The Paranormal Discussion Thread

[Jun-Watarase]

Out of most people I know, a lot of "paranormal" things tend to happen around me. But uh, my stance is that... ghosts, spirits, religion in general were created to explain things beyond human comprehension. I don't really believe in anything in particular, but I am a scardy-cat at times, as I have a very active and horrific imagination.

I mean, theories to explain things can be made, but there's no actual way for any of us to make an actual conclusion. In terms of things like spirits and the afterlife, life itself is an energy after all. Energy has to go somewhere, if it follows the universal physical law of conversation of energy. It most likely goes to one's body rotting into the earth and serving as energy to provide nutrients to plants as fertilizer, but uh... the rest could go elsewhere, I guess. But if anything, I have doubts that the energy released from one's body at death actually remains conscious.

Most encounters are often far-fetched; they're either hallucinations, coincidences, or a result of some sort of mental ailment. No matter the result, there's always a scientific explanation somehow-- just, it's more than likely that no one on Earth has the intellect to do so. :U

[L3sli3_Lov3s_Chu]

 :(

[Rei-Rei]

Trust me. He gets a lot worse than that. >.>;
I mean, sometimes when he walks in the door, he may resemble the devil.

Wait? Who resembles the devil?

Makou....
>.>;
<.<;
*hides*

[Jerry]

hey, wait a sec.

I have the number that begins with 666.

unless anyone else has that number for their phone.  :P

[Jun-Watarase]

hey, wait a sec.

I have the number that begins with 666.

unless anyone else has that number for their phone.  :P

Actually, it was discovered around 3 years ago that the Number of the Beast is originally 616.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44169

And in other related news.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7163767.stm

Guess there isn't a 666 area code in America.

[zoupzuop2]

Most encounters are often far-fetched; they're either hallucinations, coincidences, or a result of some sort of mental ailment. No matter the result, there's always a scientific explanation somehow-- just, it's more than likely that no one on Earth has the intellect to do so. :U

I dunno if I agree. How would we be aware that we can't know that, unless we've been MADE aware that we can't know that? If we were aware we can't know that, then SOMEONE or SOMETHING would have to be just that far above us to make that conjecture.

If you ask me, I think science only explains the physical facets of the world, which, for all we know, could be less than there really is to the Earth. Perhaps science (in most cases) is the HOW as the paranormal is the WHY? Much like the difference between a purpose and a reason, maybe the two are not contradictory; just explaining two different factors. I just don't think that the physical plane is the only plane in existance; saying so, at least for me, would be an assumption on which I have no proof.

While I'm all for learning about physics and chemistry (fascinating stuff, mostly physics, haha), I just don't think it can explain THE ENTIRE Universe; just the "Physical" properties.

I could interject my exact opinion/belief on ghosts and spirits and whatnot, but... that could spark something I quite frankly don't have the time or energy for.

[Steve.Young]

The space time continuum is something we have yet to understand. We can conceptualize this and try to paint everything into the various dimensions that we can understand, but there are only things that we are guessing at.

Theory of, theory of, theory of....notice that a lot of stuff you learn is still theories...not exactly concrete solid facts, because our understanding of things change on a consistent basis.

[Jun-Watarase]

Most encounters are often far-fetched; they're either hallucinations, coincidences, or a result of some sort of mental ailment. No matter the result, there's always a scientific explanation somehow-- just, it's more than likely that no one on Earth has the intellect to do so. :U

I dunno if I agree. How would we be aware that we can't know that, unless we've been MADE aware that we can't know that? If we were aware we can't know that, then SOMEONE or SOMETHING would have to be just that far above us to make that conjecture.

If you ask me, I think science only explains the physical facets of the world, which, for all we know, could be less than there really is to the Earth. Perhaps science (in most cases) is the HOW as the paranormal is the WHY? Much like the difference between a purpose and a reason, maybe the two are not contradictory; just explaining two different factors. I just don't think that the physical plane is the only plane in existance; saying so, at least for me, would be an assumption on which I have no proof.

While I'm all for learning about physics and chemistry (fascinating stuff, mostly physics, haha), I just don't think it can explain THE ENTIRE Universe; just the "Physical" properties.

I could interject my exact opinion/belief on ghosts and spirits and whatnot, but... that could spark something I quite frankly don't have the time or energy for.

But why is it that you have this fixed belief that science is limited to only physical things? Because physical things are the easiest to explain, because they're natural phenomenons. Anything that cannot be seen by the eye is considered an unnatural phenomenon, but it doesn't mean it cannot be determined scientifically. To say that is to knock off a HUUUUGE chunk of what science has already discovered to have an existance. How do you determine mental ailments? Back in the day, people considered it to be possession by The Devil.

What about wavelengths and frequencies? How were they supposedly discovered? Not all of them can be heard, mind you. Everything had to be determined somehow, and eventually put into a form where they can physically see them on a monitor. It's the same with ghosts and paranormal occurances-- all of which would theoretically be caused by energies. Life is an energy, so where does it go? It operates our brains, our conscience, and the rest of our guts-- it has to go somewhere. I mean, if you kill a mass group of people and they suddenly stop moving, where does their life energy go? You can think up of theories, but just because humans lack the comprehension to explain them, doesn't mean there isn't a scientific explanation.

In spiritual explanations, they claim that there are different planes as to where things belong and can be within, like a spiritual plane, the physical plane, and etc-- there are also other explanations mentioning planes whereas they're told apart by being on different frequencies. And explaining things like psychic abilities, people have explained the brain to theoretically emit waves on certain frequencies as well. I don't really look into these things, and nothing can be considered accurate at this point-- but no matter what type of phenomenon, it has a scientific reason as to why. There are so many variables in the universe, I suspect a good trillions of handfuls of them cause our environment to have paranormal crap.

Again, I believe paranormal occurances and religions (Though, I prefer not to get into a religious debate.) are created to explain things we don't understand and cannot explain. Only theories exist because we don't have the conditions to make up a solid conclusion as to why things happen. To treat theory as if it is fact, no matter how logical, is just the same as believing in religion. Religion is technically a theory in this sense. They're all created to fill in the void of cluelessness to explain things we aren't sure of.

But just because it goes beyond our ability to explain them, doesn't mean a scientific reason as to why doesn't exist. That's like saying, "Well, I've never seen a jellyfish before. They must not exist!"

[zoupzuop2]

Most encounters are often far-fetched; they're either hallucinations, coincidences, or a result of some sort of mental ailment. No matter the result, there's always a scientific explanation somehow-- just, it's more than likely that no one on Earth has the intellect to do so. :U

I dunno if I agree. How would we be aware that we can't know that, unless we've been MADE aware that we can't know that? If we were aware we can't know that, then SOMEONE or SOMETHING would have to be just that far above us to make that conjecture.

If you ask me, I think science only explains the physical facets of the world, which, for all we know, could be less than there really is to the Earth. Perhaps science (in most cases) is the HOW as the paranormal is the WHY? Much like the difference between a purpose and a reason, maybe the two are not contradictory; just explaining two different factors. I just don't think that the physical plane is the only plane in existance; saying so, at least for me, would be an assumption on which I have no proof.

While I'm all for learning about physics and chemistry (fascinating stuff, mostly physics, haha), I just don't think it can explain THE ENTIRE Universe; just the "Physical" properties.

I could interject my exact opinion/belief on ghosts and spirits and whatnot, but... that could spark something I quite frankly don't have the time or energy for.

But why is it that you have this fixed belief that science is limited to only physical things? Because physical things are the easiest to explain, because they're natural phenomenons. Anything that cannot be seen by the eye is considered an unnatural phenomenon, but it doesn't mean it cannot be determined scientifically. To say that is to knock off a HUUUUGE chunk of what science has already discovered to have an existance. How do you determine mental ailments? Back in the day, people considered it to be possession by The Devil.

What about wavelengths and frequencies? How were they supposedly discovered? Not all of them can be heard, mind you. Everything had to be determined somehow, and eventually put into a form where they can physically see them on a monitor. It's the same with ghosts and paranormal occurances-- all of which would theoretically be caused by energies. Life is an energy, so where does it go? It operates our brains, our conscience, and the rest of our guts-- it has to go somewhere. I mean, if you kill a mass group of people and they suddenly stop moving, where does their life energy go? You can think up of theories, but just because humans lack the comprehension to explain them, doesn't mean there isn't a scientific explanation.

In spiritual explanations, they claim that there are different planes as to where things belong and can be within, like a spiritual plane, the physical plane, and etc-- there are also other explanations mentioning planes whereas they're told apart by being on different frequencies. And explaining things like psychic abilities, people have explained the brain to theoretically emit waves on certain frequencies as well. I don't really look into these things, and nothing can be considered accurate at this point-- but no matter what type of phenomenon, it has a scientific reason as to why. There are so many variables in the universe, I suspect a good trillions of handfuls of them cause our environment to have paranormal crap.

Again, I believe paranormal occurances and religions (Though, I prefer not to get into a religious debate.) are created to explain things we don't understand and cannot explain. Only theories exist because we don't have the conditions to make up a solid conclusion as to why things happen. To treat theory as if it is fact, no matter how logical, is just the same as believing in religion. Religion is technically a theory in this sense. They're all created to fill in the void of cluelessness to explain things we aren't sure of.

But just because it goes beyond our ability to explain them, doesn't mean a scientific reason as to why doesn't exist. That's like saying, "Well, I've never seen a jellyfish before. They must not exist!"

Mm. I clearly misworded what I meant to say. I didn't mean to imply "physical" as in tangible or visible alone. Certainly things unseen by the eye would apply to science. And, believe me when I say that I agree that too much, in the past, has been accredited to "spiritual" answers-- mental illnesses to "possession", gravity to spirits, ad nauseum.
I'm just opining that maybe the universe is... at the risk of miswording myself further, MORE than science alone can explain. It may not be "spirits" or "souls" or whatever that composes what we may not be aware of, but maybe there's more than what current-- or even future-- science(s) can uncover.

I originally had more to my post that either explained my reasoning or dug me further into a ditch, but I fear that continuing, on my part, would plunge this thread further into a debate that Jun and I agree we don't want to enter into. So for now, I'll just copypasta my former post into notepad, say

LIEK ZOMG GOSTZ!!!

and continue on.