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Title: The hug line
Post by: Dagger-6 on May 26, 2009, 06:54:26 PM
I've been reading a lot of complaints about the line of people sporting "Free hug" signs over on the cosplay.com forums, so I figured that we could take feedback on it here.

How did you feel about it?  And people with signs in particular?

Are they harmless fun?
Are they annoying and kind of creepy?
Are they fine, as long as we better kept people in check so that they didn't heckle or run up and jump on people?
Are people holding signs just bad to begin with?

Theoretically they should not be heckling people or glomping them without permission, and if the rover's had received complaints we would have dealt with it.  To my recollection there were no actual complaints about this during con, but I'm seeing a lot of them cropping up now.  During con our main concern was the line of people blocking the walkway.  Now that con's over, let's see what the thoughts are for next year.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Steven McIntosh on May 26, 2009, 07:13:41 PM
Annoying as hell. I actually thought the signs had been banned. If people want to solicit hugs, let them hang out with the Jesus protesters on the sidewalk.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: FanFicGuru on May 26, 2009, 07:15:35 PM
It is an incredible annoyance and creates a very intimidating environment. I was there with my 4 younger sisters and coming across a large mob of people screaming and holding out their arms begging for hugs was disturbing and unnecessary. Yes, the convention environment should be a warm one, but that doesn't mean that everyone's there to give out hugs/glomps to complete strangers. Signs should only be used as part of a costume and signs requesting money for any sort of service are out of line (charging for a mis-guessed gender? $5 for live yuri action? what?)

In short, I understand if you are socially awkward and you find Fanime as a great time to break out and experience physical contact with members of the opposite sex with little or no regard for the consequences...but don't make signs and don't push yourself on other people. Enjoy the con and maybe hugs will just come as a by-product of having a good time.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Rette on May 26, 2009, 07:26:23 PM
The hug lines were annoying. They did it in one of the narrower parts of the convention hall where there was a lot of traffic so they were hard to avoid.
Asking someone who's cosplaying your favorite character for a hug is perfectly acceptable, because permission is involved, and it's generally innocent. Being sad and pathetic holding a "Free Hugs" sign and charging unsuspecting people who have no desire to hug creeps must be discouraged. Perhaps next year Rovers can try and break up hug mobs if they arise.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Stythys on May 26, 2009, 07:30:11 PM
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Are they harmless fun?
yes

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Are they annoying and kind of creepy?
no

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Are they fine, as long as we better kept people in check so that they didn't heckle or run up and jump on people?
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Are people holding signs just bad to begin with?
no

people need to chill....  :P
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: suna_no_yoroi on May 26, 2009, 07:37:07 PM
The people were ordered to stay against the wall so they wouldn't be in the way.  If you didn't want to be hugged you didn't have to.  I honestly thought it was a positive experience, people are so closed off and apathetic towards eachother in society anymore that I thought it was cool that people were willing to show a little love to all genders/orientations/cosplays etc.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: SOawesomeness on May 26, 2009, 07:42:50 PM
How did you feel about it?  And people with signs in particular?
It was okay until it got really really big during either Monday or Sunday.
Are they harmless fun?
Kind of...
Are they annoying and kind of creepy?
I have to say yes... there were a LOT of people...
Are they fine, as long as we better kept people in check so that they didn't heckle or run up and jump on people?
Kind of... I mean, it was like, 20 attendees that all wanted hugs and stuff though. Heckling is bound to happen.
Are people holding signs just bad to begin with?
Not unless they're soliciting something, really. Signs are fine, free hugs are fine as long as it's not being shouted out like salespeople do imo. I prefer the ones wearing shirts who walk around instead of people who stand there expecting hugs and stuff.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: FanFicGuru on May 26, 2009, 07:45:02 PM
The people were ordered to stay against the wall so they wouldn't be in the way.  If you didn't want to be hugged you didn't have to.  I honestly thought it was a positive experience, people are so closed off and apathetic towards eachother in society anymore that I thought it was cool that people were willing to show a little love to all genders/orientations/cosplays etc.

I'm sorry but while the intentions may have been good what it ended up turning into was an intimidating mob of attention whores...which is what sign pushers usually boil down to. I apologize if that comes off as harsh and encountering someone who's giving out hugs every once in a while is fine, running into a whole wall of them, being loud and obnoxious however, is not fine. Sadly, that's how it always turns out.

I understand that anime fans of the high-school demographic typically have trouble in social settings, but that doesn't mean you get to do whatever you want at an anime convention. I feel like they get set loose on Friday and kind of go wild all weekend. While it is a weekend for fun and sharing in the anime community, it's also embarassing when these same people do things like form hug lines, chase people down for glomps and other unnecessary things.

Then again maybe I"m just getting old and no fun anymore...I just know that I had my younger sisters with me and they didn't think it was a welcoming environment, they all sort of clung to me as we made our way into the dealers hall lol.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Mordyan on May 26, 2009, 07:49:37 PM
It wasn't a "positive" experience for many people.

First off many people in the hug line weren't in costume and sometimes even went shirtless.
They were screaming at the top of the lungs for hugs. This is very intimidating behavor.
Even pushed up against the wall it caused a traffic jam because everyone who was trying to avoid them had to crowd along the one side.
Signs that solicit for money or hugs or whatever are pathetic. Sorry. This has been on ongoing problem and has been banned at most cons and I thought ours too.
Some of the "huggers" got real aggressive. This ruins it for the cools ones.
The giant line created a mob mentality which in crowded convention settings is a bad thing.

Is asking for hugs bad? No. I was asked by other random roving huggers who where polite and not trying for some pathetic attempt for attention. They got hugs from me.
Personally if you want to get groped by random strangers you should try going to the Rocky Horror Picture Show. :)


Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: kaizoku on May 26, 2009, 07:50:34 PM
If you don't want a free hug, you don't have to get it. : /

People need to lighten up.  It's the ones who are afraid of hugs that truly have trouble in social settings.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: FanFicGuru on May 26, 2009, 07:57:15 PM
If you don't want a free hug, you don't have to get it. : /

People need to lighten up.  It's the ones who are afraid of hugs that truly have trouble in social settings.

I disagree. This isn't about "lightening up" this is about common courtesy. As I said earlier, it's fine if there are a few people walking around giving out hugs, politely. More power to them...

when you have 40-50 people standing in a line screaming with no shirts on for hugs, that is not a good environment. Also, I resent the assumption that just because I don't want to be hugged by a complete stranger that makes me socially awkward, lol.

Anyways I'm going to walk away from this thread now because I have a feeling it's going to turn south very soon now...
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Rette on May 26, 2009, 07:58:18 PM
If you don't want a free hug, you don't have to get it. : /

People need to lighten up.  It's the ones who are afraid of hugs that truly have trouble in social settings.

It's not that people are afraid of getting hugs, but getting asked for a hug by a random shirtless guy who can be very intimidating, to a point where the person being solicited might be too intimidated or too shy to refuse. Especially so for minors.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: suna_no_yoroi on May 26, 2009, 08:05:43 PM
I can see where everyone is coming from.  I just happen to be from the perspective where this is an improvement over previous years.  My first time was at Fanime 2007 and literally my first 15 minutes I had screaming girls run up and glomp me.  From a safety perspective I think people against the wall with hugging optional is alot safer.  As far as shirtless people go... it is pretty bad especially if they haven't showered or anything.  Minors wise.. there were kids in the 10-12 range at some point joining the hug lines, so I guess it's all up to your own personal comfort level where hugs are concerned, I do have friends IRL that don't like them even from their own friends.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Mordyan on May 26, 2009, 08:06:39 PM
If you don't want a free hug, you don't have to get it. : /

People need to lighten up.  It's the ones who are afraid of hugs that truly have trouble in social settings.
Sorry no one has said that they are afraid of hugs. Just shirtless, shouting idiots who think they are furthering world peace by hugging.
Polite huggers are great. The guy with the t-shirt is cool. He gets everyone to sigh it afterwards.

Here is a simple test... would those same people stand around in a mall and do the same thing? Would the mall let them do it?
The answer would most likely be no to the first question and the mall would most definitely not let it happen in the first place.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: idontknow on May 26, 2009, 08:17:06 PM
If you don't want a free hug, you don't have to get it. : /

People need to lighten up.  It's the ones who are afraid of hugs that truly have trouble in social settings.

i disagree. REALLY disagree. it's not that i'm scared of hugs. for example, in high school a random girl came up to me and said "can i please have a hug? :)" she was so cute so i gave her a hug and that actually made my day. however, at fanime, there were random girls/boys that just WALKED right in front of me and practically threatened me to give them a hug.

i don't mind the people that ask for hugs. as long as they stay on the sides and give everyone a chance to at least avoid them then i'm a-ok. i mean, if you want a hug, don't force them to give you one. it's kind of like comparing between a bum that sits on the side with a hat in front of him asking for money and a bun that just JUMPS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU and says "can you PLEASE give me money!!!"

in other words, it just gets really annoying and rude
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Dagger-6 on May 26, 2009, 08:21:04 PM
I didn't have too many issues with the hug line, but when I was around they stayed against the wall.  I didn't have anyone yelling at me or blocking my pathway, as other people seemed to have issues with.

I guess the radio, earpiece, and armband help deter that.  Or maybe I'm just not huggable enough.  Or both.

There was a shirtless guy giving out hugs in the morning before the lines formed.  The first hug..okay.  Second hug, I got an handful of sweat which was kind of disgusting.   :-X
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Yukari Kaiba on May 26, 2009, 08:22:39 PM
I found the hug line to be annoying as hell everytime I walked back to the Hilton side of the convention center to get to my hotel room. My friends and I were called racist by someone in that line because we denied them hugs. Didn't appreciate people jumping in front of us out of no where asking for hugs either.

I'm totally ok with people asking for a hug if I'm cosplaying a character they like as long as they are polite about it. But asking for hugs randomly from just about anyone who's walking by makes you look desperate for attention in my opinion.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: bagfreak247 on May 26, 2009, 10:02:13 PM
Honestly, I think the "free hugs" thing was wierd at first. Then I actually met some of the people who advertised it and they were all pretty cool. Which got me to do it (not the line thing but I did hold up a sign too). I will admit that the "hug line" was pretty ridiculous. That was just going over board! I prefer the ones that held a sign next to them or attched to them as they walked around con, for I was one of them HAHAH!

My sign said:
"Free Hugs and Pics, Just ask please!"

and the other one said

"If you think FanimeCon Rocks, Hug Me! Thanx! ^-^v"

It was pretty wierd when people just jumped at me from outta nowhere, but all those that asked, were hella cool. I think that the hugs thing is pretty wierd, but if you reli look into it, it provides the atmosphere with goodness (yes, it will be intimidating to those who don't like getting hugs from strangers or even hugs at all BUT for the most part it's just reli cool of someone to hug people, SOMETIMES ITS CALLED FOR ^____~) and also a more relaxed environment. It was said before but if you didnt want a hug just AVOID THEM AND LOOK AWAY *ignores* mwahahahahahahaha and ppl are cool with that for the most part. Just like me, you could meet hella cool people.

Maybe not so much the line (is what im trying to say) but just hold up a sign as you walk or attach it urself like me and other ppl did. Its NOT BAD, unless there is a negative  otive behind the hugs. But mostly its all good!

HUGS ARE NICE!
-AJ


Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Kender on May 26, 2009, 11:39:44 PM
I had to pass the line several times and so I saw it as it went from just a couple people to a whole huge crowd of people.

Personally, I wasn't bothered.  Every time I passed, they were all polite and asked if I wanted a hug.  If I was in a hurry I generally declined and the response was always very accepting of my decision.  And when I was in a "omg, get out of my way" hurry, I never even heard them ask because I had the world tuned out and completely ignored their request (not to be rude, of course, I just had my mind else where).

I only experienced a couple people come up and give me hugs that were not initially given permission for and were a little more... enthusiastic (read: I was picked up and spun), but I knew these people from last year and they knew I didn't mind from them (anyone who was around heard them calling me "panda lady").  The other huggers even seemed to grasp this was a special, previously agreed upon permission and no one else attempted to follow their example with me.

Also, none of those who hugged me, even one of the shirtless guys, smelled like "nerd," so to speak.  All I encountered smelled like they showered.

Then again, I may not have had the headset and Rovers tag, but I did have a very visible staff badge hanging from my panda stuffy on my head.  So that might have deterred people.

I do agree they got a little loud towards the end of the weekend as their numbers grew, and it probably was not the best place for them to hang out, but my personal experience and opinion is that I found nothing overtly harmful about them when I passed.  Perhaps, for next year, have them move to a more open hall or be more spread out?


Honestly, if they do bother people I really think complaints should be submitted at con to have things broken up rather than waiting until after con to address issues.  It would be far more effective and would save those who were troubled by the hug line a lot of grief and annoyance hopefully.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Steve.Young on May 26, 2009, 11:44:57 PM
I'm going to choose my words carefully here.

1) Signs are banned if they solicit something. I.E. 2 dollar deluxe hugs, 5 dolla hugz, etc. Will Yaoi/Yuri for something.

Free hugs or something of that nature is fine (but after this con, that may or may not change)

2) During con, Rovers were told to simply keep the walkway clear as much as possible. This eventually turned into something that took a lot of time away from other duties, which potentially may affect policy for next year. We shall see.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: otakuapprentice on May 27, 2009, 12:05:43 AM
My room was in the Hilton, so for me, having to walk down "Hug Alley" every time I went from one side of the convention center to the other was somewhat annoying.....especially when it became a massive conglomerate of people shouting for hugs(with many being shirtless, thinking that would make it easier); while sometimes they stayed along the wall, eventually the huge group slowly migrated outwards to the middle of the walkway, making it even harder for everyone to walk by(and causing a traffic jam in the process).

As much as I did hate this type of mob-mentality behavior, it is a huge improvement from all the random glompings of years' past. Some type of solution/system should be implemented for next year, or at least put signs up saying they NEED/ARE REQUIRED to stay up against the wall(and don't shout like a mofo) if asking for hugs.....and to keep their damn shirts on...or just ban the hug line altogether. Whichever works.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Gwydion on May 27, 2009, 12:11:26 AM
Honestly it seems to happen every year so I totally ignored it and no one bothered me. I thought the line up of them was kinda dumb but if they want to look like desperate idiots that's their problem. I didn't look at them for more than a glance and with the general noise level of the Concourse you could barely hear anything they might have been saying anyways. And I was never accosted.

A friend of mine though kept getting hugged because he did pay them notice. So if you don't want them near you ignoring them and passing by does work.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: otakuapprentice on May 27, 2009, 12:16:42 AM
Personally, I figured either they were ditched by their friends, were just extremely bored, craved attention, or already spent all their money(which is true of that one chap selling his DSi to pay for his way back home...people need to make a budget).
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: heeroyuy135 on May 27, 2009, 12:35:22 AM
I didn't have a problem with the line itself as I gave a few hugs that evening.
I did hug those who were clothed and avoided the shirtless ones.
I do agree it's better than the glomping massacre last year.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Raydere on May 27, 2009, 01:27:33 AM
Here is a simple test... would those same people stand around in a mall and do the same thing? Would the mall let them do it?
The answer would most likely be no to the first question and the mall would most definitely not let it happen in the first place.
That's not a very good test. By that same token, since it would be ridiculous to cosplay in a mall (let alone have large gatherings of cosplayers), take pictures of people dressed interestingly, or make friends simply by unprovokingly saying hi to somebody, I shouldn't be doing that at cons either.

Comparing a mall to a con is like comparing apples to oranges. They're both very social places with lots of people walking around, but that's where the major similarities end.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: ryuyasha on May 27, 2009, 01:59:18 AM
I passed that line many times..it didnt bother me a bit. They didnt seem especially loud or obnoxious (I found the roving huggers more annoying, if you by some luck got near them in a crowded hall, they basically expected a hug ><) and I usually find the random hugging a pretty fun thing, specially since signs are banned at AX, so its something i havent done since my first ax. All in all, harmless fun, IMO
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Xeluu on May 27, 2009, 02:33:21 AM
I wasn't fond of it, but agree that is was an improvement from last year.

The first time I passed them, they were up against the wall, and while it did slow traffic, it wasn't horrible.

The next time only half were against the wall, some people were hugging others in the middle of the hall, and some were just hanging out more towards the center of the hall.

So... eh. I MUCH prefer them to unwanted glomps. I had potentially one person, but they were stopped before it would have/could have happened.

Now, costume/tail pulling is a WHOLE 'nother story this year. And one for a different thread.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Thisiskat on May 27, 2009, 02:42:14 AM
They're not annoying, I've yet to see one demanding hugs. Granted the one guy with free hugs sign seemed to be weirded out that I was hugging him... I don't think it's a crime to want a hug, nor should signs really be banned simply b/c someone wants a hug.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Aelia on May 27, 2009, 02:48:15 AM
As a Rover- one who decided who went where from 8am-4pm, I have to say, I didn't have anyone disperse them because I didn't hear at con that they were a problem.

We'd like to know what is thought about hugs and hug lines because we want to decide future policy. We did crack down on signs last year, and we have tried to cut down on unwanted glomping. Signs which ask for money or otherwise solicit will never be allowed and we have always asked them to stop as soon as we found them.

But specifically, we tried to keep this hug line under control. When Rovers spotted them they (were at least supposed to) made a point of asking them to stay near the wall and not harass. Being in a group made it easy for attention whores to be attention whores, and people who wanted hugs to get a lot at once.

If we had heard complaints at con about it- Rovers is, by the way, where you should go with that information, if it's bothering you- we would have dealt with it. Whining after the con about it isn't going to fix what has happened.

What we want to know is whether the majority of people would rather there be no signs, whether they were bothered by it, etc. as was asked in the first post.

I have to say, I'm not bothered by non-soliciting, non-sexual signs on the concourse, so long as the sign carrier realizes that "no means no" and so on.

But please, respond to the first post as well as anything else in the thread.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Mordyan on May 27, 2009, 07:35:04 AM
Here is a simple test... would those same people stand around in a mall and do the same thing? Would the mall let them do it?
The answer would most likely be no to the first question and the mall would most definitely not let it happen in the first place.
That's not a very good test. By that same token, since it would be ridiculous to cosplay in a mall (let alone have large gatherings of cosplayers), take pictures of people dressed interestingly, or make friends simply by unprovokingly saying hi to somebody, I shouldn't be doing that at cons either.

Comparing a mall to a con is like comparing apples to oranges. They're both very social places with lots of people walking around, but that's where the major similarities end.
/soap box
Sorry to break it to you but I know lots of people who have cosplayed in a mall, and had gatherings in public spaces. I have attended some events. And that's my point. I am willing to guess that almost no one at the wall would ever consider doing what they did anywhere else. Yet I know lots of cosplayers who have dressed up in normal public situations. Sorry this discussion is not the point of this whole thread.
/end soapbox

The first post asked if people found it annoying or offensive and to that I would say some did. The people at hugger's wall were at times acting like aggressive pan handlers. I saw them link arms and walk down the concourse trying to trap people, only to quickly break apart when they saw a rover. It made other people uncomfortable and diminished their enjoyment of the con. It impacted the walkways and took staff time away from other areas.

Most con's have deliberate bans on activities in major walkways to prevent issues like these. However I do think con staff did the right thing by letting people alone and trying to minimize the impact since there were no formal rules against it. They will review their policies and decide if something else needs to be done.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Stormfalcon on May 27, 2009, 08:11:46 AM
Here is a simple test... would those same people stand around in a mall and do the same thing? Would the mall let them do it?
The answer would most likely be no to the first question and the mall would most definitely not let it happen in the first place.
That's not a very good test. By that same token, since it would be ridiculous to cosplay in a mall (let alone have large gatherings of cosplayers), take pictures of people dressed interestingly, or make friends simply by unprovokingly saying hi to somebody, I shouldn't be doing that at cons either.

Comparing a mall to a con is like comparing apples to oranges. They're both very social places with lots of people walking around, but that's where the major similarities end.

Here's the difference: cosplay generally doesn't involve unwanted physical contact or expectations of unwanted physical contact.  You may look odd in the mall, but unless you're wearing a mask over your face (hiding your identity), wearing a particularly baggy costume, or carrying around prop weapons, you're not going to get into much trouble at a mall for cosplaying unless you're seen as a threat or otherwise a potential criminal.  The way the hug line behaved at times (especially as they started to move away from the wall later in the day on Monday) could be seen as harassment as they began to bother passersby for hugs, and that bothered people as seen in this thread.  There probably should've been some reporting to the rovers as things progressed, but I suspect a lot of people decided not to bother as it was the last day of the con.

Was it better than previous years?  Yeah.  Could it be better controlled still?  Yeah.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Pengin-san on May 27, 2009, 08:20:47 AM
I didn't really have a problem with it.  I'm a minor, and I wasn't "intimidated" at all, so that's not really the case.  Although, there's something eerily creepy about the children (under 12) being hugged by older men (this coming from someone who hugged Pedobear with great fervor XD!).

HOWEVER.  I did experience problems.  Last year especially!  I cosplayed as a character who is afraid of women.  Naturally, he's one of the more popular characters in the game.  I was glomped SO many times, I was getting really pissed off.  My cosplay was incredibly fragile, and these girls had no idea what it feels like to be bombarded by someone twice your size, considering I'm really short (5'0") and small.  This was near the stairs, mind you, so the floor was really hard, not to mention that one of us could have close to falling down the stairs.  I tried to be polite, but I was furious and in a lot of pain.  

My cosplay was even more fragile this year, so I was very aware of who was around me.  I didn't experience it too badly, and I occasionally had to put my hands in front of me saying "gentle gentle".  Believe it or not, it stopped the rampaging fan girls.  The hug line didn't bother me too much.  I received a few very polite hugs, and some not so much.  I was hugged by a creepy guy who wouldn't let go until I had to shove him away.  I didn't report it because I wasn't touched inappropriately, and I was the one who accepted the hug.  However, I was getting a little annoyed at constantly being asked for a hug.  I just wanted to get to the dealer's hall.  If it gets banned, I don't care.  If it gets controlled better, I would be happy.  Besides, I did all of the free hugging stuff back when I was 12, so I can't really see myself doing it now.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: chococlatte on May 27, 2009, 08:44:25 AM
I went on Sunday, and yes, there was a huge hug line on the walk to the Dealers' Hall.  I thought it was quite alright.  Most of the people were properly clothed, although one or two actually cosplayed.  A lot of the people did not just go over and glomp me or my other friends.  They simply just asked for a hug.  I'm not one to hug random strangers, so I just politely turned all of them down.  But my friend who did a wonderful cosplay of Amu (Some of you may have taken her picture because she was asked for a picture a lot) was suddenly kissed by some random guy.  Now that was definitely an over-the-line move.  A lot of the skeezy guys need respect the fact that they're only getting what they asked for: a free hug.  No kisses or glomping or anything like that.  My friend's rather attractive, so I could understand that guy's motives, but I would have punched the guy so hard if was there with my friend.  (I tend to think with my fists.  ^^;;;)

It was somewhat of an annoyance to have 20 people yelling in your ear, but as long as they didn't touch me, I was quite alright.  Big events like these aren't always so calm and gentle.  They really should ban other signs soliciting other things.  (ie money, death threats, diseases; I saw a guy who wrote free syphilis on his chest, and I don't think that was in good spirit at all)
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: chococlatte on May 27, 2009, 08:47:57 AM
HOWEVER.  I did experience problems.  Last year especially!  I cosplayed as a character who is afraid of women.  Naturally, he's one of the more popular characters in the game.  I was glomped SO many times, I was getting really pissed off.  My cosplay was incredibly fragile, and these girls had no idea what it feels like to be bombarded by someone twice your size, considering I'm really short (5'0") and small.  This was near the stairs, mind you, so the floor was really hard, not to mention that one of us could have close to falling down the stairs.  I tried to be polite, but I was furious and in a lot of pain.

That is exactly why I didn't want any hugs!  I'm a really small girl, so it's quite easy to just smother me with your sweat-soaked shirt.  I didn't cosplay, but I'm planning to do a maid cosplay and maybe a lolita dress-up if I end up going multiple days next year. 
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: DentyneIce408 on May 27, 2009, 09:05:40 AM
The most annoying was this guy late at night that would hug you regardless without permission and then yelling out group hug! It got me really angry not only he was a dude but he was sweaty and reeked, he's lucky I was in a happy mood but if I wasn't I would of twisted his arm before he even reached me.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Kandybar on May 27, 2009, 10:27:58 AM
It was Sunday afternoon that the hug line by the dealer's room started to get a little out of hand.  I didn't have issues myself, but I was in costume with props (and with the shoes I had on, I was almost 6'3"), but the friend I was with kept having people jump out in her way to demand hugs.  And they were occasionally yelling mean comments if you passed them by without hugging them.

It would be nice if you could in and out both sides of the Dealers' Room so you could avoid them if necessary.

Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: kaizoku on May 27, 2009, 10:49:13 AM
If you don't want a free hug, you don't have to get it. : /

People need to lighten up.  It's the ones who are afraid of hugs that truly have trouble in social settings.

I disagree. This isn't about "lightening up" this is about common courtesy. As I said earlier, it's fine if there are a few people walking around giving out hugs, politely. More power to them...

when you have 40-50 people standing in a line screaming with no shirts on for hugs, that is not a good environment. Also, I resent the assumption that just because I don't want to be hugged by a complete stranger that makes me socially awkward, lol.

Anyways I'm going to walk away from this thread now because I have a feeling it's going to turn south very soon now...

Like I said before, you are not required to get a hug.  I think that it falls somewhere in the line of freedom of speech.  If you're going to restrict people from giving out free hugs, you might as well stop people from being able to protest as well.  It falls within the same line, and if you don't like it then just deal with it. It's 3-4 days of your life and you'll never have to see them again.  If you want to cry more about FREE HUGS, you shouldn't be at Fanime.  Fanime in a sense a place of expression.  Everyone is there to have a good time and enjoy themselves as long as they don't do anything illegal.  Last time I checked free hugs aren't illegal.  

Last time there were a group of people that were giving out free hugs and asked me if I wanted one.  I was fine with it.  But I can see where you are coming from if they just randomly charged you and hugged you.  Now that can be borderline illegal for harassment or sexual harassment.  So as long as huggers follow the law, I don't think there should be any problem.  If you feel threatened by someone asking to give you a hug...I don't know what to say.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Saeko on May 27, 2009, 11:06:43 AM
I don't think it has anything to do with the first amendment :|
If Fanime implemented a rule saying 'No Hug Lines' then it's just a rule. Just like how you can't bring in real weapons, and how you have to wear shoes to Fanime. Does that not also violate the first amendment if we put it into those terms? Just like how people were not admitted into the black and white ball because they just came with jeans and a tshirt. What's the difference?

I'm not saying hugs should be restricted; rather, I think it would be better if maybe there was a specific location where people can go to if they wanted hugs. It would be better than having hug lines randomly in one spot where it causes issues. I don't know where you can exactly put such a thing, but I think it might work out someway or another.

Can you imagine? A small room full of yelling and screaming and people who want to hug you and do whatnot. :D Yikes. Hahah.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Kertus on May 27, 2009, 11:21:48 AM
I think the hug line itself is fine, it's just a few people in it who are overzealous that seem to affect the opinion of how good/bad the hug line was.  It's true that traffic did have to slow down a bit in that area where the hug line was (I saw it mainly on the outside wall of the dealers room) but really the only times I saw it as an issue to traffic were when it moved late night on sunday I think it was to the cross area between the con and the Hilton, or a few times when hug people would be on both sides of the walk towards the dealers entrance.

It would be really sad for there to be no hug line I think.  I believe there just needs to be some rough guidelines so it doesn't turn into such a free-for-all and kinda disorganized.  Maybe like a specifically defined distance and such or level of cleanliness.

I can understand how some would find it intimidating or annoying, hell I was by a few of them, but overall I don't think the hugline/wall should be outlawed just because of a few people.  If it's a matter of too many rovers or other people being taken away from other tasks maybe people could volunteer specifically for hugline control, or hell maybe just a set of guidelines would be enough and with people knowing them they'd police themselves.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Glitch on May 27, 2009, 11:23:05 AM
Walking by kinda felt like passing a street on the bad side of town where many "workers" are asking you if your looking for a good time. XD
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Dagger-6 on May 27, 2009, 11:32:19 AM
Fanime is a private event, so the first amendment can be limited.

That is why the "preachers" are required to do their thing out on the public sidewalk.  If they enter the convention grounds, we can have them leave.

Banning all signs is one route to go, which many conventions have done.  However, it would be nice to find some compromise so that people who want to have fun in that way can still enjoy themselves, without it being an issue to other congoers.  Hence this thread and my appreciation to everyone providing their feedback.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Liquid on May 27, 2009, 12:56:02 PM
Costume\Tail grabbing: If you get your tail or any other part of your costume innappropriately touched/grabbed/pulled, please report this to Rovers so that we can talk to the person doing this to make sure it does not continue.

Forced Hugs: Once again, report the offender to Rovers and we will approach the individual to discuss the matter.

Hug Mob: Again, report it to Rovers if it is getting out of hand so that we can get someone over there to control it.

Innappropriate Signs: Signs asking for money for services, offering services that go beyond just a hug, etc. Report these individuals to Rovers. (Are you noticing a theme here? :D)

Rovers are there to help ensure all con-goers have a great time and that bad things do not happen to good people. Any problems you have during con you should report to us. Wether it be with staff members, other con-goers, vendors, etc. We are here to help. :)


Otherwise, I have no issues with huggers. I got many hugs this weekend. I did have one scary moment where I was walking around in my black suit on my way to the dance to check up on things and I accepted a hug from some dude and got mobbed by 20 people at once, but once the initial shock of it was over I was actually laughing about it. :D

Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Ciel on May 27, 2009, 01:33:15 PM
I think it just got kind of hectic this year, and like, when walking through the hallway with he hug line I was purposely ignoring them because I didn't exactly want a hug but they just kept asking and kind of getting in my face or calling names because you either denied or ignored them. If it was more under control I think it would've been alright, but how it was this year was pretty freaking annoying. The people who walk around with signs seem fine to me though because they aren't pestering you or anything, and also if someone just comes up to you and politely asks to hug you because of your cosplay or something too then that's also fine by me as long as permission is given and they aren't too persistent about it.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Kimiko on May 27, 2009, 04:28:49 PM
Honestly, I LOVE hugs and I thought the line was hilarious the first time I walked past..

However, I had my daughters with me and they were kind of scaring them as while they didn't come UP to them and stayed in their line, they did call out to them multiple times to get them to go over and get hugs.

Instead of hugging them, I blew kisses at them from the beginning of the line to the end lol.

Overall, I don't think it got out of hand when I saw it. I prefer to have a huge line like that towards the side, than clogging up walkways, getting in the way and glomping.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: lyricaldanichan on May 27, 2009, 05:12:26 PM
My friend suggested said I should make a sign saying Free Ass Kicking after seeing all those signs. Too bad I didn't do it :P.

So yeah the Signtana Row was a bit much and should have been taken elsewhere like by the light rail station on 3rd street.



Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Liquid on May 27, 2009, 05:24:30 PM
My friend suggested said I should make a sign saying Free Ass Kicking after seeing all those signs. Too bad I didn't do it :P.

You would have been asked to remove it. :P
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Kender on May 27, 2009, 05:52:15 PM
My friend suggested said I should make a sign saying Free Ass Kicking after seeing all those signs. Too bad I didn't do it :P.

You would have been asked to remove it. :P

Not to mention gotten a good long talking to for wearing something inappropriate while being staff if your badge was visible.


Banning all signs is one route to go, which many conventions have done.  However, it would be nice to find some compromise so that people who want to have fun in that way can still enjoy themselves, without it being an issue to other congoers.  Hence this thread and my appreciation to everyone providing their feedback.

I still see signs that are not soliciting for money and not advertising something inappropriate (such as a "free ass kicking" :P) as being alright and would be very upset if ALL signs were banned.  They can be fun and, at times, are essential parts of costumes.

I was terribly annoyed at Otakon when I was there back in 2005 that signs were banned no matter what they said.  A friend had on a costume that a sign was necessary for her cosplay to make sense, but because it was a sign, she had to ditch it.  Many other cons, as you mentioned, have followed this route.

I would rather see rules put in place to regulate things like signs and the "hug line."  However, the biggest problem I've seen in the years I've gone to cons is many people wait until after a convention to voice their discontent rather than doing so at the convention when something could actually be done about it.

The rules for signs are already fine as they, if I recall correctly, already ban the inappropriate ones.

Rules could be put in place for these "hug lines" to limit where they can be formed, how people are allowed to ask (ie, not block paths of others while asking, no heckling, etc), what clothing is appropriate, how they may hug, and maybe they could even require all of those involved in one to bathe regularly ::coughs:: <3?

There are several other things that could be regulated as well for these, but those are just a few suggestions :).  My only request is PLEASE do not ban ALL signs.  Some of them are quite hilarious of the appropriate ones and I'd be awfully sad to see them go.


Maybe we need to make "If you have a problem, find a Rover!" better advertised XD?  So few people seem to remember that once con hits... Ohohoh!  Like how on the back of Staff badges we have the "when in doubt, call Con Ops!" stickers, how about something similar for attendees telling them to look for a Rover if they have a problem with another attendee(s) ;) <3?
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: kaizoku on May 27, 2009, 05:56:17 PM
Fanime is a private event, so the first amendment can be limited.

That is why the "preachers" are required to do their thing out on the public sidewalk.  If they enter the convention grounds, we can have them leave.

Banning all signs is one route to go, which many conventions have done.  However, it would be nice to find some compromise so that people who want to have fun in that way can still enjoy themselves, without it being an issue to other congoers.  Hence this thread and my appreciation to everyone providing their feedback.


It is NOT private.  Anyone that pays and registers can attend the event.  A private event would be invite only such as the Electronic Entertainment Expo.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Liquid on May 27, 2009, 06:12:27 PM
Maybe we need to make "If you have a problem, find a Rover!" better advertised XD?  So few people seem to remember that once con hits... Ohohoh!  Like how on the back of Staff badges we have the "when in doubt, call Con Ops!" stickers, how about something similar for attendees telling them to look for a Rover if they have a problem with another attendee(s) ;) <3?

I love this idea.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: chifunii on May 27, 2009, 07:03:28 PM
I think it's cool. It was NOT cool how the would come at people and yell out "FREE HUGS" "HUG ME" etc. etc.
It got uncomfortable walking through the hall.

If people just stood to the side and offered a kind smile with the sign, I'd hug them! Reaching out to spread the looove.
But it got a little aggressive after a while and just got freaking creepy.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Dagger-6 on May 27, 2009, 07:54:00 PM
It is NOT private.  Anyone that pays and registers can attend the event.  A private event would be invite only such as the Electronic Entertainment Expo.

Fanime is private in the legal sense pertaining to free speech as it rents out the convention center, and as you mentioned requires people to be registered to attend.  It does not have to be invite-only to qualify as private.

Therefore, as a private and not a public entity, Fanime is allowed to make rules for its event space that abridge freedom of speech to protect the use and enjoyment of its property space.
 
I am not a lawyer, and so please keep that in mind with anything I say here.  Those of you who are crazy enough to study law, feel free to jump in and correct me.

As for Rover visibility, we're working on ways to improve that.  I personally would prefer not to have Fanime ban all signs also.

At the very least people should be required to wear shirts if asking for free hugs though! =P
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: chifunii on May 27, 2009, 08:23:01 PM
At the very least people should be required to wear shirts if asking for free hugs though! =P

YES.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: lyricaldanichan on May 27, 2009, 10:38:01 PM
It was all in jest, Kender. Tho I am not sure what you mean by wearing something inappropriate from holding a sign?



My friend suggested said I should make a sign saying Free Ass Kicking after seeing all those signs. Too bad I didn't do it :P.

You would have been asked to remove it. :P

Not to mention gotten a good long talking to for wearing something inappropriate while being staff if your badge was visible.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Kender on May 27, 2009, 11:57:19 PM
It was all in jest, Kender. Tho I am not sure what you mean by wearing something inappropriate from holding a sign?



My friend suggested said I should make a sign saying Free Ass Kicking after seeing all those signs. Too bad I didn't do it :P.

You would have been asked to remove it. :P

Not to mention gotten a good long talking to for wearing something inappropriate while being staff if your badge was visible.

Joke or not, had it been done it would have been inappropriate.  As Liquid also noted you'd have been asked to remove it so I'm not the only pointing out if you'd followed through with the joke, there would have been a problem.  Advertising you are giving out "free ass kickings" is highly inappropriate, especially for a staff member.

Not only is the sign making use of a swear word (albeit, one of the more minor ones that could have a different meaning if you're referring to a donkey), but it is offering to give physical harm to those reading it.  Honestly, it's common sense something like that would be seriously not cool to do.

And it's just semantics.  The sign would still be on your person in some form.  And whether you're wearing it on a string around your neck, have it written on a shirt, or are simply holding a sign: it would still not have been appropriate.

Staff gets a lot of flack already, please do not even joke about exacerbating it further =/.

And, to stay on topic, signs like that would certainly only encourage the all mighty rule makers of the con to ban all signs.  I really do not want the humorous ones to be taken away as well.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Priz on May 28, 2009, 12:07:12 AM
If I wasn't busy with the Japanese Momoists (well, Momoists and Momoi-related event stuff - one of the Japanese Momoists who flew out from the Osaka area stayed at my house), and I had nothing better to do, I THOUGHT about doing the Deluxe Hugs thing right next to that line and quoting the video to see if anyone got it...  :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJfYAJJYMqg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJfYAJJYMqg) if you don't know what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Kertus on May 28, 2009, 12:11:48 AM
If I wasn't busy with the Japanese Momoists (well, Momoists and Momoi-related event stuff - one of the Japanese Momoists who flew out from the Osaka area stayed at my house), and I had nothing better to do, I THOUGHT about doing the Deluxe Hugs thing right next to that line and quoting the video to see if anyone got it...  :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJfYAJJYMqg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJfYAJJYMqg) if you don't know what I'm talking about.

Oh god I was thinking about that video too when I saw all the free hug signs, that vid is so lulzy.
Although there were the people doing some trolling of their own with the other random 'free' signs, or when some people would flip over the "Free Hug" to "jk"
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: kaizoku on May 28, 2009, 01:22:21 AM
It is NOT private.  Anyone that pays and registers can attend the event.  A private event would be invite only such as the Electronic Entertainment Expo.

Fanime is private in the legal sense pertaining to free speech as it rents out the convention center, and as you mentioned requires people to be registered to attend.  It does not have to be invite-only to qualify as private.

Therefore, as a private and not a public entity, Fanime is allowed to make rules for its event space that abridge freedom of speech to protect the use and enjoyment of its property space.
 
I am not a lawyer, and so please keep that in mind with anything I say here.  Those of you who are crazy enough to study law, feel free to jump in and correct me.

As for Rover visibility, we're working on ways to improve that.  I personally would prefer not to have Fanime ban all signs also.

At the very least people should be required to wear shirts if asking for free hugs though! =P


You obviously don't understand that it is open to the public.  I have given you an example of a private convention, and you're just basically saying its private because you pay for it. Wrong.  You pay for public transportation, does that make it your private bus? No. Anyone can ride the bus as long as they pay.

I do agree that if huggers do hug you without your consent that is indeed inappropriate, but I don't think this should be banned because of a small group of kids misrepresenting another group.  You can't say all huggers are loud, annoying, and inappropriate because not all of them are.  That's just discrimination. It's a fucking hug, not a dick in your ass.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: FanFicGuru on May 28, 2009, 01:54:52 AM
It is NOT private.  Anyone that pays and registers can attend the event.  A private event would be invite only such as the Electronic Entertainment Expo.

Fanime is private in the legal sense pertaining to free speech as it rents out the convention center, and as you mentioned requires people to be registered to attend.  It does not have to be invite-only to qualify as private.

Therefore, as a private and not a public entity, Fanime is allowed to make rules for its event space that abridge freedom of speech to protect the use and enjoyment of its property space.
 
I am not a lawyer, and so please keep that in mind with anything I say here.  Those of you who are crazy enough to study law, feel free to jump in and correct me.

As for Rover visibility, we're working on ways to improve that.  I personally would prefer not to have Fanime ban all signs also.

At the very least people should be required to wear shirts if asking for free hugs though! =P


You obviously don't understand that it is open to the public.  I have given you an example of a private convention, and you're just basically saying its private because you pay for it. Wrong.  You pay for public transportation, does that make it your private bus? No. Anyone can ride the bus as long as they pay.

I do agree that if huggers do hug you without your consent that is indeed inappropriate, but I don't think this should be banned because of a small group of kids misrepresenting another group.  You can't say all huggers are loud, annoying, and inappropriate because not all of them are.  That's just discrimination. It's a fucking hug, not a dick in your ass.

Unwanted physical contact is unwanted physical contact. And it's pretty obvious at this point that it isn't a select group of people that were made uncomfortable by the hug line, since a lot of people had things to say about it.

An unwanted hug, even though it's just a hug, is grounds for a sexual harassment case in a workplace, school or other professional environments. Saying that people need to lighten up because we're not being anally raped is totally missing the point that many people here are trying to make: regardless of your intentions, if you make physical contact with someone who is unwilling it is considered assault. Hug or dick in the ass, it's unwanted.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: heeroyuy135 on May 28, 2009, 02:12:11 AM
Maybe we need to make "If you have a problem, find a Rover!" better advertised XD?  So few people seem to remember that once con hits... Ohohoh!  Like how on the back of Staff badges we have the "when in doubt, call Con Ops!" stickers, how about something similar for attendees telling them to look for a Rover if they have a problem with another attendee(s) ;) <3?
I love this idea.
2nd
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: xichisex on May 28, 2009, 02:56:54 AM
On Monday there was a line down by the Dealers Hall and I have to say that even though I like hugs, I avoided a few. [Some from some pretty unattractive hug givers]. However, I did hug this long line of really cute guys and two of them were shirtless! xD They weren't begging for hugs, but dammit to me - in my mind - they were screaming "HUG ME"! So my friend and I did. o_o And we went back and did it again. And then a third time. xD They were just so smexy. I say the 'FREE HUGS' signs are okay as long as you are cute enough to get one. Seriously. Some pretty ugly people had those and they smelt and looked pretty bad. =/ Ew. Also no 'AND/OR KISSES' signs. JUST NO!!
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Steven McIntosh on May 28, 2009, 06:55:01 AM
You obviously don't understand that it is open to the public.  I have given you an example of a private convention, and you're just basically saying its private because you pay for it. Wrong.  You pay for public transportation, does that make it your private bus? No. Anyone can ride the bus as long as they pay.
Yet the Jesus protesters weren't allowed to get any closer to the convention than the sidewalk, let alone even get in the registration line to pay, thus making Fanime a private event.

I say if people want to hold up "hug me" signs, they can do so on the free sidewalk with the protesters. Two problems solved.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Stormfalcon on May 28, 2009, 08:36:50 AM
You obviously don't understand that it is open to the public.  I have given you an example of a private convention, and you're just basically saying its private because you pay for it. Wrong.  You pay for public transportation, does that make it your private bus? No. Anyone can ride the bus as long as they pay.
Yet the Jesus protesters weren't allowed to get any closer to the convention than the sidewalk, let alone even get in the registration line to pay, thus making Fanime a private event.

I say if people want to hold up "hug me" signs, they can do so on the free sidewalk with the protesters. Two problems solved.

Hmmmm...I like that idea.  The protesters and the free-huggers annoying each other while the rest of the con mocks them both at once.  Nice.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Dagger-6 on May 28, 2009, 08:55:16 AM
On Monday there was a line down by the Dealers Hall and I have to say that even though I like hugs, I avoided a few. [Some from some pretty unattractive hug givers]. However, I did hug this long line of really cute guys and two of them were shirtless! xD They weren't begging for hugs, but dammit to me - in my mind - they were screaming "HUG ME"! So my friend and I did. o_o And we went back and did it again. And then a third time. xD They were just so smexy. I say the 'FREE HUGS' signs are okay as long as you are cute enough to get one. Seriously. Some pretty ugly people had those and they smelt and looked pretty bad. =/ Ew. Also no 'AND/OR KISSES' signs. JUST NO!!

I know you're joking, but noooo...can't discriminate based on physical appearance. ^^;;;  Definite no-no there.

As for whether Fanime is a private/public event space, I'm just going to leave that up to people versed in legal matters.

What I do know for sure is we can (and do) ban people, prevent them from attending, remove them from the convention center grounds, and set limitations on their behavior as needed to promote a better experience for attendees.

So, if needed we may put limitations on signs or behavior while holding signs.  Or, as the NRA is so fond of saying, we may have to better enforce the rules we do have.

Again, personally I would like to find a way for them to have fun while not detracting from the experience of other convention attendees.  Thank you for the feedback, and please continue to pitch ideas!

Though I doubt we'll be evicting them to the sidewalk next to our friend neighborhood preachers.  That's just mean.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: idontknow on May 28, 2009, 09:18:10 AM
On Monday there was a line down by the Dealers Hall and I have to say that even though I like hugs, I avoided a few. [Some from some pretty unattractive hug givers]. However, I did hug this long line of really cute guys and two of them were shirtless! xD They weren't begging for hugs, but dammit to me - in my mind - they were screaming "HUG ME"! So my friend and I did. o_o And we went back and did it again. And then a third time. xD They were just so smexy. I say the 'FREE HUGS' signs are okay as long as you are cute enough to get one. Seriously. Some pretty ugly people had those and they smelt and looked pretty bad. =/ Ew. Also no 'AND/OR KISSES' signs. JUST NO!!

that's disgusting for you or anyone to say something like that. so what? ugly people aren't good enough to get hugs?

however i'd have to side with you for the "and/or kisses" part. that is a big and definite no

hug lines are okay, as long as it ddoesn't get out of control.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Mordyan on May 28, 2009, 09:19:00 AM
You obviously don't understand that it is open to the public.  I have given you an example of a private convention, and you're just basically saying its private because you pay for it. Wrong.  You pay for public transportation, does that make it your private bus? No. Anyone can ride the bus as long as they pay.
Let me try one more time. Just because anyone can pay to attend Fanime does not make it "open to the public" or a "public" place, protected by freedom of speech laws. Your example, of the other convention, where it is by invitation only, applies to Fanime as well. Fanime "invites" anyone who can pay a membership fee to be a part of the convention. Thus it is still exclusive. People who can't pay are not members. You may be confused by the fact that Fanime publicly advertises membership and also allows non-members to walk around the concourse. However it still retains the right to remove anyone for violating Fanime policies, even if they didn't pay.

That's right, they can kick you out for a weapons violation even if you did not pay. San Jose's own weapon policies are different from what Fanime has set forth. Fanime is allowed to enforced those policies because it is a private event. This is because the entire facility is a private place owned by SJCC. Fanime pays for the privilege to use the location, and then we members pay for the privilege to attend the con. I suspect that if Fanime wanted to, they could block the concourse from access by non-members as well. Your bus example doesn't work either. Even if you do pay, the driver can kick you off.

Now a sidewalk is a public space. Public parks as well. In fact in California the Pruneyard case ruling allowed that residents may peacefully exercise their right to free speech in parts of private shopping centers regularly held open to the public.

Whew... that was a lot. The funny thing is I doubt whether hug lines are protected free speech anyways. heh

What was the point of this topic again? Oh yeah to discuss whether the hug line bothered people. Carry on!


Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Saeko on May 28, 2009, 09:36:28 AM
Public or private; either way, rules will have to be implemented or else this whole thing would be so much more unorganized.

I think it's safe to have signs... I mean I saw some people that had signs that said 'You lost the game' and that's pretty much harmless, I suppose. (btw, you lost the game :D Hahaha.) Plus, I think if we ban all signs wouldn't people just start yelling that they're giving free hugs? Basically, I think people are just going to do the same thing, but without signs? :/

Like other people have said, people just have to make sure that the hug lines stay within their vicinity and not go astray and randomly touch people without permission; just like how you're not suppose to take pictures of people without asking them first. It's common courtesy.

Someone can make giant 'hug rules' posters and stick them around the walls where there are commonly hug lines. xD
1. Don't hug without permission
2. Don't yell at people who don't hug you/Don't intimidate; people will choose to hug you, not the other way around.
3. Don't block paths

That's pretty much the major concerns, right?
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: idontknow on May 28, 2009, 09:41:28 AM
Public or private; either way, rules will have to be implemented or else this whole thing would be so much more unorganized.

I think it's safe to have signs... I mean I saw some people that had signs that said 'You lost the game' and that's pretty much harmless, I suppose. (btw, you lost the game :D Hahaha.) Plus, I think if we ban all signs wouldn't people just start yelling that they're giving free hugs? Basically, I think people are just going to do the same thing, but without signs? :/


yeah i agree; i'd rather have signs than people yelling at me.

Quote

Someone can make giant 'hug rules' posters and stick them around the walls where there are commonly hug lines. xD
1. Don't hug without permission
2. Don't yell at people who don't hug you/Don't intimidate; people will choose to hug you, not the other way around.
3. Don't block paths



you can't post stuff on the walls. and yeah. what you says pretty much sums it up :)
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Kertus on May 28, 2009, 09:48:38 AM

Someone can make giant 'hug rules' posters and stick them around the walls where there are commonly hug lines. xD
1. Don't hug without permission
2. Don't yell at people who don't hug you/Don't intimidate; people will choose to hug you, not the other way around.
3. Don't block paths

That's pretty much the major concerns, right?


QFT  Best and most simple plan I think see so far
In the end the hug lines or Free Hugs shouldn't be eliminated just because some people don't like it, it should just be regulated so that all the problems are dealt with.  It's just like most other issues irl, first put down a set of loose regulations and if those need to be further refined it can be done, could be done even during the con.
Ha also what's with the hate on the Free Kisses along with hugs, I didn't see too many people act on it even when people had it on their signs and even then it was just cheek.  It's the people choice what they were offering, just because it makes you uncomfortable or you might think it's gross doesn't mean it's a 'bad' thing and need to be stopped (sorta reminds me how people are about gay marriage).  All we need are those loose regulations so that the hallway is clear enough and people don't feel intimidated, that should be enough I think.

The sign could be posted on an easel or something across from the hug wall like other signs are at Fanime, then the hug wall people would constantly see it as well.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Tony on May 28, 2009, 10:35:02 AM
You obviously don't understand that it is open to the public.  I have given you an example of a private convention, and you're just basically saying its private because you pay for it. Wrong.  You pay for public transportation, does that make it your private bus? No. Anyone can ride the bus as long as they pay.
Your analogy isn't quite accurate. In this case, it's not a member of the public paying to get on the bus; it's that an entity is renting the entire bus, and so it can do whatever it wants with it.

In this case, FanimeCon rents the entire SJCC and can pretty much accept or eject people from it as we like. But we use that right very sparingly, and 99% of the time it's because someone did something criminal.

Also note that it can be argued that aggressively soliciting hugs, or worse - hugging without permission - is either sexual harassment or sexual assault.

Lastly, it's against forum rules to swear.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: ewu on May 28, 2009, 12:16:12 PM
Lastly, it's against forum rules to swear.

insert: fist shaking
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Dagger-6 on May 28, 2009, 12:35:40 PM
*Hands Ewu a "Free Fist Shakings" sign*
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: ichigocorcor on May 28, 2009, 01:00:34 PM
How did you feel about it?  And people with signs in particular?
I thought they were cute! I love hugs and for me, it really added to the environment and "we're all friends at Fanime" atmosphere.

Are they harmless fun?
They didn't do anything more to me than put their arms around me, so yeah, it was totally harmless. I don't know what anyone's talking about with screaming and yelling, I passed the hug line multiple times throughout all four days at con and I don't remember any yelling.

Are they annoying and kind of creepy?
Some of the signs were weird; I avoided those signs. A dude was holding a "Hug Me, I'm Ecchi" sign, and that was a little creepy, so I just didn't hug him. Most of them were cute little girls and crossplayers and that was totally fine.

Are they fine, as long as we better kept people in check so that they didn't heckle or run up and jump on people?
Rovers did an AWESOME job with crowd and creep control this year. And no one ran and jumped on people to my knowledge.

Are people holding signs just bad to begin with?
No way~!
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Liquid on May 28, 2009, 05:07:35 PM
There was one dude with a sign that said "Free lame excuses."

We went up to him and asked for a lame excuse....and he said "Sorry, I left my list of lame excuses in E-gaming =\"

I promptly called him lame and continued walking. :D
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: ewu on May 28, 2009, 05:41:40 PM
ROTF:)
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: FanFicGuru on May 28, 2009, 08:27:49 PM
There was one dude with a sign that said "Free lame excuses."

We went up to him and asked for a lame excuse....and he said "Sorry, I left my list of lame excuses in E-gaming =\"

I promptly called him lame and continued walking. :D

If I see that guy I will make sure he knows how lame he is.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: tsumi.no.tsubasa on May 28, 2009, 09:37:25 PM
Ha! I read another blogger dub the "hug line" as the "Hall of Desperation" which I agree with wholeheartedly. I couldn't help but wonder about these kids who were so desperate for physical contact that they'd crowd a hallway asking sweaty smelly people to hug their sweaty smell self. If I wanted to be accosted like this I could go to downtown SF and let the bums panhandle at me for money. It certainly felt similar.

I was also with my friend who has a disabling spine injury, and she was absolutely terrified to go through the hall. With the way they were flying around and leaping onto other people, she was always afraid someone was going to jump on her and re-injure her. To make it worse, we HAD to go through it to get to our hotel because she can't walk long enough to go around. And THAT made it a HUGE problem.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Nina Star 9 on May 28, 2009, 09:39:53 PM
I prefer my personal space and ability to walk to the other end of the CC without being harassed and having to spend quite a bit longer than I should trying to force my way through a crowd of people who want to touch me in ways I would not like to be touched by strangers.

I hope something is done next year. I have been going to this con for many years now, and while there are always been the "free hugs" people around, this year was probably the worst I have seen (or can remember, at least).
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Piichuu on May 28, 2009, 09:51:50 PM
I don't really mind the hug lines, of course, I don't get involved in them myself.
There was a shirtless guy doing is Sunday or Monday though... that was kind of creepy.
Also this other guy... I won't even bother to say what but it was really creepy.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Steve.Young on May 29, 2009, 01:01:07 AM
You obviously don't understand that it is open to the public.  I have given you an example of a private convention, and you're just basically saying its private because you pay for it. Wrong.  You pay for public transportation, does that make it your private bus? No. Anyone can ride the bus as long as they pay.
Your analogy isn't quite accurate. In this case, it's not a member of the public paying to get on the bus; it's that an entity is renting the entire bus, and so it can do whatever it wants with it.

In this case, FanimeCon rents the entire SJCC and can pretty much accept or eject people from it as we like. But we use that right very sparingly, and 99% of the time it's because someone did something criminal.

Also note that it can be argued that aggressively soliciting hugs, or worse - hugging without permission - is either sexual harassment or sexual assault.

Lastly, it's against forum rules to swear.

Quoted for Emphasis.

Please remember to follow the forum rules, thanks.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: mDuo13 on May 29, 2009, 11:43:21 AM
I was mildly pleased to see that there were almost no dumb signs on Friday, and somewhat miffed when by Saturday the "Free Hugs" phenomenon was back with a vengeance. It doesn't intimidate me or anything, but it's kind of embarrassing that by going to the con I am associated with these people.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: jAded on May 29, 2009, 11:37:31 PM
I prefer my personal space and ability to walk to the other end of the CC without being harassed and having to spend quite a bit longer than I should trying to force my way through a crowd of people who want to touch me in ways I would not like to be touched by strangers.

I hope something is done next year. I have been going to this con for many years now, and while there are always been the "free hugs" people around, this year was probably the worst I have seen (or can remember, at least).

Agreed. I, too, liked my personal space. Bad touch anyone? D:

In response to an earlier posts about people not wanting random strangers to touch/hug them making them socially impaired, that's kind of insulting. I'm not a fan of hugs from strangers, and I don't have anything against those that do, but when it comes to the point where hug solicitors are getting aggressive and rude about you ignoring or denying them, that crosses a line. It made me really uncomfortable that I had walk through this corridor of people on both sides asking for hugs just to get into the dealers room. (That's why I'm also a fan of having more than one entrance into the dealer's room 8D )

As for searching for rovers, I couldn't spot them easily. Maybe I'm blind and that was just me, but if I had seen one or two, I would have said something. There was a guy asking for hugs with a signed shirt full of signatures. When I declined and he almost came behind my art table to hug me without my consent (that's crossing the line when I'm getting intimidated because I had declined). I had to cross my arms and say, I do not want to touch you.

About signs and people with signs:
Are they harmless fun? Yes and no

Are they annoying and kind of creepy? not necessarily the signs that make it creepy, its' how people handle/use signage

Are they fine, as long as we better kept people in check so that they didn't heckle or run up and jump on people? sure, i'm not against signs

Are people holding signs just bad to begin with? no. if people are respectful, it shouldn't really be a problem.


Again, if I could have avoided the hug aisle, I would have, and would have no beef with it. But I had to walk through it in order to get into the dealer's room, and that's where the problem came in. Give people who solicit hugs someplace to do their thing, I just don't think the hallway into the dealer's room was the best place to have it. If you enjoy and want your hugs, feel free. But as far as where I stand on hugs from people I don't want: Unwanted touching = sexual harrassament.


As to the post that whining after the con isn't going to change anything, the thread asked for people to list their opinions/experiences. I don't see how responding to that is considered whining.

EDIT:
Aside from that minor unpleasantness, Fanime was a blast. (:
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: asscrack on May 30, 2009, 04:05:20 PM
I do agree that if huggers do hug you without your consent that is indeed inappropriate, but I don't think this should be banned because of a small group of kids misrepresenting another group.  You can't say all huggers are loud, annoying, and inappropriate because not all of them are.  That's just discrimination. It's a fucking hug, not a dick in your ass.

This is not discrimination.

As ridiculous as this may sound to others, hugs ARE considered sexual harassment whether it's consensual or not. Go ahead. Ask the HR office at ANY professional business when you get your @ss hired. They'll make you sit in front of a TV watching a video that explains what is considered harassment in a working environment and make new employees sign off as part of their training & introduction.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15463

Are we going overboard? Maybe. But it really depends on the person who wants the hug and if they can behave "appropriately". Personally, if some random stranger gave me a hug, that gives me reason to knock the f*ck out of them to the other side of the convention center since they touched me *first* - it's called self-defense.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: BrightHeart76 on May 30, 2009, 10:30:06 PM
The hug line was pathetic.  There, I said it.  It was pathetic.

Serioiusly, you're in the middle of what is basically an anime wonderland and you're holding up a sign asking people for hugs.  What is wrong with you?  Good use of the money you spent on that membership.  ::)

And if the chick who had her 6 year old daughter/sister/cousin/whatever go up to strangers and ask them to hug you to save Domo reads this...Shame on you.  Using a kid to try and get hugs makes you even MORE pathetic and is a really bad example for the kid. 
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Dagger-6 on May 30, 2009, 11:27:46 PM
I understand that many people were displeased over the prevalence of people with "free hug" signs, but please try to avoid insulting and passing judgment on the people in the line and focus instead on the situation itself.

Remember we want to create a welcome and opening environment for all members on this forum and keep that in mind when choosing your words.

And also please remember the rules about no swearing.  Putting in symbols in place of letters is not an acceptable substitute.  You can get your point across without any sort of crude language at all.

Thank you again for all the feedback you are all providing.  It is very much appreciated.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: kakashifangurl1 on May 30, 2009, 11:30:04 PM
the hug line -sighs shakes head- i ran through that mess
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Ten on May 31, 2009, 12:20:14 AM
Hugging: Ok
Crowding Halls: Not ok

Huggers alley should have a designated area, say outside or in a wider hall.
I had to swim through bodies as it is to get around -_-;
I did hug some lovely people, and it is nice to give affection/sympathy/frienship to people who may truly need/want/etc it.
I like how fanime is so open and friendly, I do not like waiting 20 minutes to get down the hall with the traffic flow being blocked by said sign holders.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Kupo on May 31, 2009, 02:18:23 AM
Admittingly, I was one of the people who were offering Free Hugs. I first stood near Artist Alley/E-Gaming with friends (they were waiting for someone), then a few hours later, took a break from shopping and decided to join the hug line near the Dealer's Room. Just wanted to try it and get some love.

Although I wasn't those people who kept yelling for hugs (I just stood there.), Sorry If I annoyed, angered anyone in any way.

It was my first Fanime. Go easy on me.  :(
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: idontknow on May 31, 2009, 04:35:58 AM
Admittingly, I was one of the people who were offering Free Hugs. I first stood near Artist Alley/E-Gaming with friends (they were waiting for someone), then a few hours later, took a break from shopping and decided to join the hug line near the Dealer's Room. Just wanted to try it and get some love.

Although I wasn't those people who kept yelling for hugs (I just stood there.), Sorry If I annoyed, angered anyone in any way.

It was my first Fanime. Go easy on me.  :(

don't worry; if you were just standing there it wasn't a problem for me :)
according to most of what the people said, they're just annoyed of the rude ones that yelled and blocked the walkway
:D
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: GokuMew2 on May 31, 2009, 10:41:13 AM
I was not a fan of the hug line either.
They didn't bother me because I walked away from them, but them just being there is... yeah...

If they want hugs so badly, why don't they start hugging each other? :P
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Knightfire on May 31, 2009, 11:30:46 AM
I have no problems with the hug thing when it's just one or two people doing it, when it's an entire wall of people then it's a problem. Sometimes I would not mind a hug, sometimes I'm not feeling to well, so a hug is not only not want wanted, I wouldn't want anyone else to fall ill. I also noticed that some people wouldn't give out free hugs to others, which is false advertising.

At least I didn't see much of those damn paddles this year.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Liquid on June 01, 2009, 03:17:56 PM
Putting in symbols in place of letters is not an acceptable substitute.

Bah....now I have some editting to do.

EDIT: Nevermind, that topic is locked. Oh well. :D
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: KitsuneOniko on June 02, 2009, 03:37:57 PM
Some fellow staffers suggested I also post pretty much what I posted in the Convention feedback thread here so here ya go:

...
Another thing I have to agree with all of you is the signage soliciting and the hug me/glomp me lines and ppl... We want everyone to have a good fun time @ con but remember ppl that safety, consideration/respect is always a must despite! While most of the staff usually don't mind the every so often friendly joking signs, remember that the city of San Jose does...and depending on what the signage says, can be considered soliciting.

A lot of us staff were talking about signs over the years that @ first seemed harmless but did amount to a few union rules and safety issues being brought up... the "What would you do for Pocky?" signs were silly fun... until we had catgirls and catboys suddenly suggestively dancing ON TOP of con tables and equipment... I have to bring up this matter because the space and equipment we use @ con actually belongs to the convention hall management ppl... NOT US... so we are liable for any damage and accidents that may occur due to such incidents... so for your safety please if you must "dance" for Pocky, preferably on solid safe ground? lol Please respect their convention hall space and equipment... They are nice enough to let us use and rent it every year so we can have our wonderful convention ^^ That also being mentioned... please NEVER tape or use stickers for your signs up on any of the column posts and/or walls of the convention space because like I just said... that's the convention hall's property... as we say in the staff meetings... If it ain't your's and especially if it's not union approved... don't put tape or stick anything on it please!

Also on the topic of hugging and glomping... it's all good natured fun for most but remember to be RESPECTFUL about it too! Just because someone or a group of people also REFUSE to hug/glomp back doesn't mean you should be rude and insult them back... This con is meant to be a fun and comfortable environment for all who attend it. Tackle glomps were also a safety issue on many occassions... Need a remind some fellow con goers and fellow staffers of a few small incidents we've had throughout past years? Was talking with some of my friends who are also staff and we were reminded that one year a random otaku tackle glomped a Yuna cosplayer out of no where (no, they didn't know each other) which caught her off balance and her staff prop hit another group of people & cosplayers who just happen to be walking past at that same moment? A lot of our extremely dedicated cosplayers often carry heavy props and put A LOT of hard work into their costumes to proudly show off and share with us all every year and I am sure would be very upset if it were to get ruined in one blow by an infamous flying tackle glomp... Not just cosplayers but regular attendees also get bothered by inappropriate glompage... Now I know A LOT of people want to say that they got to hug/glomp a bunch of cute girls and guys during con but remember to be considerate of the "receiving" person and/or party... I get several complaints and concerns from many of my younger new staffers and friends that attend these cons (especially if it's their first time @ a con) that they feel uneasy about these kinds of things (especially because they're new to this high "hug/glomp" environment guys!). In fact... my friend Steph, whose 1st Fanime Con was this one was just walking around and trying to find me as she borrowed my sunglasses earlier that day, wanted to return them to me and right before she found me @ my stage, out of no where a "creepy fat" otaku came flying out and pretty much tackle glomped her from behind or the side from what I was told... Now she is a very cute asian girl and I know a lot of guys want to hug cute asian girls @ this con but please be mindful of how these things can be taken! Not only was she made uncomfortable but also my E3 sunglasses were broken/crushed in his "embrace"... NOT COOL... While she was a little more lenient and let this one slide... other people @ our con don't let things like that go as easily... in fact during another incident I had to step in because it involved some of my younger minor new staff we had to eventually call in the San Jose PD to ban this guy off the con site because he had made my staffers very uncomfortable to the point that the girls were nervous and near scared to tears. I know many glompers/huggers are quite persistent to get their glomp hugs but YOU DO NOT pursue the "target" if they are obviously not feeling comfortable.... This guy FOLLOWED my girls all the way to their hotel room and floor! He kept trying to talk to them and engage them in conversation when they obviously were busy and trying to walk away... what's more he then reached out to grab and held one of the girls, hugging/glomping her and wouldn't let go of her even after her repeated "please let me go"... Turns out later also he didn't even have a badge at all of any sorts, was telling ppl he was "press" when he wasn't and taking random shots of people throughout con (which he tried to show the girls too)... I am going to stress this:

INAPPROPRIATE AND UNWANTED TOUCHING OF ANY KIND (INCLUDING GLOMPS AND HUGS) CAN BE CLASSIFIED AS SEXUAL HARASSMENT

I am not saying there is anything wrong with glomping and hugging... Heck, even us friends and staff like the occassional glomp n hug ^_^ BUT please be respectful and considerate... as much as possible, especially if you don't know the other person or persons, please ASK if it's alright with them ok? We want everyone to enjoy their time @ Fanime Con so in order for that we need to look out for each other and everyone around us too. Remember that Fanime is "By Fans, For Fans"... We can have our fun but be safe and mindful and remember that not everyone will respond to certain things the same way... you wouldn't want your con time ruined and cut short because someone made you feel violated or because you were accused of sexual harassment by another attendee(s) despite your good intention and good natured joking...
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Mr. Wendell on June 03, 2009, 12:44:08 AM
I'm indifferent towards the hug line.

However, if Fanime attendees made a Soul Train line, count me in!!!
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Kazuko on June 03, 2009, 01:08:38 AM
Soul Train \o/

In my opinion the hug line was more of a roadblock with a touch of creepy/annoyance. Going from Maid Cafe to Stage zero on Saturday to do fanimaid*live was like walking through a mall during a day after thanksgiving sale.

The late nights are what get really scary. There aren't much people but it was a little scary I was literally GRABBED by the wrist and forced a hug since I said no the first time. Thankfully a rover came over before it got any more creepy ;^;

Its all about consent, If someone says "No" then respect that wish and don't pester them after that. If someone from out of the blue runs up and hugs/glomps you its considered harassment since both parties did not come to mutual agreement and the person who did the action can get into serious trouble like a lawsuit. No one wants one of those on their hands
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: BSaphire on June 03, 2009, 11:29:07 AM
Maybe we need to make "If you have a problem, find a Rover!" better advertised XD? 
Now there is a sign I would like to see on parade around con :P

Some fellow staffers suggested I also post pretty much what I posted in the Convention feedback thread here so here ya go:
... Another thing I have to agree with all of you is the signage soliciting and the hug me/glomp me lines and ppl... We want everyone to have a good fun time @ con but remember ppl that safety, consideration/respect is always a must despite! While most of the staff usually don't mind the every so often friendly joking signs, remember that the city of San Jose does...and depending on what the signage says, can be considered soliciting.....  .... Remember that Fanime is "By Fans, For Fans"... We can have our fun but be safe and mindful and remember that not everyone will respond to certain things the same way... you wouldn't want your con time ruined and cut short because someone made you feel violated or because you were accused of sexual harassment by another attendee(s) despite your good intention and good natured joking...
Many good points here KisuneOniko ^^)  ... go to the post to read all of it :)

The following is only my point of view on the matters discussed in this thread. My point of view comes from many areas (Mother & grandmother, staff & attendee, photographer & journalist, cosplayer & costumer. I am a Criminal Justice Major with a minor in business and currently hold Associate in Science in Law Enforcement & Legal Office) Just so that everyone is clear as to where my points of view are coming from.

Fanime provides a service in the entertainment industry. Are we not entertained for the weekend ^^) To do so they must "Rent" space to have the event (as a whole) so they contract with an event space provider. With that agreement there are rules, guidelines, and regulations on what is and is not allowed with in the space provided that Fanime (or any event) must follow in order to have that event there. Summary: Convention Center Rules/Guidelines/Regulations

So that Fanime can have a fun filled entertaining weekend they also provide rules, guidelines, and regulations for all attending the event to be safe and enjoy the time that they are there. These are listed in the Program guide that each person is given at Registration when they "Purchase" their membership for the time they will be there. (Fanime 09 Program Guide pg. 16 & 17... Code of Conduct & Weapons Policy)

To help assist in any problems that do develop they have a department called "Rovers." These people are there to do MANY Jobs for the whole weekend & Like CON Ops they are never appreciated enough for all that they do.

Fanime Con Program Guide ~ Page 16, second column third bullet:
"Please do not harass others. Please do not threaten, bully, stalk, or mob people. Please respect other people's private space."
Summary: Fanime Con Rules/Guidelines/Regulations

Now every business must function within the Rules/Regulations/Guidelines of the United States of America, and for Fanime (or any other convention in the San Jose area) the State of California, the City of San Jose, and the county also have Rules/Guidelines/Regulations to adhere to.
Summary: MORE Rules/Guidelines/Regulations

Are you starting to see a theme here? So each person who bought their "Membership" was given the knowledge on how to conduct themselves and how others should conduct themselves. If it became a problem then you contact "Rovers" so that they can make sure a fun time is to be had by all. BFFF :P Goooo ROVERS!

Signage and the use there of in this case is allowed by Fanime and like a "drivers license" it is a privilege. Though we are granted "Freedom of Speech" in the US Constitution, I don't think most of you are aware of the "LIMITATIONS" that even that Freedom has on it today. (Sexual Harassment, Verbal Domestic Violence, and new laws are being created to cover the use and wordage on the internet that all are Limitations of the broad topic of Freedom of Speech)

Reasonable signage has been accepted by Fanime in years pass, but if it is severely abused then I could see them putting direct limitations on it. I personally don't want to see this happen because I have found in the past five years some REALLY Great signs and some creative ways to get attention. I have photos somewhere :P In order to prevent this from happening we must govern ourselves and act appropriately to each other. If in doubt, talk about it to the person and if they don't listen or you don't feel safe in doing so... Call ROVERS :P

So as a whole I felt it was creepy to see a group that big with signs and some were a tad aggressive. I just walked down the center of the concourse to avoid "having" to hug any. When I got past them I felt sad and not because I didn't hug any of them. I do like to give hugs and I give hundreds over the weekend at Fanime, but it was so "IN my face" that it made me standoffish and go against what I do... Squidges (my term for hugs and found in the movie Hook with Robin Williams & Dustin Hoffman) So due to my flaw at seeing so many I apologize for NOT hugging any of you, but I would appreciate a much better approach so that I feel the desire to "give you a hug."

This is only my opinion

for those I didn't get to Squidge over the weekend... SQUIDGES ^^)
Love to all
BSaphire

Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: KitsuneOniko on June 03, 2009, 02:58:17 PM
I'm indifferent towards the hug line.

However, if Fanime attendees made a Soul Train line, count me in!!!

lol you know we'd even bring that up on our stage Kuya! XD
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: KitsuneOniko on June 03, 2009, 03:01:59 PM
Thanks for even more elaboration and insight of several points there B~! :D And btw it was awesome to always see you again this year and every year! ;D
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Rhornez on June 04, 2009, 08:35:34 PM
ya all the hugs i got people asked and i approved of with a steady silent as i was cosplayed as Near  :P and also mello from death note also hugged me even thought were rivals hehe
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: deonchan on June 17, 2009, 05:41:10 PM
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Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: DentyneIce408 on June 17, 2009, 08:08:53 PM
^Thats a good one LOL. I'd freak out too, if I get hug by someone like that. By the way got anymore?
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Rhornez on June 18, 2009, 10:25:52 PM
o.o
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: BunofGovt on June 20, 2009, 12:10:33 AM
Okay, so before the hug line, I did give and get a few hugs.  Once the hug line became the hugeness that it was, I did not give any more hugs.  But not because of the signs and peeps, etc.  No, it was because while I was walking around, a young lass held out her arms for a hug so I hugged her.  She immediately gave a thrust with her 'hip' and said, 'bang, you're pregnant, now pass it on.'  I laughed it off, but afterwards realized that it really bothered me that she would prank like that.  So I decided to be more cautious against getting pranked and decided no more hugs unless it was someone I knew.  Creepiness and invading my space I can deal with or ignore, but smart-assiness really bugs me.   >:(
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: anime4me on June 20, 2009, 11:24:55 AM
The hug lines seemed very annoying to me.  There were too many people in too small of a space.  If they want free hugs, maybe they could do it outside or something.  It also seemed desperate.  A few hugs is one thing, but I, for one, do not like huge mobs of people, however orderly and lined up they are, and feel entirely overwhelmed.  Mostly though, I think my boyfriend and I just laughed at a lot of them and spent a good hour psychoanalyzing the reasons.  So, my point is, hugs are fine, but not when it becomes crowded and creepy.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: JTchinoy on June 21, 2009, 02:38:58 AM
This thread makes me laugh and frown at the same time.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: rude32 on June 21, 2009, 03:15:12 AM
This thread makes me laugh and frown at the same time.
It makes me cringe
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Liquid on June 22, 2009, 03:40:12 PM
a young lass held out her arms for a hug so I hugged her.  She immediately gave a thrust with her 'hip' and said, 'bang, you're pregnant, now pass it on.'

Wow, that is HILARIOUS! Completely wrong and against the rules....but HILARIOUS! :D
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: OGIGA on July 10, 2009, 07:30:40 PM
Oh dear, where was my mind? I didn't even notice the hug line. Where was it? I guess it didn't bother me at all.

I did get a few people who hugged me. Some asked if they could have a hug and some didn't. The ones who asked made it quite a nice experience. The ones who didn't ask kind of scared the heck out of me.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Rhornez on July 14, 2009, 09:33:07 PM
next year me and my buddies are gonna dress as the Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan guys and just do random poses in front of the dealers hall and gamers room just for fun while at the same time ima have a sign that says "Im really the leader the guy in the middle is a noob"
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Ryo_Hellsing on July 20, 2009, 10:05:00 AM
The hug line was kind of fun. Every time I passed by I gave in to them because they would keep asking but other then that I loved it.

Everytime I was about to feel sad I just ran to the hug line and Bam! Instant hug full of wonderfulness. But that was just me. My friend Brent didn't really like them but I do get that after awhile it can get abit annoying.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: ayame_nguyen on July 28, 2009, 09:32:22 PM
I thought the lines were fun. I didn't have a problem with it. but on Monday (2009) most people left and the line only had about 5 people. some of the guys were half dress and going a bit over board. they started yelling and like " aww come on . give me a hug " it was kind of akward . but the other days it was kind of fun. everyone in the hug like were by the wall and they weren't half dressed or anything and they stood there with open arms. they didn't say anything except thank you when you hugged them . People holding signs are fine.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Lucifargundam on July 29, 2009, 04:43:48 PM
I saw the line grow and such. I thought everyone praised it. I didn't participate(not enough time), but if it's there next year, maybe I will. I dont see a problem about it so long as people mind their own space and stay against the wall. Basic principles and whatnot. Like I said, it seemed to only be praised if anything at all. One girl walked around with a sign with a signature of every person that hugged her.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: TC_X0_Lt_0X on July 30, 2009, 02:46:42 PM
I don't think the lines were annoying or dangerous at all. It was just harmless fun. They always asked permission if they could hug you, at least when I was around. Loneliness aside, I think of it as a big part of Fanime for myself. It has always been there and has always been fun to grab all kings of hugs in route to an event in a hurry. Many pictures were taken.
I too saw the girl having people hug her and sign their names on her shirt. I made sure my name was BIG. Excellent, excellent.

Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Liquid on July 30, 2009, 02:55:31 PM
Rovers will definately be looking into putting a stop to anyone who is trying to give forceful hugs or jumping in front of people in the future. Personally, I do not see the Hug Line as an issue if those things are not taking place. However, we will have to discuss this as a group to decide what our plans will be in the future in regards to this. I will make sure this gets brought up as a topic at the future meetings.

I can promise though that we will break it up if those above things are reported and we will also break it up if it begins to cause traffic jams.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Vensy on August 04, 2009, 01:51:07 PM
TT-TT'' I admit I ended up trying to AVOID that area after a while...because I would try to go somewhere and they kept hassling me for hugs... and I'm the kind of person who hates ignoring people and whatnot..so I'd feel so terrible for trying to ignore them to try to get to where I wanted to get to... >.> I mean it was funny when I first saw it..but yeah... they seemed to be like RAWR HUGS OR JOO EVIL...... yeah... gave off a bad vibe or somethin... D;
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: AngelaSimple on January 20, 2010, 08:28:14 PM
It's been months since anyone has posted in this thread, but I'm just HOPING that there WILL NOT be a free hugs line at Fanime 2010.
I've been hugged without my consent, pushed into them, and forced into them although I've obviously stated I did not want to be touched.
It's annoying, aggravating, unwanted by many, and labeled as harassment. Please ban or keep heavy, heavy watch of these "free hugs" at
Fanime 2010 for the sake of other Fanime goers. Please.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: PyronIkari on January 20, 2010, 11:56:39 PM
On Monday there was a line down by the Dealers Hall and I have to say that even though I like hugs, I avoided a few. [Some from some pretty unattractive hug givers]. However, I did hug this long line of really cute guys and two of them were shirtless! xD They weren't begging for hugs, but dammit to me - in my mind - they were screaming "HUG ME"! So my friend and I did. o_o And we went back and did it again. And then a third time. xD They were just so smexy. I say the 'FREE HUGS' signs are okay as long as you are cute enough to get one. Seriously. Some pretty ugly people had those and they smelt and looked pretty bad. =/ Ew. Also no 'AND/OR KISSES' signs. JUST NO!!

Wow... just wow.

"You shouldn't be allowed to do something unless you're at least this attractive". How absolutely shallow.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Jerry on January 21, 2010, 04:07:43 PM
It's been months since anyone has posted in this thread, but I'm just HOPING that there WILL NOT be a free hugs line at Fanime 2010.
I've been hugged without my consent, pushed into them, and forced into them although I've obviously stated I did not want to be touched.
It's annoying, aggravating, unwanted by many, and labeled as harassment. Please ban or keep heavy, heavy watch of these "free hugs" at
Fanime 2010 for the sake of other Fanime goers. Please.

In Recent Years staff along with other Con-goers have expressed their opinion about the usage of signs. as well as their dislike for apparent " hug wall / line " last year.

Simply put - we are trying to avoid any type of " Solicitation " essentially a quid pro quo type of situation. - Basically asking someone to do something in return for something else.

The grey area [and sometimes also a liability issue] is when people advertise " Free stuff " - such as hugs, cookies/food, or art.

just remember that safety and all con-goers security is key to enjoying your Convention.

if anyone is harassing you or preventing you from walking down a hallway or the concourse itself and demanding unwanted physical attention the just let us know.

Some of our bigger menacing looking Rovers know how to disperse crowds with their angry eyes  >:(
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Liquid on January 22, 2010, 02:50:06 PM
As stated a bunch of times somewhere in this thread; we really have no reason to disperse the hug line unless people are breaking the rules (blocking pathways, harassing people, ignoring boundaries, etc.) We (we being Rovers) plan to keep an eye out for these sorts of things, but we can not be everywhere at once and sometimes things are missed. So, if you see anything questionable or are a victim of having your boundaries ignored or are being harassed, please do not hesistate to report it to a Rover. If you don't report it, we probably won't know about it. Telling us after the con on the forums isn't really going to help things get resolved during the con. :-\

In regards to 2010; I don't see us banning a hug line altogether (although it's not my decision to make.) However, I do see us dispersing a hug line if things get out of hand and become a problem for other con-goers. Personally, if I see a hug line I will try to make sure that they are aware of the rules and if I see anything questionable I will give out some warnings. If warnings are ignored, then it will be dispersed. :)
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Jerry on January 22, 2010, 02:56:11 PM
its just because you like getting hugs Liquid.  ;)

but we have to watch out for our more reserved and "please dont touch my bubble" folks.

not everyone likes physical contact. :P  To each is own.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Liquid on January 22, 2010, 03:20:37 PM
lol, so true. I love hugs. The hug line never gave me a reason to disperse them. I never really witnessed them harassing anyone and I was always asked for a hug before being hugged.

I can understand though that there are people out there who don't even want to be approached and asked for a hug. Because even though they don't want a hug they are generally good natured and will feel pressured to say yes. Personally, I'd like to see if we could keep the hug line against the wall and attempt to keep them from approaching individuals directly, to narrow down the awkwardness some feel. However, we will have to discuss this topic with the Rover heads at one of the next meetings for an official ruling.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Steve.Young on January 22, 2010, 06:45:16 PM
Oh, it shall be discussed...
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: lyricaldanichan on January 22, 2010, 07:37:05 PM
It would be nice if they did this outside or not at all. It was embarrassing guiding the GOHs from the Hilton into the SJCC and seeing this train wreak. I understand people are having fun, but it was a bit much and awkward. I guess it could be worse.

lol, so true. I love hugs. The hug line never gave me a reason to disperse them. I never really witnessed them harassing anyone and I was always asked for a hug before being hugged.

I can understand though that there are people out there who don't even want to be approached and asked for a hug. Because even though they don't want a hug they are generally good natured and will feel pressured to say yes. Personally, I'd like to see if we could keep the hug line against the wall and attempt to keep them from approaching individuals directly, to narrow down the awkwardness some feel. However, we will have to discuss this topic with the Rover heads at one of the next meetings for an official ruling.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: PrincessPolka on January 26, 2010, 07:41:16 PM
Things get a little wacky at the con. I don't see it as harmful in any way. The last time I went, I think it was 2006, (havent been for awhile) someone did glomp be without permission and that was very annoying to say the least. The signs are part of the fun I think. Not only did people have signs for free hugs, but a bunch of other silly things as well, and it's just silly fun. Of course, some do get carried away, and that's when harmless fun becomes creepy to me. I don't want to be hugged by total strangers without my consent, that is upsetting. I'll get in the con spirit like many others and act like a goof, but I am not going to subject others to my silliness. Save it for your friends.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: PyronIkari on January 26, 2010, 10:43:51 PM
Things get a little wacky at the con. I don't see it as harmful in any way. The last time I went, I think it was 2006, (havent been for awhile) someone did glomp be without permission and that was very annoying to say the least. The signs are part of the fun I think. Not only did people have signs for free hugs, but a bunch of other silly things as well, and it's just silly fun. Of course, some do get carried away, and that's when harmless fun becomes creepy to me. I don't want to be hugged by total strangers without my consent, that is upsetting. I'll get in the con spirit like many others and act like a goof, but I am not going to subject others to my silliness. Save it for your friends.

Let's turn it this way. Don't look at it from your perspective but from someone else.

Imagine, you are with your 5 yr. old daughter and you're walking down the hall. A guy, seemingly in his 20s who is shirtless is standing next to a very scantily clad girl maybe 16 and they're both holding signs that say free hugs, and are asking people to hug them. As a parent, who doesn't know much about cons and decided to take her 5 yr. old daughter to this convention because she likes anime, how would you feel? Are you going to go "WOW this environment is great for my daughter, and I want her to be here". Or even "Wow, when my daughter grows up, I sure want her to be going to this place alone!"

It's fun and games to you, but it's not to other people, and it can be really disturbing, problematic. Like, I saw people going up and hugging "kids"(tweens/preteens/and barely teenagers) without them asking, and even though some said it was ok, they weren't with a parent or anything. This really is kinda disturbing realistically.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Persona on January 27, 2010, 12:30:31 PM
^ Agreed.

Personally, I found the lines annoying and disturbing. I was a proponent of Free Hugs back when it was on college campuses and it was a pretty safe and neutral affair: we carried signs, smiled, and didn't get into people's faces. People who didn't want hugs politely declined and we respected their wishes, and people who wanted hugs got fully-clothed, generous-but-not-groping hugs. If the huglines were more like that, i.e. "I want to give you a hug to brighten your day" and not "You need to give us attention", I wouldn't have a problem with it at all, but unfortunately they're not -- they cross too many boundaries of appropriateness by being shirtless and aggressive, and by invading other people's personal space.

I can understand why the people in the huglines would behave the way they do; after all, they're just having a bit of fun, and those who decline or try to stop it are just uptight and mean. However, no matter where these activities take place, be it at a mall or a con, personal boundaries need to be respected, and if someone doesn't want to have a hug, then don't give them one and send them on their merry way.

I think there needs to be a panel on this.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Nina Star 9 on January 27, 2010, 10:46:09 PM
I think there needs to be a panel on this.
Basic Manners 101 -- What your parents should have taught you but apparently didn't

Hopefully people would actually listen to it. ;P
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: PyronIkari on January 27, 2010, 11:45:15 PM
I think there needs to be a panel on this.
Basic Manners 101 -- What your parents should have taught you but apparently didn't

Hopefully people would actually listen to it. ;P

Chances are it'll just turn into a big argument of people going "WE WANT TO DO IT AND YOU CAN'T STOP US! WE LIKE HUGGING PEOPLE, WE ARE NOT WHAT YOU DESCRIBE!" and "YOU REALIZE YOU'RE NOT EXACTLY GIVING PEOPLE SPACE, AND DISTURBING LOTS OF PEOPLE RIGHT?!"
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: HelloDolly on January 28, 2010, 11:50:49 PM
I think there needs to be a panel on this.
Basic Manners 101 -- What your parents should have taught you but apparently didn't

Hopefully people would actually listen to it. ;P

I think "basic manners" includes keeping your shirt on in public, not soliciting, and being aware of others' personal space. At least, that's what MY parents taught me.

My opinion- I don't care for hugs, but the line bothers me because of the crowdedness and crampedness that it creates in the area. Traffic is always sluggish which disenchants me to even go around there.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: PyronIkari on January 28, 2010, 11:54:32 PM
I think there needs to be a panel on this.
Basic Manners 101 -- What your parents should have taught you but apparently didn't

Hopefully people would actually listen to it. ;P

I think "basic manners" includes keeping your shirt on in public, not soliciting, and being aware of others' personal space. At least, that's what MY parents taught me.

My opinion- I don't care for hugs, but the line bothers me because of the crowdedness and crampedness that it creates in the area. Traffic is always sluggish which disenchants me to even go around there.

Eh keeping your shirt on isn't required... but it's creepy when a guy without a shirt is like "WILL YOU HUUUUUUG MEEEEEE?" If a guy is walking without a shirt, doing his thing, eating some nachos and smoking a cigarette, I'm not going to think anything of it. If he's asking me to hug him... that's totally different.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Liquid on January 29, 2010, 10:23:41 AM
Eh keeping your shirt on isn't required... but it's creepy when a guy without a shirt is like "WILL YOU HUUUUUUG MEEEEEE?" If a guy is walking without a shirt, doing his thing, eating some nachos and smoking a cigarette, I'm not going to think anything of it. If he's asking me to hug him... that's totally different.

Note to self: Try to find someone willing to play as a creepy guy with no shirt that has a cigarette and is eating nachos...and pay them to stalk Mikey around Fanime asking him if he wants a hug. :D
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: PyronIkari on January 29, 2010, 11:41:45 AM
Eh keeping your shirt on isn't required... but it's creepy when a guy without a shirt is like "WILL YOU HUUUUUUG MEEEEEE?" If a guy is walking without a shirt, doing his thing, eating some nachos and smoking a cigarette, I'm not going to think anything of it. If he's asking me to hug him... that's totally different.

Note to self: Try to find someone willing to play as a creepy guy with no shirt that has a cigarette and is eating nachos...and pay them to stalk Mikey around Fanime asking him if he wants a hug. :D

So you want me to stalk myself, minus the hug part?
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Liquid on January 29, 2010, 01:38:41 PM
LOL! A part of me would like to see how exactly that would work, but then again another part of me is not sure I'd want to see that at all. :D

However, we could always film the incident and make it our Rover educational video on how not to be creepy, with you playing the role as the bad example.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Tony on January 29, 2010, 02:48:21 PM
Eh keeping your shirt on isn't required... but it's creepy when a guy without a shirt is like "WILL YOU HUUUUUUG MEEEEEE?" If a guy is walking without a shirt, doing his thing, eating some nachos and smoking a cigarette, I'm not going to think anything of it. If he's asking me to hug him... that's totally different.

Note to self: Try to find someone willing to play as a creepy guy with no shirt that has a cigarette and is eating nachos...and pay them to stalk Mikey around Fanime asking him if he wants a hug. :D
So you want me to stalk myself, minus the hug part?
Bonus points if it's "Pants around the ankles, smoking a cigarette, reading a laptop while on the toilet" Mikey that's stalking real Mikey for hugs.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: PyronIkari on January 29, 2010, 02:50:54 PM
Eh keeping your shirt on isn't required... but it's creepy when a guy without a shirt is like "WILL YOU HUUUUUUG MEEEEEE?" If a guy is walking without a shirt, doing his thing, eating some nachos and smoking a cigarette, I'm not going to think anything of it. If he's asking me to hug him... that's totally different.

Note to self: Try to find someone willing to play as a creepy guy with no shirt that has a cigarette and is eating nachos...and pay them to stalk Mikey around Fanime asking him if he wants a hug. :D
So you want me to stalk myself, minus the hug part?
Bonus points if it's "Pants around the ankles, smoking a cigarette, reading a laptop while on the toilet" Mikey that's stalking real Mikey for hugs.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA How did you see that pic? I don't think I've ever posted it on these forums! That pic is so awesome though, it's like my most favorite pic of myself.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: RooBird on February 01, 2010, 07:07:30 PM
The people were ordered to stay against the wall so they wouldn't be in the way.  If you didn't want to be hugged you didn't have to.  I honestly thought it was a positive experience, people are so closed off and apathetic towards eachother in society anymore that I thought it was cool that people were willing to show a little love to all genders/orientations/cosplays etc.
This. So much. The hug line and people wearing hug signs helped to strengthen the positive experience I was having for my first convention ever; And to be honest, the first thing that comes to mind when I think of my time at Fanime was the warmth and kindness of the people who were willing to give a little love to random strangers. It really made me happy, and it does upset me that other people did not feel the same thing. Anyways, in my opinion, it was a great thing.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: LastExile on February 02, 2010, 05:10:46 PM
The hug line did annoy me. I don't care about people with free hugs signs in general, so long as they're standing off to the side, being quiet, and not heckling people.
But I don't appreciate it when scantily clad cosplayers and non-cosplayers of any gender yell "FREE HUGS" at me then proceed to hug/glomp me without my permission.
:/
I think everybody just goes crazy once they're in a big group and feel empowered.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Vensy on February 02, 2010, 05:54:13 PM
As long as they don't harass people, forcefully make you hug them, it could be okay...

My cosplays are always very fragile and I like to avoid hugging if possible, especially sudden hugs w/o being asked. >.>

Every time I walked by them I was nervous.. TwT
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Loktera^2 on February 03, 2010, 08:27:32 PM
I was mildly pleased to see that there were almost no dumb signs on Friday, and somewhat miffed when by Saturday the "Free Hugs" phenomenon was back with a vengeance. It doesn't intimidate me or anything, but it's kind of embarrassing that by going to the con I am associated with these people.

I'm in agreeance with mDuo. Even though I was once like this, I have since grown up and matured a little (okay, not a whole lot, but just enough to know better.) It is embarrassing to see people behave like that, especially when we are both attending an event.

So, as a word from the wise, it's not as cute as you think it is. It's also really damn annoying sometimes.

Just keep in mind. This was me in 2004.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Loktera/Fanimecon%202004/20056.jpg)

Also, I still have that sign, and No, I will not bring it out of retirement, and NO I will not destroy it for the better of mankind.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: TC_X0_Lt_0X on February 17, 2010, 01:25:56 AM
I'm so sorry.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Loktera^2 on February 20, 2010, 02:34:48 PM
I'm so sorry.

Not as sorry as I am.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Knightfire on February 20, 2010, 03:08:52 PM
Classic Jason is Classic
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Rebeccakh on March 24, 2010, 01:50:56 PM
For me it was a little scary seeing a writhing mass of people begging for hugs but due to my gigantic wings and spear I didn't recieve any unwanted hugs which was really nice. It was really intimidating having to be forced to go pass them when you wanted to go shop cause you couldnt just avoid it plus i'm extremely timid, socially akward, and embarrased when wearing my costume til I get used to it, and having to waddle past a giant crowd of people wearing giant blue feathery wings toating a spear makes me almost feel like they're staring at me as I walk by in my underpants. But a big thing that also bothered me about it is I have to bring my dad to these conventions and he doesn't care for anime whatsoever and during 09 he even told me that he was " sick of all these f*cking freaks" which really made me sad because i'd like to maybe at least get my dad to enjoy going with me to cons because its really the only father/daughter time we have that's doing something I like and not going to sporting events and what not.. But when he sees shirtless people and people wildly hugging and begging for hugs, for him, an outsider to all of this, its basically like a massive orgy or somthing so the huggers really don't help me plead my case that cons are not as bad as they seem and makes him not want to allow me to attend cons for fear of getting kidnapped and molested by said freaks. > _ < so for me i think it'd be really nice for the hug line to not happen next year or for them to have a designated area for hugging out of the way of traffic in a nice tucked away place or somthing
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: ayame_nguyen on April 15, 2010, 09:48:04 PM
For me it was a little scary seeing a writhing mass of people begging for hugs but due to my gigantic wings and spear I didn't recieve any unwanted hugs which was really nice. It was really intimidating having to be forced to go pass them when you wanted to go shop cause you couldnt just avoid it plus i'm extremely timid, socially akward, and embarrased when wearing my costume til I get used to it, and having to waddle past a giant crowd of people wearing giant blue feathery wings toating a spear makes me almost feel like they're staring at me as I walk by in my underpants. But a big thing that also bothered me about it is I have to bring my dad to these conventions and he doesn't care for anime whatsoever and during 09 he even told me that he was " sick of all these f*cking freaks" which really made me sad because i'd like to maybe at least get my dad to enjoy going with me to cons because its really the only father/daughter time we have that's doing something I like and not going to sporting events and what not.. But when he sees shirtless people and people wildly hugging and begging for hugs, for him, an outsider to all of this, its basically like a massive orgy or somthing so the huggers really don't help me plead my case that cons are not as bad as they seem and makes him not want to allow me to attend cons for fear of getting kidnapped and molested by said freaks. > _ < so for me i think it'd be really nice for the hug line to not happen next year or for them to have a designated area for hugging out of the way of traffic in a nice tucked away place or somthing

i understand you. whenever i wanted to go to the dealer room i was a bit scared to go because of all the people. i agree it should be moved else where. or at least some rules should be made about the lines, like keep your clothes on.
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Jerry on April 16, 2010, 08:48:35 AM
Fanime Rovers will be around to try to break up any massive of people trying to invade others people's space bubbles -
AKA the hug line/wall.

if you are being harassed PLEASE LET ROVERS KNOW - we'll break them up / disperse them so that issue doesnt get out of hand.

Thanks!
Title: Re: The hug line
Post by: Steve.Young on April 26, 2010, 06:56:04 PM
It has been decided this year that the hug lines will not be allowed to continue as they were a disruptive presence in the preservation of people's personal bubbles and the general discord of being in a place with so much traffic flowing through.