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Title: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: FinalShadows on November 27, 2007, 10:05:21 PM
You can see it for yourself =P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJF1No5JQPQ&feature=related
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: Chaye on November 27, 2007, 10:12:00 PM
xD it's funny lmao. had to warn my mother though (she's a teacher) so she doesn't freak out if she see's said book...

my friends and I write in a Death Note book one of us owns for fun.. We have names of football players on the opposing teams for pro, teachers who bug, and other things.. of course we have very unrealistic deaths in it.. it's kinda weird to know that you can't let anyone who isn't in on it see it o.o;
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: Kazuko on November 27, 2007, 10:54:53 PM
I basically LAUGHED SO HARD at this

its so sad at the same time x3
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: shortpachoo on November 27, 2007, 11:16:47 PM
There is also this where someone is thinks he is Kira

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-11-27/police-reach-dead-end-in-belgian-manga-murder-case
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: aznmagic2015 on November 27, 2007, 11:20:42 PM
Lollerskates...it IS really sad...
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: PyronIkari on November 27, 2007, 11:43:04 PM
Uhm... although they're over-reacting, it's not as hillarious and joking as you people seem to think it is.

It's basically a death threat, or a wish of death. It's basically stating "i wish x person was dead" in that sense, and it is supposed to be taken seriously in that sense.

Books like that have been confiscated and a problem for decades, things like this went on in the 50's. People would write in books about who they hated, and who they wish would die.

The majority of the time, these were written by unbalanced kids, and they had different psychotic tendencies(please understand the defenition of psychotic if you're going to reply about it). Even in that interview, his "friend" pretty much says that he is these things. Is it something that should be taken literally, as if he is trying to kill them? No, but it does show that he's an unbalanced kid that thinks he would be happier if people died, and that is a serious issue.

But you guys laugh at it, sure it's kinda funny that they're over-reacting, but it is still a serious matter.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: otakuapprentice on November 28, 2007, 12:30:15 AM
You can see it for yourself =P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJF1No5JQPQ&feature=related
it is somewhat funny due to their overreacting, but incidents like this don't get caught all the time, while some of them aren't jokes at all, and then you end up having another school shooting being reported about on the news.

Finding kids with a "death note/hit list" is more common now than it was 10 years ago(even then people were caught with something similar), so seeing it in this fashion(it being loosely tied to the DN manga) might seem like a joke, but it definitely isn't going to be taken that way.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: G.I.R on November 28, 2007, 12:52:30 AM
Yeah, funny like a fake bomb threat.  Overreacting? Maybe.  But after recent school killings, both here in the U.S. and abroad, this has to be taken seriously.  Ignoring a potential threat could be very costly in lives.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: Jun-Watarase on November 28, 2007, 04:21:21 AM
Uhm... although they're over-reacting, it's not as hillarious and joking as you people seem to think it is.

But you guys laugh at it, sure it's kinda funny that they're over-reacting, but it is still a serious matter.

I admit... it is a serious issue.

BUT IT'S STILL PRETTY FUNNY. XD
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: Lisu on November 28, 2007, 05:48:36 AM
I would have preferred it to be some punk who's laughing at the teachers reaction and can fully explain the wit of the situation, rather than some unstable kid that gives a number of groups a really bad name.


ha ha
Death Note = GTA of anime?

if you know what I mean...
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: JohnnyAR on November 28, 2007, 06:26:51 AM
God damn kid, another person in the world giving anime a bad or making it look bad. But yeah they are over reacting over this, I understand that there's people he wants dead, so do I (not like I'm going to kill them), but he really shouldn't have it at school, mabye he should keep it at home and at least do it.


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Death Note = GTA of anime?

Oh god don't even give me that thought, if that happend and people were trying to sew for this, Hellsing would be next, but it's least likely since the TV show isn't on TV anymore and the OVA's don't go on TV.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: JohnnyAR on November 28, 2007, 06:32:33 AM
This is why I wanna move out of this country because the country gets too strict and serious about this kind of stuff. In Japan they have a law where normal citizens aren't allowed to have a firearms, but only cops are. And since its Japan they won't go as crazy as america does in this incedent. Geez I would be pissed if people sued over this! God if it does then I'm gonna bust in during the trial and TRY to set things right.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: JohnnyAR on November 28, 2007, 06:36:00 AM
Wait when did this happen? was it recently?
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: PyronIkari on November 28, 2007, 06:38:04 AM
This is why I wanna move out of this country because the country gets too strict and serious about this kind of stuff. In Japan they have a law where normal citizens aren't allowed to have a firearms, but only cops are. And since its Japan they won't go as crazy as america does in this incedent. Geez I would be pissed if people sued over this! God if it does then I'm gonna bust in during the trial and TRY to set things right.

Cops don't have firearms, only specific members and higher ups are allowed to carry firearms. Please refrain from speaking about "how Japan" does things, I'm fairly certain you don't really know how things there work, and honestly... the state over there concerning a lot of surrounding events are HORRIBLE compared to the state in the US.

They're over-reacting by having a news cast about it, and pointing so much attention to the "death note" portion, instead of looking at it for what it is, an unbalanced teenager that may need some help.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: JohnnyAR on November 28, 2007, 06:53:13 AM
Uhm... although they're over-reacting, it's not as hillarious and joking as you people seem to think it is.

It's basically a death threat, or a wish of death. It's basically stating "i wish x person was dead" in that sense, and it is supposed to be taken seriously in that sense.

Books like that have been confiscated and a problem for decades, things like this went on in the 50's. People would write in books about who they hated, and who they wish would die.

The majority of the time, these were written by unbalanced kids, and they had different psychotic tendencies(please understand the defenition of psychotic if you're going to reply about it). Even in that interview, his "friend" pretty much says that he is these things. Is it something that should be taken literally, as if he is trying to kill them? No, but it does show that he's an unbalanced kid that thinks he would be happier if people died, and that is a serious issue.

But you guys laugh at it, sure it's kinda funny that they're over-reacting, but it is still a serious matter.


I don't know whats so funny about them over reacting, its just another thing to give anime a bad name. But your right about the unbalanced kid thing.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: JohnnyAR on November 28, 2007, 06:59:51 AM
This is why I wanna move out of this country because the country gets too strict and serious about this kind of stuff. In Japan they have a law where normal citizens aren't allowed to have a firearms, but only cops are. And since its Japan they won't go as crazy as america does in this incedent. Geez I would be pissed if people sued over this! God if it does then I'm gonna bust in during the trial and TRY to set things right.

Cops don't have firearms, only specific members and higher ups are allowed to carry firearms. Please refrain from speaking about "how Japan" does things, I'm fairly certain you don't really know how things there work, and honestly... the state over there concerning a lot of surrounding events are HORRIBLE compared to the state in the US.

They're over-reacting by having a news cast about it, and pointing so much attention to the "death note" portion, instead of looking at it for what it is, an unbalanced teenager that may need some help.

oh yeah huh? I noticed the same thing, they don't even care about the kid, just about what he was influenced by. How much you wanna bet that they are gonna have a special on 'How the influence anime has on people'  this makes me so mad. Imagine how the kid feels, although I shouldn't call him kid because I'm in high school too and he's probably older than me.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: PyronIkari on November 28, 2007, 07:03:31 AM
You're not doing a good job either at showing how "anime influences kids".
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: JohnnyAR on November 28, 2007, 07:06:48 AM
Damn -_- I suck at this stuff, imagine if I was a lawyer. I would lose my job on the spot
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: Jun-Watarase on November 28, 2007, 07:07:45 AM
I'm... not trying to control the forums or anything, but can you keep everything in one post? If you want to change something about it, make use of the "modify" function to edit. Thanks.

As for everything that was said above... no comment. Seriously. No... comment.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: Jerry on November 28, 2007, 08:03:41 AM
this is definately up to debate:

I'm sure at some point ppl get upset and think or feel to need to wish someone was dead...

something ppl think in a court of law, that once you write down 'notes' or a plan you would think its considered as pre-meditated or something...

then again some ppl leave it bottled up in their heads... go to a post office during the holidays and go "postal" blowing away innocent civilians...

i think i lost my point, but i suppose its based on LOTS of factors like intent, the person's 'usual' activities, mental stability, family, and hobbies etc, etc... then theres always the WTF factor when little sweet billy just snaps one day...

first video games, now anime will be the blame of why good kids go bad?

doh, just when you thought things were gonna be ok, they have to attack another one of my favorite hobbies.

whats next?

Breasts outlawed? I'd cry if they past that law.  :-[
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: DemonLordZabuza on November 28, 2007, 10:25:11 AM
Thoughts:

-its only illegal till you get caught  :P
-parents its ok to beat beat your kids so they know better
-great another kid become a statistic

I find this whole thing hillarious.  Incidents like just add more on how anime is bad for kids, or video games promote violence.  In all truth is the parents fault for not teaching their kids right :P...and remember now its only funny until someone losses and eye, then its hillarious :D
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: Shinsengumi on November 28, 2007, 10:32:00 AM
after watch this clip, that's just funny and sad at the same time , they souldn't be blaming this on the anime. I would blame the parents for this.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: otakuapprentice on November 28, 2007, 01:18:56 PM
Uhm... although they're over-reacting, it's not as hillarious and joking as you people seem to think it is.

It's basically a death threat, or a wish of death. It's basically stating "i wish x person was dead" in that sense, and it is supposed to be taken seriously in that sense.

Books like that have been confiscated and a problem for decades, things like this went on in the 50's. People would write in books about who they hated, and who they wish would die.

The majority of the time, these were written by unbalanced kids, and they had different psychotic tendencies(please understand the defenition of psychotic if you're going to reply about it). Even in that interview, his "friend" pretty much says that he is these things. Is it something that should be taken literally, as if he is trying to kill them? No, but it does show that he's an unbalanced kid that thinks he would be happier if people died, and that is a serious issue.

But you guys laugh at it, sure it's kinda funny that they're over-reacting, but it is still a serious matter.


I don't know whats so funny about them over reacting, its just another thing to give anime a bad name. But your right about the unbalanced kid thing.
the unbalanced kid thing is pretty much right on the dot, but the whole 'blaming anime/giving it a bad name' is with its faults; the DN manga/anime is simply connected to the incident, not in any way responsible for it. Nevertheless, it is still connected to it, so it will be blamed in one way or another.

At least its not video games this time; i would love to see how Jack Thompson would try to spin this, but i don't think he has the time(seeing as how he's gonna be on trial soon to try and prove all the crap he's said so far...)
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: JohnnyAR on November 28, 2007, 03:51:56 PM
this is definately up to debate:

I'm sure at some point ppl get upset and think or feel to need to wish someone was dead...

something ppl think in a court of law, that once you write down 'notes' or a plan you would think its considered as pre-meditated or something...

then again some ppl leave it bottled up in their heads... go to a post office during the holidays and go "postal" blowing away innocent civilians...

i think i lost my point, but i suppose its based on LOTS of factors like intent, the person's 'usual' activities, mental stability, family, and hobbies etc, etc... then theres always the WTF factor when little sweet billy just snaps one day...

first video games, now anime will be the blame of why good kids go bad?

doh, just when you thought things were gonna be ok, they have to attack another one of my favorite hobbies.

whats next?

Breasts outlawed? I'd cry if they past that law.  :-[


Exactly
                   
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: zoupzuop2 on November 28, 2007, 03:58:26 PM
Speaking of Jack Thompson, I wonder if anyone sent him any free H-Games during the whole Hot Coffee ordeal. Just the thought of his reaction would be too hilarious...
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: JohnnyAR on November 28, 2007, 04:05:30 PM
Speaking of Jack Thompson, I wonder if anyone sent him any free H-Games during the whole Hot Coffee ordeal. Just the thought of his reaction would be too hilarious...


Alright I don't get it. Who's Jack Thompson? What'd this guy do? What Hot Coffee Ordeal? How are H-Games involved in this?
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: otakuapprentice on November 28, 2007, 04:13:24 PM
Speaking of Jack Thompson, I wonder if anyone sent him any free H-Games during the whole Hot Coffee ordeal. Just the thought of his reaction would be too hilarious...


Alright I don't get it. Who's Jack Thompson? What'd this guy do? What Hot Coffee Ordeal? How are H-Games involved in this?
just google his name, and it'll answer your question.

H-games aren't involved; it's just a reference Zoup decided to make that isn't tied to this whatsoever.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: Braveheart on November 28, 2007, 04:52:23 PM
wow random thread
ok here are my thoughts...

I don't blame the school for reacting as they did. With our Country's recent history of school shootings I think it is totaly appropriate to suspend the kid and inform the parents. If you have a "Death Note" book and you are writing names in it you should leave it at home. If I was a parent and my kid came home and said little johnny sitting next to him had a "Death Note" notebook and had the names of all the teachers and his classmates in it I would freak. It's a sad statement of the time we live in but school tragedies have become so common place any sign of hostility in the classroom can not be tolerated.

With that said I agree anime should not be blamed for this, but of course the media is going to blame the anime they always blame something. It's easier to say little Johnny was influenced and corrupted by this evil empire of Manga instead of saying woah why isn't this kid in therapy. People have come to believe that protecting our children means pretending that nothing is wrong and making excuses for their behavior. Too often children are not held responcible for their actions both by the parents and the authorities. If a kid steals a pair of shoes what is going to happen? The store is not going to persue them because they are afraid of being sued by the parents. If the store does catch them usually the police just releases them to the parents. If the parents don't dicipline them they just learned that they can break the law and get away with it.

<unrelated rant>
The best way to prevent a kid from picking up a gun and either hurting themselves or others is to put a gun in their hands at a young age. Teach them to respect firearms and that firearms kill. Teach them about death instead of sheltering them from it, and then instill into them a respect for life.
</unrelated rant>

::edited:: corrected spelling
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: PyronIkari on November 28, 2007, 05:55:13 PM
this is definately up to debate:

I'm sure at some point ppl get upset and think or feel to need to wish someone was dead...

something ppl think in a court of law, that once you write down 'notes' or a plan you would think its considered as pre-meditated or something...

then again some ppl leave it bottled up in their heads... go to a post office during the holidays and go "postal" blowing away innocent civilians...

i think i lost my point, but i suppose its based on LOTS of factors like intent, the person's 'usual' activities, mental stability, family, and hobbies etc, etc... then theres always the WTF factor when little sweet billy just snaps one day...

first video games, now anime will be the blame of why good kids go bad?

doh, just when you thought things were gonna be ok, they have to attack another one of my favorite hobbies.

whats next?

Breasts outlawed? I'd cry if they past that law.  :-[

The ones that bottle it up and end up losing it... are usually psychotic in nature and have mental issues. Same with the people that feel the need to write down the names of people they wish were dead.

You guys are missing the point just like the news people are. They're making a big deal out of the origins of the death note, you guys are making a big deal out of them making a big deal out of the origins of the death note.

And then the easy thing to do, blame the parents. Apparently you guys don't remember jr. high and high school(or rather are still in it, and don't believe). It's easy to put on a mask to your parents and hide things. It's easy to make them believe something about you that is completely false. For all you know, his parents are great parents and do everything they're supposed to do. Maybe it's the kids fault... for hiding his problems. Maybe his parents ask if anything is wrong, and are trying to help him, and he says things are fine with a smile, then goes to his room.

The fact of the matter is, if you're at the point where a simple feeling of anger, turns into wishing someone was dead, and writing it down as a solid fact... it is premeditated. It means it's something you wished to happen and it's proof that you wanted to do it. It's undeniable the name is written down as a proclaimation of "You wish they died".

It IS a lot of factors, and you guys do no better than the media by pointing the finger and blaming the parents. Just like they blindly point at games, or anime. This kid might be getting beat up/bullied/robbed at school. This kid might actually be clinically psychotic. There's lots of issues and lots of problems. Frankly, you CAN'T make a good assessment on this situation due to the lack of facts that a single news report gave. Talking about the real problems isn't news though, it's just another messed up kid in school, there's usually a dozen or so in each grade of each school.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: otakuapprentice on November 28, 2007, 06:24:09 PM
The ones that bottle it up and end up losing it... are usually psychotic in nature and have mental issues. Same with the people that feel the need to write down the names of people they wish were dead.

You guys are missing the point just like the news people are. They're making a big deal out of the origins of the death note, you guys are making a big deal out of them making a big deal out of the origins of the death note.

And then the easy thing to do, blame the parents. Apparently you guys don't remember jr. high and high school(or rather are still in it, and don't believe). It's easy to put on a mask to your parents and hide things. It's easy to make them believe something about you that is completely false. For all you know, his parents are great parents and do everything they're supposed to do. Maybe it's the kids fault... for hiding his problems. Maybe his parents ask if anything is wrong, and are trying to help him, and he says things are fine with a smile, then goes to his room.

The fact of the matter is, if you're at the point where a simple feeling of anger, turns into wishing someone was dead, and writing it down as a solid fact... it is premeditated. It means it's something you wished to happen and it's proof that you wanted to do it. It's undeniable the name is written down as a proclaimation of "You wish they died".

It IS a lot of factors, and you guys do no better than the media by pointing the finger and blaming the parents. Just like they blindly point at games, or anime. This kid might be getting beat up/bullied/robbed at school. This kid might actually be clinically psychotic. There's lots of issues and lots of problems. Frankly, you CAN'T make a good assessment on this situation due to the lack of facts that a single news report gave. Talking about the real problems isn't news though, it's just another messed up kid in school, there's usually a dozen or so in each grade of each school.
after going back and viewing the video clip(trying to see if there's anything i missed), they called it a book, not a 'manga/graphic novel'.

blaming the parents is right up there with blaming music, games, books, television, movies, etc.(pretty much all types of media can be blamed), except for the fact that the parents arent as likely to be blamed as everything else is, since the exposure to these different types of media is much greater.

good case in point is what happened at VTech: after it happened, one of the main things that was blamed for influencing the gunman was videogames(it's retarded how they call counterstrike a 'murder simulator'), yet they found out that he had no games AFTER they did the investigation, making it a baseless claim; Back when Columbine happened, it was music that was to blame(although they had evidence that he listened to Marilyn Manson and similar artists, but that doesnt prove that it influenced what happened that day).

If he had names of people in there, that would mean that they did something to him(either they bullied him, beat him up, made fun of him, etc.) to have their names put there in the first place, which means it is them that should be blamed for driving the person to that point.

Yes, he could just be clinically psychotic, but that probably isn't going to be taken into account at the beginning of the incident; what they can see/find will.

Better that they caught it now before we hear of X number of students/faculty getting shot later down the line.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: Jun-Watarase on November 28, 2007, 06:44:30 PM
<unrelated rant>
The best way to prevent a kid from picking up a gun and either hurting themselves or others is to put a gun in their hands at a young age. Teach them to respect firearms and that firearms kill. Teach them about death instead of sheltering them from it, and then instill into them a respect for life.
</unrelated rant>

DUDE. I REALLY hope you don't do this when you're a parent. I'm not going to tell you how to raise your kid, but the idea of it is pretty scary. You don't have to take my word for this, since I'm just effing crazy, but if my parents taught me to use a gun, I would've shot some bully or something when I was younger. Life is valuable and respectable, right? Meaning, I caused someone I didn't like to lose something valuable that I didn't think he deserved.

There are plenty of other ways to teach life, man. Show him The Iron Giant or something. He'll learn about firearms, life, giant robots, and everything. That movie is just awesome. =)

Any word I have to say on the related subject has already been said. No point in just repeating.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: otakuapprentice on November 28, 2007, 06:48:49 PM
"Here Timmy, i'm gonna show you how to use a gun."


Yea.........not the best approach at all IMHO.

Wanna instill into your kid a respect for life? Show them all the horrible, disgusting, inexcusable things that have happened throughout the course of history, as well as what's currently happening in the world. That should be WAY better than handing a kid a pistol.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: PyronIkari on November 28, 2007, 06:49:14 PM
after going back and viewing the video clip(trying to see if there's anything i missed), they called it a book, not a 'manga/graphic novel'.

blaming the parents is right up there with blaming music, games, books, television, movies, etc.(pretty much all types of media can be blamed), except for the fact that the parents arent as likely to be blamed as everything else is, since the exposure to these different types of media is much greater.

good case in point is what happened at VTech: after it happened, one of the main things that was blamed for influencing the gunman was videogames(it's retarded how they call counterstrike a 'murder simulator'), yet they found out that he had no games AFTER they did the investigation, making it a baseless claim; Back when Columbine happened, it was music that was to blame(although they had evidence that he listened to Marilyn Manson and similar artists, but that doesnt prove that it influenced what happened that day).

If he had names of people in there, that would mean that they did something to him(either they bullied him, beat him up, made fun of him, etc.) to have their names put there in the first place, which means it is them that should be blamed for driving the person to that point.

Yes, he could just be clinically psychotic, but that probably isn't going to be taken into account at the beginning of the incident; what they can see/find will.

Better that they caught it now before we hear of X number of students/faculty getting shot later down the line.

Ugh... just... ugh.

The mass public wants a reason->cause. A simple thing they can point the blame at. Whether it be music/games/movies/comics/parents/brother/bullies any one thing they can point the blame at. You don't help by victimizing the person at fault here. Lines like how you think they were written in the book for a reason, is kind of bull. For all you know, they did nothing but be popular, or have a life he wish he had.

Columbine, Doom was to blame. The kids from that incident loved the game Doom, it wasn't the music that was the focal point.

People need to start taking responsibility for their actions though. Everyone can blame environment, or a book, or music, or their parents, or games, or movies, or cartoons, or friends, or alcohol, or drugs, or bullies, or anything in the world that you want...

But in the end it's the person that does it that is to blame. No one forced the kids from Columbine to pick up guns and shoot classmates. No one forced the VTech guy to start killing people(and if you actually know about his family life... his family was very good to him). It's their fault. Just like you can't blame a alcohol for drunk driving... it was HIS FAULT for drinking and deciding to drive.

I said this a long time ago. You can tell the difference between someone who kills because of the influence of games, and who doesn't, based on how they do the killing. What makes killing things in game isn't so much killing them, it's the style and awesomeness of how you do it. Anyone can point a handgun or a rifle and shoot someone, that's not game influenced. Game influenced... is... dual pistols sneaking up behind someone and assassinating them. Or kicking a door down and shotgunning someone.

Or how if I were to do it, if I was stupid and nuts. I'd get a halberd... and a horse(or motorcycle) driving into the shool and start hacking away sangoku musou style and try to build up my musou meter, then light my halberd on fire and activate it and start owning up.

That's how you know it's a video game influenced murder... because it's stupid and over the top just to be awesome.

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The best way to prevent a kid from picking up a gun and either hurting themselves or others is to put a gun in their hands at a young age. Teach them to respect firearms and that firearms kill. Teach them about death instead of sheltering them from it, and then instill into them a respect for life.
This sickened me a bit. To prevent a kid from picking up a gun and either hurting themselves or others, they need to respect themselves and others, over respecting the firearms and that firearms kill. If the kid doesn't respect the life he's shooting then it won't make a difference if they understand that the bullet they fire will end the life of another. These kids understand death, and understand life, it's that they don't care. It's that they don't care about the lives they're ending.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: JohnnyAR on November 28, 2007, 07:34:49 PM
"Here Timmy, i'm gonna show you how to use a gun."


Yea.........not the best approach at all IMHO.

Wanna instill into your kid a respect for life? Show them all the horrible, disgusting, inexcusable things that have happened throughout the course of history, as well as what's currently happening in the world. That should be WAY better than handing a kid a pistol.

Oh Oh Oh, I know some good examples, Vlad the Impaler he's friggen nuts, I actually started a thread a short while ago. Look google him and check every friggen thing there is, gruesome stuff! The middle ages is a good part of history. Gore, gore, gore, sex, blood, war, and more gore!
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: JohnnyAR on November 28, 2007, 07:42:56 PM
after going back and viewing the video clip(trying to see if there's anything i missed), they called it a book, not a 'manga/graphic novel'.

good case in point is what happened at VTech: after it happened, one of the main things that was blamed for influencing the gunman was videogames(it's retarded how they call counterstrike a 'murder simulator'), yet they found out that he had no games AFTER they did the investigation, making it a baseless claim; Back when Columbine happened, it was music that was to blame(although they had evidence that he listened to Marilyn Manson and similar artists, but that doesnt prove that it influenced what happened that day).

If he had names of people in there, that would mean that they did something to him(either they bullied him, beat him up, made fun of him, etc.) to have their names put there in the first place, which means it is them that should be blamed for driving the person to that point.

Yes, he could just be clinically psychotic, but that probably isn't going to be taken into account at the beginning of the incident; what they can see/find will.

Better that they caught it now before we hear of X number of students/faculty getting shot later down the line.

Ugh... just... ugh.

The mass public wants a reason->cause. A simple thing they can point the blame at. Whether it be music/games/movies/comics/parents/brother/bullies any one thing they can point the blame at. You don't help by victimizing the person at fault here. Lines like how you think they were written in the book for a reason, is kind of bull. For all you know, they did nothing but be popular, or have a life he wish he had.

Columbine, Doom was to blame. The kids from that incident loved the game Doom, it wasn't the music that was the focal point.

People need to start taking responsibility for their actions though. Everyone can blame environment, or a book, or music, or their parents, or games, or movies, or cartoons, or friends, or alcohol, or drugs, or bullies, or anything in the world that you want...

But in the end it's the person that does it that is to blame. No one forced the kids from Columbine to pick up guns and shoot classmates. No one forced the VTech guy to start killing people(and if you actually know about his family life... his family was very good to him). It's their fault. Just like you can't blame a alcohol for drunk driving... it was HIS FAULT for drinking and deciding to drive.

I said this a long time ago. You can tell the difference between someone who kills because of the influence of games, and who doesn't, based on how they do the killing. What makes killing things in game isn't so much killing them, it's the style and awesomeness of how you do it. Anyone can point a handgun or a rifle and shoot someone, that's not game influenced. Game influenced... is... dual pistols sneaking up behind someone and assassinating them. Or kicking a door down and shotgunning someone.

Or how if I were to do it, if I was stupid and nuts. I'd get a halberd... and a horse(or motorcycle) driving into the shool and start hacking away sangoku musou style and try to build up my musou meter, then light my halberd on fire and activate it and start owning up.

That's how you know it's a video game influenced murder... because it's stupid and over the top just to be awesome.

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The best way to prevent a kid from picking up a gun and either hurting themselves or others is to put a gun in their hands at a young age. Teach them to respect firearms and that firearms kill. Teach them about death instead of sheltering them from it, and then instill into them a respect for life.
This sickened me a bit. To prevent a kid from picking up a gun and either hurting themselves or others, they need to respect themselves and others, over respecting the firearms and that firearms kill. If the kid doesn't respect the life he's shooting then it won't make a difference if they understand that the bullet they fire will end the life of another. These kids understand death, and understand life, it's that they don't care. It's that they don't care about the lives they're ending.


*nods in agreement* Yup, there's people I hate but I wouldn't want them dead, just to be taught a lesson.

What was the Columbine thing? When did it happen?

I heard about the V-tech.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: FinalShadows on November 28, 2007, 07:47:18 PM
Lol JohnnyAR, not to be mean, but are you having a slight trouble of putting your double posts in a single post? I think Jun-Watarase addressed that earlier =P
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: PyronIkari on November 28, 2007, 07:51:27 PM

*nods in agreement* Yup, there's people I hate but I wouldn't want them dead, just to be taught a lesson.

What was the Columbine thing? When did it happen?

I heard about the V-tech.

... Please stop replying. I'm asking nicely... please please please stop replying. You're acting like an 8 year old that's had a cup of coffee and a bag of skittles. You can google the Columbine incident. Please stop acting like a spazzing child and post coherent thoughts and views.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: JohnnyAR on November 28, 2007, 07:52:45 PM
I apologize
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: Braveheart on November 29, 2007, 11:58:03 AM
I forget how young this board is.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: Lizchan33 on November 29, 2007, 12:22:58 PM
This news is old.... it's happened before somewhere else too..... It's expected to happen sometimes.....
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: aznmagic2015 on November 29, 2007, 01:13:16 PM
I think it happened in Mainland China and South Korea half a year ago or something.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: Braveheart on November 29, 2007, 02:32:16 PM
This news is old.... it's happened before somewhere else too..... It's expected to happen sometimes.....
/agree

Nothing Is New

Nothing is new
Under the sun;
Into the sea
The waters run;
Back they are brought
Unto their sources,
Only again
To run their courses.
 
Thought, as well,
Never is new;
Thoughts of our own
Are but a review
Of other thoughts
Of long ago,
That down through time
Like rivers flow.
 
Over and over
The waters run;
Nothing is new
Under the sun.
Over and over,
Ages through,
Thought is rehearsed,
For nothing is new. 

Quillings In Verse
John Edward Everett
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: AnimeEmperor on November 29, 2007, 02:50:11 PM
Sounds like something that i'd get in trouble for. XP
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: Dagger-6 on November 29, 2007, 09:16:10 PM
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DUDE. I REALLY hope you don't do this when you're a parent. I'm not going to tell you how to raise your kid, but the idea of it is pretty scary.
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"Here Timmy, i'm gonna show you how to use a gun."


Yea.........not the best approach at all IMHO.

There are plenty of countries where youth have high exposure to guns and develop along socially normal lines.  Canada is one example, and so is Switzerland.

As far as annecdotal evidence, for every person that says they would have done something violent if they knew how to use a gun, there are plenty of examples of people who do know how to use a firearm and don't use it for violence.

Having people be knowledgeable about firearms is more useful in preventing the accidental firearms deaths that commonly occur.

Again, teaching them about firearms won't encourage/discourage violent tendencies.  Whether a person knows about weapons doesn't really affect how they view human life.  That is a separate life lesson.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: BrightHeart76 on November 29, 2007, 10:33:01 PM
Obviously I'm only one person and my personal experiences only apply to me, but I'll present them as a single example.  Use them or ignore at your own discretion.

I was raised knowing how to use a gun.  As soon as I was big enough to handle the recoil of a gun my parents took me out and put one in my hands at a target range, I think I was 7 the first time I had to shoot.  My family doesn't hunt, we don't shoot for sport, but my parents felt it best to have guns in the house for protection.  They felt that it was better for me to know what those guns where and what they did and how to use them properly from the very begining. 

Once a year until I was probably 14 we went out and renewed the lessons.  And let me say, I HATE guns, I hate shooting guns, I hate the smell, I hate the recoil, I hate the knowledge of what that gun could do if I screw up. 

Now imagine.  I am not a pretty person (photographic evidence available in the things in the universe thread).  I am short with fuzzy hair, a lisp and on top of it all I walk like a duck.  Add to that I've been a nerd since I was very young, and grew up poor in a very rich area (Lake Tahoe).  Was I tortured and humiliated as a kid?  YOU BET!  I've been pushed down, beat up, yelled at, laughed at, had kids follow me around my school with scissors to cut my hair off, you name it.  And not just by the kids, you'd be surprised what adults will say to kids.  All because I wasn't "normal".

So I am a person who was raised knowing HOW to use guns.  Knowing WHERE to find easily available guns.  And I was a social outcast humiliated by my peers and teachers.  I fit the description of a dangerous kid. 

Did I ever, even for a second, CONCIDER an act of voilence against ANY of these people?  No.  Don't get me wrong, I hated them.  I cried for years.  I'm SURE it's where my Social Anxiety Disorder comes from.  But I would never, even for a second, concider hurting them.  It's just not worth the toll on my soul to sink to their levels.

Sigh..I'm way off the point.  I don't see it as morally irresponsible to teach kids about guns.  Infact, I agree that in some cases it can be a benefit.  I think it is very important that kids have some knowledge of guns.  If not practical working knowledge at least an introduction.  It's like cigarettes and sex, if a parent doesn't teach their kid you don't know where they'll get their information or the quatlity of that information.  As much as I hated it, I did learn a lot because I was forced to use those guns.  It didn't change how I value life, it simply made me aware of how dangerous a weapon can be.

I DO think it's the responsiblity of the individual to take the lessons of their life and make good choices for their future.  The kid in the original story was in high school, more than old enough to know better.  I would be worried if I saw someone using a book like that and writing "DeathNote" style messages in it.  It would be very sad if the seriousness of his actions was overlooked because it's similar to a manga.  I hope that this person is getting help now.

However, like I said.  These are my opinions, based on my experiences.  They don't always hold true for everyone. 
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: Jun-Watarase on November 30, 2007, 04:42:46 AM
I'm okay with the idea of teaching my kid how to operate guns and firearms-- but I'd do it just for that reason, rather than using that knowledge to introduce the value of life and understanding death. It's almost a completely different perspective. I understand that MOST kids, if raised typically by most standards, that are given the responsibility of knowing how to use a gun, they'd most likely never shoot anyone... They would most likely already understand life and death, and the damage guns and firearms can do.

"The best way to prevent a kid from picking up a gun and either hurting themselves or others is to put a gun in their hands at a young age. Teach them to respect firearms and that firearms kill. Teach them about death instead of sheltering them from it, and then instill into them a respect for life." is what Braveheart had said.

I might've over-analyzed the first time I read this, but I had the impression that guns were going to used as a medium to teach the value of life. If we were taught to respect life through guns, I'd interpret as life being worthy to those that deserve respect. (Not that I think this way, myself.) But I suppose I'd only suspect a kid to think this way if they were heavily influenced by their parents.

Kids aren't extremely sheltered, now-a-days. I'm sure they'd learn about life, death, and humanity (though, it's deteriorating...) through other people, school, media, and etc. I'm not against the idea of teaching a kid how to use a gun, but I am a bit iffy on the idea of teaching about life through guns-- different people interpret it in different ways. As for exposure to violence, I'd show them a scary/violent movie, but not for a life lesson or just exposing them to violence... just entertainment.

I'd still say The Iron Giant is the movie for that. Gooood movie...
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: FinalShadows on November 30, 2007, 01:32:35 PM

I'd still say The Iron Giant is the movie for that. Gooood movie...

I definitely agree... just don't like seeing it rerunned 5 times a day on Cartoon Network lol
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: mDuo13 on December 04, 2007, 07:24:39 PM
Hmm. Yeah, without knowing the context of the show, this can seem particularly incriminating. If the person actually wishes his Death Note were to work, then there are problems. I'm not convinced that's the case here based on only a short news clip.

Funny thing, though, it's not giving anime a bad name because the clip pretty much glossed over the manga and anime, and instead focused on the website.

Honestly, though, a senior in high school ought to know better.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: FinalShadows on December 04, 2007, 07:52:14 PM
I was watching this one documentary this other day, which was talking about the Columbine High School Shooting.

Apparently, since that day, there were students who were suspended from school for a possible "upbringing" of an offensive violence, such as pointing a fake paper gun at someone, threatening the teacher, even cussing. The video shows a 2nd grader suspended from an elementary school in Colorado because he made a fake paper gun.

At least people after the Columbine High School Shooting got Walmart to stop selling ammunition =P
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: aznmagic2015 on December 04, 2007, 10:44:53 PM


I definitely agree... just don't like seeing it rerunned 5 times a day on Cartoon Network lol

Lol 5 times a day...I remember a day in summer when I was High School where they showed Iron Giant NON STOP for a day.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: JohnnyAR on December 05, 2007, 06:25:24 AM


I definitely agree... just don't like seeing it rerunned 5 times a day on Cartoon Network lol

Lol 5 times a day...I remember a day in summer when I was High School where they showed Iron Giant NON STOP for a day.

My god that was so friggin annoying, what do they think they can accomplish by showing THE same movie all day?
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: FinalShadows on December 05, 2007, 06:29:56 PM


I definitely agree... just don't like seeing it rerunned 5 times a day on Cartoon Network lol

Lol 5 times a day...I remember a day in summer when I was High School where they showed Iron Giant NON STOP for a day.

My god that was so friggin annoying, what do they think they can accomplish by showing THE same movie all day?

Sympathy for machines. At least now we wont be hating Super Huge Giant Robots when they appear...
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: JohnnyAR on December 06, 2007, 07:09:49 AM
No one won't want to mess with Japan within the next 100 years or so, because by then they'll have Mobile Suit Gundam military units made and ready to go!
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: Jun-Watarase on December 06, 2007, 07:11:51 AM
I totally regret... bringing up the Iron Giant, now. Thanks.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: JohnnyAR on December 06, 2007, 07:13:22 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: FinalShadows on December 06, 2007, 09:15:42 AM
I totally regret... bringing up the Iron Giant, now. Thanks.

Did you say something about the Iron Giant?  ???
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: XpHoBiaX on December 09, 2007, 09:49:58 PM
It's society's fualt. You keep harassing someone and they will fight back. Sometimes, just loosing a job and having a bunch of other unfortunate events can make a person loose it.
The world isn't a nice place, and not everyone is a strong person that can pull through the shit that life flings at you. Or they are strong, and just suddenly break down.

Yeah, we have to be on our guard nowadays... but the blame shouldn't be put on tv, movies, music, etc. For the most part, it starts with us. It's starts in the families, and the people we are around. Yeah you can't help or change everyone. But a smile and a thankyou goes a long way. Taking the time to open that door for someone, or just being there for a troubled friend or sibling does go a long way. People just don't do that anymore, and rather  be biligerant asses.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: Dagger-6 on December 09, 2007, 10:47:56 PM
Puppies.

That's the solution.

Puppies.

(http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/images/2007/11/08/oh_noes.jpg)

Either that or:

(http://blog.instantcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/robotdiesel.jpg)

I'm sorry.  I'll go back to studying now.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: XpHoBiaX on December 10, 2007, 06:43:02 PM
That was so random. WIN
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: Crazy_Saiko on December 12, 2007, 02:52:45 PM
win
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: PyronIkari on December 12, 2007, 04:08:13 PM
Congrats at degrading a semi-serious thread to image macros and /b/.

-_-
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: bunnycorpse on December 13, 2007, 09:43:35 PM
that's really messed up, you cant suspend a person for wishing death upon a person. It doesn't meen anything's actually gonna happen. That's seems like something that could possibly be protected by the constitution, the whole free speech thing.
Hell, i've been wishing people dead since i was in the second grade; drawing pictures of people and stabbing them with forks- it's a good stress release. ;D
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: FinalShadows on December 13, 2007, 09:47:33 PM
that's really messed up, you cant suspend a person for wishing death upon a person. It doesn't meen anything's actually gonna happen. That's seems like something that could possibly be protected by the constitution, the whole free speech thing.
Hell, i've been wishing people dead since i was in the second grade; drawing pictures of people and stabbing them with forks- it's a good stress release. ;D

Lol, its their way of relating:

Stopping the upbringing of hate = no violence
               they take it as:
Stopping the attempted suicide = no suicide
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: PyronIkari on December 13, 2007, 11:09:01 PM
that's really messed up, you cant suspend a person for wishing death upon a person. It doesn't meen anything's actually gonna happen. That's seems like something that could possibly be protected by the constitution, the whole free speech thing.
Hell, i've been wishing people dead since i was in the second grade; drawing pictures of people and stabbing them with forks- it's a good stress release. ;D
You people REALLY need to understand what "freedom of speech" entails if you're going to throw it around like this.

Wishing death upon someone in itself isn't against the law. Drawing pictures of them or writing their name in a book with the basis like that hoever, isn't the same as "I hope you get run over". It's basically a death threat or a proclaimation of "If I could kill you, then I would" which is very much against the law.

And frankly... if the only way you can relieve stress is by drawing pictures of you killing someone that "upsets" you... then holy crap I feel sorry for you, and suggest you seek professional help. That's anything BUT a healthy mentallity.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: Raydere on December 14, 2007, 03:11:33 AM
that's really messed up, you cant suspend a person for wishing death upon a person. [...] That's seems like something that could possibly be protected by the constitution, the whole free speech thing.
I suppose these also qualify as being protected by the First Amendment:
- Terrorist threats, right after 9/11
- School shooting threats, right after Colombine or VT
- Dropping the F-bomb on a policeman
- Publishing slanderous, made-up rumors in a newspaper
- Revealing top-secret government secrets
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: Jun-Watarase on December 14, 2007, 08:21:02 AM
that's really messed up, you cant suspend a person for wishing death upon a person. It doesn't meen anything's actually gonna happen. That's seems like something that could possibly be protected by the constitution, the whole free speech thing.
Hell, i've been wishing people dead since i was in the second grade; drawing pictures of people and stabbing them with forks- it's a good stress release. ;D

Aren't you like... 14 years old? Meaning, you're in high school and should be old enough to understand what the first amendment applies to. Neither you or this kid seem to know better. The freedom to express oneself, isn't against the law, but threats to kill others ARE. There's no reason why a school shouldn't call attention to something that threatens the safety of other students. The school isn't going to think, "Oh. He's just angsty and wants people dead... Doesn't mean he's going to do it!" Yeah. The school could totally take that chance.

A school isn't a democracy. Freedom of expression, and etc don't always apply-- that's why there are bans for certain gestures (Flipping the bird), phrases (Threats or distractions), words (Curse words), and clothing (Provocative, inappropriate, distracting clothing.) Students may make school society with your peers the way it is, but teachers and faculty manage everything within the school. They run the show, and they make the decisions. Students typically aren't mature enough to maintain a sufficient environment like the faculty does. If the faculty sees a problem that could potentially harm others in the school, namely other students, there's no reason why they shouldn't do anything about it. It's their job to protect the school. Really, if it was any worse of a threat, he'd get expelled... not suspended.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: sonyatheunicorn on December 14, 2007, 08:38:59 AM
Crud im using my school computer
ill watch it later
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: aznmagic2015 on December 14, 2007, 08:49:38 PM
I suppose these also qualify as being protected by the First Amendment:
- Terrorist threats, right after 9/11
- School shooting threats, right after Colombine or VT
- Dropping the F-bomb on a policeman
- Publishing slanderous, made-up rumors in a newspaper
- Revealing top-secret government secrets

Actually swearing at the police isn't a crime. People were prosecuted for it before but now some Appeals court overturned it and declared swearing at a police officer is disrespectful but not criminal.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: bunnycorpse on December 14, 2007, 10:36:42 PM
that's really messed up, you cant suspend a person for wishing death upon a person. It doesn't meen anything's actually gonna happen. That's seems like something that could possibly be protected by the constitution, the whole free speech thing.
Hell, i've been wishing people dead since i was in the second grade; drawing pictures of people and stabbing them with forks- it's a good stress release. ;D

Aren't you like... 14 years old? Meaning, you're in high school and should be old enough to understand what the first amendment applies to. Neither you or this kid seem to know better. The freedom to express oneself, isn't against the law, but threats to kill others ARE. There's no reason why a school shouldn't call attention to something that threatens the safety of other students. The school isn't going to think, "Oh. He's just angsty and wants people dead... Doesn't mean he's going to do it!" Yeah. The school could totally take that chance.

A school isn't a democracy. Freedom of expression, and etc don't always apply-- that's why there are bans for certain gestures (Flipping the bird), phrases (Threats or distractions), words (Curse words), and clothing (Provocative, inappropriate, distracting clothing.) Students may make school society with your peers the way it is, but teachers and faculty manage everything within the school. They run the show, and they make the decisions. Students typically aren't mature enough to maintain a sufficient environment like the faculty does. If the faculty sees a problem that could potentially harm others in the school, namely other students, there's no reason why they shouldn't do anything about it. It's their job to protect the school. Really, if it was any worse of a threat, he'd get expelled... not suspended.
i suppose you should not mentioned the amendments. You see though I am 14, i hopped schoold through 8th grade and never took the standard U.S. Constitution Test and was never taught what went on on it or around it. It seems i've used it rather loosely, and i apologise for i seem to do  thing like that quite often.
But it still the school really overeacted. I meen hasn't everybody wished at least ONE person dead in their life. Also, the wish is usually encouraged by a recent conflict between the two people and if the rage passes the wish may be forgotten forever.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: bunnycorpse on December 14, 2007, 10:45:06 PM
that's really messed up, you cant suspend a person for wishing death upon a person. It doesn't meen anything's actually gonna happen. That's seems like something that could possibly be protected by the constitution, the whole free speech thing.
Hell, i've been wishing people dead since i was in the second grade; drawing pictures of people and stabbing them with forks- it's a good stress release. ;D
You people REALLY need to understand what "freedom of speech" entails if you're going to throw it around like this.

Wishing death upon someone in itself isn't against the law. Drawing pictures of them or writing their name in a book with the basis like that hoever, isn't the same as "I hope you get run over". It's basically a death threat or a proclaimation of "If I could kill you, then I would" which is very much against the law.

And frankly... if the only way you can relieve stress is by drawing pictures of you killing someone that "upsets" you... then holy crap I feel sorry for you, and suggest you seek professional help. That's anything BUT a healthy mentallity.
Thats still and "if" though. It's not really a threat unless you actuallu tell them too. It's just a "wish you would die" thing.

i am not mentally unhealthy, come on i was only like eight. Infact i became freinds with that girl later on. Well, until she said i should'nt be allowed to play softball because i was making our team lose. I wonder what ever happend to that girl, hmm...
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: PyronIkari on December 14, 2007, 10:49:38 PM
i suppose you should not mentioned the amendments. You see though I am 14, i hopped schoold through 8th grade and never took the standard U.S. Constitution Test and was never taught what went on on it or around it. It seems i've used it rather loosely, and i apologise for i seem to do  thing like that quite often.
But it still the school really overeacted. I meen hasn't everybody wished at least ONE person dead in their life. Also, the wish is usually encouraged by a recent conflict between the two people and if the rage passes the wish may be forgotten forever.

No, they did not overreact. Didn't you read any of the older posts that were made about why they should care, preventive action, unstable mentallities... etc. etc. etc.

Things like this expand and grow up and create killers, and other kinds of sociopaths. Hasn't everyone wished someone dead? Yes... did you not read what I said again? Wishing someone dead, is different than drawing them being murdered, listing names in a book that fictionally would kill them. Unbalanced mentallities(and again I would say this, I think you are one of these people if you're drawing pictures of people being murdered for things that are probably rather minor).
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: bunnycorpse on December 14, 2007, 10:52:45 PM
i suppose you should not mentioned the amendments. You see though I am 14, i hopped schoold through 8th grade and never took the standard U.S. Constitution Test and was never taught what went on on it or around it. It seems i've used it rather loosely, and i apologise for i seem to do  thing like that quite often.
But it still the school really overeacted. I meen hasn't everybody wished at least ONE person dead in their life. Also, the wish is usually encouraged by a recent conflict between the two people and if the rage passes the wish may be forgotten forever.

No, they did not overreact. Didn't you read any of the older posts that were made about why they should care, preventive action, unstable mentallities... etc. etc. etc.

Things like this expand and grow up and create killers, and other kinds of sociopaths. Hasn't everyone wished someone dead? Yes... did you not read what I said again? Wishing someone dead, is different than drawing them being murdered, listing names in a book that fictionally would kill them. Unbalanced mentallities(and again I would say this, I think you are one of these people if you're drawing pictures of people being murdered for things that are probably rather minor).
my thoughts are plain and simple, is it not better to dream of killing, write of killing and illiustrate killing than to actually kill?
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: JohnnyAR on December 14, 2007, 10:54:12 PM
Crud im using my school computer
ill watch it later

lol
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: Jun-Watarase on December 15, 2007, 12:01:12 AM
i suppose you should not mentioned the amendments. You see though I am 14, i hopped schoold through 8th grade and never took the standard U.S. Constitution Test and was never taught what went on on it or around it. It seems i've used it rather loosely, and i apologise for i seem to do  thing like that quite often.
But it still the school really overeacted. I meen hasn't everybody wished at least ONE person dead in their life. Also, the wish is usually encouraged by a recent conflict between the two people and if the rage passes the wish may be forgotten forever.

No, they did not overreact. Didn't you read any of the older posts that were made about why they should care, preventive action, unstable mentallities... etc. etc. etc.

Things like this expand and grow up and create killers, and other kinds of sociopaths. Hasn't everyone wished someone dead? Yes... did you not read what I said again? Wishing someone dead, is different than drawing them being murdered, listing names in a book that fictionally would kill them. Unbalanced mentallities(and again I would say this, I think you are one of these people if you're drawing pictures of people being murdered for things that are probably rather minor).
my thoughts are plain and simple, is it not better to dream of killing, write of killing and illiustrate killing than to actually kill?

Er, do you have difficulty understanding that... simply wishing death upon someone, saying the words "I wish you were dead" are possibly  viewed upon DIFFERENTLY than threatening to kill someone, saying "I'm going to kill you", or drawing/writing things about killing someone specifically?

So, you're telling me... if I a student came up to you and told you straight out, "Hey. I'm gonna kill you later.", or you find plans of them killing you... you're not going to inform your school faculty to the authorities? WHY SHOULD YOU, RIGHT? Because that's totally overreacting!

These people may not be familiar with Death Note, but it's still a threat. If you take a look at someone's personal imitation of a Death Note... what do you see? A list of names of people you want dead, and better yet, sometimes even DETAILED DESCRIPTIONS on how you want that person to die! But is it possible that they're just writing it, and not really going to kill them? Sure, but they're not going to take that risk. If you read anything about my previous post, you would've learned by now that it's the faculty's JOB to protect the students. Somehow you find a mere suspension too much of a punishment? You get suspensions for pulling someone's hair, which is NOTHING compared to a death threat.

Or are we still wrong? Hell, is the school, faculty, police, authorities... no, is LAW wrong? Damn, seriously. I don't know if I can handle living in a country where a rash 14 year-old girl (that should seek psychological assistance) is the only one right about this.

i suppose you should not mentioned the amendments. You see though I am 14, i hopped schoold through 8th grade and never took the standard U.S. Constitution Test and was never taught what went on on it or around it. It seems i've used it rather loosely, and i apologise for i seem to do  thing like that quite often.

Then you should be a sophomore. They do World History in freshman year, then US History in sophomore year. The year's almost over... and the first thing you would've learned was about The Constitution, The Bill of Rights, and etc. What is your school teaching you?
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: Crazy_Saiko on December 15, 2007, 09:32:37 AM
...well said Jun
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: JohnnyAR on December 15, 2007, 10:05:36 AM

i suppose you should not mentioned the amendments. You see though I am 14, i hopped schoold through 8th grade and never took the standard U.S. Constitution Test and was never taught what went on on it or around it. It seems i've used it rather loosely, and i apologise for i seem to do  thing like that quite often.

Then you should be a sophomore. They do World History in freshman year, then US History in sophomore year. The year's almost over... and the first thing you would've learned was about The Constitution, The Bill of Rights, and etc. What is your school teaching you?

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Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: bunnycorpse on December 15, 2007, 06:39:22 PM
i suppose you should not mentioned the amendments. You see though I am 14, i hopped schoold through 8th grade and never took the standard U.S. Constitution Test and was never taught what went on on it or around it. It seems i've used it rather loosely, and i apologise for i seem to do  thing like that quite often.
But it still the school really overeacted. I meen hasn't everybody wished at least ONE person dead in their life. Also, the wish is usually encouraged by a recent conflict between the two people and if the rage passes the wish may be forgotten forever.

No, they did not overreact. Didn't you read any of the older posts that were made about why they should care, preventive action, unstable mentallities... etc. etc. etc.

Things like this expand and grow up and create killers, and other kinds of sociopaths. Hasn't everyone wished someone dead? Yes... did you not read what I said again? Wishing someone dead, is different than drawing them being murdered, listing names in a book that fictionally would kill them. Unbalanced mentallities(and again I would say this, I think you are one of these people if you're drawing pictures of people being murdered for things that are probably rather minor).
my thoughts are plain and simple, is it not better to dream of killing, write of killing and illiustrate killing than to actually kill?

Er, do you have difficulty understanding that... simply wishing death upon someone, saying the words "I wish you were dead" are possibly  viewed upon DIFFERENTLY than threatening to kill someone, saying "I'm going to kill you", or drawing/writing things about killing someone specifically?

So, you're telling me... if I a student came up to you and told you straight out, "Hey. I'm gonna kill you later.", or you find plans of them killing you... you're not going to inform your school faculty to the authorities? WHY SHOULD YOU, RIGHT? Because that's totally overreacting!

These people may not be familiar with Death Note, but it's still a threat. If you take a look at someone's personal imitation of a Death Note... what do you see? A list of names of people you want dead, and better yet, sometimes even DETAILED DESCRIPTIONS on how you want that person to die! But is it possible that they're just writing it, and not really going to kill them? Sure, but they're not going to take that risk. If you read anything about my previous post, you would've learned by now that it's the faculty's JOB to protect the students. Somehow you find a mere suspension too much of a punishment? You get suspensions for pulling someone's hair, which is NOTHING compared to a death threat.

Or are we still wrong? Hell, is the school, faculty, police, authorities... no, is LAW wrong? Damn, seriously. I don't know if I can handle living in a country where a rash 14 year-old girl (that should seek psychological assistance) is the only one right about this.

i suppose you should not mentioned the amendments. You see though I am 14, i hopped schoold through 8th grade and never took the standard U.S. Constitution Test and was never taught what went on on it or around it. It seems i've used it rather loosely, and i apologise for i seem to do  thing like that quite often.

Then you should be a sophomore. They do World History in freshman year, then US History in sophomore year. The year's almost over... and the first thing you would've learned was about The Constitution, The Bill of Rights, and etc. What is your school teaching you?
right... i get confused kinda easily, so i'm just gonna admit defeat in this debate cause i dont even know where we are.

As for things to be suspended for, pulling someones hair? really, i done worse and i've never even had a detention.
Also my schools have taught me various things at weird times. I've been through the lowest of the curriculum in a small mormun school in the middle of nowhere up to a huge public school renouned for it's high test scores.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: Jun-Watarase on December 16, 2007, 10:55:30 AM
right... i get confused kinda easily, so i'm just gonna admit defeat in this debate cause i dont even know where we are.

As for things to be suspended for, pulling someones hair? really, i done worse and i've never even had a detention.
Also my schools have taught me various things at weird times. I've been through the lowest of the curriculum in a small mormun school in the middle of nowhere up to a huge public school renouned for it's high test scores.

Pulling hair, slapping, etc... They're all considered assaults, so the school has the right to give you suspension. As for doing anything worse and getting away with it, that's just your school being lenient-- but they have incentive to punish you. America has laws for these in hopes of pleasing everybody, creating a safe environment for people to live in etc etc... but not everybody wants to play by their rules.

A friend of mine almost got expelled for self-defense, when another student was trying to beat him up. The school saw it as, "You two boys are fighting and disrupting the peace in our school. We should kick you both out!" until he got pissed, called the cops on the teachers, and had them explain that he shouldn't be punished for self-defense.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: Raydere on December 16, 2007, 09:57:24 PM
Gotta love high schools' rules on fighting. It doesn't matter if you didn't instigate the fight, nor if you fought back for the sole purpose of defending yourself. Better to be dead or critically injured than protect yourself from harm.
Title: Re: Suspended for "Death Note"?
Post by: Jun-Watarase on December 17, 2007, 10:18:20 AM
Better to be dead or critically injured than protect yourself from harm.

Now-a-days, it's pretty much true. People tend to look your way when they can pity you as a victim, but when you're perfectly fine, they'll just feel that you're whining.