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Title: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: dealerJason on April 02, 2005, 01:50:17 AM
Hello folks!
Dealerjason here reminding you all to protect yourself when it comes to buying merchandise in Fanime's Dealer's room.  Dealerdave and myself can only do so much so we need you to make sure that you are protecting yourselves.  Here are some helpful hints:

1. Before you buy, make sure you know their return policy.
If they say "All Sales are Final", that means you give them your money, that is it!  So, make sure you really want it and you want it for that price

2. Check the merchandise before you hand over the money.
-Don't blindly buy that Naruto headband with out making sure that it
     a. Is what you really want
     b. Has the proper copyrights and stickers so you know you are
         buying quality stuff

3.   Have you have shopped and have gotten the best price you can get?

4. Don't support Bootlegs!
You know that Cutey Honey movie is not out yet and that Kung Fu Hustle is not available in an All Region format, so why buy it?  I would never give someone money for something they copied from a DVD or from the internet especially when they want 9 times more than what it cost them to make it.  So, don't let the bootleggers win!  Check to make sure your DVD's and Merchandise have all the proper copyrights!

I hope this helps you folks.  As the enforcer of Fanime's Policies, I will be putting more up here to help you out!  Spend your money wisely and make sure you are happy with EVERYTHING you buy!

Happy Shopping!

Sincerely,
Jason Ebner
dealerjason
Title: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: yukie utsumi on May 21, 2005, 10:32:14 PM
What about stuffed animals and plushies? I really want something from stuido ghibli (Totoro, Catbus, etc). Should we look for tags or just inspect the quality?
Title: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: VictimX on May 22, 2005, 12:10:41 AM
What about cels, I'd like to get one or two do they fake those or are they marked fan work?
Title: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: dealerJason on May 22, 2005, 03:49:33 AM
To get a legit Ghibli item, just check for the Miyazaki copy right.  If it is there along with the other stickers, it should be good.  Once again, research plays a huge role.

Cells, are extremely hard to make sure of.  I have been told legit cells have the following:

1. Good cells usually are drawn rougher.  Remember, they work fast, their work won't be perfect.

2. It comes with a sketch of the cell to prove the cell came from the same artist.

3. It has a Letter of authenticity.

But for cells, this still is not guarantee you a legit item.  Just exercise caution, do your research, and make sure you buy from those with excellent reputations.

dealerjason
Title: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: E-Chan on June 04, 2005, 01:26:15 PM
And, while it's always tempting to buy the bootlegs because they're cheaper remember a few things:

 - They tend to be of lower quality (dvd's will have bugs, or bad subs, or really bad dubs)
 - What they're selling for $30, cost the bootlegger $2 prolly.
 - It's illegal here in the states.
 - The artists... well, they're not getting the money. (Yeah, same ol' internet-download thing... but really, consider, Miyazaki, he puts so much work into things, and you're not even letting money trickle through the company to him, personally? geez.)
Title: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: Sage_Yuffie on June 12, 2005, 04:51:24 PM
how can i even tell if its a bootleg or not?
Personally, I really don't mind a bootleg, as long as it plays on my computer.

i don't even know what Cutey Honey is, and if it is even 'legally' out, but sometimes if a friend asks for it, and i buy it for em, how do i know if its legit?

PS. i'm the Fanime mule!  :P
I go to my friends in my town who are unfortunate enough to not beable to come due to no ride or not enough funds or no job leave and they give me money, i keep count of it, i buy from the lists they give me.
Title: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: dealerJason on June 17, 2005, 11:29:11 AM
Imagine making something that made so much money, but you never got any of it because they stole it from you.  That is what bootlegging is.
 
Battle Royale was a world wide success.  People love the movie, go to conventions to see the movie, and even buy the movie.  It has made millions!

The problem is that the company that originally put it out barely saw a dime of the International money.  Why? Because all those millions of dollars were spent on bootlegged copies of the movie.  A bootlegger gives nothing back to the people who made the film.  

To make sure you are getting the best for your money, buy from reputable dealers, make sure it is not Region 0 or all region if it is a new release,  check for misspellings and lack of a copyright on the box. and if it is REALLY cheap, (20 or less) it is a bootleg.

You should always care if it is a bootleg.  You want to pay someone 20 dollars for something they got for free?

Sincerely,
Jason Ebner
Title: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: Tony on June 17, 2005, 04:33:08 PM
Probably the best way to describe buying bootlegs is: you're getting ripped off and helping parasites.

You're getting ripped off because that bootleg DVD - even though it might be half the price - probably costs 10% of what you pay to manufacture it. It would be like asking a friend to burn a $1 CDR and he charges you 10 bucks for it. Why pay for something that cost so little - and was so easy - to produce?

Ah, but the same logic applies to real stuff, you say? Why pay $30 for a DVD that cost $3 to manufacture?

That's because there's much more to the real DVD that just manufacturing it; when you're paying for the real deal, you are directly funding the people who made that series for you. You're helping pay the artists, writers, producers, and voice actors. (And you can bet that very little of your $30 is pure profit. No one is "sticking it to the industry" by buying bootlegs; voice-actors aren't making $10 million per episode.)

Copying DVDs is incredibly easy. So while a legit copy pays for all the people who made it, buying a bootleg basically means you're paying for someone to hit "record" on a burner. Do you really want to pay someone $20 when all they did was push a button?
Title: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: Ayanami Rei First Child on October 17, 2005, 11:27:37 PM
Personally I view bootlegs as being WORSE then fansubs. Why you ask? Because as least with fansubs you can save for anime you REALLY like.....OR to get the manga which helps support the artist in another way. For series like Cutey Honey that HAVE DVDs there's no excuse because YOU CAN  BUY IMPORTS!! Just make sure to get a DVD player or program for your compy that'll PLAY IMPORTS! If you buy bootlegers you support people who leech money off the REAL supporters!! @.@
Title: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: Hired_Blade_Kage on February 03, 2006, 11:23:11 AM
Quote from: "Ayanami Rei First Child"
Personally I view bootlegs as being WORSE then fansubs. Why you ask? Because as least with fansubs you can save for anime you REALLY like.....OR to get the manga which helps support the artist in another way. For series like Cutey Honey that HAVE DVDs there's no excuse because YOU CAN  BUY IMPORTS!! Just make sure to get a DVD player or program for your compy that'll PLAY IMPORTS! If you buy bootlegers you support people who leech money off the REAL supporters!! @.@


True to that! Remember the wise words of the Full Metal Panic! Copyright warnings! or Tess will shove a Tomahawk missle down your chimmney!! dun think she won't!! XD

But seriously, I like fansubs, and often buy legit manga.. >.> Bootlegs are just crap anyways...
Title: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: sykoeent on February 05, 2006, 11:22:27 PM
Quote from: "dealerJason"
To get a legit Ghibli item, just check for the Miyazaki copy right.  If it is there along with the other stickers, it should be good.  Once again, research plays a huge role.

Cells, are extremely hard to make sure of.  I have been told legit cells have the following:

1. Good cells usually are drawn rougher.  Remember, they work fast, their work won't be perfect.

2. It comes with a sketch of the cell to prove the cell came from the same artist.

3. It has a Letter of authenticity.

But for cells, this still is not guarantee you a legit item.  Just exercise caution, do your research, and make sure you buy from those with excellent reputations.

dealerjason

Actually... these are good points. BUT there are dealers who do sell authentic cells... problem is they're stolen property. If you can live with that on your conscience... go for it. I for one didn't know any better until Naoko Takeuchi (spelling?), creator of Sailor Moon, announced to the crowd that she will NOT sign the cells the fans bought from the convention cos they were stolen from her studio. So, now I have a stolen cell... well, many stolen cells... but whatevers.
Title: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: sykoeent on February 05, 2006, 11:28:21 PM
Ooo ok Bootlegged anime.... or otherwise known as Anime DVD's from Taiwan... You knowI'm an impatient guy and during my lack of internet days of my post college hunt for a job, what better way to conserve money than buy a bootleg, right? Well... After watching Please Teacher! and falling in love with the story and art, Onegai Twins! come own... in bootleg form... I buy it and watch it. Disk 2 goes in and right at a cliffhanger... dvd dies... not the player, the dvd. How much does that suck?
Title: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: Absolute0 on February 10, 2006, 10:14:36 PM
Quote from: "sykoeent"
Ooo ok Bootlegged anime.... or otherwise known as Anime DVD's from Taiwan... You knowI'm an impatient guy and during my lack of internet days of my post college hunt for a job, what better way to conserve money than buy a bootleg, right? Well... After watching Please Teacher! and falling in love with the story and art, Onegai Twins! come own... in bootleg form... I buy it and watch it. Disk 2 goes in and right at a cliffhanger... dvd dies... not the player, the dvd. How much does that suck?


OWNED BY PIRACY.

Karma, Karma.
Title: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: Magical Senpai on February 24, 2006, 01:21:51 AM
10 Ways to tell your DVD set is a bootleg (http://www.virtualinfusion.net/announcement.php?f=7&a=5) - Courtesy of WJ at the Virtual Infusion fourms.
Title: Dealer Room
Post by: MzreYuen on June 04, 2006, 01:26:39 PM
Can anyone tell me why the dealer room seems to get smaller and smaller? i this is my third year going and the dealer room was so small this year.

Mzre Yuen @ TaoToys booth
Title: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: Megumi on May 12, 2007, 12:31:33 AM
Quote from: "Absolute0"
Quote from: "sykoeent"
Ooo ok Bootlegged anime.... or otherwise known as Anime DVD's from Taiwan... You knowI'm an impatient guy and during my lack of internet days of my post college hunt for a job, what better way to conserve money than buy a bootleg, right? Well... After watching Please Teacher! and falling in love with the story and art, Onegai Twins! come own... in bootleg form... I buy it and watch it. Disk 2 goes in and right at a cliffhanger... dvd dies... not the player, the dvd. How much does that suck?


OWNED BY PIRACY.

Karma, Karma.


I once bought a Saiyuki CD that was bootleg. The only reason I found out is because the songs on the CD that were supposed to be the TV sized versions were the full versions, so I had like 4-5 of the same songs on the CD twice -__- So I've now learned that any CD that has EVER ANIME as a logo is bootleg.
Title: Re: Dealer Room
Post by: Jelly Soup on May 16, 2007, 02:30:22 AM
Quote from: "MzreYuen"
Can anyone tell me why the dealer room seems to get smaller and smaller? i this is my third year going and the dealer room was so small this year.

Mzre Yuen @ TaoToys booth


It just seems small. The same amount of dealers are there (or more, someone correct me), but there's a lot more walking space.

Sidenote: Will Tony be attending this year? I forgot to ask that last time I saw him.
Title: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: LordKefka on May 22, 2007, 12:32:00 AM
Here is something I wrote up regarding bootleg DVDs in case anyone cares. Basically the main things to look out for I guess:

One, Two, or Three? What is the correct number?

Most of the time an Anime DVD contains around 3 to 4 episodes. So in other words, if it is a 26 episode Anime, you would expect (generally) 6 to 7 DVDs. Most 13 episode Anime series contain 4 DVDs. This is one of the most obvious things to know when looking to buy Anime DVDs. When there are 3 DVDs for something that is 26 episodes or 1 or 2 DVDs for 13 episodes series, then most likely it is bootlegged. Although there are times where some DVDs contain 5 episodes. But knowing the Region Code of the DVD should be the next thing to understand.

There should only be ONE type of DVD…right?

There are 8 Regions for DVDs including Region 0 or Region Free to Region 7. For example, Region 1 is North America, Canada. Region 2 is Japan and so forth. The Region to look out for when trying to distinguish the different between bootlegs and real DVDs is “Region 0″ or “Region Free.” This is the Hong Kong Regional Code. When you see an Anime DVD that says Region 0 or Region Free, 99.9% of the time it is a bootleg. However, there are Region 0 films that are NOT bootleg (exp. Initial D:LA). But when it comes down to Anime, avoid buying any of them that has to do with Region 0/Free. So why is Region 2,3,4 brought in? That is because people may mistaken for example, region 2 and 4 as bootleg. For North American people, buy ONLY Region 1! Next subject is the language package.

A language barrier?

If there is Chinese subtitles in a DVD, then chances are it is a bootleg. Most simply it is because Region 1 DVDs are Billingual or sometimes Trillingual and subtitles are usually just English. Just remember to avoid Chinese subtitles DVDs. Next point is the artwork of the DVD.

“Covering” the truth

Most of the time, the company that license an Anime will have an artwork that is universally seen at all stores. To find what the REAL artwork looks like go to sites such as Deepdiscountdvds.com, Rightstuf.com, or www.animeondvd.com. So before buying the DVD, make sure you can compare the artwork the person is selling with a trusted store. Even Bestbuy’s website will help you with this because there are no stores (other than pawn shops and second hand stores) that will sell bootlegs. Also in most cases, bootleg DVDs do not copy the DVD artwork from legitiment DVDs. Final point is, be careful of the price.

Truth or a lie?

Most people have probably heard the saying, Iif it’s too good to be true, it probably is”. Well, it’s the same thing when it comes to eBay. If at any point you think the price is way too good, have your doubts in mind. If anything, ask the person who is selling questions about the item. Do not be afraid to be blunt with how to talk to them. Bootleg dealers will find any way to get you to think what they sell if real by saying “factory sealed” and such. But in reality, anyone can “factory seal” a set of DVDs with plastic wrappers and a hairdryer.
Title: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: Cowpunk on May 22, 2007, 02:26:16 PM
On update to add.

The first post in this thread said the Cutie Honey live action movie was not available on legit DVD.

It now is from Bandai.
Title: Re: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: Chihiro on November 15, 2007, 08:03:17 PM
At Fanime 07, I bought a Toshiro plushy (BLEACH) and a month or so later, his hair split in half ._.
I had to sow it back together. The plushy itself was in tact.
Do I contact them about the plushy? Or just leave it alone? >.<
Title: Re: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: kamehitsu on December 02, 2007, 03:03:04 PM
i was planning on making a few t-shirts and stuff like that in my art class to sell at fanime for about 8-14$ each and i'll be making stencils and w/e myself, i wondering if it counts as a rip off or counterfeit if i do (it's not like i'm selling them as geniune) i'll just be selling to regain money i spent to enter :P
Title: Re: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: KamijoIsLove on December 12, 2007, 10:01:48 AM
Ooh, on the subject of bootlegs.

There's that guy that seems to be at every con I've been to (a total of two LOL), but...well, he sells JRock merchandise and prints and such.

I mean, he sells 'em cheap, and they're obviously all homemade, since I recognized many of the pictures as scans from like, PatiPati, or What's In?, and Cure, and Shoxx, and yeah. I bought a Hyde print that I recognized from What's In? for like...twenty bucks. >_< It was shiny. I had to buy it.

But does that count as 'bootlegging?' That guy's smart; he's the only guy that sells JRock merchandise in a sea of anime stuffs, so...he's the only guy to go to. xD ;;No competition. Yeah...

That's just about the prints. His CD's, DVD's, and photobooks all looked authentic to me, so yeah.
Title: Re: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: FanFicGuru on January 14, 2008, 04:13:02 PM
i was planning on making a few t-shirts and stuff like that in my art class to sell at fanime for about 8-14$ each and i'll be making stencils and w/e myself, i wondering if it counts as a rip off or counterfeit if i do (it's not like i'm selling them as geniune) i'll just be selling to regain money i spent to enter :P

If the art and images that are on the shirts are your creations that you used your own money and resources to make, there shouldn't be any problem with selling them.

It's when you use shopped images from anime/RPGs...slap them on a shirt and sell them for 10 dollars that it becomes an issue.

I wouldn't worry about it too much.
Title: Re: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: migitlicious on March 30, 2008, 04:36:45 AM
What about wall scrolls? I was planning on finding some at fanime this year and I wonder if those are subjected to counterfeiting as well. I already have some but never thought about how to distinguish a real one from a fake one.
Title: Re: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: Keys on April 02, 2008, 05:45:46 PM
What about wall scrolls? I was planning on finding some at fanime this year and I wonder if those are subjected to counterfeiting as well. I already have some but never thought about how to distinguish a real one from a fake one.

There is heavy bootlegging on wall scrolls. 

One way to be sure yours is legit is to see if it has copyright information on it.  You'll notice that the domestic ones produced by Great Eastern all have the name of the series and copyright information right there on the image.

Signs that a wallscroll is bootlegged include but are not limited to: cut-off/cropped off words, cut-off/cropped off characters/character parts/hair, low print quality (I saw one last year that was very splotchy and have heard there is a lot of speckling), and poor image quality (blurred, at an angle, aliasing)

Really to be sure, I would look for the copyright information.
Title: Re: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: Keys on April 02, 2008, 05:53:59 PM
To get a legit Ghibli item, just check for the Miyazaki copy right.  If it is there along with the other stickers, it should be good.  Once again, research plays a huge role.

Cells, are extremely hard to make sure of.  I have been told legit cells have the following:

1. Good cells usually are drawn rougher.  Remember, they work fast, their work won't be perfect.

2. It comes with a sketch of the cell to prove the cell came from the same artist.

3. It has a Letter of authenticity.

But for cells, this still is not guarantee you a legit item.  Just exercise caution, do your research, and make sure you buy from those with excellent reputations.

dealerjason

Well, anyone can make a letter of authenticity and some anime series tend to have cels released without sketches.  Furthermore, while I have plenty of cels with errors, I've never found the work to look sloppier on average than a fan done work.

I actually have a somewhat lengthy answer to the question of cel authenticity here: http://www.fukushuu.org/cels/faqitem.php?g=y&cf=91
The short of it:
- Buy from dealers you trust.  Not only are they less likely to have gotten a fake, if by chance they do, they'll give you a refund if you can show it isn't genuine. 
- A lot of cels aren't worth it to fake.  It's a lot of effort and supplies to fake a $50 cel when you  could be faking a $500 one.
- Check your cel versus the scene it comes from in the anime.  This may take some time to find.  Do the lines match up?  Do the flaws match up?  If the  sequence number is low does it come  early in the cut?  On the off chance you find the cel is fake, if you bought from a reputable dealer, you can get a refund.
Title: Re: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: Keys on April 02, 2008, 05:58:29 PM
I've generally found this page to be a good starting point on the issue of bootlegs:
http://www.digital.anime.org.uk/piratefaq.html
Title: Re: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: Pika1979 on May 08, 2008, 01:01:56 PM
here is the one really good advice i can give you about buying anything and this goes for the dealers room as well as swap meet. if it dose not look right don't buy it. you all know what i mean. i have been to flea markets and seen this stuff. DBZ figures with the wrong color clothing, DVDs that have the badly blurred  covers, and CDs that have English lyrics for a j-rock band. so just remember look at what your buying. and just on a side note about bootleg DVDs i will admit that I have bought bootlegged items before. but as soon as it was available in the US i bought it.
Title: Re: Dealer Room
Post by: Varnado Barolius on June 04, 2008, 01:17:21 AM
Can anyone tell me why the dealer room seems to get smaller and smaller? i this is my third year going and the dealer room was so small this year.

Mzre Yuen @ TaoToys booth
There were more dealers than last year, but less diversity of what they were selling.

I'd also like to say prices were higher, but prices are always too high for everything when you're a student. ;)
Title: Re: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: sky-chan on December 01, 2008, 11:00:28 PM
I understand the concern about bootlegs, though I've had the pleasure of avoiding them completely in the two years I've been attending Fanime. I guess being very picky until the nice people in the Bandai or Funimation booths attack you is a good thing. XD They got me my first year, and I HAD to buy a Black Cat DVD just for the XIII tattoo that came inside. Because of that, I had to take the train back and grab snacks in order to make it through the rest of the con. I'm such a dork. XD;
Title: Re: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: frumpy on April 06, 2009, 03:14:42 AM
If anyone has suspicions that some of the products are bootlegs, feel free to drop by the FanimeCon Dealers Dept booth. We strive to ensure that no one gets ripped off by any dealer. All dealers should realize by now that we do not tolerate bootlegs anymore. And like it was mentioned in previous posts, RESEARCH IS THE KEY! I've been fortunate enough to work with various dealers who've taught me how to spot bootlegs. Also, just because a Dealer claims an item is real, doesn't necessarily mean it is legit. Believe it or not, there are some Dealers who just don't know any better & will get ripped off by their wholesalers. (Wholesalers will claim their products are legit!)

Things to be weary of:

-Plushies of All Sizes - Bleach, Naruto, One Piece, Prince of Tennis, Sgt Frog, Studio Ghibli (mostly Totoro), Dragon Ball Z, Deathnote, Nintendo, Tsubasa's Mokona, etc. Tags AND stickers of approval have been copied. Make sure the cloth tags spell "made in xxxxx" correctly. I've caught some tags with "Mad in China". Fake cardboard tags will look pixelated compared to the real tags. Depending on the real companies, tags will sometimes have a gloss or not. Recent Ghibli bootlegs will have a smooth gloss, but SOME of the real tags will have a matte, non-gloss rough paper texture feel upon touching it.

-Boxed Gashapon - SquarEnix's Final Fantasy (ALL series), Kingdom Hearts, Fullmetal Alchemist. MOST boxed gashapon are usually sealed by glue (and sometimes feature a pull-zip to open the box from the top). I've noticed that the fakes will are sealed with tape on top & bottom. However, there ARE few real items that are sealed w/ tape, but not many...

-PVC Statues - Various statues made by Good Smile has been heavily bootlegged, try to keep an eye out for their holofoil sticker of approval. Megahouse's Bleach (and other various titles) PVC's have been heavily bootlegged also. (fake Ichigo's box will have Rukia's name written in Japanese.) Again, look for the "studio pierrot" sticker of approval, but make sure the sticker is real - it's a deep blue, solid color. The fake stickers look a bit washed out and is off-center on the cut.

-Jewelry & Cosplay Items - ALL Final Fantasy items are not meant to be cheap. If you can get a necklace for $20, I'd highly question the authenticity of it. Naruto headbands are officially released by GE for North America. Bootleg headbands may or may not have the "studio pierrot" fake sticker.

-Misc Items - ALL Deathnote Notebooks are fake. Those are from H.K. and are generally packaged in a brown box for presentation.

Here's some dealers who I can definitely trust for legit items shipped straight from Japan:

-AnimeJungle - gashapon, PVC statues
-AnimePalace - plushies (and many other items)
-JPN Toys - plush & PVC figurines
-Wizzy Wig - video game related toys & plush
-Cards & Comics Central - PVC, action figures, gashapon, some plush
-Nikaku Mart - various toys & figures
-Toys Logic - PVC statues & action figures

If you're someone who's knowledgable on bootlegs and would like to be on Dealer's Staff, please PM me! I can always use an extra pair of eyes.  ;D
Title: Re: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: Azuru on November 02, 2009, 04:39:32 PM
Haha #3 happened to me and my group last year. We were buying the prop plus petite code geass figurines, the chibi ones, and we bought them for $8 when we walked around a bit more we saw this lady selling the exact ones for $2! We bought more from that lady for cheaper.
Title: Re: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: frumpy on November 20, 2009, 07:53:25 PM
Haha #3 happened to me and my group last year. We were buying the prop plus petite code geass figurines, the chibi ones, and we bought them for $8 when we walked around a bit more we saw this lady selling the exact ones for $2! We bought more from that lady for cheaper.

Ah...but were you able to tell the difference in quality?? The figures can look the same, but the paint quality will be slightly off color or a little messy. The box/packaging print wouldn't look as sharp and pixelated as well....
Title: Re: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: kimonomomo on March 22, 2010, 04:30:18 PM
I bought a Japanese DVD online through Amazon... and it was a *bleeping* bootleg. The quality is poor, it won't last through too many viewings, and I've supported a parasite. But I couldn't tell online and I was anxious to grab a copy of the film when I could. At a show you can handle the case and look close enough to tell if the image on the cover is a copy or looks original.

Title: Re: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: frumpy on March 28, 2010, 03:54:26 AM
I bought a Japanese DVD online through Amazon... and it was a *bleeping* bootleg. The quality is poor, it won't last through too many viewings, and I've supported a parasite. But I couldn't tell online and I was anxious to grab a copy of the film when I could. At a show you can handle the case and look close enough to tell if the image on the cover is a copy or looks original.

Unfortunately, Amazon & eBay is like a giant flea market. The contracted vendors who sell thru Amazon aren't policed for bootlegs.  :-[
Title: Re: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: dburr on May 19, 2010, 03:59:43 PM
Some very useful information on how to spot the bootlegs can be found at the Pirate Anime FAQ (http://www.otakunews.com/piratefaq.php).  Looks like it hasn't been updated since 2008, but still quite a bit of useful information there.
Title: Re: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: cutiebunny on August 10, 2010, 03:36:57 AM
To get a legit Ghibli item, just check for the Miyazaki copy right.  If it is there along with the other stickers, it should be good.  Once again, research plays a huge role.

Cells, are extremely hard to make sure of.  I have been told legit cells have the following:

1. Good cells usually are drawn rougher.  Remember, they work fast, their work won't be perfect.

2. It comes with a sketch of the cell to prove the cell came from the same artist.

3. It has a Letter of authenticity.

But for cells, this still is not guarantee you a legit item.  Just exercise caution, do your research, and make sure you buy from those with excellent reputations.

dealerjason

 ::)

First of all, it's 'cels'.  C-E-L-S.

If you're out to buy cels, there are two key components to look for - registration holes and sequence numbers.  Registration holes are important; they were used to keep the cel in place while the camera took the picture.  They should be uniformly cut with two elongated spheres on either side & one circle hole in the middle.  They will all be uniformly lined up.  Generally, registration holes appear on the top of the cel, but, ocassionally, they will appear on the bottom.  Also, there are situations where a cel has been trimmed(either by the studio or a previous owner).  

Sequence numbers typically appear on the right hand side of the registration.  It generally includes a number and a letter, like, A-1.  Sometimes, there are words along with it, such as 'END' and 'TOME'.  These mean different things, and it's probably best that you head to a cel forum(like Anime-Beta) for more info.

Sketches are a whole different matter.  Most of the sketches that come with cels are not rough sketches.  They are exact matches to what you see on the cel.  That's because these sketches, known commonly as douga, were those that were used to make the xerox lines for the cel.  Occasionally, you'll find cels that also come with the roughs, known as genga.      


"Good cels" will never appear rough.  Remember, this cel appeared in anime.  Minus lighting and special effectts & this picture should appear exactly as it did on TV/DVD.  Also, the chances of you knowing the name of the person who drew the sketch(the cel was painted by another person, sometimes in another country) is slim.  That's because most artists never marked their work.  Each anime consisted of several key animators & lots of in-betweeners. 

Most anime cels do NOT have authenticity letters.  Nor are they stamped by the studio; Studio Pierrot & AIC are the only ones I know of that stamped cels.  So, you'll occasionally see some Tenchi Muyo & Tenshi ni  Narumon cels with stamps.  Most cels are just by themselves, sometimes with a douga, and sometimes with a background(and most of the time, they aren't matching backgrounds).  Authenticity letters are more frequent with US animation items.

There are other things to look for, such as line fading with Toei cels, but, that does take quite a bit more experience.  Once again, if you're looking to buy cels, head to a place where people collect cels.  Familiarize yourself with the common features before you buy.

I don't recall seeing anyone selling fancels in the dealers' hall this year.
Title: Re: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: Akito_starwind on August 10, 2010, 04:51:28 PM
Thax for the great info.
Title: Re: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: Persona on March 18, 2011, 10:20:17 AM
Old topic, but I just want to jump in on the PVC figure bootlegs. PVC has become hotter and hotter these days, which means that quality and prices have gone up as well as bootlegged copies of the most popular figures. Most seasoned collectors will already know what to look for, but if you're planning on starting or just want one or two to adorn your work/playspace, here are some tips:

1. Easiest thing to do first is to check the box. Usually bootlegged figures have awful printed boxes -- the color is too contrasted, the words are blurred or wrong (if you can read Japanese, but sometimes the English is wrong as well), and the box itself feels too matte or scratchy.

2. Looking at the prism stickers of authenticity is helpful as well, but most beginners will probably not be able to tell the difference between an artfully printed fake and a real hologram sticker, especially if they haven't really looked at the two side by side. Think of a well-made fake brand purse -- if you don't own a real one, you're probably not going to know where to look for signs of fakeness.

3. If the above checks out or is really hard to tell, look at the figure itself. Is the paint job sloppy? Do the eyes look weird? Is everything just a shade or two off from what you know the figure or character to look like? These features are especially apparent in Nendoroids and figmas, both of which are heavily bootlegged in China and can sometimes be super close to the real thing.

4. If you've fallen prey to fakes, there are two very obvious ways you can tell. First is general quality -- the figure may not even stand up or fit together correctly in places, even if the paint job looks fine. This is the fault of the cheaper plastic/old molds that the bootleggers use. Secondly, the smell. Fakes smell AWFUL. PVC in general doesn't smell like a walk through a rose garden, but fakes give off an awful chemical smell, especially the lower quality fakes.

If the dealer you bought them from looks trustworthy, let them know that they carry fakes and that they're being ripped off by their supplier. If they look like they don't care and are knowingly selling fakes at authentic prices, let everyone else know, especially ops or rovers.

The best way to protect yourself is to do extensive research on the figure(s) you want, online or otherwise. Know exactly how they look, especially the little details (trim, eyes, clear vs opaque), and you'll probably do alright.
Title: Re: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: zeroelement on May 19, 2011, 08:03:39 PM
On the topic of bootlegs Please note that some Anime companies are going out of business do to influx of people getting bootlegs(an fansubs TT_TT ) Last i heard Funimation is close to declaring bankrupt
Title: Re: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: FanFicGuru on May 22, 2011, 01:19:33 PM
On the topic of bootlegs Please note that some Anime companies are going out of business do to influx of people getting bootlegs(an fansubs TT_TT ) Last i heard Funimation is close to declaring bankrupt

Heard from where? Funimation is at ACEN right now talking about how they're in negotiations for licensing more One Piece episodes/movies as well as a number of other licensing announcements.

It's true that bootlegs hurt the industry. That's a given. That's why you want to make sure you're on guard so that you don't buy a fake product and not only get an inferior product, but basically support the robbers. :)
Title: Re: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: zeroelement on May 22, 2011, 04:00:02 PM
On the topic of bootlegs Please note that some Anime companies are going out of business do to influx of people getting bootlegs(an fansubs TT_TT ) Last i heard Funimation is close to declaring bankrupt

Heard from where? Funimation is at ACEN right now talking about how they're in negotiations for licensing more One Piece episodes/movies as well as a number of other licensing announcements.

It's true that bootlegs hurt the industry. That's a given. That's why you want to make sure you're on guard so that you don't buy a fake product and not only get an inferior product, but basically support the robbers. :)
I heard it from peole in my club who are way bigger fans than me.
Title: Re: Ways to protect yourself while buying at Fanime.
Post by: zeroelement on May 22, 2011, 04:05:10 PM
How to protect yourself while buying at fanime
Avoid buying Grab Bags.  http://forums.fanime.com/index.php/topic,16052.0.html  Unless you buy them with a few other people and split but the loot to who wants what.