lower than them. My opinion will say that you're wrong in what you say most of the time, but it's not my responsibility to break it down and explain why I think you're wrong. It's up to you to figure out if something about you isn't good or generally disliked and whether or not you should fix it.
Taking the high road and trying to improve yourself to prevent bullying would probably be a wise choice. Be strong, but not stubborn-- rationalization is key.
-Crack her knuckles- Been a while since I've actually had to explain myself... Should be fun? (not)
First off, understand the basis of why they're doing it. Until you know/understand that, you really are no better than they are if you just pass it off as "them being idiots", even if what they're doing isn't right.
Well, I understand why people bully others. It's usually a form of lack of self confidence or self esteem. In that light, [the people I'm reffering to] people are idiots... Because, no matter had badly you feel about yourself running around putting down people is out of the question and should in no way be looked over. Numerous time through out my life I've felt unconfident, but I had the balls enough to think things through and solve my problems. Why can't others?
So once more... what was the point of this? From what I gathered, you basically stated "Don't whine, other people are stupid and you should ignore them." If this is what constitutes being stronger and wiser... then... god damn...
People seem to argue alot here and there on these forums. I see it alot (maybe it's where I'm going?), so I decided to post one of the many life experiences I've had sort of out of randomness (it was 4:40 am..) and to see what folks think. Some think its just emo crap from chick going through puberty others find the semi-valid moral in it. If that's bad then... Geez.
... Get a livejournal... blog... whatever, I don't see the point in why this thread was made outside of self verification as if you're expecting people to cheer you on and say good job, or whatever.
NEGATIVE. I *have* a live journal but it's just a bootleg ass Myspace. And as far as Myspace goes... It's growing old. So! My question to you is "Why waste your time?". If this thread seems pointless to you, why post here? Does it make you feel like "Almighty Pyron" to post your knowledge and wisdom on threads of on relevance? Just asking.
But just to address some points. Why do people pick on you? Because you make yourself out to be a target to be picked on. Why do people pick on others...
Why do/did people pick on me? I was always laughing. Which made them think I was always happy (I think I laughed alot as a front to hide how I really felt. I mean... I could laugh my ass off at absolutly nothing. YES, really.). So yes, in a sense... I did make myself a target. But at the same time, they were sad excuses for life (<--- critcal, mean,and untrue, but I don't want to delete it. Mature, huh?). Where I live, in Oakland, there is lots of violence, crime, and negativity. And where my school was located was like a crack spot. The children at my school probably went through alot outside of their homes. But do I give an anorexic fuck? Hell no. If you mother doesn't love you, or your friend got killed, don't take that shit out on me. (This is where I get mad and turn into something close to a mean, immoral, bitch.) I don't give a fuck. If you want my attention or affection: SPEAK TO ME. Don't call me ugly or say I'm hella black (I have a mirror, people.). Back to the notion of my being a target. I was, but if you see a can on the ground are you under an obligation to step on it. Nope. Why do people pick on others? Insecure with themselves and need some way to feel big.
Taking the high road and trying to improve yourself to prevent bullying would probably be a wise choice. Be strong, but not stubborn-- rationalization is key.
Well, thats what I did. I tried my best not to stand out: No good. I kept trying but ultimatly people were going to say what they wanted regaudless of what I did. It was just how I as going to deal with it that was pissing me off. I remember once a boy in middle school said "She ain't shit." (in reference to me). I though I was going to die. I ignored it but it got through to me in the end. Now. I would've responded... In a violent, rude, personal way.
umm Livejournal was way out BEFORE myspace along with facebook (facebook used to be open only to college students) so get your facts straight okay?
bullies are weird they ususally pick on others to overcompensate their shortcommings, they have problems of their own and dont want to deal with it so they target the quiet, the shy or whoever seems like easy bait because why? because they wont fight back! they would just keep their mouth shut and whine about it rather than DO something about it. Sometimes the person being picked on becomes the bully themselfs and its a weird cycle. Especially among girls since they bite arround everything from, weight to style to being an individual
I was picked on in school because of my weight but I never let it get to me...well a few times it did but I just stood up and told them off that they were being shallow to pick on someone for weight told them to look at it from my shoes but that was my situation.
Okay, okay. I got the Myspace/LiveJournal bit wrong. My pardons. Valid point though.
Ah, and so the hypocrisy starts. I love how defensive you got. It just reflects so well how it goes against EVERYTHING YOU JUST STATED.
Quote from: L3sli3_Lov3s_Chu on April 13, 2008, 11:08:13 AM
Well, I understand why people bully others. It's usually a form of lack of self confidence or self esteem. In that light, [the people I'm reffering to] people are idiots... Because, no matter had badly you feel about yourself running around putting down people is out of the question and should in no way be looked over. Numerous time through out my life I've felt unconfident, but I had the balls enough to think things through and solve my problems. Why can't others?
And why do they feel that way? Why do they choose to vent that way? You throw out the basic reasonings but that's it. What is causing them personally to act like this? And just to let you know, not all people bully for solely those reasons. Let's take a look at the adult world here for a second. Let's look at the business world, let's look at business, let's look at industry. Does your boss pick on you because he feels unconfident and because they have a lack of self-esteem? They harass you at work because they don't have the balls enough to think things through and solve my problems?
You seem to not acknowledge quite a bit.
QuotePeople seem to argue alot here and there on these forums. I see it alot (maybe it's where I'm going?), so I decided to post one of the many life experiences I've had sort of out of randomness (it was 4:40 am..) and to see what folks think. Some think its just emo crap from chick going through puberty others find the semi-valid moral in it. If that's bad then... Geez.
Rather, it's more pointless. I created a discussion out of this by addressing things that weren't implimented and caused there to be something to talk about. I raised questions out of mentions, where as in general these should be implimented into the op, because otherwise there's no point in it.
QuoteNEGATIVE. I *have* a live journal but it's just a bootleg ass Myspace. And as far as Myspace goes... It's growing old. So! My question to you is "Why waste your time?". If this thread seems pointless to you, why post here? Does it make you feel like "Almighty Pyron" to post your knowledge and wisdom on threads of on relevance? Just asking.
Ugh... I'm ignoring the first part due to sheer stupidity and lack of relevence. I post because I prefer to salvage crap that seems like it MIGHT be able to be salvaged (even though the better half of me says I shouldn't waste my time on this crap).
QuoteWhy do/did people pick on me? I was always laughing. Which made them think I was always happy (I think I laughed alot as a front to hide how I really felt. I mean... I could laugh my ass off at absolutly nothing. YES, really.). So yes, in a sense... I did make myself a target. But at the same time, they were sad excuses for life (<--- critcal, mean,and untrue, but I don't want to delete it. Mature, huh?). Where I live, in Oakland, there is lots of violence, crime, and negativity. And where my school was located was like a crack spot. The children at my school probably went through alot outside of their homes. But do I give an anorexic fuck? Hell no. If you mother doesn't love you, or your friend got killed, don't take that shit out on me. (This is where I get mad and turn into something close to a mean, immoral, bitch.) I don't give a fuck. If you want my attention or affection: SPEAK TO ME. Don't call me ugly or say I'm hella black (I have a mirror, people.). Back to the notion of my being a target. I was, but if you see a can on the ground are you under an SO obligation to step on it. Nope. Why do people pick on others? Insecure with themselves and need some way to feel big.
Taking the high road and trying to improve yourself to prevent bullying would probably be a wise choice. Be strong, but not stubborn-- rationalization is key.
Assumptions. WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT... Now what you say doesn't make any damned sense at all. You went from stating how you were all emo cry cry, bull shit, to being "mature" and ignoring everything to now you were lashing out. As I said, you don't have a damned clue *WHY* people are acting the way they were, and you haven't a damned clue why the bullied you. Which from what it sounds like, was hardly bullying. You don't even care to understand or bother to care why they thought the way they did, so frankly, you're no better than they are being. Lack of understanding, and finding an outlet. Your outlet was different, but it stems from the same place. You're just as unconfident, and lacking just as much self-esteem as they are...
WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO TALK?
Rationalization? How the hell are you being rational?
QuoteWell, thats what I did. I tried my best not to stand out: No good. I kept trying but ultimatly people were going to say what they wanted regaudless of what I did. It was just how I as going to deal with it that was pissing me off. I remember once a boy in middle school said "She ain't shit." (in reference to me). I though I was going to die. I ignored it but it got through to me in the end. Now. I would've responded... In a violent, rude, personal way.
OH MY... GOD... OHNOS SOMEONE SAID "SHE AIN'T SHIT." IN REFERENCE TO YOU?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?! Oh man, that's so harsh, that is so horrible, no wonder you cried in your room, and you hated everyone, oh man... you're totally right. You really don't understand how people work.
You don't have it hard at all, and you're making such a huge deal out of such small crap. How is this being rational at all? How is this being mature? Oh wow, because responding in a violent and rude and personal way... IS ALSO SO MATURE AND TOTALLY HOW TO GO ABOUT THINGS... Because you know, if you act WORSE THAN THEY DO, that's totally the right way to go about it.
How you're acting is far from mature, and far from rational. It's eas to type yourself up and make yourself seem like you're being something good. It took one whole post from me to show that you're acting the exact opposite of what you stated.
Why did I post? Because I knew there was a lot more behind this post than you let on, and I wanted to pull it out.
Quote from: L3sli3_Lov3s_Chu on April 13, 2008, 11:08:13 AM
Well, I understand why people bully others. It's usually a form of lack of self confidence or self esteem. In that light, [the people I'm reffering to] people are idiots... Because, no matter had badly you feel about yourself running around putting down people is out of the question and should in no way be looked over. Numerous time through out my life I've felt unconfident, but I had the balls enough to think things through and solve my problems. Why can't others?
If that is what you concluded with, you really don't have much of an understanding
at all.
QuoteNEGATIVE. I *have* a live journal but it's just a bootleg ass Myspace. And as far as Myspace goes... It's growing old. So! My question to you is "Why waste your time?".
I think what he meant there was that this is your own personal rant, and not quite worth making a thread on in a public forum as opposed to your own personal blog.
QuoteWhy do/did people pick on me? I was always laughing. Which made them think I was always happy (I think I laughed alot as a front to hide how I really felt. I mean... I could laugh my ass off at absolutly nothing. YES, really.). So yes, in a sense... I did make myself a target. But at the same time, they were sad excuses for life (<--- critcal, mean,and untrue, but I don't want to delete it. Mature, huh?). Where I live, in Oakland, there is lots of violence, crime, and negativity. And where my school was located was like a crack spot. The children at my school probably went through alot outside of their homes. But do I give an anorexic fuck? Hell no. If you mother doesn't love you, or your friend got killed, don't take that shit out on me. (This is where I get mad and turn into something close to a mean, immoral, bitch.) I don't give a fuck. If you want my attention or affection: SPEAK TO ME. Don't call me ugly or say I'm hella black (I have a mirror, people.). Back to the notion of my being a target. I was, but if you see a can on the ground are you under an obligation to step on it. Nope. Why do people pick on others? Insecure with themselves and need some way to feel big.
For one thing, that's all you. You made yourself seem like you don't actually care when people pick on you, so why should they? It doesn't matter how "bad" things are for you, but rather, how you present yourself and display for people to judge you from.
QuoteQuoteTaking the high road and trying to improve yourself to prevent bullying would probably be a wise choice. Be strong, but not stubborn-- rationalization is key.
Well, thats what I did. I tried my best not to stand out: No good. I kept trying but ultimatly people were going to say what they wanted regaudless of what I did. It was just how I as going to deal with it that was pissing me off. I remember once a boy in middle school said "She ain't shit." (in reference to me). I though I was going to die. I ignored it but it got through to me in the end. Now. I would've responded... In a violent, rude, personal way.
I'll just say that you misinterpreted what I meant when I had said this. I'm not suggesting you to hide yourself from the public. I'm suggesting for you to consider BECOMING A BETTER PERSON. People have the rights to say whatever they want, but it's all you on whether or not you should take it to heart. In all honesty, I don't exactly understand how someone saying "She ain't shit" in reference to you should... even affect you. Sure, it'd hurt your feelings but come on. If you honestly think this is something worth getting emo over, you don't have it that bad at all.
See, people judge on the type of person you are based off of what YOU present yourself as. They have the right to have an opinion, along with being able to
speak about their opinion. In some cases, you can just ignore them, but in reoccurring incidents focused on your flaws, you could build upon acknowledging what they're making fun of and fix it. If you read my other post, you do put yourself up on this forum and show traits that are easily dislikable. One of which, you're presenting now, is how you demote yourself in terms of maturity when you become defensive.
This isn't you thinking rationally. This is just being immature.
@ Pyron: You made your point. @Jun: You made your point. I read you guys post and everything they is true.I get what you are saying. Happy now? Is anyone else out there? -echo- my topic can't be THAT bad... Can it?
Quote from: L3sli3_Lov3s_Chu on April 13, 2008, 02:18:18 PM
@ Pyron: You made your point. @Jun: You made your point. I read you guys post and everything they is true.I get what you are saying. Happy now? Is anyone else out there? -echo- my topic can't be THAT bad... Can it?
But that's the problem. You can listen to a point, whether it be someone lecturing you or bullying you, making fun of you, etc... but you refuse to learn from them. You just shrug off things people tell you and move on without gaining a thing.
FYI, he may not realize/intend it, but PyronIkari is kind of a bully.
Quote from: mDuo13 on April 13, 2008, 05:12:29 PM
FYI, he may not realize/intend it, but PyronIkari is kind of a bully.
Lol. Yeah, well, despite being an asshole there was truth to a few of the things he said.
I've gotten the shit beaten out of me as a kid too. I learned that its a dog eat dog place and if you can't handle it you are going to get snot stomped. That is how the world works. If you don't stand up fpr yourself, you are going to get pushed around.
You have got to understand that when you throw yourself out infront of a crowd, there will be a mixture of negative and positive responses. I have noticed you have some issues that you are getting off your chest by posting up these threads. Fine, have at it. But don't get upset at the responses. Its just a RESPONSE.
But people like Pyron and Jun will come at you with a fat reality check. Harsh? That is the world. I give them props, becuase what they say isn't sugar coated and babied and toned down. When things are sugar coated and g rated, you tend to miss the overall point of the matter. I don't think that they are trying to bully people, they're just stating the truth. The truth is not a pretty thing. I was raised the same way.
People will pick on others regardless of how or what/who they are. It's how you take it.
What you are going through is LIFE. What doesn't kill you will make you stronger.
Take what you learned and grow from it. Don't be afraid to take the hits with the swings.
:) What you said was real but wasn't mean or sugar coated. Thank you.
No prob. I hope it helps. ;)
Quote from: mDuo13 on April 13, 2008, 05:12:29 PM
FYI, he may not realize/intend it, but PyronIkari is kind of a bully.
This made me laugh. If you think what I do is bullying, you haven't a damned clue.
Quote from: PyronIkari on April 13, 2008, 10:09:22 PM
Quote from: mDuo13 on April 13, 2008, 05:12:29 PM
FYI, he may not realize/intend it, but PyronIkari is kind of a bully.
This made me laugh. If you think what I do is bullying, you haven't a damned clue.
Charles is a bully. =(
I had this big 'ol post to respond, but I'll just sum it up:
Confidence, and a spine to back it up. And/or, just make it not fun anymore to have them badger you.
Someone makes fun of you lightly? Brush it off.
Someone pursues you with their bullying? Blow them off further, as if they don't matter (and USUALLY they don't).
Someone gets physical? Step 1, Warn (usually in a way that implies that both of you have better things to do with your time, in an apathetic manner). Step 2, if they haven't stopped by now, dodge their strikes, and leave the situation to a place with witnesses, if they pursue further. If a strike lands? If you're in middle school, do what I did back then.
Fuck 'em up. Tear them apart. They have to strike first, but once they do they're fair game, scientology style.
Then, once they're gasping on the ground, work things out. Many times, they won't want to take the case to the office-- their pain is punishment enough. ;3
High school? Not so easy, but if you have any sort of legitimate evidence that they've been badgering you for a long time, they may let you off easier. I had one scuffle in High School (ever), and all they had me do was a bit of community service (like, an hour. That's child's play). The other guy was FAR worse off-- apparently he had a track record for what he did.
At least, in my experience, it all boils down to having confidence and something to back it up. Appearance does help, but with confidence, it'll be physically obvious anyway.
Thank you so much, Zoup! I appreciate the post and will take the advice given! n_n
Quote from: zoupzuop2 on April 13, 2008, 10:50:21 PM
I had this big 'ol post to respond, but I'll just sum it up:
Confidence, and a spine to back it up. And/or, just make it not fun anymore to have them badger you.
Someone makes fun of you lightly? Brush it off.
Someone pursues you with their bullying? Blow them off further, as if they don't matter (and USUALLY they don't).
Someone gets physical? Step 1, Warn (usually in a way that implies that both of you have better things to do with your time, in an apathetic manner). Step 2, if they haven't stopped by now, dodge their strikes, and leave the situation to a place with witnesses, if they pursue further. If a strike lands? If you're in middle school, do what I did back then.
Fuck 'em up. Tear them apart. They have to strike first, but once they do they're fair game, scientology style.
Then, once they're gasping on the ground, work things out. Many times, they won't want to take the case to the office-- their pain is punishment enough. ;3
High school? Not so easy, but if you have any sort of legitimate evidence that they've been badgering you for a long time, they may let you off easier. I had one scuffle in High School (ever), and all they had me do was a bit of community service (like, an hour. That's child's play). The other guy was FAR worse off-- apparently he had a track record for what he did.
At least, in my experience, it all boils down to having confidence and something to back it up. Appearance does help, but with confidence, it'll be physically obvious anyway.
There's problems with what you say. For one, getting into a fight against someone isn't smart unless you know you can take them in a fight, or take the punishment better than they can. Otherwise, you're just asking to be hurt bad. Beyond that point, you realize most schools in california have a 0 tolerance for fighting... period. It doesn't matter who started it, it doesn't matter who ended it, if you fight you're expelled. Again... not wise.
The post was flashy but in the end doesn't really work. It's case by case how to react to the bully. Some people you ignore, some you stick up for yourself, some you seek real help, some you challenge mentally. There's no "this is how you react to bullies" general answer. The most important thing is to not let it affect you long term, and deal with it rationally. Of course "rationally" means a lot of things in different situations.
Yeah... my middle school was pretty darn tolerant of that. So was my high school, now that I think of it. (That, and I know that I can take a LOT of people in a fight. That could be different for all sorts of people...)
In this case, then, I may have given advice only appropriate to my exclusive context and not to your case, L3sli3. My apologies; please don't follow it unless you're ready to face whatever consequences that the actions may take.
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on April 13, 2008, 05:06:29 PM
Quote from: L3sli3_Lov3s_Chu on April 13, 2008, 02:18:18 PM
@ Pyron: You made your point. @Jun: You made your point. I read you guys post and everything they is true.I get what you are saying. Happy now? Is anyone else out there? -echo- my topic can't be THAT bad... Can it?
But that's the problem. You can listen to a point, whether it be someone lecturing you or bullying you, making fun of you, etc... but you refuse to learn from them. You just shrug off things people tell you and move on without gaining a thing.
Hmm...
You really think I'll listen to someones "lecture" when it's presented like THAT? I say nay. When Pyron post he's usually saying things are %100 percent truth and real. It is the WAY he presents them that bothers me most. I don't want sugar-coated, I don't want fake. I want you to agree with me when I'm wrong, I don't want watered down. But when all you do is negativly disagree with people, especially the way he does, it just makes the post(s) boring and I automatically dismiss them. I don't have a problem with what PEOPLE say, but if you can't say it in a more respectable way... What do you expect? For me to say "Okay! That SOOOOOOO right! Thanks!"?. Reality is mean, but it doesn't always have to be a bitch. Or in his case... A realistic asshole... >_>
Beyond that point, you realize most schools in california have a 0 tolerance for fighting... period. It doesn't matter who started it, it doesn't matter who ended it, if you fight you're expelled.
Where do/did you go to school?
Where I go to school there is HIGH tolerance. Usually when there's a fight that isn't too extreme the student usually receives slap on the wrist and a 3-5 day suspension, and... That's it. But again, the serverity and cause of the fight usually determine the disiplinary action taken by the school.
Like recently at my school, at boy threw a book at a teachers head and he had a concusion ( Is that how you spell it?) on top of that he was bleeding and had to be hospitalized. If that was me he probably would be dead... But the point is, he's not coming back.
Another fight happened a few weeks ago between two girls. They fought, they were taken away by security, and they got their punishments. Neither one was expelled and they came back to school after about a week or two later (or at least one of them did).
Zoup, I am going to follow your advice because I am ready to face the consequences and this does apply to me. Sankyuu!
Quote from: L3sli3_Lov3s_Chu on April 15, 2008, 02:48:26 PM
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on April 13, 2008, 05:06:29 PM
Quote from: L3sli3_Lov3s_Chu on April 13, 2008, 02:18:18 PM
@ Pyron: You made your point. @Jun: You made your point. I read you guys post and everything they is true.I get what you are saying. Happy now? Is anyone else out there? -echo- my topic can't be THAT bad... Can it?
But that's the problem. You can listen to a point, whether it be someone lecturing you or bullying you, making fun of you, etc... but you refuse to learn from them. You just shrug off things people tell you and move on without gaining a thing.
Hmm...
You really think I'll listen to someones "lecture" when it's presented like THAT? I say nay. When Pyron post he's usually saying things are %100 percent truth and real. It is the WAY he presents them that bothers me most. I don't want sugar-coated, I don't want fake. I want you to agree with me when I'm wrong, I don't want watered down. But when all you do is negativly disagree with people, especially the way he does, it just makes the post(s) boring and I automatically dismiss them. I don't have a problem with what PEOPLE say, but if you can't say it in a more respectable way... What do you expect? For me to say "Okay! That SOOOOOOO right! Thanks!"?. Reality is mean, but it doesn't always have to be a bitch. Or in his case... A realistic asshole... >_>
I beg your pardon? My first post to you was pretty respectable, to be honest. The way you present yourself deserves none of that, if anything, there's no question why you SHOULD be bullied. Because you display so much of your self to make others dislike you, a slap to the face would be a good opportunity to knock some sense into you.
So, you admitted to him being right... but you won't accept it because of the tone? That's a disgusting show of character, to say the least.You said that you'd refuse to read past tone just because it isn't written in a way that agrees with you. You also said you don't want sugarcoated or fake... and yet you just said you will only accept words that agree with you when you're wrong? This is called "being a hypocrite", and you're the perfect representation of it.
You find posts that tell you "you're wrong" boring... does that mean you get them
often? Maybe that's a clue to actually listen to others for once, instead of being so immature and stubborn that the only thing you can manage to stomach is "OH, YOU'RE SO GREAT! NO ONE SHOULD BE MEAN TO YOU, AND YOU'RE SO PERFECT THE WAY YOU ARE PRINCESS~~~" For your own sake, grow up. People bully you and give you advice you don't like because you lack good qualities, thus, you're in need of improvement. You won't accept it so you'll shrug off anyone that won't agree with you and praise you without any reason.
But I'm sure you're not going to listen to any of this, either. I don't expect you to. I just hope you don't expect to make it very far in life.
That post was more or less to Pyron. But what ever, you're right .I'm going to display my immaturity and NOT give any second thought to any of what you say. Happy? You're right again. With that said, you'll stop post, right?
Quote from: L3sli3_Lov3s_Chu on April 15, 2008, 02:48:26 PM
Hmm...
You really think I'll listen to someones "lecture" when it's presented like THAT? I say nay. When Pyron post he's usually saying things are %100 percent truth and real. It is the WAY he presents them that bothers me most. I don't want sugar-coated, I don't want fake. I want you to agree with me when I'm wrong, I don't want watered down. But when all you do is negativly disagree with people, especially the way he does, it just makes the post(s) boring and I automatically dismiss them. I don't have a problem with what PEOPLE say, but if you can't say it in a more respectable way... What do you expect? For me to say "Okay! That SOOOOOOO right! Thanks!"?. Reality is mean, but it doesn't always have to be a bitch. Or in his case... A realistic asshole... >_>
This is hillarious.
This just more than anything proves my point that you're a stupid shit immature little brat. If you're not willing to accept shit just because of who it comes from, or how they say it, you think you're going to make it in this world? You think you're in any way mature? What a god damned joke. You come on here, and start shooting off your little mouth as if you're some wise kid that is so beyond her age. Then you come back with this shit? Grow the hell up. Seriously. I hate little brats like you. What do I expect? I don't give a damn about you conceding and saying I'm right, I don't care about making myself seem better. If I did, I would be all respectable, use big words, and write in a way like you said, but that's hardly my point.
If you think I'm an asshole compared to life, you've got a lot coming to you when you see the real world. Atleast I'M ATTEMPTING to tell you the truth so that you learn. Other people won't even begin to do that, and will be way harsher than I am. And your response to that is that "LOLOLOL I WON'T LISTEN BECUASE YOU ARES NOT NICE!"
HAHAHHAHAHA
WHAT A GOD DAMNED JOKE.
Reality dosent have to be nice either...
Please for the love of god READ what he says rather than go "OH NOES HES SO MEAN IM NOT GONNA READ IT CAUSE HES SUUUCH AN ASS :["
Hes trying to tell you the truth and you ignore it, I find it immature of you. Not everything in the real world is sunshine and rainbows like they show on tv, its called hollywood for a reason ;D
You are just a kid and a punk ass kid at that who is so ignorant of the truth WHEN ITS PRESENTED TO YOUR FACE that you just brush it off? Laame
There are worse people out there than Pyron, I have met them and you probally wont make it in the real world with that whole "ignorance is bliss" crap
Pyron doesn't sugar-coat things. He's blunt. It's how he is. I don't necessarily agree with everything he says, but I can understand it as his personal opinion or his rationalization of facts. Seeing as how people always will disagree with other people, it's just how life is. However, I do feel he could tone it down more often. It just causes less drama and negative reactions (But I would be slightly less entertained).
As for bullying, in my experience there are a lot of different reasons for the why or hows. It's a very tough subject, in my opinion, to subject to one specific type of reason. Especially when the bullying is different on the various social levels that exist in our world. Bullying in school, emotional bullying, bullying at work, etc all vary depending on the person and the situation. Standing up for yourself or having the realization that you are being bullied, whether it is emotionally or physically, is often a good first step. A lot of people who are bullied more often than not don't realize it.
You know in middle school, this dude three times my size liked to pick on me. One day, he was picking a fight with me. A lot of people were around, so I kinda just stood there taking it like a man, waiting for an opportunity. Dropped him so hard, I don't think he'll be having kids for at least another twenty years. Word spread, never got picked on ever again, not even in high school. Once you fight dirty, other guys know it. Of course, over the years, I took martial arts so I wouldn't have to use that forbidden technique. =p Regardless, I think martial arts would be good for people who feel like they are bullied. Discipline, respect for others and oneself, an understanding of your own potential, awareness of your environment, etc. All good stuff it instills in you.
Zero tolerance is a policy employed at most schools, but you can get away with it if you aren't on campus. That's how my school handled it, you went off campus somewhere people could fight. This could lead to other problems if SJPD is patrolling around the schools, but the people at my high school were pros at avoiding the cops. Haha.
Pyron, you are an asshole.
But hey so am I, I'm pretty mean outside these boards. I'm in the business world running a company. Dog eat dog world.
Life is a bitch, just an FYI. Less QQ, More Pew Pew.
(Flame on)
Quote from: Steve.Young on April 15, 2008, 09:51:58 PM
You know in middle school, this dude three times my size liked to pick on me. One day, he was picking a fight with me. A lot of people were around, so I kinda just stood there taking it like a man, waiting for an opportunity. Dropped him so hard, I don't think he'll be having kids for at least another twenty years. Word spread, never got picked on ever again, not even in high school. Once you fight dirty, other guys know it. Of course, over the years, I took martial arts so I wouldn't have to use that forbidden technique. =p Regardless, I think martial arts would be good for people who feel like they are bullied. Discipline, respect for others and oneself, an understanding of your own potential, awareness of your environment, etc. All good stuff it instills in you.
To be honest, I doubt this would work for girls as efficiently as they do for guys. With guys, they can flaunt their masculinity, whether it be beating other people up, pulling stupid stunts, having a vulgar sense of humor, being promiscuous... and be praised for it. As for girls, they'd either be dubbed as freaks, bitches, whores, and sluts-- it especially doesn't work well with girls that are unattractive. And in this case, she's 17 and should
supposedly know better as to not to resort of violence, but hey, the rest of her posts make that sort of expectation a bit too high.
Your right, it doesn't work for everyone. It worked for me, so I was just throwing it out there. Guys do have an advantage in resorting to violence, as most assume it's a genetic predisposition, natural, hormones, etc.
Essentially, everyone has to find their own path. I honestly think that no two people can truly take the same path. You may think they are the same, but they aren't ;)
Bustin a guys' nose works just as fine for me as the next person. XD Though, I try to keep the violence to a minimum. It's really not the way to go. But that is very true. No two paths are the same. Everyone's gotta find their own.
You are just a kid and a punk ass kid at that who is so ignorant of the truth WHEN ITS PRESENTED TO YOUR FACE that you just brush it off? Laame
Aww, you totally figured me out! And I was hoping you wouldn't! Geez... This is totally going to make me cry... Waaaahahaha. Good lawd...
You basically just said what Pryon and Jun have been repeating over and over in their post, just putting it in your own words...
THAT, my friend, is "Laame".
As for girls, they'd either be dubbed as freaks, bitches, whores, and sluts-- it especially doesn't work well with girls that are unattractive.
Wait a minute...
Are you implying I'm unattractive? Say what you want about me being immature, a hypocrite and what ever else you want... But, if thats what you're implying then thats completely uncalled for and is totally off topic.
Quote from: Steve.Young on April 15, 2008, 09:51:58 PM
Pyron doesn't sugar-coat things. He's blunt. It's how he is. I don't necessarily agree with everything he says, but I can understand it as his personal opinion or his rationalization of facts. Seeing as how people always will disagree with other people, it's just how life is. However, I do feel he could tone it down more often. It just causes less drama and negative reactions (But I would be slightly less entertained).
As for bullying, in my experience there are a lot of different reasons for the why or hows. It's a very tough subject, in my opinion, to subject to one specific type of reason. Especially when the bullying is different on the various social levels that exist in our world. Bullying in school, emotional bullying, bullying at work, etc all vary depending on the person and the situation. Standing up for yourself or having the realization that you are being bullied, whether it is emotionally or physically, is often a good first step. A lot of people who are bullied more often than not don't realize it.
You know in middle school, this dude three times my size liked to pick on me. One day, he was picking a fight with me. A lot of people were around, so I kinda just stood there taking it like a man, waiting for an opportunity. Dropped him so hard, I don't think he'll be having kids for at least another twenty years. Word spread, never got picked on ever again, not even in high school. Once you fight dirty, other guys know it. Of course, over the years, I took martial arts so I wouldn't have to use that forbidden technique. =p Regardless, I think martial arts would be good for people who feel like they are bullied. Discipline, respect for others and oneself, an understanding of your own potential, awareness of your environment, etc. All good stuff it instills in you.
Zero tolerance is a policy employed at most schools, but you can get away with it if you aren't on campus. That's how my school handled it, you went off campus somewhere people could fight. This could lead to other problems if SJPD is patrolling around the schools, but the people at my high school were pros at avoiding the cops. Haha.
Pyron, you are an asshole.
But hey so am I, I'm pretty mean outside these boards. I'm in the business world running a company. Dog eat dog world.
Life is a bitch, just an FYI. Less QQ, More Pew Pew.
(Flame on)
I would love to take martial arts, but I'm afraid I might become the very thing I'm trying to avoid: A bully. Well, not really. I'd just return the favor of talking shit and whopping ass the bullys give to me.
You'd think that because I've been through it I'd know how it feels and would be more considerate of people, their actions, and the things that cause them to act the way they act.
But because I'm immature and kept alot of things bottled in, the minute I'd get some form of power I'd abuse it and take out all of my kept in emotions and frustrations out on other people. Primarily bullys....
I'd still love to try it though! It might teach me somethings I didn't know about myself and teach me some level of maturity and restrain.
Maybe I wouldn't become a bully. Who knows?
Quote from: L3sli3_Lov3s_Chu on April 16, 2008, 12:48:09 PM
QuoteAs for girls, they'd either be dubbed as freaks, bitches, whores, and sluts-- it especially doesn't work well with girls that are unattractive.
Wait a minute...
Are you implying I'm unattractive? Say what you want about me being immature, a hypocrite and what ever else you want... But, if thats what you're implying then thats completely uncalled for and is totally off topic.
For one thing, the only time I actually referred to you in that post was the very last sentence. It's true that in those situations, unattractive girls don't get away with them as easily as attractive girls do. Girls in general don't get away with them as easily, but in most cases, those who are attractive and confident get away with sleeping around without having a bad reputation, without being seen as a freak when they beat someone up, and etc. Anyways, if you felt that it was directed at you, I take it you don't find yourself very attractive.
Here's where I referred to you.
QuoteAnd in this case, she's 17 and should supposedly know better as to not to resort of violence, but hey, the rest of her posts make that sort of expectation a bit too high.
Although it's not quite along the time of insults like "She's a ho" and "She ain't shit", I admit it to be an insult... based on what you've displayed
yourself in this thread. If anything, it goes both ways. I feel ashamed to be the same age as you.
Insults could be taken as challenges, especially when they attack a specific reason why that person doesn't like you. Someone could say "She's just weak and pathetic", it's a challenge for yourself to prove that one can grow stronger. When I say, "I have low expectations for you in terms of maturity", do yourself the favor and grow up.
Though, some decent advice that
isn't insulting: If you plan on getting into martial arts, join for the sake of improving yourself, discipline, and appreciation for the art rather than joining just to learn how to hurt others. =/
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on April 16, 2008, 01:36:21 PM
Quote from: L3sli3_Lov3s_Chu on April 16, 2008, 12:48:09 PM
QuoteAs for girls, they'd either be dubbed as freaks, bitches, whores, and sluts-- it especially doesn't work well with girls that are unattractive.
Wait a minute...
Are you implying I'm unattractive? Say what you want about me being immature, a hypocrite and what ever else you want... But, if thats what you're implying then thats completely uncalled for and is totally off topic.
For one thing, the only time I actually referred to you in that post was the very last sentence. It's true that in those situations, unattractive girls don't get away with them as easily as attractive girls do. Girls in general don't get away with them as easily, but in most cases, those who are attractive and confident get away with sleeping around without having a bad reputation, without being seen as a freak when they beat someone up, and etc. Anyways, if you felt that it was directed at you, I take it you don't find yourself very attractive.
Here's where I referred to you.
QuoteAnd in this case, she's 17 and should supposedly know better as to not to resort of violence, but hey, the rest of her posts make that sort of expectation a bit too high.
Although it's not quite along the time of insults like "She's a ho" and "She ain't shit", I admit it to be an insult... based on what you've displayed yourself in this thread. If anything, it goes both ways. I feel ashamed to be the same age as you.
Insults could be taken as challenges, especially when they attack a specific reason why that person doesn't like you. Someone could say "She's just weak and pathetic", it's a challenge for yourself to prove that one can grow stronger. When I say, "I have low expectations for you in terms of maturity", do yourself the favor and grow up.
Though, some decent advice that isn't insulting: If you plan on getting into martial arts, join for the sake of improving yourself, discipline, and appreciation for the art rather than joining just to learn how to hurt others. =/
Anyways, if you felt that it was directed at you, I take it you don't find yourself very attractive.
No, I unfortunatly can have a very haughty attitude on my appearance. I don't know how it developed, but it did. I remember there was a point in time where I hated looking in the mirror, now I l almost spend 15 minutes taking pictures and admiring myself.
But any ways...
Though, some decent advice that isn't insulting: If you plan on getting into martial arts, join for the sake of improving yourself, discipline, and appreciation for the art rather than joining just to learn how to hurt others. =/
I like this advice.
I feel ashamed to be the same age as you.
Yeh, well, trust me, you aren't the first. I'm sure lots of people feel this way.
Insults could be taken as challenges, especially when they attack a specific reason why that person doesn't like you. Someone could say "She's just weak and pathetic", it's a challenge for yourself to prove that one can grow stronger. When I say, "I have low expectations for you in terms of maturity", do yourself the favor and grow up.
I
detest being challenged the most. My attitude on that is "Who are you to challenge me?"
This is probably the reason why I'm quick to disagree with people rather than giving what they say some thought. My Dad called me out on this, he said that it isn't the way I should act and---.... Ack! What the hell am I doing!?
Quote from: L3sli3_Lov3s_Chu on April 16, 2008, 04:25:34 PM
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on April 16, 2008, 01:36:21 PM
Insults could be taken as challenges, especially when they attack a specific reason why that person doesn't like you. Someone could say "She's just weak and pathetic", it's a challenge for yourself to prove that one can grow stronger. When I say, "I have low expectations for you in terms of maturity", do yourself the favor and grow up.
I detest being challenged the most. My attitude on that is "Who are you to challenge me?"
This is probably the reason why I'm quick to disagree with people rather than giving what they say some thought. My Dad called me out on this, he said that it isn't the way I should act and---.... Ack! What the hell am I doing!?
People challenging you may feel patronizing, but sometimes when they're repeated, it's kind of a hint that this is a flaw of yours. When you take the initiative to fix these flaws, it's improving yourself, not quite for the sake of others, but for yourself. It makes you a better person, and people will take notice of that and respect you. No one is perfect, but everyone has flaws. Again, my point from the beginning of this is... there's always room for improvement, and becoming a better person is generally a good thing.
If you haven't taken my advice already, PLEASE don't take it. It's just not right for your context! I was just very lucky! My context is very different from your own!
Besides, I doubt you even KNOW some of the consequences, even if they let you off easy! If you do, then you should also know it's just not worth it!
Granted, I wouldn't be responsible for your decision to take my (admittedly poor) advice, but... I'd rather not have even the SLIGHTEST cloud over my head about it.
Reading that you were going to take my advice anyway scared me a lot. PLEASE! JUST DON'T!
Quote from: zoupzuop2 on April 16, 2008, 06:01:28 PM
If you haven't taken my advice already, PLEASE don't take it. It's just not right for your context! I was just very lucky! My context is very different from your own!
Besides, I doubt you even KNOW some of the consequences, even if they let you off easy! If you do, then you should also know it's just not worth it!
Granted, I wouldn't be responsible for your decision to take my (admittedly poor) advice, but... I'd rather not have even the SLIGHTEST cloud over my head about it.
Reading that you were going to take my advice anyway scared me a lot. PLEASE! JUST DON'T!
I just got beat up today! Why Zuop?! You told me to! Why!! Oh the pain!
I'm just kidding. I know, I know. I actually didn't like fights or competition at all... Thats another reason why I didn't really respond to people at school: it would just lead to a fight or some stupid uneeded arguement.
(kinda past tense now, if I feel it appropriate, I'll respond, regaurdless of the possible consequences. Well, not really.. I use SOME logic. I dunno... I guess I'm half and half... >_> and really indecisive.)
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on April 16, 2008, 05:25:26 PM
Quote from: L3sli3_Lov3s_Chu on April 16, 2008, 04:25:34 PM
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on April 16, 2008, 01:36:21 PM
Insults could be taken as challenges, especially when they attack a specific reason why that person doesn't like you. Someone could say "She's just weak and pathetic", it's a challenge for yourself to prove that one can grow stronger. When I say, "I have low expectations for you in terms of maturity", do yourself the favor and grow up.
I detest being challenged the most. My attitude on that is "Who are you to challenge me?"
This is probably the reason why I'm quick to disagree with people rather than giving what they say some thought. My Dad called me out on this, he said that it isn't the way I should act and---.... Ack! What the hell am I doing!?
People challenging you may feel patronizing, but sometimes when they're repeated, it's kind of a hint that this is a flaw of yours. When you take the initiative to fix these flaws, it's improving yourself, not quite for the sake of others, but for yourself. It makes you a better person, and people will take notice of that and respect you. No one is perfect, but everyone has flaws. Again, my point from the beginning of this is... there's always room for improvement, and becoming a better person is generally a good thing.
Now I feel like and even bigger ass... But this is normal for me.
I like big butts and I cannot lie.
You other brothers can't deny
Quote from: JTchinoy on April 16, 2008, 08:31:38 PM
I like big butts and I cannot lie.
You other brothers can't deny
o_o ... XD Silly.
Alright, alright.
I learned something from all the post and I highly appreciate people taking their time to respond to my thread-thingy. When making a thread, I've learned that I cannot only take the good, but that I have to take the bad as well. I've learned that the internet isn't the nicest place in the world and shouldn't always be seen as a place to vent and think you'll get automatic sympathy.
There are people who post to who have a point and then there are people who post just because they can and make themselves look like asses. I am guilty of both and have seen these acts in my threads as well. I've learned to THINK befor I post (atleast for the most part) so as not to be one of the people who post 'cause they can.
As far as the advice goes... Thank you so much. It'll help me make wiser decision in handling people and bullys alike.
With that said this thread is lock't. I've gotten what I wanted.
Questions? Comments or advice? Leave a PM and I'll get back to you as soon as possible! n_n -Lock't-