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Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: Tuplica on June 29, 2003, 04:02:47 AM
Just a question for you folks...  

Although I've never been overly fond of it myself, I've realized over the years that there is a great deal of hatred towards the Pokémon series...  Is there any specific reason(s) for this?  The cutsey-ness?  The repetitive episodes?  The fact that it's based on a game?  Perhaps because it threw tons of newbies into the 'underground anime' groups?  It just seems that whenever I go to a con it's the one thing that you better not cosplay as or mention, unless you're bashing it.  

And is there any group hatred towards any other animes?  Cuz if it's just the repetitive-ness, I would think many other shows would fit in that category.  Just tryin' to figure stuff out!  Thanks.
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: Babbit_Chan on June 29, 2003, 05:20:34 AM
I've never hated it - I personally grew out of it. People who hate it are either too scared to admit they like/d it in the midst of their friends, or find something in the series not to their liking.
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: CloudStrife546 on June 29, 2003, 09:57:12 AM
i dont hate it, just never got into it..
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: Tsubasa on June 29, 2003, 11:08:40 AM
I believe it's backlash because it became so popular in the US.  "Hardcore" anime fans don't watch anime on TV and they despise anything that been dubbed over, localized, and is being consumed by the masses on TV.  You see this all the time, although to a much smaller extent with most other titles.  I suppose you could chalk that one up to the uncanny popularity of Pokemon and possibly because it's a child's show.
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: Tendai on June 29, 2003, 12:25:29 PM
I've never hated it ^^ It's kind of a guilty pleasure of mine (much like Morning Musume is on the music front) when I don't really feel like watching something that makes me think.  It's cute.  Good to watch if you're not in the mood for something more serious.

I think that Tsubasa probably says it best.  "Hardcore" anime fans can often be just a little elitist in that sense.  It's popular, dubbed and a kid's show and therefore to many fans of that sort it's not worth it.

But me?  I can do a Pikachu impression and I'm proud of it XD
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: Suspicious on June 29, 2003, 03:31:48 PM
I love Pokemon, I love DBZ, what I dislike are some of the fans they produce.  Ya know, the SSJ532145732459328457 people out there  :roll: Sure some grow out of it, but the ones that don't, sigh... They're just really annoying.
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: jinnai_animexcalibur on June 29, 2003, 03:50:52 PM
Dealers who dont know anything about Yu-Gi-Oh....they just know that its profitable and it attracts customers...

(example: a no-namer barbershop here....they sell yu-gi-oh cards to attract kids who dont wanna get a haircut...)
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: Jessa_chan on June 29, 2003, 05:54:06 PM
Well, I liked Pokemon for a really long time, but then, when I turned 11, I grew out of it. I don't really know why. It was right after I saw one of the movies (don't remember which one) but I just sorta went "Why have I spent so much money and time on this?" It just stopped being appealing. So I can honestly say that I grew out of it. I think most people bash it (and DBZ) because there are a lot of fans that flood message boards and chat rooms with "POKEMON ROCKZ! MWHAHAHAHA! DBZ KICKS ASS! I LOVE TRUNKS!!!!" and things like that. Nothing against DBZ and Pokemon fans, but there are a group of them that spoil the repuatation for others.
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: Tuplica on July 01, 2003, 05:37:58 PM
Wow, I guess it was a misconception on my part!  Glad to hear it, though...  Although I'm not a humongo fan of Pokemon, the overall hatred towards a series gets me down.

About the DBZ thing... Hehe!  One of the many reasons I love the 'right now' music video with the viewer of Akira, DBZ and something else screaming about how Goku could kick anyone's ass.....  

To me, there's always a difference between newbies and educated newbies.  Just cuz you've only seen one series doesn't mean that others aren't as good.
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: platinum edge on July 01, 2003, 08:38:07 PM
I dunno about the rest of you, but I think one of the reasons people don't like DBZ/pokemon/yu gi oh/ect. . . is becuase people generalize about anime, where many, new to the world of anime, are thinking that pokemon/DBZ/yu gi oh is the pinnacle of anime.  Some people just don't know that there is more to anime out there than just DBZ/pokemon/yu gi oh.

Also, a person's tastes may play into their preferences.  For example, some people might see DBZ as being extremely cool, while others might see DBZ as a bunch of guys just standing around sounding constipated then opening a can of whup ass on each other.  Others might think that the yu gi oh characters are really smart with the "tactics" they use, while others think that the yu gi oh characters are just makin it up as they go along.  As I said, a person's tastes may play into how the perceive something.  I personally prefer things that require some brain cells, rather than just stare mindlessly at the screen and think "wow, that looked cool. . ."; but, that's just me.

. . . then again, it could be becuase there are the legions of people spouting on and on about how goku/vegeta/ect. . . is so great and what not that it begins to annoy everyone else. . . meh, who knows?
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: Faye Valentine on July 01, 2003, 08:46:52 PM
...I loved Pokemon. I still have my card collection, too. AND I know the Pokerap by heart. ^.^;
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: Suspicious on July 02, 2003, 06:33:01 AM
Unknown...unknown...unknown...
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: Haruka on July 02, 2003, 07:48:10 PM
::counts Pokemon pluchies I have in my room::  I used to like Pokemon, but I grew out of it.  Personally, I like Pi-chu, Pika-chu, Clefairy, JigglyPuff, Merril, and Charizard cuz he's a pain in the a$s.
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: Tama on August 31, 2003, 11:48:55 AM
I like pokemon. Pokemon is cute! And the first movie makes me cry. *sniff* even though it's dubbed. :x I hate DB but it's personal I started to watch the OVAs(?) one time and I thought "this is pretty interesting"  But then..but then I watched an episode on TV.  It was a bad episode to start on.  The kid(gohan?) made friends with a dinosaur at the beginning of the episode and at the end it got killed! So now I HATE  :twisted: DRAGONBALL! And yes I am twentysomething! ><
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: Hououji Fuu on August 31, 2003, 01:45:14 PM
Quote from: "platinum edge"
I dunno about the rest of you, but I think one of the reasons people don't like DBZ/pokemon/yu gi oh/ect. . . is becuase people generalize about anime, where many, new to the world of anime, are thinking that pokemon/DBZ/yu gi oh is the pinnacle of anime.  Some people just don't know that there is more to anime out there than just DBZ/pokemon/yu gi oh.


Amen to that, that's the real reason I don't watch any of the dubbed stuff on TV, specifically DBZ and Pokemon.

The other reason I think a lot of people "hated" Pokemon was that when they brought it over to the US, they KILLED it. Kind of like Sailor Moon, only not quite as bad. They 'cut' lots of things, changed the tone of many of the episodes, and just all around messed it up... the die-hard fans of Pocket Monsters weren't exactly pleased, and the result ended up catering to said "fans" who watch dubbed DBZ and Pokemon and claim to be anime connaisseurs.

I *personally* love Pokemon, but I like the Japanese version about 60000 times more. The voice talent was much better, for one thing (Mmm... Shinichirou Miki...), and *shrugs* it seemed way more authentic.

Just my $0.02.
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: Kurokai on September 01, 2003, 03:25:56 PM
I think it's because it's aimed for the younger audiences (just listen to the theme song). I remember it was a trend to like Pokemon back in 6th grade until people found it boring because of its "childish" themes (or something). It might be the marketers..trying to make money off of everything. :\ I don't really know..people just grow out of it like I did. But I don't hate it..I still watch it with my brother.  :D
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: mstingray on September 02, 2003, 05:40:00 AM
it's entertaining in it's own way.  i don't watch it unless i'm bored.  there are better things to waste my time on.
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: Tuplica on September 23, 2003, 12:03:04 PM
Hmm... Hououji Fuu, you mentioned that Pocket Monsters fans were dissapointed about the dub.  (I've read all there is to read about the changes made, so I get that).  But how did they get to see the original PM?  I've got a tape with two eps, but it isn't subbed and I've never found fansubs on the net.
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: MeliCat on September 23, 2003, 12:46:57 PM
Hmm.. my 2 cents is I think people should quit bashing certain animes and mind their business.  :?  If someone wants to be a Pokemon/Yugi Oh/DragonBall Otaku, why should they be bashed? There are quite a few anime fans that think they're "too good" to watch what comes on TV or what's popular. I think those people secretly love such shows, they just wanna look cool.  :roll: No one's supposed to cosplay as Pokemon characters? What's the world coming to? *plots a Skitty Outfit*

*MeliCat*
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: YuriGurrl on September 23, 2003, 02:09:04 PM
I don't really like Pokemon anymore. I used to play the Gameboy games, and watch it on TV sometimes, but thats about it tho. I think its the Pokemon voices that get on my nerves..."PIka-pik-PIpi-PIKAAA!" AHHHHH!!! SHUDDUP!! ::smack:: *ahem* Sorry. I have a short temper....
Title: what do you think?
Post by: Saffy on September 23, 2003, 07:31:33 PM
i never liked dbz only because the episodes were too short... but i used to like pokemon (used to!)

if anyone does, do ya wanna buy some cards? theyre practically worthless now...
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: Hououji Fuu on September 23, 2003, 08:25:40 PM
Quote from: "Tuplica"
Hmm... Hououji Fuu, you mentioned that Pocket Monsters fans were dissapointed about the dub.  (I've read all there is to read about the changes made, so I get that).  But how did they get to see the original PM?  I've got a tape with two eps, but it isn't subbed and I've never found fansubs on the net.


...*coughs and hides bootlegs/raw episodes in random crevices of her room* I don't know... where COULD they have seen it??

XD plus I have a lot of friends who are native to Japan, and they were fans of the original.


...speaking of fansubs, a fansub group FINALLY PICKED IT UP! *Squee* I love Rocketto-Dan, they're the only reason to watch the show. n.n
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: SuperKawaiiNeko on September 24, 2003, 01:59:24 AM
Asking how people saw Pocket Monsters subbed is like asking how people saw Sailor Moon subbed. The reason you cant find it fansubbed is BECAUSE ITS BEEN PICKED UP! Anime companies allow fansubs of NONLICENCED anime for various reasons (which we wont get into here) in spite if its illegalness, but fansubbing licenced anime is frowned upon even by the fansub community itself, to say nothing of the anime companies who make their business on the stuff. If you know someone whos subbing Pocket Monsters, I strongly urge you to advise them against it.

Mmm...Meli-skitty...
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: Tuplica on September 25, 2003, 11:54:20 AM
Quote from: "Hououji Fuu"
...speaking of fansubs, a fansub group FINALLY PICKED IT UP! *Squee* I love Rocketto-Dan, they're the only reason to watch the show. n.n


WHERE WHO WHEN and how can I get it? PM me if you like.... :D
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: swordofthebezerk on December 12, 2003, 09:25:54 PM
What is with the anime that i see nowadays when it comes to kids shows they have to be really ridiculous and have the craziest armor and costumes imaginable. I mean i was watching tv the other day and i saw a commercial for digimon on some channel and i saw the kids changing into the freaking digimon...what the heck, i mean i remember when they just had there ultimate forms and then they went to super saiyin and then super great kamikaze form number 3.
Anyways enough of that rant lets go to yu-gi-oh, I got addicted to that card game pretty quickly and then the gameboy advanced versions came out and i had no need to buy the cards ever. Too much money for things like that. I mean I don't deny that it is fun but the anime kind of makes me mad because they completely bypass the origins of Yugi and his friends and enemies. Well at least i have the manga...it's about the only thing that I think is good about yu-gi-oh, that and the games... well i will probably get back to this topic later with some more thoughts about these types of anime.
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: Tama on December 15, 2003, 08:18:11 PM
Ah the Jaded Youth of the World! *Ponders in silence*  

We must keep up ratings and if it means killing a Japanese show to make it approproate for American kids who don't know that *shuuuuu* things DIE! Then who are we to stop them?  *shrugs* Something about sensors probably.  And the dubbd TV shows do complete the purpose of luring in new people who eventually realize the GOOD stuff isn't available on TV yet.
FEEL FREE TO SKIP THIS  :oops:  :
   I first discovered anime when they piloted the SailorMoon series on TV with the first episode of R.  I thought How cool! What is it? There must be more!  It took me forever to find it, about 2 months. It took me only a short time to discover that it was part of this "anime" genre.  I found  different animes to watch let see... (Nuku nuku and Ushio and Tora I believe)  Ushio and Tora was only available in Sub so I got used to Japanese voices and began to prefer them.  When they stopped showing Sailormoon mid SEASON!!! I discovered Fan Subbers and then learned how horribly WRONG the Dubbed voices were.
:::

And now no matter where it comes from the original voices are BEST!  For example Powerpuff girls in Japanese-Can Bubbles' voice go any higher?  Anyway We don't hate Pokemon or TV versions it's just we are beyond that phase. Right?
 *cough* sorry I didn't mean to give the story of my life. :oops:
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: Nephilim on December 16, 2003, 02:16:39 PM
i think there is a general feeling of distaste towards some anime including Pokemon, Dragon Ball, Yu-gi-oh, Sailor Moon, and others. mostly i think, because its directed towards other people besides us (in some cases, little kids) and because it usually doesn't have much of a plot (oh say...Beyblade).

imagine you're trying to convince someone to start watching anime. lets say that while you go to your room to look for the Vampire Hunter D dvd, they pop in and watch the Live Action Sailor Moon TV series. if they didn't take anime seriously at first, after watching that they just won't have the choice. and umm... i forgot where i was going with that. o.o;
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: swordofthebezerk on December 16, 2003, 03:21:59 PM
Oh my god i forgot about that  bayblade anime, what a waste of freakin time. I mean you can watch yu-gi-oh and get the same stupid message...friends are good or whatever they try to get at with these kids anime nowadays.
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: CloudStrife546 on December 16, 2003, 06:37:10 PM
Quote from: "swordofthebezerk"
same stupid message...friends are good or whatever they try to get at with these kids anime nowadays.


Is that a bad message?
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: swordofthebezerk on December 16, 2003, 07:47:55 PM
Of course not but it gives some kids a false sense of security in the fact that their friends will always be there for them... and that is not always the case now is it? Saavy?
Title: Anti this or that...?
Post by: RyuHayabusa on December 16, 2003, 10:35:09 PM
Hey, I watch the Live Action Sailor Moon! and it kicks ass btw lol XD