Quote from: PyronIkari on March 11, 2008, 10:32:27 PM
Hey Taiki... that's why I go to the Fanime meetings, bring it up, talk to staff members, and bring it up on the forum. Again, you didn't read this thread, or the other threads have you? And... pseudo? Tell me where i'm being "pseudo" in any of this, and state where what I say isn't based on actuallity. It's the security dept to decide what to do... which they did, but a lot of it has to do with people bringing it up, and making it an issue first to let them know that people are concerned, which is what I did.
And when I take advice from you about "choosing your fights more wisely" or... listening to any of your advice for that matter, is the day I admit defeat to the world and kill myself.
Because stating "The ACML agrees with me" is such a horribly logically contructed statement that it almost made me fall over onto my fat ass. It's really an appeal to a higher power which doesn't make your statement true at all. Now, there's reasons why what your'e saying IS true, BUT you're using the way wrong line of reasoning. That's pseudo intellectual. Not to mention dragging the ACML into the discussion.
Saying you've seen it, and others have, doesn't really address the problem from any point to make a decision on. Enforcing those rules does take quite a bit of man power. Especially if you've got a real problem. It pulls security from their posts and reporting back to sec ops/con ops/wherever they go to report repeat offenders, it makes one more thing that door watching volunteers have to look for and unless it's *really* bad, like AKon 04 or Otakon 04/05 bad, it's generally not worth it to enforce with an iron fist. Is it worth it to ahve it on the books in case something happens? No doubt, but to enforce actively? Possibly not. This is why some cons just don't have sign/glomp policies. I can't imagine cons like Anime LA, Anime Vegas, or Ani-Magic trying to enforce that kind of rule. I know Anime Vegas has a policy on this because I helped out with it. But is it heavily enforced? No. There's simply not enough man power to do it for the reward.
Now as to picking your fights wisely, yes, I'm aware you've got friends in high places within Fanime's organization, but I thought it was generally common fucking sense to not pick fights with Board members on their own forums, no matter who your friends are.
Quote from: Jun-Watarase on March 11, 2008, 10:41:31 PM
Take your personal issue against Mikey elsewhere. Doesn't belong here.
The only problem I have is with the idea that someone can join the ACML and run around and act like it's THE final word on anything(or even that there's a hive mind like consensus on many issues when, there really isn't any), when it's not. Being a member of said ML, I really did feel the need to speak up about speaking for us all. It wasn't until Mikey brought up Fuku did I really even bother to think about taking it personally since, well, he brought it up.
Edit: yes, I have said in the past, "Join the ACML, you'll get some idea of how to run a con" which is true, because there are so many basic, ground level things that there is a consensus on, but when it gets into issues that are incredibly specific for a single con, then no, there's no absolute consensus. Making sure everyone has badges and properly doing head counting? Yeah, easily there's an established consensus there. How to handle crowds? Not so much.