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Title: Live streaming
Post by: otakuya on January 16, 2013, 02:01:33 PM
I'm wondering if there is going to be a live streaming channel for Fanime events, like Stage Zero, game tournaments, and cosplay spectacular? It'll be cool for those that can't make it to the con. Probably through Twitch and Justin
Title: Re: Live streaming
Post by: Lucifargundam on January 17, 2013, 01:12:49 AM
Like the idea, but I think people would put too much attention torwards being on cam...
Title: Re: Live streaming
Post by: spycker on January 17, 2013, 01:38:52 PM
I might do a live stream of Fanime.... :o
Title: Re: Live streaming
Post by: Aoiro on January 17, 2013, 02:07:48 PM
Only if they pay for the internet connection for the convention... which is a couple thousand dollars.
Title: Re: Live streaming
Post by: echoshadow on January 17, 2013, 06:14:55 PM
Maybe its just me, but streaming live events like stage zero, cosplay spectaculer,etc kind of defeates the point of going to fanime.

Why would some one watch that for free when I took time off and payed for my bagde, room, and other travel expenses.

Now I have no problem if the videos where shown after the event or Fanime. That would be nice to see a recap of things.
Title: Re: Live streaming
Post by: MPLe on January 18, 2013, 08:55:03 AM
I wish we could do live streaming, but it would cost too much to be worth it (balancing events+new events vs streaming). It's always an interesting thing to get a price check and then realize that there is a lot more potential in using those funds to create/improve new events (Fanimaid Cafe, Black & White Ball, etc.).

Maybe its just me, but streaming live events like stage zero, cosplay spectaculer,etc kind of defeates the point of going to fanime.

Why would some one watch that for free when I took time off and payed for my bagde, room, and other travel expenses.

Now I have no problem if the videos where shown after the event or Fanime. That would be nice to see a recap of things.
I think it mainly fits into these three categories:
1) Those that couldn't attend FanimeCon.
2) When the event becomes too packed.
3) When people would prefer to watch the event from their computers on the concourse, in their hotel room, wherever else they may have internet.
Title: Re: Live streaming
Post by: spycker on January 19, 2013, 05:54:07 PM
Ill stream Fanime 2013. I have a huge internet cap and that shouldnt be the problem, going to be at full 1080p for those who support it.
Ill post the link to my live stream channel soon
Title: Re: Live streaming
Post by: otakuya on January 19, 2013, 08:14:30 PM
I saw that some gaming tournaments and regular casual gaming were streaming live on Twitch last year too. like: www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGCWo08Hlkk
Title: Re: Live streaming
Post by: spycker on January 19, 2013, 11:29:16 PM
I will be streaming Fanime 2013 HERE http://www.ustream.tv/channel/animeconventionslive (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/animeconventionslive)
Title: Re: Live streaming
Post by: codemaster on January 23, 2013, 12:11:10 AM
Might not be a bad idea for the staff to contact Justin.TV/Twitch.TV about that since they're located just up in San Francisco. Would be pretty cool! I know PAX does a lot of streaming of certain events and concerts now, even.
Title: Re: Live streaming
Post by: djmonolith on January 31, 2013, 08:17:35 PM
Streaming video of the concourse would be awesome.
Title: no wifi alloweD???
Post by: Hachimitsu-ink on February 01, 2013, 08:10:56 PM
I will be streaming Fanime 2013 HERE http://www.ustream.tv/channel/animeconventionslive (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/animeconventionslive)

yeah..about that...
I heard that some of the rovers complained to the guests that most of the wifi spots are not for the guests! and ask NOT TO log in to the network!

if you want to go for a free wifi, they continued saying Gaming room!

when we enter in gaming room, the wifi was NOT there or it was trouble to get a signal!...

has any of you had a problem with rovers complaining to you about the usage of internets? (this was back in 2010 when swapmeet had a big line)
Title: Re: Live streaming
Post by: Lucifargundam on February 01, 2013, 11:01:27 PM
I never heard of such a thing... I didn't think the rooms had wifi but I knew the hallway did. Everyone uses teh hallway wifi... kinda need to since phone service is nil.
Title: Re: Live streaming
Post by: djmonolith on February 01, 2013, 11:10:09 PM
I had spotty service in the dealer room and artist alley.  Big Wow was the same.  It is always weird to me when any place in San Jose has bad cell service. 
Title: Re: no wifi alloweD???
Post by: spycker on February 06, 2013, 11:21:12 PM
yeah..about that...
I heard that some of the rovers complained to the guests that most of the wifi spots are not for the guests! and ask NOT TO log in to the network!


I keep mentioning that im going to use my own internet...........my own internet service provider.....i get free wifi at 4g speed...
Title: Re: Live streaming
Post by: sysadmin on February 07, 2013, 12:04:23 AM
This is a challenge in any location with tens of thousands of people in one spot.

For attendees using some of the public internet available on the concourse, this will be shared with everyone on the concourse with a wifi smartphone.
For attendees using hotel internet, this will be shared among all the hotel visitors.
For attendees using internet through their mobile phone provider, this is shared among everyone with that carrier.
That kind of internet can get sluggish during peak periods.

On top of that, a few people think that using public/hotel/mobile internet is the best time to torrent the latest episode of whatever, and bandwidth gets even more contentious.

As MPLe states, it would be nice to stream things, but the only proper way to do that is with a separate dedicated connection, which is not cheap.
Title: Re: Live streaming
Post by: spycker on February 07, 2013, 12:47:34 AM
I should have it covered. althought ill be doing some more stress testing soon.
Title: Re: Live streaming
Post by: Mizuki on February 07, 2013, 09:04:02 PM
Okay, streaming "expert" here...

It can be possible using a mobile wi-fi hotspot (using like a Verizon one, very very pricey, wish I could get my own for personal use) but you would have to consider that other people will be using Verizon service there for example, so it will be bogged down, just like sysadmin said.

Because Fanime is like a HUGE event, and San Jose is a huge hotspot of technology, you might be able to pull out a smooth 360p 30 fps stream, just because of the huge volume of people who will be using the service. If you have your own service-provided mobile hotspot I guess more power to you... There is no way you can get a 1080p stream on a mobile hotspot when it is in a huge area of people concentrated on that cell connection.

If I am misunderstanding, that's cool, but I guess its just a heads up on anyone else wanting to do streaming at fanime.
Title: Re: no wifi alloweD???
Post by: MPLe on February 07, 2013, 11:57:07 PM
Streaming video of the concourse would be awesome.
As a convention staffer, I would love nothing more than to stream all of our events (for free or for a cost to cover whatever it costs us). However, there are more than just technical difficulties in getting a stream.

yeah..about that...
I heard that some of the rovers complained to the guests that most of the wifi spots are not for the guests! and ask NOT TO log in to the network!

if you want to go for a free wifi, they continued saying Gaming room!

when we enter in gaming room, the wifi was NOT there or it was trouble to get a signal!...

has any of you had a problem with rovers complaining to you about the usage of internets? (this was back in 2010 when swapmeet had a big line)
The free wifi that was broadcast on the second floor concourse was free for EVERYONE. The Gaming Hall didn't have any wifi available (as sad as this makes me). I don't think our Rovers were ever told anything about the wifi, but if they were, they were mistaken.
Title: Re: Live streaming
Post by: Dracil on February 11, 2013, 12:22:39 AM
Last time I remembered people tried to live stream something the union people got wind of it and demanded $3000 to hire a union worker to... stand around and do nothing? Though that was at the Civic Auditorium so YMMV.
Title: Re: Live streaming
Post by: MPLe on February 11, 2013, 11:58:39 AM
Last time I remembered people tried to live stream something the union people got wind of it and demanded $3000 to hire a union worker to... stand around and do nothing? Though that was at the Civic Auditorium so YMMV.
The price changes depending on what is needed from the union workers, but "stand around and do nothing" is pretty inaccurate. "$3000 to do nothing" would stop anyone from streaming, though. :P
Title: Re: Live streaming
Post by: Dracil on February 11, 2013, 01:24:55 PM
Well they were obviously not needed as the attendees already had everything set up and were already streaming, with permission from the artist.  Whatever the official job function was, they really would just be standing there and doing nothing. :P
Title: Re: Live streaming
Post by: MPLe on February 11, 2013, 09:53:40 PM
Well they were obviously not needed as the attendees already had everything set up and were already streaming, with permission from the artist.  Whatever the official job function was, they really would just be standing there and doing nothing. :P
I don't know the full details of the story - I was just saying what I've been told (and from past experiences). Keep in mind that although the artist(s) might give permission, but this doesn't mean that there aren't other things that need to be approved.
Title: Re: Live streaming
Post by: EliteCosplay on February 23, 2013, 04:30:33 AM
Okay, streaming "expert" here...

It can be possible using a mobile wi-fi hotspot (using like a Verizon one, very very pricey, wish I could get my own for personal use) but you would have to consider that other people will be using Verizon service there for example, so it will be bogged down, just like sysadmin said.

Because Fanime is like a HUGE event, and San Jose is a huge hotspot of technology, you might be able to pull out a smooth 360p 30 fps stream, just because of the huge volume of people who will be using the service. If you have your own service-provided mobile hotspot I guess more power to you... There is no way you can get a 1080p stream on a mobile hotspot when it is in a huge area of people concentrated on that cell connection.

If I am misunderstanding, that's cool, but I guess its just a heads up on anyone else wanting to do streaming at fanime.

This! We were going to stream at a different con (with our own Verizon hotspot) but the Internet was really bogged down and streaming at 1080p on 4g was a no go. We could have payed a couple grand for some badass streaming equipment but it just wasn't worth it :P Hopefully in the next coming years mobile streaming will become cheaper/easier.
Title: Re: Live streaming
Post by: Makoto on February 23, 2013, 06:23:13 PM
How about the nico stream? I remember there was one in the Dealer's Hall, I think. I don't remember which year it was either.
Title: Re: Live streaming
Post by: otakuya on February 27, 2013, 07:51:43 PM
@the gaming department: For the gaming streams on Twitch last year, what program(s) did you use for the stream program and what was your source for internet at the gaming room?
Title: Re: Live streaming
Post by: lyricaldanichan on June 02, 2013, 12:56:01 AM
@the gaming department: For the gaming streams on Twitch last year, what program(s) did you use for the stream program and what was your source for internet at the gaming room?

Not speaking for egaming, but from my own personal experience streaming on twitch.tv.

The common applications used for streaming is Xsplit (http://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/733542-xsplit) (paid) or OBS  (http://obsproject.com/)(free) both for windows. You can record the sessions and upload them at a later time. The nice part about twitch is you can have your stream uploaded directly to youtube.

For more information about streaming on twitch, please check out the following link:

http://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/topics/301257-getting-started/articles
Title: Re: Live streaming
Post by: Lucifargundam on June 02, 2013, 02:59:59 AM
the streaming idea is a recurrring and somewhat-popular idea, however would cost the con a mentionable amount of money... if someone would be able to do so under their own service provider, this would probably be the beginning of a new idea- however, streaming footage of gaming/con-activity is still far from possible at its current state.

If someone could come up with an idea as to how to stream without depending on con-funds, this would likely be a very possible implementation with-so.... at least I would think so.  Xplay(last I checkd they're outtie3000), would have been on this if this were a streaming possibility- but fanimecon is still a low-key con that doesnt present any real advertisment as compared to Comicon....  So unless someone could figure out some mystical solution as to how to solve this financial/obstacle problem- that'd be great.....

Hosting tournaments or at least live feeds would be nice... but would have to monitored by the staff(of course...)...

I think it is well within the possiblity that someday the con will be able to reach out to others who could not attend the con in person- but in the meantime we will have to do with what we got.

If anyone has any ideas as to how to accomplish this dream, swing this by me as a fellow attendee via pm and let's talk:::