FanimeCon 2026 Forums

Hello there Fanime Cospeeps!
Please offer up advice to each other on cosplaying, posing, what to do, what not to do, tips for better photos, etc. Photographers please feel free to offer up advice also, maybe the link to where you post your cosplayer photos so the cospeeps can find them, or advice on posing or photography. Look to the second post for some lists of everyone's input, advice, or ideas.

Squidges
BSaphire

Here is your lists:  ;D

Pointers FROM the photographers 8)
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Cosplayer photo sites :)
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Pointers for all Photographers: :)
1. Ask to take a photo first.
Please be respectful if they say "No" and don't try to sneak a shot anyway.

2. Present yourself respectfully and professionally.
You reflect on other Professional Photographers and it gets tiring apologizing for the mistakes of others.

3. Clearly state/Clarify who you are and what company you represent before hand and afterwords hand out your business cards.

4. When photographing children ask the parent/guardian/chaperon for permission to use those photos & ask them to hold the child's badge so that their name doesn't appear in the photo.

If they decline don't push it. Chibi characters are cute, but they are children and you could lead to a "bad" person finding them.

5. When photographing the younger females (under 18) please refrain from deliberately taking breast &/or underwear shots. Those photos could end up copied onto some pervs home computer and as the photographer you have the choice on whether or not to take those types of photos.

5. Please respect a cosplayer's personal space when taking your photo... that's what the zoom is for ^^) and it makes for better photos.

6. To take or not to take.
Many times I have seen photographers taking photos in really bad lighting/surroundings/or the area is just to busy. If you want a photo ask and tell them you would like to do it right over there just a few steps out of the way. This saves you from those people walking in front or behind your photo (most of the time they are unaware they even are). Or those white wall & outlet photos that can be better with a change of location and adjustment to the camera.

If you ask to take a photo and you are told "NO" or "Not right now" PLEASE respect their wishes. I have seen this time and time again and I will side with the cosplayers over a photographer. Once I even stood in the way as the person told "No" to tried to angle their camera to "Sneak" a shot. The group was eating lunch and wanted to do it later. I hope they didn't get anything good out of their attempt, but I got some great photos!

7. To flash or not to flash.
If your camera is set to automatic then it will try and decide for you. You can change that setting and adjust your camera for the lighting.

Know how far your flash falls. I have seen photogs taking pics during the cosplay masq with flash. With some cameras it is really pointless to use it because the flash isn't falling where you need it to. In fact I have had some really nice pics messed up because of another photogs flash bouncing off surfaces including my lens. Know the depth and width of your flash and by a few adjustments you could end up with some better shots without it.

Red eyes from your flash. Read your manual to know how to adjust this. Other light sources along with flash can cause this effect because of light bouncing off of surfaces or too many light sources.

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Cosplayers ~ What to do: :D
1. Ask yourself: "Would I want insert name(s) here to see this?" and listen to your answer. If in doubt.... DON'T :)

2. Know your character & the personality before you cosplay.
This is more directed towards the female cosplayers but it is good for all cosplayers. If you want to cosplay a female character that is dressed provocatively or in very little know that you will get attention and it won't always be good.  Because of this I am posting it under what NOT to do also ^^)

3. Make sure your costume fits! This is already addressed partly, but make sure that your skirt/shorts don't ride up, your top doesn't gap, etc. Also know your body type and how to cover yourself, especially if you are busty and wearing something low-cut. If you don't have the right skills to pattern something that fits, then either alter it, get help (from a friend/parent/whoever or by commissioning that piece), or choose a new costume. You don't want too much skin showing because you didn't realize your skirt had ridden up or when you leaned over, your breasts spilled out.

- When in doubt, use bodytape. Even if something doesn't fit perfectly, this stuff can at least hold it in place to fake the fit. Plus, it prevents too much skin from showing.

- For added protection, shorts, opaque tights, and bodysuits can be worn. Again, you don't want to accidentally show too much. If you are afraid of a panty shot, then prevent one to begin with. This is especially important in short skirts with fullness (like a pleated sailor fuku skirt) and especially if it is full enough to require petticoats, because the swing the skirt and the skirt standing away from the body makes accidental panty shots really easy.(Nina Star 9)

Cosplayers ~ What NOT to do: :o
Guys:
1. Put some back on!
Make sure you don't "Fall/peek" out of your bottoms (especially those Spartans :) Get the right size to handle those "unexpected" moments.

2. Know your character & the personality before you cosplay.
So your friends talked you into this character but you don't really know it. Ask them for the info on the who, what how and why so that you can be better prepared. It makes for better photos and may explain some comments or attitudes towards the character your wearing...

3. Don't Assume She is like the Character she is wearing.
Though some girls want attention others don't. So if she is dressed as that sexy fighter character with the big breasts and seductive eyes don't think that the girl underneath is just like that. (Personally I would slap you if you thought & acted as though I was) so be careful when you assume because they may just be "Cosplaying".. you know Character Role Playing... and not really be that way.

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Girls:
1. Don't "Janet Jackson" your chest :)
Make sure your breasts are secure in your top so you don't "accidentally" expose yourself.

2. Know your character & the personality before you cosplay.
So your friends talked you into this character but you don't really know it. Ask them for the info on the who, what how and why so that you can be better prepared. It makes for better photos and may explain some comments or attitudes towards the character your wearing...

This is more directed towards the female cosplayers but it is good for all cosplayers. If you want to cosplay a female character that is dressed provocatively or in very little know that you will get attention and it won't always be good.  ^^)

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Make-up tips, tricks, advice, links and the like: ;D

1. Links that were suggested:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nJXK5EJEQA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pceokOMQycY

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Cosplayers ~ Pointers for Posing: :P

1. Do a test run in your cosplay.
Run through your character poses in front of a mirror, your friends, or other trusted person. Tell them that you want to make sure you aren't revealing too much (besides checking the poses for coolness :P ) so that you don't give out "Fan Boy/Fan Girl" service unexpectedly and have it caught in digital form FOREVER ^^)

2. Practice more than one pose.
When I shoot a cosplayer I normally want more than one pose when it is a single and when in a group it is nice to change it up. You should do some posing practice for a group shot because some will end up positioned lower and that may change how you pose.

3. Practice holding the pose.
Many times I watch walk-ons during the cosplay masquerade and they do not hold their pose long enough.

If you are posing for a photog out and about hold your pose for an eight count &/or listen to the photog to make sure they are ready so you aren't holding the pose forever.

When you do a walk on hold your pose for at least an eight count even to a twelve count. If you move to fast those images run the risk of being blurry. Cameras need to be adjusted and not everyone can do this quickly. During a masquerade the time is even shorter.

If you are with a group make sure you practice your group poses too. On stage or off time is of the essence and being able to hit your mark will help to make everything run smoothly.

4. If you need a break from the pose speak up.
Photographers are patient people and many times there will be a countdown to a break to stand and stretch out your body before doing the next shot. This is where practicing before hand really pays off by steadying yourself and getting used to holding it for longer periods. Knowing when and how to adjust without moving a lot.

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What we can all do:

1. Step UP and lend a hand.
If you think something looks off or strange step up and make sure that person is ok by letting Fanime Staff know. I will have a table on the first floor of the Convention Center with a staff person there at all times during the day.

2. Ask for a friend or another cosplayer.
If you have read this and find yourself standing next to a "shy" or "new" cosplayer that doesn't know step up and ask the photographer questions. This will help the new ones learn how to protect their self and let the photographer know that someone is paying attention.

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Being a fat white chick...I'm pretty safe from the creepy people.  However, I'm still very careful because I do work in the education feild and I really don't need a picture of me on the internet having a Janet Jackson moment (you all know what I mean).

Because I cosplay Lady Tsunade a lot of poses can be revealing.  For me the question is always "would I want my students to see this?" for some of you it might be "would I want my husband/wife/children/parents to see this?"  if you have to think about it for more than 5 seconds don't do it.

Know your cosplay, know how it moves with your body.  Before you walk out in public try posing infront of a mirror and/or friends to find out what looks appropriate to you.

Also, if those of us older cospeeps see something that looks like one of the younger generation being pressured by one of the creeps we should probably step up and ask the cosplayer if they're ok, if they know this person, if they want to stop/leave.  Just saying, we can all work together to keep the the fountains area safe.

lmao at EurobeatKing warning people about "creepy photographers".

I updated the 2nd post to reflect some of your good points BrightHear76 :) Thanks for the input ^^)

When in doubt, ask for a business card. If somehow the final picture doesn't come out the way you intended it to be, you can always ask e-mail or instant message the photographer to take down that picture - they'll honor the request.
I plan to hand out my business card for that reason when I take pictures @ Fanime this year.

Quote from: RaddaX2 on April 29, 2009, 10:19:15 AM
lmao at EurobeatKing warning people about "creepy photographers".

are you trying to suggest something?   :P

Things for Cosplayers:

Practice more then one pose. It helps you keep from getting tired of posing and makes sure that not every pic of you on the net looks the same.

Like others have said. Practice moving in the costume and wearing it for as long as you plan to at con. It's amazing how hot something a simple as a wig can get after too long. (Found that out the hard way with my first costume.)

Not everyone is rocking a multi-hundred dollar camera that can shoot on the fly. Save that pose for once they have their camera up and ready. Makes things easier for you not trying to hold that pose for too long.

Know when to retreat.  ;D If you're tired then drop the pose, relax a minute and then resume if you want to.


Things for Photographers:

If possible try and not stop cosplayers in the dealers hall. It's often disruptive to the flow of traffic.

Make sure you have permission before taking a pic. You get better pictures and don't look like a creep.

Remember people can't hold a pose forever.

Group Meets are your friend. They tend to give you the best chance of finding a particular character from that series. That and they are usually pretty awesome.


Heh. I'll be attending Fanime for the 7th year this year and I am definately excited because this year I have a new camera for taking pictures with. Canon Rebel XSi if anyone cared.

BSaphire: I deleted the thread that i made cos people there, mainly photographers, weren't taking the thread seriously.  :P So you can keep this thread going here. 

 Eurobeat King is  just another creepy otaku. Tne only difference is hes good at photography. The reason for his reknown is beyond me.

I also have a friend who is profesional. ( Not as bad as Eurobeat becuase he takes pictures of everyone) But perosonally, he is disturbingly obsesseed with the 'MOE" and has about every 'figureine' ever made.

This is anime, I dont trust any male photrographers and only cosplay as guys. If you dont want to be harrassed by them dont wear skimpy outfits. If you must, pose modestly. If THAT doesnt work, tell them go F-themselves.

I had a feeling a topic like this would be like opening a can of worms

Quote from: bahamutknightzero on May 07, 2009, 11:28:06 AM
I had a feeling a topic like this would be like opening a can of worms

I know that there are always those wormy apples... :P

I was hoping that the seasoned cosplayers and common photographers out here would post some helpful hints and suggestions to the many new/newer cosplayers and help them out. I've heard it in conversation with so many of you through out the years, but I didn't want to make this thread based on what I have said... so how about some tips/pointers/suggestions cospeeps! Help each other out... ^^)

Arigato
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Quote from: BSaphire on May 07, 2009, 11:50:54 AM

Quote from: bahamutknightzero on May 07, 2009, 11:28:06 AM
I had a feeling a topic like this would be like opening a can of worms

I know that there are always those wormy apples... :P

I was hoping that the seasoned cosplayers and common photographers out here would post some helpful hints and suggestions to the many new/newer cosplayers and help them out. I've heard it in conversation with so many of you through out the years, but I didn't want to make this thread based on what I have said... so how about some tips/pointers/suggestions cospeeps! Help each other out... ^^)

Arigato
B

It isnt that I dont want to contribute constructivley,  I just dont know what spicific tips your looking for.

There will always be creeps and they will always hide behind a smile and a camera
Be weary and dont dress too scantly, unless you want pervy otaku snapping panty shots, then by all means.

I dont know what else can be said.

Quote from: bahamutknightzero on May 07, 2009, 11:28:06 AM
I had a feeling a topic like this would be like opening a can of worms

Some people just don't take the subject seriously enough..

There are just too many creepy photographers and pervs that outnumber the polite photographers.  That's the case at EVERY convention..

Well with some of the outfits some of the females wear, I wonder why...

I feel left out not being in that list  :P

Anyways, if they're like our old badges from previous years, press badges are brightly colored green and stick out like a sore thumb so look for those.

It's good practice for photographers to hand out their business cards and to inform the person where they can find their pictures, though it's understandable it can be difficult when a cosplayer is being mobbed for photos.
We try out best to every year regardless at every convention.

Any advice for folks without press pass, well known, etc and how not to be creepy.  I took very few photos last year because I didn't want to be creepy. Cool thing is that I was contacted by a couple people for photoshoots after looking at my past cosplay event photos.

I usually wear a deviantArt cap or shirt and have the location of where my pictures will be posted on my camera straps. People at least know where to look, since I don't have business cards.

Always ask politely for permission to take a photo, and make sure to thank them afterwards.
Typically as long as you are polite about your requests, it should be fine, just try not to be nervous and have fun.

Quote from: BSaphire on April 29, 2009, 08:56:25 AM
Here is your lists:  ;D

Pointers on How to tell if a photographer is professional: 8)
1. Look to see if they have a "FANIME-CON" Press Badge.
Fanime-Con press badges are different from your attendee/staff/industry/guest/etc badges. They should say the name, company, badge number and PRESS on it. A press badge from Fanime means that person/company has met the business/convention requirements to receive a badge and doesn't mean you don't have to trust your gut... ALWAYS Trust YOU first!

This is inaccurate.

Obviously you haven't applied for Press badges. I always get turned away because
straight cosplay con photography doesn't count as official press, much less private shoots.

Just thought I should set that straight.
Don't believe me? Try asking AX for a press badge and see what happens.

If you can't control what's around you, start controling what you can to the degree you feel comfortable going to the con.
Whining about photographers isn't going to solve anything.

I should also add, if the photog wants to pose with you, that's NOT professional.
The only people I pose with are close people I've known for years, and those are crack shots at best.

Counter-points

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Creepy photogs? Sure they're in the wrong, but they're part of the con at this point.
It's part of the risk of going to the con. the photographer already can legally post it anywhere without your permission if he's not selling it (like flickr) legally - tough luck.
Walk away, dress more conservatively, get the boyfriend to be your bodyguard, etc etc. If you're that scared, then stop wearing the costume - just do something about it to end the uncomfortable situation.

2)
"guys are creepy" - I agree. But what about the girls what dress up in skimpy cosplay just for attention? Sexism goes both ways in any given situation.

Quote from: quantbits on May 08, 2009, 12:03:52 AM
This is inaccurate.

Obviously you haven't applied for Press Badges before.

You might want to show a little more respect to the moderator here, since BSaphire has actually run conventions so I think she knows how to handle Press Relations.

Quote from: YuuEurobeat King is  just another creepy otaku. The only difference is hes good at photography. The reason for his reknown is beyond me.

I thank you for the compliment about the photography.  However, I don't appreciate someone I don't know (or maybe I do know) calling me "creepy."  I'm sorry, but that's just disrespectful..  go do that in 4chan, but not here..

Quote from: HeeroYuy135 on April 30, 2009, 12:26:02 AM
If somehow the final picture doesn't come out the way you intended it to be, you can always ask e-mail or instant message the photographer to take down that picture - they'll honor the request.

I've done that, but I'm not sure if they were joking or not and I didn't want to chance it.

This is a great help to those girls that want to cosplay but are nervous I'm glad you posted it Saphire! :3

Quote from: quantbits on May 08, 2009, 12:03:52 AM

Quote from: BSaphire on April 29, 2009, 08:56:25 AM
Here is your lists:  ;D

Pointers on How to tell if a photographer is professional: 8)
1. Look to see if they have a "FANIME-CON" Press Badge.
Fanime-Con press badges are different from your attendee/staff/industry/guest/etc badges. They should say the name, company, badge number and PRESS on it. A press badge from Fanime means that person/company has met the business/convention requirements to receive a badge and doesn't mean you don't have to trust your gut... ALWAYS Trust YOU first!

This is inaccurate.

Obviously you haven't applied for Press badges. I always get turned away because
straight cosplay con photography doesn't count as official press, much less private shoots.

Just thought I should set that straight.

First of all I would like to thank everyone for their points on this subject & I will modify the second post to reflect a section for photogs later today. Thank you EBK for the support. :)

Now for the subject at large: I am sitting here typing this looking at my previous FANIME CON press badges. They have been bright neon green in the past and I hope they stick to that because it is easy to spot. My previous FANIME CON Press badges say my name, my business, a number & PRESS along with nice art and FanimeCon with the year. The same goes for my Sakura-Con Press badges and others.

Quote from: quantbits on May 08, 2009, 12:03:52 AMDon't believe me? Try asking AX for a press badge and see what happens.

I have not attended AX so I do NOT have one of their press badges. I sometimes go and support a con as an attendee or help out being staff. Since 2005 I have been organizing the Cosplayer Gatherings @ Fanime and this year it has been made an official "STAFF" position so look for me to wear a "Staff" badge instead of a "Press" badge.

You pointed out that you have not been able to receive a "Press" badge for cosplayer con photography and there are many conventions that do not give them for just that. Many photographers I know do more than just shoot photos of cosplayers. Not all of those even apply for a press badge.

Quote from: quantbits on May 08, 2009, 12:03:52 AMIf you can't control what's around you, start controling what you can to the degree you feel comfortable going to the con.
Whining about photographers isn't going to solve anything.

I didn't start this thread over here for peeps to "Whin" about photographers, but I knew that there would be those that need to express their point of view about how & why the feel the way they do so I only ask that peeps be nice and make this a positive expression to help others and not a piss and moan about the wrongs of their past.

I agree that no one can totally control what is going on around them and that each should control themselves & act on what makes them feel uncomfortable by taking steps to re establish a comfortable zone for their self.

What one person may perceive as a threat another may not. By looking out for each other we are less likely to have harm come to one another.

Quote from: quantbits on May 08, 2009, 12:03:52 AMI should also add, if the photog wants to pose with you, that's NOT professional.
The only people I pose with are close people I've known for years, and those are crack shots at best.

As for photographers posing with their subjects I will address this from ONLY my experience on the subject:

I am a costumer and a cosplayer along with a photographer and journalist. You can add to that a mother of 4 and a grandmother of 2 so know that this is the basis of my perspective:

I have shot photos of many cosplayers and professionals in various different fields. Many times I have been asked if I want to be in the photo with the people and most times I decline (as a photog) but I have stood along side David Williams (Executive Producer ADV) when he wanted a photo with "Puu" (a plushie I made of the character from YYH) him and I and asked an attendee to take it for him. I posed in my Izumi Curits (FMA) for Vic Mignogna's personal photo and I have taken pictures with several cosplayers because they have asked.

Being a person of several roles I try to respect each person and who they are from professional to attendee and I think every professional photographer I know is the same way. When we cosplay we stop and pose for pics just as we would ask someone else to do for us. I never ask them for a card, but have been given many. When we shoot photos we (the professional photogs I know) ask to take photos and give out a business card. Often I let the subject (s) see the photo (s) and I respect when I am asked to wait or even if I am told no they have always been polite.

It is my guess that you or someone you know has not been treated respectfully and for that I am sorry, however I would hope that no one is offended if I did ever want to pose with someone cosplaying a character I love for a photo because for me that is my way of saying I really respect the hard work into your costume, the quality of your costume, or even that I am impressed with the cosplayer's portrayal of the character, but that is me and not everyone.

Quote from: quantbits on May 08, 2009, 12:03:52 AM
Counter-points

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Creepy photogs? Sure they're in the wrong, but they're part of the con at this point.
It's part of the risk of going to the con. the photographer already can legally post it anywhere without your permission if he's not selling it (like flickr) legally - tough luck.
Walk away, dress more conservatively, get the boyfriend to be your bodyguard, etc etc. If you're that scared, then stop wearing the costume - just do something about it to end the uncomfortable situation.

2)
"guys are creepy" - I agree. But what about the girls what dress up in skimpy cosplay just for attention? Sexism goes both ways in any given situation.

On 1): It is true that there will be a "creepy" photog out there when you cosplay and these are good suggestions for many to help limit/reduce/eliminate the "Creepiness" of a situation.

On 2): "Creepy" has been a word used for mostly male photographers & more often by female cosplayers to describe a male photographer, but I have heard it used to describe one or two female photogs by both male & female cosplayers.

As a mother of three girls I want to put out there what I told them with the characters they choose to cosplay:

A cosplay is a physical representation of an artists drawing of a particular character. How that character is portrayed in the series is a product of the writers/directors/producers of the given series. In real life people will not see the sweet young girl portraying the character but rather the character being portrayed.

Most artists do not draw sweet innocent girls for the leading role with out something "bad" happening to that character. Most artists draw female characters with large breasts, scantily dressed, with seductive gestures, eyes, or movement. If they are innocent leading females they get shorter skirts with white bloomer shots, nit wit or naive personalities that lend a hand to their victimization or the villain doesn't succeed with out domination/destruction/possession/etc. of the given female character. Many times a female character is drawn and written to reflect many of both sides.

So when a female cosplayer is portraying a "revealing" costume they should note that how they are dressed could (and probably will) draw unwanted attention from others. Yes "sexism" does go both ways.

Thank you quantbits for posting your points and I do hope that they help some behave better and others to act proactively for their safety. ^^)

Quote from: Eurobeat King on May 08, 2009, 12:22:55 AM

I thank you for the compliment about the photography.  However, I don't appreciate someone I don't know (or maybe I do know) calling me "creepy."  I'm sorry, but that's just disrespectful..  go do that in 4chan, but not here..

Youve taken my picture a couple times before, ( and they were awesome thank you) but no, I dont know you.

At  every con I hear " Eurobeat King is a great photogropher but he only takes pictures of scantly clad women and MOE " 
Based on your galleries..Id say 'most' but not all.
So youve  got a reputation.


On the 'sexism goes both ways' - Its incredibly annoying and dont blame the photographers at all. A lot of them really are asking for it.

And the double standard UGH!  Even my best women friends get PISSED and leave if two male cosplaying are hugging, but dont even SEE it when female cosplayers hug, or generally do suggestive posses.

Im digressing, I know. I guess the main point is 'just say no'.

I have updated the second post to reflect many of the points that were listed.

I strongly urge those who have the desire to finger point or name call to not do that on this thread. If a photographer has made you feel like they were "creepy" in the past then post that this action or that behavior from photographers in general can come across as "creepy". Offer a suggestion on how to achieve the photos with out acting "creepy".

I don't want to see this thread digress into an ugly finger pointing childish post war. I will shut it down if it comes to that. I opened this up to everyone because each person does have something positive to offer in the way of advise and that is what I am looking for.

Thank you very much

BSaphire

BTW: I was wondering what everyone thinks of those people who come to Fanime to take pictures of the cosplayers out in the Fountain area with out a badge?

Quote from: Yuu on May 08, 2009, 11:44:12 AM
Youve taken my picture a couple times before, ( and they were awesome thank you) but no, I dont know you.

At  every con I hear " Eurobeat King is a great photographer but he only takes pictures of scantly clad women and MOE " 
Based on your galleries..Id say 'most' but not all.
So you've  got a reputation.

You're welcome for the pictures.  I'm glad you liked them.  If you do see me at Fanime and want pictures, feel free to say hi and i'll be happy to take pictures.  :D

I get bashed a lot, for the pictures I take, and for the pictures I don't take..  I've been going to cons for many years and have met a lot of people, and made a lot of friends.  So I do tend to take more pictures of my friends, I admit.  What costume(s) they choose to make is up to them.  So if you see a lot of pictures of the same cosplayer, it's because I know them. :)

BSaphire:  It's up to you to close this thread or not.  Since Quantumbits has yet to reply to your reply, his response will determine if he accepts your facts about your convention-experiences & photography.  From that point, it's your choice to keep it open or close it.   

As long as this thread stays positive and can help I will keep it open.

I too have had criticisms and I have learned from them, but no one can please everyone ALL the time so I have listened and adjusted where I have needed to.

I do admit that being a female photographer has been a benefit for me and that most male photographers will come across as "creepy" to someone somewhere at some point, but all we can do is try to be better people all the way around.

I'm glad that you are out there trying to grab photos of as many cosplayers as possible. I can attest that it is nearly impossible and anyone who tries to do it at a con the size of Fanime is just plain CRAZY! *giggle  ::)

Squidges
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Should females view males that are scantly clad (like spartans) the same way females are viewed (like Mai from KOF). Would males take offense if they were treated the way some females have been treated?

What do you think?

Quote from: Eurobeat King on May 07, 2009, 12:19:51 PM

Quote from: bahamutknightzero on May 07, 2009, 11:28:06 AM
I had a feeling a topic like this would be like opening a can of worms

Some people just don't take the subject seriously enough..

There are just too many creepy photographers and pervs that outnumber the polite photographers.  That's the case at EVERY convention..

Al, I'm going to have to take objection at that line.  There are definitely a number of creepy photographers out there, but I honestly do not believe they overwhelm the number of polite, or at least non-threatening ones.  I guess I have a little bit more faith in humanity and con attendees on this one.  If the majority of con photographers really were creeps, the best recommendation would then become "don't have your picture taken at all unless you know who it is".  And that's counterproductive overall.

Quote from: quantbits on May 08, 2009, 12:03:52 AM
This is inaccurate.

Obviously you haven't applied for Press badges. I always get turned away because
straight cosplay con photography doesn't count as official press, much less private shoots.

Depends on your con.  At some cons, this has been plenty sufficient to get a press badge.  At some cons, frankly, this is even MORE than sufficient.  This is from someone who has gotten press badges before and have known some of the people who have.

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As for BSaphire's advice, while these are definitely indicators of a professional photographer, the problem is that press badges at some cons haven't been as hard to get perhaps as they should be.  As such, I would suggest not taking that as a be-all-end-all.  There is more at risk, admittedly, but this is definitely not a foolproof indicator by any means.  The remainder (courteousness, willingness to show pictures) are still fair signs, but these are also signs of someone who is being respectful as a photographer. 

If in doubt, definitely ask to see their photos (thank God for digital).  Ask for a business card/website.  But otherwise, I think in this regard, common sense is a good indicator to begin.  If you pay attention to what they're doing, hopefully you can catch them before they do something stupid.  Other than that, treat them as a stranger until you know better.  While it can't eliminate the snipers, this should at least help avoid most problems.  And if you do not trust your common sense well enough to know better, it always helps to have a friend with a second opinion.

And hell, strike up a conversation with some of us.  You'd be surprised how many of us are happy and willing to make friends and explain things.

And while I'd argue I could fit on that list you've created, BSaphire, I think it does a great disservice to create such a list that is so narrowly inclusive that potentially the wrong idea might be given: that whoever ISN'T on that list isn't to be trusted.  There are plenty of people who are NOT on that narrow list, who have been doing photography long enough that they've got the trust of several people who know them well, who have published good, even great photos, who are going to be at Fanime.  So for the purposes of keeping in line, don't let this be a note to include me.  I'd rather not.

Besides, I can keep plenty busy without people finding out I'm trustworthy. ;)

Quote from: wonderfishAl, I'm going to have to take objection at that line.  There are definitely a number of creepy photographers out there, but I honestly do not believe they overwhelm the number of polite, or at least non-threatening ones. 

Who is this, btw?  Only 3 posts here on the forums suggests a newbie, but seeing "i360" makes it sound like I know you.  Perhaps I was mistaken by saying there are more creepy-photographers at every con, and that's not the case for smaller conventions.  I guess it's just my witnessing of a large amount of these people at conventions like WonderCon, San Diego Comic Con, and Dragon-con.  The three I've mentioned are sci-fi/comic conventions, but I just don't want to see more anime conventions turning into these examples.  This year's CBFParade was a good example about how the # of creepy-photographers increased more and more each year. 

We'll see come 2 weeks..

Quote from: Eurobeat King on May 08, 2009, 08:10:51 PM

Quote from: wonderfishAl, I'm going to have to take objection at that line.  There are definitely a number of creepy photographers out there, but I honestly do not believe they overwhelm the number of polite, or at least non-threatening ones. 

Who is this, btw?  Only 3 posts here on the forums suggests a newbie, but seeing "i360" makes it sound like I know you.  Perhaps I was mistaken by saying there are more creepy-photographers at every con, and that's not the case for smaller conventions.  I guess it's just my witnessing of a large amount of these people at conventions like WonderCon, San Diego Comic Con, and Dragon-con.  The three I've mentioned are sci-fi/comic conventions, but I just don't want to see more anime conventions turning into these examples.  This year's CBFParade was a good example about how the # of creepy-photographers increased more and more each year. 

We'll see come 2 weeks..

Well, obviously, I don't spend too much time on these forums (or on forums much anymore, to be honest.  Unfortunately, I've been really quiet on CosCom too as of late), because I waste way too much time on LJ anyway.  If I spent a lot of time posting on every forum for a convention I go to, I'd probably go a little nuts.  So of course my post count's going to be a little low.  It is me, Al.  I've been Jason as long as I know.  I am who my sig says I am, as there'd be little reason to impersonate a guy like me anyway.  At least, I hope so.  :P  I'm kind of surprised I remembered I had this account, as the last time I think I used this I was posting links to pictures up years ago (I've been lazy about that too; I need to fix that).  I don't use this handle often, only when I'm bored and don't feel like going by some variant of first initial last name instead.

The issue I have isn't with the idea that there aren't creepy photographers out there.  We both know there are, and they probably exist at every event.  Admittedly, being stuck down here in So. Cal, I couldn't see how many people there were out in force at the CBF, but that's more of an open-to-the-public type event anyway, one where the audience isn't there to see anime or cosplay.  I just don't like the idea of thinking that there are more of them out there than there are people who are just doing this and having fun.  I'm not worried about the vast majority of photographers out there.  There's no reason to be.  There's plenty of reason to worry about the few questionable ones, but I believe they are few, and they generally aren't so sophisticated as to not be noticeable.

Yes, those three events will likely have more of them.  Those events are also driven by the public at large.  D*C's nature doesn't help it.  I've definitely had my share of issues with some of the attendees at SDCC, especially drunk masquerade hecklers. :/

I'd rather people not be scared and not be willing to have pictures taken though just because a few bad eggs are out there ruining things for everyone else.  A little common sense goes a long way.

Hello there Jason ^^) I haven't listed all the professional photographers out there and I wasn't sure who from i360 would be coming to shoot. Does that mean you are? The photographers list is mearly a list of photogs who frequent Fanime to shoot photos and where they are from. I would like to add your name to the list so that people can expect to find someone representing i360 shooting pics.

I wanted to clarify that I did state that a Press badge doesn't mean they are ok ...
"1. Look to see if they have a "FANIME CON" Press Badge.
Fanime-Con press badges are different from your attendee/staff/industry/guest/etc badges. They should say the name, company, badge number and PRESS on it.
A press badge from Fanime means that person/company has met the business/convention requirements to receive a badge and doesn't mean you don't have to trust your gut... ALWAYS Trust YOU first! "

So I changed it to this:
Pointers on How to tell if a photographer is professional: 8)
1. Look to see if they have a "FANIME CON" Press Badge.
Fanime-Con press badges are different from your attendee/staff/industry/guest/etc badges. They should say the name, company, badge number and PRESS on it.
A press badge from Fanime means that person/company has met the business/convention requirements to receive a badge and doesn't mean you don't have to trust your gut... ALWAYS Trust YOU first!


I also went ahead and added some advice to the Known Photogs list:

"Known Photographers & where they are from: :)
This list is provided so that you know some of the company photographers out there. You be the judge and trust your instincts or ask your friends their opinion on any photographer. If you change your mind that is ok. :)

01. Brocas & Star ~ California Cosplay Times
02. BSaphire ~ Blue Saphire Productions & Fanime Cosplayer Gatherings Organizer
03. Derek Shaw ~ Fanime Official Photographer ~ Derek Shaw Photography
04. EurobeatKing ~ Cosplay.com
05. Llyonel ~ LLNN ~ usagichan2.com
06. Robert Sr. ~ Consplayers.com
07. Super No.1 ~ super-no1.com
08. Traveling Valentine ~ scarlet-rhapsody.com
09.
10."

I am not trying to do a disservice to any photographers out there because their name is not on the list that is why I added numbers. The ones I placed were the ones on the top of my head at the time. So PLEASE let me know whom from i360 will be coming and I will add them. ^^) I expected this list to have been the longest one out of all of them... :P

Between EBK & you I'm sure you could name off some photogs and their company so that list can get bigger... right ;)

I really liked how you phrased this:
If you pay attention to what they're doing, hopefully you can catch them before they do something stupid.  Other than that, treat them as a stranger until you know better.  While it can't eliminate the snipers, this should at least help avoid most problems.
This is good advice and goes along with trusting your instincts or the advice of your friends. I agree with this too...
And hell, strike up a conversation with some of us.  You'd be surprised how many of us are happy and willing to make friends and explain things.
I enjoy meeting new people and I have some really great friends because of a picture starting a conversation that progressed into a friendship.

I'm glad you posted Jason and you wouldn't have to "argue" any point with me to be on the list cause I will add you to it... just let me know if there are any other i360 photogs coming.

Quote from: wonderfish on May 08, 2009, 09:16:57 PM
There are definitely a number of creepy photographers out there, but I honestly do not believe they overwhelm the number of polite, or at least non-threatening ones.... 

At Fanime I have noticed an increase in "Creepy" photographers since 2004 butthat number is but a handful compared to the numbers of polite or non-threatening photographers. Something like 1 creepy for every 10 polite :)

Quote from: wonderfish on May 08, 2009, 09:16:57 PM...The issue I have isn't with the idea that there aren't creepy photographers out there.  We both know there are, and they probably exist at every event.  Admittedly, being stuck down here in So. Cal, I couldn't see how many people there were out in force at the CBF, but that's more of an open-to-the-public type event anyway, one where the audience isn't there to see anime or cosplay....

I too have noticed an increased number of them at comic, scifi, and outdoor event as compared to anime type events.

The thing that has me concerned is the average age of the attendee at a comic or scifi event is 20+ and the average age at an anime event is 15. My concern comes from the fact that so many children are there and less adults so the "Creepy" photogs can operate easier with in the confines of this youthful, innocent, excited, naive group who are still young enough to sort of "trust" the adults they come in contact with.
PLEASE NOTE the majority of us adults there are looking out for their safety and are to be trusted... BUT THEY MUST ALWAYS TRUST THEIR SELF FIRST!
That is where the possible problem could come into play. If all of us nice people look out for each other then the risk decreases. If everyone is much more aware of their surroundings, who to go to for help or advice, or know where a "Safe" area is then it lessens the chance even further.

Quote from: wonderfish on May 08, 2009, 09:16:57 PM...I just don't like the idea of thinking that there are more of them out there than there are people who are just doing this and having fun.  I'm not worried about the vast majority of photographers out there.  There's no reason to be.  There's plenty of reason to worry about the few questionable ones, but I believe they are few, and they generally aren't so sophisticated as to not be noticeable....

I too believe they are few and the good are many just want to raise awareness to the possible problem and give positive advice from EVERYONE on prevention, things to do, things not to do, and where to go if needed. As you stated in a prior post: "If you pay attention to what they're doing, hopefully you can catch them before they do something stupid.  Other than that, treat them as a stranger until you know better.  While it can't eliminate the snipers, this should at least help avoid most problems."

Quote from: wonderfish on May 08, 2009, 09:16:57 PM...I'd rather people not be scared and not be willing to have pictures taken though just because a few bad eggs are out there ruining things for everyone else.  A little common sense goes a long way.

Though common sense goes a long way... teenagers don't always use that first :P I just want the noobies out there to know that many of us look out for them so that they can enjoy their convention experience.

I personally find this to be a great list of tips. You can't really change the photographers, but you can be more aware and more confident and know how to avoid creeps. You should be able to cosplay who you want (within reason, meaning how much skin you are comfortable with showing and how much skin is prudent to show in the Fanime envrionment) without having to be paranoid.


I have a couple more tips, mostly for females, and hopefully people do this anyway, but I have seen some unflattering shots where these things would come into play (and unflattering angles in real life where these things come into play...).

- Make sure your costume fits! This is already addressed partly, but make sure that your skirt/shorts don't ride up, your top doesn't gap, etc. Also know your body type and how to cover yourself, especially if you are busty and wearing something low-cut. If you don't have the right skills to pattern something that fits, then either alter it, get help (from a friend/parent/whoever or by comissioning that piece), or choose a new costume. You don't want too much skin showing because you didn't realize your skirt had ridden up or when you leaned over, your boobs spilled out.

- When in doubt, use bodytape. Even if something doesn't fit perfectly, this stuff can at least hold it in place to fake the fit. Plus, it prevents too much skin from showing.

- For added protection, shorts, opaque tights, and bodysuits can be worn. Again, you don't want to accidentally show too much. If you are afraid of a panty shot, then prevent one to begin with. This is especially important in short skirts with fullness (like a pleated sailor fuku skirt) and especially if it is full enough to require petticoats, because the swing the skirt and the skirt standing away from the body makes accidental panty shots really easy.


Not really relevant to the creepiness, but cosplayers, please wear some makeup! It only really has to be powder, mascara, and maybe a touch of blush (if you have acne, like me, then skip the blush unless you can find some miracle blush that doesn't accentuate the redness... in which case tell me!), but it makes your photos look so much better. Even better if you wear more that is skillfully applied to look natural and lovely (or unnatural and lovely, depending on the character, haha).


I hope this helps somewhat.

Ok, after reading some of the comments here I am a little concerned. It seems like photographers (particularly male ones) are being made out to be the bad guys. So what can us male photographers do to ensure we don't get a bad rap?

Personally I stick with being polite, asking permission, always showing them a copy of the picture before they go, getting a picture of everyone (both as individuals and a group) if they traveling as a group, letting them pose themself and making sure to thank them when I am done. I don't carry business card because I am taking pictures as a fan, not a business or service. Is this something I should change, even if I only post the pictures of myself and my friends?

Quote from: Neo-Zaku on May 10, 2009, 02:17:58 PM
Ok, after reading some of the comments here I am a little concerned. It seems like photographers (particularly male ones) are being made out to be the bad guys. So what can us male photographers do to ensure we don't get a bad rap?

Personally I stick with being polite, asking permission, always showing them a copy of the picture before they go, getting a picture of everyone (both as individuals and a group) if they traveling as a group, letting them pose themself and making sure to thank them when I am done. I don't carry business card because I am taking pictures as a fan, not a business or service. Is this something I should change, even if I only post the pictures of myself and my friends?

There is a number of us that would be in the same boat, yeah.  I'm not a professional photographer (so no business card for me either), but I do enjoy taking pictures as a fan, but I make it a point to be polite about asking for pictures if they aren't already posing for them, respecting the wishes of the cosplayer in any given instance, and I post the pictures publically (my Fanime cosplay photography link is right in my signature here).  However, the way the thread's been worded, it gives the impression that only professional photographers with business cards are to be trusted and anyone not in that category can assumed to be creepy.  It might not have been the intended tone, but the impression is given.

Quote from: Eurobeat King on May 08, 2009, 12:50:03 PM

Quote from: Yuu on May 08, 2009, 11:44:12 AM
Youve taken my picture a couple times before, ( and they were awesome thank you) but no, I dont know you.

At  every con I hear " Eurobeat King is a great photographer but he only takes pictures of scantly clad women and MOE " 
Based on your galleries..Id say 'most' but not all.
So you've  got a reputation.

You're welcome for the pictures.  I'm glad you liked them.  If you do see me at Fanime and want pictures, feel free to say hi and i'll be happy to take pictures.  :D

I get bashed a lot, for the pictures I take, and for the pictures I don't take..  I've been going to cons for many years and have met a lot of people, and made a lot of friends.  So I do tend to take more pictures of my friends, I admit.  What costume(s) they choose to make is up to them.  So if you see a lot of pictures of the same cosplayer, it's because I know them. :)

  Ill  do that. I only like to have my pictures taken by prooffesionals because Im SOO not photogenic  and pros know all the lighting/angling tricks to make me look better.

A friend of mine has met you a few times,he was the first person who said you had rep for being 'creepy'. I asked him about it. He said 'HE' personally didnt think so and figured that it had to do with 'supply and demand" of a proffesional photographerl. I didnt consider that but it doesnt seem unliklely.


Meh, I really dont think 'professional' or 'unprofessional" has any standing on wether or not their 'creepy". Hell, it could be that they're 'smart creeps' who figured out that a business card gives them free reign.

Like I said Ive got a firend who is a pro but anyone who knows him persoanlly knows hes a PERV.

This is off topic, but to Eurobeat King I actually enjoy your photographs and admire you for taking so many. I don't think you're creepy at allll :)

And I think it's fine when the photographer takes a picture with the cosplayer- I mean if I was a fangirl of some anime character/I saw a really good looking Cloud, I would definitely want to take a picture next to him.
...Yeah :)

Quote from: BSaphire on May 09, 2009, 10:15:52 AM
Hello there Jason ^^) I haven't listed all the professional photographers out there and I wasn't sure who from i360 would be coming to shoot. Does that mean you are? The photographers list is mearly a list of photogs who frequent Fanime to shoot photos and where they are from. I would like to add your name to the list so that people can expect to find someone representing i360 shooting pics.

(snip)

I am not trying to do a disservice to any photographers out there because their name is not on the list that is why I added numbers. The ones I placed were the ones on the top of my head at the time. So PLEASE let me know whom from i360 will be coming and I will add them. ^^) I expected this list to have been the longest one out of all of them... :P

While I do know who is going from my group (and yes, I am one of them; I've missed I think only 1 Fanime in the last 5 years), my concern still stands that any such list you could create probably could not be all-inclusive of all the known cosplay photographers.  To me, this is a concern, because I'd rather there not be official recognition at the con level of anyone as a photographer unless the photographer is a standing member of staff or organization (read: you and Derek offhand, and whoever is acting on behalf of staff).

The problem is that one could argue anyone NOT on the list is at a distinct disadvantage.  Those with press badges probably should be held at slightly higher trust than anyone without it, if only because they are supposed to be at least looked over at least once, even if they can't and shouldn't be held in absolute trust.  That said, I'm pretty sure everyone or almost everyone you've listed actually will have a press badge or staff badge, and that includes our group for the most part.  So I'll stick to "thanks for the invitation, but I respectfully decline".

I have no objections with who you have on the list. I simply object to the idea of a list.

Quote from: BSaphire on May 09, 2009, 10:15:52 AM
I wanted to clarify that I did state that a Press badge doesn't mean they are ok ...
"1. Look to see if they have a "FANIME CON" Press Badge.
Fanime-Con press badges are different from your attendee/staff/industry/guest/etc badges. They should say the name, company, badge number and PRESS on it.
A press badge from Fanime means that person/company has met the business/convention requirements to receive a badge and doesn't mean you don't have to trust your gut... ALWAYS Trust YOU first! "

So I changed it to this:
Pointers on How to tell if a photographer is professional: 8)
1. Look to see if they have a "FANIME CON" Press Badge.
Fanime-Con press badges are different from your attendee/staff/industry/guest/etc badges. They should say the name, company, badge number and PRESS on it.
A press badge from Fanime means that person/company has met the business/convention requirements to receive a badge and doesn't mean you don't have to trust your gut... ALWAYS Trust YOU first!

Ahh, okay. I did overlook that, and I apologize.

Quote from: BSaphire on May 09, 2009, 10:56:22 AM
At Fanime I have noticed an increase in "Creepy" photographers since 2004 butthat number is but a handful compared to the numbers of polite or non-threatening photographers. Something like 1 creepy for every 10 polite :)

And this to me is a key and important point.  Like how swine flu really has been overplayed a bit in the press for being an issue, while there are enough questionable photographers to raise concern, I think emphasis needs to be on the fact that overall, con attendees are overall a safe and pleasant group to be with, including the photographers.  Fair enough to raise warning and such, but I want to make sure there isn't a big overreaction to things.

Quote from: BSaphire on May 09, 2009, 10:56:22 AM
I too have noticed an increased number of them at comic, scifi, and outdoor event as compared to anime type events.

The thing that has me concerned is the average age of the attendee at a comic or scifi event is 20+ and the average age at an anime event is 15. My concern comes from the fact that so many children are there and less adults so the "Creepy" photogs can operate easier with in the confines of this youthful, innocent, excited, naive group who are still young enough to sort of "trust" the adults they come in contact with.
PLEASE NOTE the majority of us adults there are looking out for their safety and are to be trusted... BUT THEY MUST ALWAYS TRUST THEIR SELF FIRST!
That is where the possible problem could come into play. If all of us nice people look out for each other then the risk decreases. If everyone is much more aware of their surroundings, who to go to for help or advice, or know where a "Safe" area is then it lessens the chance even further.

It's true, admittedly. They can operate easier.  Most of the top post is fine, and I agree with the point of it (again, except the list).  The problem is I want to make sure that it's clear that list or not, most of us aren't threats.   It's a small caveat, but it's an important one.

I think as long as everyone's keeping a general eye for each other's backs and being a good citizen in terms of watching for the safety of the group in general, this problem is containable without needing to dig into things like whitelists.  Admittedly, blacklists are more problematic, but neither of these seem a better solution to me than just listing the warnings.  That's all.

Quote from: Neo-Zaku on May 10, 2009, 02:17:58 PM
Ok, after reading some of the comments here I am a little concerned. It seems like photographers (particularly male ones) are being made out to be the bad guys. So what can us male photographers do to ensure we don't get a bad rap?

Personally I stick with being polite, asking permission, always showing them a copy of the picture before they go, getting a picture of everyone (both as individuals and a group) if they traveling as a group, letting them pose themself and making sure to thank them when I am done. I don't carry business card because I am taking pictures as a fan, not a business or service. Is this something I should change, even if I only post the pictures of myself and my friends?

Thank you Neo-Zaku & Stormfalcon for being polite, asking permission and showing the pics you took. These things help cosplayers to know that you are a respectful and nice "fan" photographer. There is nothing wrong with that and there are many like both of you out there (& male ^^)

A nice attitude, behavior, and conversation are the best ways to show that you are not a "creepy" type photographer.... business card or not. If you are posting them anywhere public on the web you should let them know where so that they can see them again later should they choose to.

Quote from: Stormfalcon on May 10, 2009, 02:50:35 PM
... However, the way the thread's been worded, it gives the impression that only professional photographers with business cards are to be trusted and anyone not in that category can assumed to be creepy.  It might not have been the intended tone, but the impression is given.

? Where did I say someone was or was not creepy... ?

Pointers on How to tell if a photographer is professional:  8)
Known Photographers & where they are from:  :)
Pointers for the Photographers:"Fan" or "Professional"  :D

Oh yeah! I said "Creepy" in the title of the thread:

Creepy or not? Cosplayer pointers for photos and photographers

So I meant that to be like Either Or, One or the Other, that type of thing, but the real meaning is Cosplayer pointers for photos and photographers. The Known Photographers & Where they are from does NOT say "Non creepy" just that they are known photographers by cospeeps out there.

I have added more names to the list & included to the term "fan" photographers in a couple of areas. Most male photographers are not "creepy" in general and are very well behaved. My point is that a cosplayer should trust their feelings on a person and/or ask a trusted friend to keep their self safe.

Nina Star 9: Thanks for your tips and I will be adding some of those pointers to the list ^^)

Quote from: Yuu on May 10, 2009, 06:46:40 PM
Ill  do that. I only like to have my pictures taken by professionals because I'm SOO not photogenic  and pros know all the lighting/angling tricks to make me look better... Meh, I really don't think 'professional' or 'unprofessional" has any standing on whether or not their 'creepy".

I have met many cosplayers who feel non-photogenic because of the photos of their past. It makes me that much more excited when I get pics they REALLY like of them :) I agree with you Yuu that "professional" or "unprofessional" shouldn't determine if someone is "CREEPY" or NOT. :P

wonderfish: I respect & understand your view on the list of "known photographers" and I had a choice to put it there and wait for the post (s) that started asking who some of the "known photogs" were... or put up the list and just clarify as much as possible that these are just a few of the photographers cospeeps and attendees know. After all they should be the ones who could tell everyone else who some of the professional photogs are.

There have been a few other issues that have happened over the years out in the Fountain area. I didn't want this thread to digress into those past events so I chose this slippery slope instead of all those others ^^) Good thing I strapped on suction cups :P Seriously though it may help a few of them to locate professional photogs for some private group photos if the photog has time or maybe remind a few of them of someone that did have pics last year and they forgot to go look. ^^)

Thank you wonderfish for posting though because it helps me to clarify certain areas better and expand on some points more or retract from others. Please find me at con and say hello. If I remember right you and I have met and it has been a few years since we have seen each other. :)

I'm glad that peeps are reading this and putting up advice. It is a REALLY Good thing ^^)

Squidges
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I actually will second the list as something that works against us.
In my opinion, many photographers are really awesome are left out. (shiroin come to mind)

if you want to add to the list:

me (I have my sig directly below every post that indicates I do cosplay photography if you didn't see it)
darkrain
shiroin
evalime
muze
tenchifan


I also question point 1 being the press badge. As far as I know, the people I listed shoot great and they don't have press badges.
I think the press badge is an optional way to validate if someone is professional.
(if you want to debate press badge=higher skill in person at Fanime, let's do that. I am venturing into professional photography, and I have my own opinion on press photography.

haha, so i guess i'm labeled as a CP since i'm not on the list..... oh gawd.... o_o that's a disturbing thought....
but yes, i shall be handing out cards more often this time around... x.x;;
great guide!

BSaphire, I'll be taking photoshoots during evening hours when I'm not in the Artist Alley.  I'm new to this but it's fun. ^^
So yea, here's my bio:


The Offer:
One (1) Hour Photoshoot Sessions for individuals or groups (up to five (5) people).
Available times:
SacAnime/Fanime - after 8pm
Anime Expo - TBA
Photo Samples:
http://www.cosplay.com/gallery/147088/ (http://www.cosplay.com/gallery/147088/)
http://nikkiecole.deviantart.com/gallery/#Cosplayer-Photo-Shots (http://nikkiecole.deviantart.com/gallery/#Cosplayer-Photo-Shots)

**NOTE**
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Quote from: BSaphire on May 11, 2009, 08:47:42 PM
Seriously though it may help a few of them to locate professional photogs for some private group photos if the photog has time or maybe remind a few of them of someone that did have pics last year and they forgot to go look. ^^)

I'll grant that this list would help perhaps for those people looking.  There are just two problems:

1.  Finding known photographers to photograph groups and warning about other photographers who might be creepy are definitely two different topics altogether, and they really shouldn't be scrambled in one topic.  If the intent of the list really was to give a list of people who might be worth checking out to try to get pictures from, then really that list should be separated from this topic.

2.  I'd have less of an issue with this if it weren't for the fact that your statement presently comes as Fanime's cosplay gathering coordinator.  Stating an opinion as an individual is one thing.  However, as for the con, I'd have some expectation that the con would be  somewhat organization and individual neutral.  Classification-wise, there may be inequality (ie: press privileges over normal attendee privileges), but within such classifications, unless the con is going out of it's way to further classify individuals within the structure (say, cosplay photographers as a distinct group within press), my sense is that the con shouldn't be providing preferential treatment over and beyond that classification level.  And a list of individuals who do not carry a specific objectively determined set of criteria unique to only them has to be preferential to the individuals/organizations. 

Or in simpler terms, I dislike con staff treating one press organization as more important/powerful than another without particularly good reason, at least at the anime con level. Let the public and the organizations sort that out.

Press Badge works great if you plan on doing coverage for the official con events.
However they aren't really a necessity if the photographer spend most of his/her time shooting cosplayers rather than attending events.

I find it rather amusing that people are going around dubbing photographer "professional". Just because some  of us have a .com or print our own contact cards, it does not make us any more "professional" than the next Joe on the street. It is simply a difference between do we want to have a .com or print a card. Last time I check, 80% of us aren't even making a dollar from taking pictures.

Someone who doesn't have a badge/card doesn't make them less trustworthy, just as someone isn't more trustworthy simply because they are "professional" by the standard given in this thread.

I applaud that you're trying to create a guide line, but they are rather misleading & confusing. Website are easy to make & business card takes maybe 20 dollar and a trip to Kinkos to make.

Quote from: Cole on May 12, 2009, 12:18:18 AM
BSaphire, I'll be taking photoshoots during evening hours when I'm not in the Artist Alley.  I'm new to this but it's fun. ^^
So yea, here's my bio:

I recently got into Cosplay photography due to friends always cosplaying (go figure huh? XD).  I'm looking to improve on my photography skills, so I'd like to put up an offer to locals and semi-locals between Solano County and Sacramento.  I will also be at FAnime, Anime Expo, and SacAnime so this will apply to both cons.

The Offer:
One (1) Hour Photoshoot Sessions for individuals or groups (up to five (5) people).
Available times:
SacAnime/Fanime - after 8pm
Anime Expo - TBA
Photo Samples:
http://www.cosplay.com/gallery/147088/ (http://www.cosplay.com/gallery/147088/)
http://nikkiecole.deviantart.com/gallery/#Cosplayer-Photo-Shots (http://nikkiecole.deviantart.com/gallery/#Cosplayer-Photo-Shots)

**NOTE**
Make sure to get my card and note/pm me, otherwise may take a while to get the pics to you.

Thank you Cole for posting this. I'm sure someone out there will contact you ^^)

Quote from: wonderfishOr in simpler terms, I dislike con staff treating one press organization as more important/powerful than another without particularly good reason, at least at the anime con level. Let the public and the organizations sort that out.

Jason seriously, I was NEVER doing that intentionally. I was trying to ask the photographers and cosplayers out there to step up and give advice, websites and links in hopes that cosplayers at Fanime could recognize a photographer easier. I also would not want a con to be biased against any photographer ESPECIALLY since I have been on the receiving end of such a situation. Your right though... It is up to each person to decide for their self about any photographer they meet and with that said I will leave it up to them.


I do appreciate everyone posting... really I do, however I decided to change the first two lists. If there are ANY photographers out there coming to Fanime who would like to list where they will be posting their photos then I will add them to the new place on the second post. This way after con people can find your website, cosplay photo gallery, or photo page and view your shot.

I am sorry if I have in any way upset some of the many photographers out there. My design of this thread was to get input from all aspects of cosplay and have a place to find pointers, tidbits and tips for better photos and provide some safety tips.

I thought the many photographers out there would like to offer up some of their secrets to the cosplayers (new & old) to help them with posing, make up tips & tricks, costuming tidbits and all of that stuff. However I managed only to make some of you feel unofficial, unprofessional, or unrecognized. That was not my intention to ANY ONE. For this I am sorry and I have deleted those two topics which have seemed to cause such an issue and lead this thread to focus on only those points. Again, I'm sorry.

Are there any tips, links, suggestions, etc. that the photographers out here would like to offer?  I welcome all the cosplayers to put their advice in here too. How about some pointers for posing with your props? How to tell which is your good side? Things photographers like to do?

Hopefully this post will get this topic back on track and provide a couple of helpful lists to the many cosplayer out there.

Respectfully
BSaphire

I tried doing my eyes like the girl in this tutorial before I took my test photo's this year.  It worked pretty well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nJXK5EJEQA

Quote from: BrightHeart76 on May 12, 2009, 08:29:25 PM
I tried doing my eyes like the girl in this tutorial before I took my test photo's this year.  It worked pretty well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nJXK5EJEQA

That tutorial is amazing!  :D Might I also suggest this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pceokOMQycY

I have added to the 2nd post!

Sorry it took me so long but I just copied 1/2 your post Nina Star 9 and added it to the list :)

BrightHeart76 & BumbleB thank you for the links and helping to put this thread back on track. I didn't even know those You Tube videos were out there... interesting what one learns :P I'm sure someone will be helped by all this advice.

Squidges Cospeeps
B

For starter-
Cosers, you have the rights to refuse for photos, be it your not ready, do not feel like, want to wait till friend show up. Just because you're playing dress up doesn't mean you're obligated to be in a photo.

If you're gonna wear skirt, wear shorts under it.

If you're gonna wear a reveling top, tape down the side. Don't try to use duck tape, they won't stay on your skin. I recommend using the fashion double side tape they sell at Sally's Beauty supply.
Chances of random big commercial company want you to be a model on first sight is very little, so kill your hope first, else you're just allow yourself to be more vulnerable.

Photographer doesn't NEED you to be back at his room for photos (be it he claim he have all his light equipment in the room), hotel lobby? maybe, but hotel room? What make you think the photos will look any good with those ugly color carpet?

90% of my shot are done outside of the convention hall, so yes, there are chances we would ask you to move away from the crowd for better quality background. However, process that for a second, take a friend, hell take a couple of your friends with you for it.

Ask for preview if you feel some shots are questionable, don't fall for the whole I don't like giving out raw or I dont like people see my work before I publish it. Hell is your face on the thing, you got every right to check it out. Be it before or after post process.

http://www.cosplay.com/shoots/
Most photographer listed on that page, be it official put on by Admin, or fan submitted. Have validity to it/

http://www.cos-world.net/
Is Shirion's site.

http://www.asianschoolboy.com/
Andy's site

http://www.i360.com/
Jason & his crew's site

Quote from: Muze on May 13, 2009, 10:26:04 AM
For starter-
Cosers, you have the rights to refuse for photos, be it your not ready, do not feel like, want to wait till friend show up. Just because you're playing dress up doesn't mean you're obligated to be in a photo.

If you're gonna wear skirt, wear shorts under it.

If you're gonna wear a reveling top, tape down the side. Don't try to use duck tape, they won't stay on your skin. I recommend using the fashion double side tape they sell at Sally's Beauty supply.
Chances of random big commercial company want you to be a model on first sight is very little, so kill your hope first, else you're just allow yourself to be more vulnerable.

Photographer doesn't NEED you to be back at his room for photos (be it he claim he have all his light equipment in the room), hotel lobby? maybe, but hotel room? What make you think the photos will look any good with those ugly color carpet?

90% of my shot are done outside of the convention hall, so yes, there are chances we would ask you to move away from the crowd for better quality background. However, process that for a second, take a friend, hell take a couple of your friends with you for it.

Ask for preview if you feel some shots are questionable, don't fall for the whole I don't like giving out raw or I dont like people see my work before I publish it. Hell is your face on the thing, you got every right to check it out. Be it before or after post process.

http://www.cosplay.com/shoots/
Most photographer listed on that page, be it official put on by Admin, or fan submitted. Have validity to it/

http://www.cos-world.net/
Is Shirion's site.

http://www.asianschoolboy.com/
Andy's site

http://www.i360.com/
Jason & his crew's site

Thanks Muze for the pointers ^^) I will update the list later to include a few of these :)

Cosplayers should carry around a reference photo of the type of composition that they may want as this will help the photographer take the best photo that they can. Not every photographer knows every cosplay.

If you have a certain angle or side that you don't want photographed let the photographer know. Sometime part of the costume isn't finished or a certain prop just fell apart let the photographer know and most people would not shoot it. I shot an event and the honoree asked that we only shot him from the right side. No big deal.

Nothing wrong with asking the photographer if you can see the photo that they just took of you.

Going off of Tenchi Fan's last post, photographers please be aware of anything that doesn't look right and feel free to politely ask or let the cosplayer know before taking the picture. Examples I am referring to includes a wig being slightly off, item or article that is part of the cosplay that has been shifted or falling apart, etc.

BSaphire: Thank you very much for clearing up all the misunderstanding of the post. I really appreciate your effort in keeping this post as a tips for cosplayers as well as a general etiquette guideline for photographers.

I'd suggest cosplayers to always keep in mind that photographers are not your boss (nor your enemies  :P). Great photographs are products of great teamwork between the model (cosplayer) and the photographer. It is very important that you feel comfortable in order for us photographers to get the shot. If you don't feel comfortable doing a certain pose or to have pictures taken with a certain angle definitely let the photographer know. If in doubt, as many of us already suggested, ask to check the shot. If for whatever reasons you think the photographer is not trustworthy then don't let him/her take your pictures.

As Muze already suggested there is a high chance photographers might ask you to move to places outside of the convention hall for better lighting/location/etc. Definitely bring couple of your friends. Very likely the photographer would like the idea as it's always great to have extra helps when it comes to lighting  ;D ;D

I'd also advise cosplayers should they feel uncomfortable around a photographer, be sure to get their name / badge name / physical description of them. I know a few instances where a few acquaintances who have been in similar situations. It is just best to report them to a staff member like B Sapphire or the press department (if they have a visible press badge). Don't be afraid to speak up, because chances are, the creepy photographers are probably giving off the wrong vibe to other cosplayers. 

I consider Traveling Valentine to be more on the (fun) reporting side of the press. Though I do not consider myself as a cosplay photographer, I still take photos of cosplayers (in addition to those-creepy-but cute-doll shots,  attendee-dealer's room interaction shots, restaurant shots - gotta know what's around, staff-hard-at-work shots, and other fun this and that), and I'll always ask them politely if they want their picture taken.

Here's our site:

Scarlet Rhapsody press team (aka Traveling Valentine)
http://scarlet-rhapsody.com/

And a few others that have been accredited photographers / reporters:

Consplayers
http://www.consplayers.com/

Con Pix (Old Man Mike)
http://www.conpix.net/

Team Misaki (Bart Boy & Friends)
http://www.teammisaki.org/

Mr. Postman
http://www.cobrora.com/

Spooky Electric
http://epii.info/anime/

If you're a photographer looking to get business cards, check out vistaprint.com. You can get a decent bundle for very cheap.

Like I mentioned in the cosplay.com thread before it vanished we should have a photographers meetup like what happened last year, but have it earlier, so at least the photographers can meet each other http://www.cosplay.com/showthread.php?t=147469 (http://www.cosplay.com/showthread.php?t=147469)

can anyone give me advice regarding having fans take pictures WITH you? (or when you, as a fan, take pictures with cosplayers) i know there are some fans who sometimes ask to take pictures with a cosplayer.  this one time i asked to take a picture with pyramid head (like standing next to him) and afterward he kinda invaded my private space a bit.  i've had some cosplayers politely ask if they can place a hand on my shoulder or something (like the one time i was dressed as yuna and asked a tidus cosplayer to take a pic with me.  it was appropriate for a "couple" like pictures and he didn't go any further than that), but the pyramid head was a bit...much.  (and yes, i know it's pyramid head of all people.  but still. not very cool).  are there any precautions to accepting fans (or even photographers for that matter) taking pictures with you?

I'm bringing this thread back to life due to some complaints I received from our Chief Photographer.

BIG advice, when people are in the middle of a photoshoot, DO NOT be RUDE and INTERRUPT them by trying to take photos around or on top of the photographer. This can be extremely distracting.

ASK FIRST!!! Please do not try to 'ninja' a shot.

It is VERY impolite to do so without first asking as you are being disrespectful to BOTH the cosplayer AND photographer.

The photographer will let you know when and if you can take a shot during the photoshoot after asking.
Else, the cosplayer usually will be more than happy for you to take their picture after the shoot.

Quote from: The-O on May 25, 2009, 02:42:31 AM
I'm bringing this thread back to life due to some complaints I received from our Chief Photographer.

BIG advice, when people are in the middle of a photo shoot, DO NOT be RUDE and INTERRUPT them by trying to take photos around or on top of the photographer. This can be extremely distracting.

ASK FIRST!!! Please do not try to 'ninja' a shot.

It is VERY impolite to do so without first asking as you are being disrespectful to BOTH the cosplayer AND photographer.

The photographer will let you know when and if you can take a shot during the photo shoot after asking.
Else, the cosplayer usually will be more than happy for you to take their picture after the shoot.

This is a good point to add for photographers and cosplayers alike.

I will update the 2nd post later on and would like everyone to post info that is helpful to each other here. Right now I am extremely tired still so I will need a little time. Thank you to everyone else that has posted since I was last on. I had good feedback on some of the tips, tricks, and advise that was posted in here so I know that it is a good thread to have.

I also wanted to say that it was a pleasure to meet many of the photographers on here over the weekend. Some of you I have met before but many of you this was the first time. Rest up and process all those wonderful shots from the weekend. I'm sure the cospeeps are anxiously waiting to see what you took.

Love to all
BSaphire

With all this creepy or not talk I decided to only do private photoshoots this year. Unfortunately because of this I wasn't able to take picture of the cosplay that I really want to shoot :( Kind of regret not being able to help anyone in the "Did you take a picture of me" threads.

Instead I just introduced myself to a lot of the people that I have taken pictures of in the past. Chatted with a lot of the usual photographers that take pictures at cons, a lot of them being listed earlier in the thread.

The weekend still turned out great without doing any candid/hall/gathering/or masquerade photos with 8 photoshoots during the weekend.

oops double post  ???

Quote from: White Rose Assassin on May 14, 2009, 04:36:47 PM
I'd also advise cosplayers should they feel uncomfortable around a photographer, be sure to get their name / badge name / physical description of them. I know a few instances where a few acquaintances who have been in similar situations. It is just best to report them to a staff member like B Sapphire or the press department (if they have a visible press badge). Don't be afraid to speak up, because chances are, the creepy photographers are probably giving off the wrong vibe to other cosplayers. 

If you have people taking pictures and making you feel uncomfortable, flag down a rover in the area.  We should be easier to find, and with our radios and people running around, it's a lot easier for us to put out a heads-up and get staff on the lookout for suspicious people.

Quote from: trooper715 on May 26, 2009, 08:41:01 PM

Quote from: White Rose Assassin on May 14, 2009, 04:36:47 PM
I'd also advise cosplayers should they feel uncomfortable around a photographer, be sure to get their name / badge name / physical description of them. I know a few instances where a few acquaintances who have been in similar situations. It is just best to report them to a staff member like B Sapphire or the press department (if they have a visible press badge). Don't be afraid to speak up, because chances are, the creepy photographers are probably giving off the wrong vibe to other cosplayers. 

If you have people taking pictures and making you feel uncomfortable, flag down a rover in the area.  We should be easier to find, and with our radios and people running around, it's a lot easier for us to put out a heads-up and get staff on the lookout for suspicious people.

Another great idea would be to make friends with the Twilight Knights from the dojo... they'll walk around with you on their breaks and nothing intimidates creepy otaku more than that black beret ;P But the rovers were great! Whoever the bouncer was on Saturday at the 18+ club in the Hilton was awesome, and really helpful and protective of the girls in the dance.

Team Creepy Photographers Invade Fanime 2009

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Quote from: maulrat on May 27, 2009, 11:54:16 AM
Team Creepy Photographers Invade Fanime 2009

It would have been creepier if you all had pyramid heads on :P During the whole con I didn't spot Team Creepy.

Quote from: maulrat on May 27, 2009, 11:54:16 AM
Team Creepy Photographers Invade Fanime 2009

lol why are these all socal photog? XDDD

That's weird, I was running around with a different creepy photographer shirt and I had tons of people come up to me and ask to get their picture taken.

So weird... Nothing to worry about I guess?

Quote from: andyrak on May 27, 2009, 04:04:10 PM

Quote from: maulrat on May 27, 2009, 11:54:16 AM
Team Creepy Photographers Invade Fanime 2009

lol why are these all socal photog? XDDD

becuz socal is creeeeeeepy  :o :o :o

For next year, what should I do about people that say "can I get a photo of you" and -then- jump in the picture with you? (Keyword here being "of" and not "with.") It makes me feel uncomfortable to take pictures with random strangers (I understand if you are cosplaying from the same series and want to take pics with another character or if you know the person/know them somewhat (have been talking and joking with them, etc.), but totally random guys in normal clothes?), especially since I usually get the vibe of "I'm taking this photo of proof that I can get girls to talk to me" (no offense, anyone ;P). If I have already agreed to a pic and then they jump in with me, what should I do? (If they try to touch me/wrap an arm around me/etc., I'll just wiggle out and strike a pose and they get the message usually, but if they insisted, what should I do then?)

Just tell them you don't feel comfortable taking pictures with random strangers.

Being polite but direct works fine.

And remember, if they ever give you problems about that, just flag down a rover.  It's your own privacy, and you can decide whether you want someone standing close to you for a picture.

Quote from: trooper715 on May 28, 2009, 03:17:23 PM
Just tell them you don't feel comfortable taking pictures with random strangers.

Being polite but direct works fine.

And remember, if they ever give you problems about that, just flag down a rover.  It's your own privacy, and you can decide whether you want someone standing close to you for a picture.

Very true, especially the last part if they don't take the hint.  Folks like that make the rest of us look bad.  It's one thing to ask if you can have a picture with the cosplayer, but entirely another to force yourself into the picture without permission.

international creepy photographer from taiwan reporting in!

(also, first post in this forum booyah)

in related news...

I actually HAD real creepy photogs approach cosplayers while we were walking to our locations to shoot as some shoots ran behind schedule.

Some were persistent and annoying.

Quote from: quantbits on May 30, 2009, 12:44:58 AM
in related news...

I actually HAD real creepy photogs approach cosplayers while we were walking to our locations to shoot as some shoots ran behind schedule.

Some were persistent and annoying.

;(

I am not sure if this belongs here (sorry if it doesn't) but did anyone see this kinda old balding dude take a picture of them far away without asking?