San Francisco --
The California Supreme Court overturned a voter-approved gay marriage ban Thursday in a ruling that would make the nation's largest state the second one to allow gay and lesbian weddings.
The justices released the 4-3 decision, saying that domestic partnerships are not a good enough substitute for marriage in an opinion written by Chief Justice Ron George. Justices Joyce Kennard, Kathryn Werdegar and Carlos Moreno joined the majority.
Outside the courthouse, gay marriage supporters cried and cheered as news spread of the decision.
In striking down the ban, the court said, "In contrast to earlier times, our state now recognizes that an individual's capacity to establish a loving and long-term committed relationship with another person and responsibly to care for and raise children does not depend upon the individual's sexual orientation, and, more generally, that an individual's sexual orientation -- like a person's race or gender -- does not constitute a legitimate basis upon which to deny or withhold legal rights."
While agreeing with many arguments of the majority, Justice Marvin Baxter said in a dissenting opinion that the high court overstepped its authority. Changes to marriage laws should be decided by the voters, Baxter wrote. Justices Ming Chin and Carol Corrigan joined in dissenting.
The cases were brought by the city of San Francisco, two dozen gay and lesbian couples, Equality California and another gay rights group in March 2004 after the court halted San Francisco's monthlong same-sex wedding march that took place at Mayor Gavin Newsom's direction.
"Today the California Supreme Court took a giant leap to ensure that everybody -- not just in the state of California, but throughout the country -- will have equal treatment under the law," said City Attorney Dennis Herrera, who argued the case for San Francisco.
The challenge for gay rights advocates, however, is not over.
A coalition of religious and social conservative groups is attempting to put a measure on the November ballot that would enshrine laws banning gay marriage in the state constitution.
The Secretary of State is expected to rule by the end of June whether the sponsors gathered enough signatures to qualify the marriage amendment, similar to ones enacted in 26 other states.
If voters pass the measure in November, it would overrule the court decision.
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I'm all for it personally. ;D
All for it, too.
I would understand why some people would oppose it since it's frowned upon by their religion or they just don't like it.... But I don't see why some groups should try to ban Gay Marriage, since it's none of their business what the couples do or don't do..... It's totally up to the couples and what goes on between them has nothing to do with anyone else.
Quote from: Rei-Rei on May 16, 2008, 05:52:40 PM
All for it, too.
I would understand why some people would oppose it since it's frowned upon by their religion or they just don't like it.... But I don't see why some groups should try to ban Gay Marriage, since it's none of their business what the couples do or don't do..... It's totally up to the couples and what goes on between them has nothing to do with anyone else.
Same here, why do they care how other people live their life? Screw them, being gay is not a sin (I've heard that it is), just because the pope says so doesn't mean it is, he doesn't have that power to decide whats a sin and whats not, only God can do that. And besides its not like banning gay marriage will stop people from being gay.
(not gay)
About time. (No homo)
Well you know how it is with people saying that marriage is reserved for the love between a man and a woman, although I've never read that official definition personally. So they think gay people getting married soils the sanctity that marriage represents.
Then the stuff about gay people raising kids, and those kids will likely be gay blah blah blah. All that homophobe BS about gays ruining the straight world.
I'd say it's also fear of change and not just the sanctity of marriage. I imagine the reactions of people were similar when interracial marriages became common, but today it's not a big complaint(except from the more racist groups of people).
I get the feeling that people will become more and more used to same sex marriages over time...
Other than that, yay for gays!
yay!!
(strong homo)
Hopefully it'll stay but all the uptight, crazy people are making such a huge fuss over it.
I would call myself a very religious person (I'm Catholic and proud to be one), but I don't choke my beliefs on other people. I think that gay people have the right to love and marriage just like everyone else. It's stupid to seclude them in the ceremony just because they're gay. Their life won't effect yours. If you believe they're going to Hell, then why worry about them? Just worry about your own destiny. Any person I've talked to who don't like gay people (or want to make them straight) are always saying stuff about their after-life situation. I hate hate hate that argument because everyone believes different things jeez.
I watched the speech Mr. Gavin Newsom made on tv yesterday (I think?). It was really good and very inspiring. I also hope that other states will follow suit.
Now if only I had a man in my life to marry, my life would be full of win. XD
But seriously, this is definitely a huge hurdle and victory for gay rights. And I'm also very proud of those that are open minded and are willing to accept and see that all that we're looking for is equality and to show that our love and devotion to our loved ones like anybody else. Hopefully, it'll only get better from here on out.
apparently voters can overturn this decision in november. let's hope america is majority liberal and keep the decision. :)
Even if they do overturn it, give it a few more years. They can't hold out forever. While now they bicker and piss and moan about gays being able to marry they are going to soon(even if it is 3 decades too late) find out they have much bigger problems and stop worrying about peoples right to do whatever the fuck they want.
The y generation is going to turn shit around and in the next 20 years the world is going to be a much better place. Just wait for it.
At least our kids will enjoy it all.
intense debate going on about this in the forum that i got this article from. ???
well for now Im glad that this has passed =) Im all for it
Quote from: JohnnyAR on May 16, 2008, 06:29:39 PM
Quote from: Rei-Rei on May 16, 2008, 05:52:40 PM
All for it, too.
I would understand why some people would oppose it since it's frowned upon by their religion or they just don't like it.... But I don't see why some groups should try to ban Gay Marriage, since it's none of their business what the couples do or don't do..... It's totally up to the couples and what goes on between them has nothing to do with anyone else.
Same here, why do they care how other people live their life? Screw them, being gay is not a sin (I've heard that it is), just because the pope says so doesn't mean it is, he doesn't have that power to decide whats a sin and whats not, only God can do that. And besides its not like banning gay marriage will stop people from being gay.
(not gay)
Well if you want to now what God has to say look up 1 Corinthians 6:9 in the bible.
i'm going to chance being stoned by the religious people and say i really don't care what that scripture says. ;D
As someone who has studied religion as a partisan neutral person, I'm going to say that religious activists really need to go and study the history of their religion a little bit more before they make ASSumptions. (Not about gay marriage, but just their religion in general. If they knew the things that their religion used to consider moral, they'd think twice about using it as a justification for intolerance against gays)
Very glad to see this finally come about. It warms my heart to know that the system actually works, once in a while. To see the Supreme Court stand up to discrimintaion is wonderful. A ban on gay marriage, regardless of its religious implications, is discrimination, pure and simple.
I hear there's gay marriages scheduled as early as June. o.o
*hopes closet conservatives don't vote the ruling down*
my mom and her girlfriend of 13 years are getting married in september. =)
I mean, even if they ban gay marriages in November... Gay couples will still continue to live with each other and act like a couple... (Take my friend's parents for example.)
You can't really just go about telling gay couples that they can't be together. =\
But anyways I'm happy for all the gay couples out there. ^^
grats to them!
13 years? damn, thats a long time to just date someone. :P j/k
technically you can tell them it's disgusting to be together, but i'm fairly sure you can't make it illegal to date. that would open a can of worms.
Quote from: Rei-Rei on May 18, 2008, 05:55:09 PM
I mean, even if they ban gay marriages in November... Gay couples will still continue to live with each other and act like a couple... (Take my friend's parents for example.)
You can't really just go about telling gay couples that they can't be together. =\
But anyways I'm happy for all the gay couples out there. ^^
The only problem is that they don't get completely equal standing under the law in that scenario. Civil unions give some of the same legal rights and privileges as marriage does, but not all of them. That's why marriage for gays is so important.
One thing my faith taught me is that you have no right to judge what another person believes or does. You only have a right to fight it if it in turn harms you.
I'm not big on starting fights, but I'm very talented on finishing them.
Quote from: Amon_devilman on May 18, 2008, 07:51:38 PM
I'm not big on starting fights, but I'm very talented on finishing them.
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When word first broke out in the news, I immediately texted my friend with an overtly excited message. She can now have her lesbo wedding when the time comes.(best man right here. ^^)
It's odd too that I did a pro gay marriage presentation in my speech class a while ago. Basically the religious reasons don't stand. You can't force somebody who isn't part of your religion to follow your ways. These fundamentalist might aswell try to ban atheist and people of non-christian religions from getting married according to their logic.(wouldn't surprise me if they tried.0_0) I won't go into my entire drawn speech that I did in class.
I get a feeling the proposed amendment will be defeated. Prop22 back in 2000 pretty much went unapposed when it passed, but this time around there seems to be support for gay marriage all around. The govenator even said he would oppose any bans.(I am actually forced to admit he's doing good for once. XD)
double ended dildo for a wedding gift? ;D
j/k
Quote from: JTchinoy on May 18, 2008, 11:38:47 PM
double ended dildo for a wedding gift? ;D
j/k
Dude... :o
Quote from: JTchinoy on May 18, 2008, 11:38:47 PM
double ended dildo for a wedding gift? ;D
j/k
Like they don't already have a few sets? And nicknamed them? >_>
Quote from: Kaura117 on May 19, 2008, 09:22:14 AM
Quote from: JTchinoy on May 18, 2008, 11:38:47 PM
double ended dildo for a wedding gift? ;D
j/k
Like they don't already have a few sets? And nicknamed them? >_>
here's jimmy, and billy, and justin timberlake. :D
Quote from: JTchinoy on May 18, 2008, 11:38:47 PM
double ended dildo for a wedding gift? ;D
j/k
That also works for straight weddings in some cases. XD
So where are all of those religion fundamentalist and their shotguns? O_O;
Quote from: FinalShadows on May 20, 2008, 08:46:21 AM
So where are all of those religion fundamentalist and their shotguns? O_O;
They are busy finding out why kids arnt' saying they're prayers in school and why they arn't studying the "scientific" theory of Intelligent Designer.
Quote from: Glitch on May 20, 2008, 09:40:35 AM
Quote from: FinalShadows on May 20, 2008, 08:46:21 AM
So where are all of those religion fundamentalist and their shotguns? O_O;
They are busy finding out why kids arnt' saying they're prayers in school and why they arn't studying the "scientific" theory of Intelligent Designer.
Dont forget protesting at abortion clinics:V
lol intelligent designer...reminds me of Project runway
Quote from: Kazuko on May 20, 2008, 08:32:03 PM
Quote from: Glitch on May 20, 2008, 09:40:35 AM
Quote from: FinalShadows on May 20, 2008, 08:46:21 AM
So where are all of those religion fundamentalist and their shotguns? O_O;
They are busy finding out why kids arnt' saying they're prayers in school and why they arn't studying the "scientific" theory of Intelligent Designer.
Dont forget protesting at abortion clinics:V
lol intelligent designer...reminds me of Project runway
And forgot to add marrying their cousins. Yeah, apparrently same blood beats out same gender for them. XD