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I voted NO on 8.

I figure, if public schools can teach kids about drugs, sex, and tell them that God is dead, they they can tell kids about gay marriage. If you really think about it, if kids are being tuaght how to put a condom on a zucchini in the 6th grade, it's no worse then explaining why Donna really is a Danny.

And it's not like you're promoting gay marriage. It's awareness. Like sex Ed in the 4th grade explains to little kids how their bodies growing and will function sexually.

i agree with you. a child should know that that is out there, for two reasons;
1-so that they are maybe in the LEAST BIT open minded about it
2-just in case they somehow find out that they are gay themselves.

i mean if a child at say 15 or 16 finds them selves looking at the same sex and finding that attractive, they should know WHY this is so. people should be a bit more open minded about the subject because its out there.

i also agree with XpHoBiaX in the sense that we are taught to put a condom on a zucchini or bananna or another type of vegtable/ fruit that resembles that organ hahahaha.

and i personally never got taught about homosexuality in school, maybe some did. i guess it depends on the schools curriculum, but i think it would be a good idea. again like XpHoBiaX said direct quote "And it's not like you're promoting gay marriage. It's awareness..." just letting them know its out there and that it is a personal choice some people make

Argh. Missing the point entirely. First, on the actual substance of the debate, there are few objective lines in which we can define what is and isn't art: rather, we can define whether or not it's legal, and while many of us don't find rap music to be entirely pleasant, those that do seek it out completely consensually. If your little sister is listening to filth, blame yourself, your parents and her for raising her in such a way that its themes of urban violence are somehow romantic to her. Nobody's tied her up to a chair and taped a pair of headphones around her ears to brainwash her into liking it - and if family influence is getting trumped over by street influence, I'd say the problem lies... elsewhere.

Not to mention that some early forms of rap, before its mainstreaming, does have artistic value to it - as an examination of the reality of urban life and an outlet for its stresses. And even some contemporary artists hold true to those merits - as do legions of amateurs. Music serves as a reflection of the social turbulences of its contextual era: silencing any form of it is nothing more than turning a deaf ear towards what is quite possibly an incoming stampede. Better to listen than to ignore.

As for the meta-critique, not all opinions are equally valid. Opinions based off facts and opinions with a stronger narrative structure are always considered more valid. It doesn't matter whether or not they offend - it matters entirely if there's any substance to back it up. Ikari's arguments tend to hold water - RKitty's are about as porous as a sponge, and ill-defended to boot.

you hold a good point, my friend. and in my mind PyronIkari is ABLE to have his or her own opinion yet do they have to be so harsh? (Sorry PyronIkari i do not know your gender) i mean yeah if RadioActive Kitty would just back up with more facts.
me with my lil sister yeah thats facts, and yeah her friends kinda took her into that. and my parents try grounding her and everything else in the book, i mean we had her grounded for like 4 months one time still nothing worked. so we are baffled at what to do. BUT NOT THE POINT (...sorry i went on an off topic rant...)
and yeah, RAP is not just going to go away. and looking back yeah MC Hammer, Run DMC, Will Smith(a few names i hope y'all know) they are rap... and well i do like them. so in a way i contradicted myself. i do like some rap.
i mean if it is someones personal prefferance, its ok.

hm well well well some things kinda opened my eyes   :o and my eyes DID NOT LIKE THE TRUTH! i was listening to some music being played at my school and O...M...G it was the most offensive load of crap- i mean it was referring to women as bi***es in a derogatory way O.O i mean not like saying i dong listen to music like that refers to women as that, i listen to Theory of a DeadMan- look up No Surprise. its not like rap at all, its like wow... so my opinion is like rap should be toned down... like if your gonna listen to rap listen to like Gorillaz style XD DIrty Harry, Feel Good Inc... not this stuff that could make some cry.

and i dont care for cops (not saying all are bad, they are needed to keep peace around you know?) but i respect them highly enough not to like say derogatory smack about them >.<

... Where have you been in the last century? Music has always had lyrics like this. Music was used to protest, to offend, and then some forever.

Your opinion of rap means nothing... seeing that "rap" itself doesn't describe content.

Please exit whatever box you've been hiding in and see the world.

You didn't even address anything with this post.

Music is art. Art has always pushed the boundaries of everything. Art has criticized races, governments, worlds and nations. If you censor art, you've killed the world. Art is offensive, art is critical of everything, and everyone is a victim of it. But it's also what makes us grow. The moment you tell someone that their art isn't allowed because it's offensive, the moment you're saying that all art should not exist.

PyronIkari- must you be so harsh? i seen some of your other posts, ESPECIALLY with RadioActiveKitty- you both have different opinions... and as my older sis says "opinions are like faces every one has one, and some may offend."

and talking about killing cops and f****** b****S is NOT art it is what is wrong with scociety it is telling people like my lil sister that it ok to go smoke, go drink, go take drugs, go get laid when she wants. SHE IS 14 GOING ON 15!

it is corrupting the young these days

yeah free speech and all, but you HAVE to draw the line somewhere. i mean yeah killing cops is NOT cool- my grandpa was a cop. and a cool one at that. but my younger sis listens to HELLA racist music and in my opinion it should not exist, but unfortunately it does. so i think its just something we have to live with. oh well i dont wanna get kicked off the forums so ill just keep quiet