Does anybody know for sure?

[MidnightRosebud]

I've been trying to find a thread on this subject, but all I hear is a lot of back and forths....

Does anyone know (for sure) if signs are banned at Fanime Con 2008? ???

My friends and I are putting on a game (Catch the Barrel-Catch that Prize), and we would like to put up a sign in the main hall of the convention center so that people can read about it. It will contain the rules/instructions on how to play the game, and a few pictures of Naruto and Bleach characters. It's that or print out a lot of flyers which can get really costly, really quickly. If anyone has any information I would be forever grateful.  :)

Thank you! >.<

[SOawesomeness]

As long as it isn't soliciting anything such as a business, hugs (regardless of if it's free or not) or offending, it's fine.

The game signs should be all right as long as they aren't selling/giving things away without permission and they're smaller than you (physically). :3
I don't think flyers are allowed unless you have permission... but that I'm not sure on at all. o.0

[MidnightRosebud]

Thank you so much! That's a big help! >.<

[Nyxyin]

The game signs should be all right

However, make sure that the game does not obstruct the flow of traffic and doesn't involve running inside the convention center.  Also, I imagine that there are no guarantees that unattended signs won't walk away, get scribbled on, moved elsewhere, etc.

I don't think flyers are allowed unless you have permission... but that I'm not sure on at all. o.0

I really don't think so.  People have been bringing and leaving flyers all over the place at very many conventions.  Last year, I distinctly recall seeing two tables dedicated to all sorts of flyers.  I believe there might've been another flyer table right outside of Registration.  I very much doubt that everybody who left flyers on those tables had to get permission.

[M]

My friends and I are putting on a game (Catch the Barrel-Catch that Prize), and we would like to put up a sign in the main hall of the convention center so that people can read about it. It will contain the rules/instructions on how to play the game, and a few pictures of Naruto and Bleach characters. It's that or print out a lot of flyers which can get really costly, really quickly. If anyone has any information I would be forever grateful.  :)

I'm not sure having a stand with a sign, but having it stuck onto a wall via ANYTHING is not ok.

I really don't think so.  People have been bringing and leaving flyers all over the place at very many conventions.  Last year, I distinctly recall seeing two tables dedicated to all sorts of flyers.  I believe there might've been another flyer table right outside of Registration.  I very much doubt that everybody who left flyers on those tables had to get permission.

Actually, I think every flyer on there was approved, but there might have been a few people that snuck their flyers onto the table.

[Steve.Young]

You can't tape/staple/attach anything to the walls without prior permission (Which is very unlikely to be approved). They are really against taping =P. Tape = bad for the walls.

[Nyxyin]

Actually, I think every flyer on there was approved, but there might have been a few people that snuck their flyers onto the table.

Seriously?  What's the approval process?

[short_storiesgl]

here: http://forums.fanime.com/index.php/topic,8788.0.html

[luckyends]

here: http://forums.fanime.com/index.php/topic,8788.0.html

this was proven to be untrue and a false statement
http://forums.fanime.com/index.php/topic,8890.0.html
that is the thread to keep track of if you want to know about the bans

[short_storiesgl]

here: http://forums.fanime.com/index.php/topic,8788.0.html

this was proven to be untrue and a false statement
http://forums.fanime.com/index.php/topic,8890.0.html
that is the thread to keep track of if you want to know about the bans

Aww nuts *snaps fingers*

[MidnightRosebud]

@.@
Ummm....alrighty. I'll try and check it all out. So tape on walls is a no go for sure then? Do the pillars count? The ones in the front lobby? XD
Hmmm....what to do. What to do....>.>

[Nyxyin]

So tape on walls is a no go for sure then? Do the pillars count? The ones in the front lobby?

Tape on walls is for sure a no go.  Pillars count.  This isn't a FanimeCon rule -- this is a rule from the San Jose Convention Center itself.  Any attempts to use tape or circumvent the tape rule may get FanimeCon kicked out of the SJCC.

http://www.sanjose.org/meetings/resources/coordination.php says, "Signs are not allowed to be taped, tacked, stapled, nailed or otherwise affixed to any wall or surface in the San Jose Convention & Cultural Facilities."

[MidnightRosebud]

So tape on walls is a no go for sure then? Do the pillars count? The ones in the front lobby?

Tape on walls is for sure a no go.  Pillars count.  This isn't a FanimeCon rule -- this is a rule from the San Jose Convention Center itself.  Any attempts to use tape or circumvent the tape rule may get FanimeCon kicked out of the SJCC.

http://www.sanjose.org/meetings/resources/coordination.php says, "Signs are not allowed to be taped, tacked, stapled, nailed or otherwise affixed to any wall or surface in the San Jose Convention & Cultural Facilities."

Okie-dokie then. Thank you so much for the information! ^_^
I'm glad I asked ahead of time. ^.^;;

[satanic_mechanic]

what about handing out flyers? is that verboten?

i think that the con is slowly reaching a point of over regulation, where no one will be able to know everything that is banned or not allowed, and where conops and its surrogates will be unable to police that which they have regulated.  i think this signs thing is kind of silly, but in the end, it would have worked itself out like this silly things tend to, and a ban would not have been necessary.  surely there are solicitation laws... but a ban on a sign for free hugs? i dont personally give or receive with strangers, but i think its a little silly to bring the wrath of the archons down on the free-hug-people.

[PyronIkari]

what about handing out flyers? is that verboten?

i think that the con is slowly reaching a point of over regulation, where no one will be able to know everything that is banned or not allowed, and where conops and its surrogates will be unable to police that which they have regulated.  i think this signs thing is kind of silly, but in the end, it would have worked itself out like this silly things tend to, and a ban would not have been necessary.  surely there are solicitation laws... but a ban on a sign for free hugs? i dont personally give or receive with strangers, but i think its a little silly to bring the wrath of the archons down on the free-hug-people.

You obviously haven't been following the other threads about this.

Handing out flyers is solicitation and is against the rules. Well that's half true it matters what is on the flyers. If you hand out a flyer that says like "CHEESE" then it's not solicitation it's handing out a retarded piece of paper that says "CHEESE" on it. However if you're handing out flyers that are like "GO HERE AND BUY STUFF" or "GO TO SO AND SO THING AND DO THIS!" then that is solicitation and if you don't have permission to be doing so, you can't be doing it.

Signs like free hugs and the such cause lots of problems, with people assuming that because they are holding a sign, they are free to do things. A girl holding a sign that says "free hugs" gave her the idea that she can go around and hug whoever she wanted and it would be okay because of the sign. People with "Free Glomps" signs believed they could run and tackle people because of the sign. People actually solicited with other signs asking for money, or other such things which is against the law, and against the Convention Centers rules. Solicitation of any kind against the rules of the SJCC, therefore it should have been banned long ago, but Fanime, much like most conventions, turned a blind eye for years. Only it started escalating enough to be addressed as a problem, so many conventions are doing something about it. Fanime is more lax'ed than a lot of conventions are about it.

At this point, it is hardly over-regulation. They're merely upholding the basic rules of the SJCC and the local and state laws. They are hardly limiting that much outside of basic social laws that people should be following in every day life anyways.

[luckyends]

ya know you could have just said flyers fall under soliciting and you arnt aloud to do that and just left it at that instead of viciousely atacking something this thread isnt even about please stop spaming us with what you think there are other threads for ripping apart glome me and free hug signs so please stick to those and stop poluting the forum with more of your hate for this topic  >:(

[PyronIkari]

ya know you could have just said flyers fall under soliciting and you arnt aloud to do that and just left it at that instead of viciousely atacking something this thread isnt even about please stop spaming us with what you think there are other threads for ripping apart glome me and free hug signs so please stick to those and stop poluting the forum with more of your hate for this topic  >:(

He asked a question, I answered it. Why should you care anyways, if you don't want me talking about a subject, then have the mods ban the subject. It's stupid and childish about you to bitch that "OMG HE IS TALKING ABOUT A SUBJECT MATTER AND HE EXPLAINS HIMSELF BUT I DON'T LIKE IT SO I WILL BITCH AT HIM!"

[luckyends]

He asked a question, I answered it. Why should you care anyways, if you don't want me talking about a subject, then have the mods ban the subject. It's stupid and childish about you to bitch that "OMG HE IS TALKING ABOUT A SUBJECT MATTER AND HE EXPLAINS HIMSELF BUT I DON'T LIKE IT SO I WILL BITCH AT HIM!"

My friends and I are putting on a game (Catch the Barrel-Catch that Prize), and we would like to put up a sign in the main hall of the convention center so that people can read about it. It will contain the rules/instructions on how to play the game, and a few pictures of Naruto and Bleach characters. It's that or print out a lot of flyers which can get really costly, really quickly. If anyone has any information I would be forever grateful.  :)

the orignal intent of this post was to find out whether or not this person could have a sign about the rules of a game they want to play and set up at the convention

here: http://forums.fanime.com/index.php/topic,8788.0.html

this was proven to be untrue and a false statement
http://forums.fanime.com/index.php/topic,8890.0.html
that is the thread to keep track of if you want to know about the bans

this is the thread about the ban of signs and ban of glomps that was given to this person one of them is a post that was proven to be false the other is the current thread of the real going ons about the topic of signs and later the topic of flyers was brought up which you added some very help full insight about the fact that they would be agains policies if they were solicitations which was helpfull and was not posted or i have not seen posted places and i thank you for this bit of information ^_^

but why i replied so angrily to the second half of the post is the fact that the subject of glomp and hug signs is being addressed in one of the threads that were linked and as proven by the moderators this is a very touchy topic because they have locked every other thread on that subject so for you to not take a clue and not talk about that subject in the correct area is frustrating and then the fact that you attacked me because i was telling you your post was in the wrong area is also anoying

[satanic_mechanic]

"You obviously haven't been following the other threads about this."

nope. sorry, i havent. i would if i had the time though (T.T).

as for the people who think they are entitled to go around doing things because they are holding a sign, then if they cross a line and make someone uncomfortable, wouldnt the proper enforcement method be for the offended person to report the offender, rather then blame signs?

i think you may be making a post hoc ergo proctor hoc logical fallacy.  you are linking the signs to the anti social behavior, when the signs in and of themselves are harmless, just pieces of cardboard with paint on them.  i think your line of thinking is "the person who offended me was holding a sign before they offended me, therefore they offended me because they held a sign." its kind of a non sequitor.

on the note of others, i think you are referring to possible panhandling and prostitution.  the former can be solved by rovers saying "sorry, can't do that" (it should be fairly obvious, since they are holding a sign) and the latter is a matter for SJPD.  So long as there are conventions, there will be prostitutes; this is true for any convention; but the responsibility lies at the level of civil law enforcement.

"At this point, it is hardly over-regulation. They're merely upholding the basic rules of the SJCC and the local and state laws. They are hardly limiting that much outside of basic social laws that people should be following in every day life anyways. "

it shouldnt be the conventions responsibility to police the more serious aspects of it, and the more trivial and annoying aspects can be solved without hacking away at freedom of expression with a broadsword.  if someone had a sign that said "Impeach Bush" on it, certainly that would not fall under the category of solicitation for money or exchange of goods and services or prostitution; it would fall under political expression, but it would still be under the category of "sign", which is banned. in that scenario, if someone who held an "impeach bush" sign under such a broad ban would arguably have their civil liberties impeded upon.

also, for "free hugs," please see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr3x_RRJdd4


post script

(i think the objection from prior responses is based upon your abrasive tone. youre free to use an abrasive tone, lord knows this is the internet, but in the future, people could react like that because of a lack of diplomatic diction.)

[luckyends]

"You obviously haven't been following the other threads about this."

nope. sorry, i havent. i would if i had the time though (T.T).

as for the people who think they are entitled to go around doing things because they are holding a sign, then if they cross a line and make someone uncomfortable, wouldnt the proper enforcement method be for the offended person to report the offender, rather then blame signs?

i think you may be making a post hoc ergo proctor hoc logical fallacy.  you are linking the signs to the anti social behavior, when the signs in and of themselves are harmless, just pieces of cardboard with paint on them.  i think your line of thinking is "the person who offended me was holding a sign before they offended me, therefore they offended me because they held a sign." its kind of a non sequitor.

on the note of others, i think you are referring to possible panhandling and prostitution.  the former can be solved by rovers saying "sorry, can't do that" (it should be fairly obvious, since they are holding a sign) and the latter is a matter for SJPD.  So long as there are conventions, there will be prostitutes; this is true for any convention; but the responsibility lies at the level of civil law enforcement.

"At this point, it is hardly over-regulation. They're merely upholding the basic rules of the SJCC and the local and state laws. They are hardly limiting that much outside of basic social laws that people should be following in every day life anyways. "

it shouldnt be the conventions responsibility to police the more serious aspects of it, and the more trivial and annoying aspects can be solved without hacking away at freedom of expression with a broadsword.  if someone had a sign that said "Impeach Bush" on it, certainly that would not fall under the category of solicitation for money or exchange of goods and services or prostitution; it would fall under political expression, but it would still be under the category of "sign", which is banned. in that scenario, if someone who held an "impeach bush" sign under such a broad ban would arguably have their civil liberties impeded upon.

also, for "free hugs," please see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr3x_RRJdd4


post script

(i think the objection from prior responses is based upon your abrasive tone. youre free to use an abrasive tone, lord knows this is the internet, but in the future, people could react like that because of a lack of diplomatic diction.)

heck yes i totaly agree with you or the parts i read (im kinda tired and it was alot of text so skimed)
but the point of my posts was im tired of the bashing and posts about signs being banned and the admins are trying to keep it all in one thread so i was trying to shift it there and now we've gone and made another thread about the argument so yeah

basicaly intent was to shift everything back to the admin arove thead about signs and glomps and stuff and just kinda back fired cause i had a bad day
so i apalogize for my un called for responce but could we all please move our thoughts back to the thread its labeled what is banned and whats not banned and i posted a link thank you