Nice Guy or Great Guy?

[Yuu]

Me too. On both accounts.
He's a total creep/thief/pervert and has been stalking me every since I rejected him.
He's created several yahoo accounts posing as girls to talk me. He thinks he's SOO damned crafty but the truth is I just haven't said anything because it isn't worth my time.

Oh wow.  Yeah, the ones who don't know how to let go and move on are the fun ones.

It sounds like he's stuck in the "OMG you're so awesome there's no one else like you in the world I MUST HAVE YOU" mindset.  It is true that there isn't going to be anyone else like you, but unfortunately, it sounds like he effed up any chance that he got with you and needs to get that into his head.

Bluntly speaking, you're just one person out of how many left in this world.  Two to one, he can probably find someone else who'll like him for him if he tried hard enough, but he can't see that just yet.  Apparently, that's a difficult concept to understand for most guys.

He has a GF who likes for whom she thinks she THINKS he is ( the few people who do know the real him want NOTHING to do with him.)

It's sad. His GF and I were best friends for over ten years.
She always looked to me for advice ( she is quite naive and I ..am not) but of coarse when I tried to warn her about him, she wouldn't hear it.
He treats her like dirt. He cheats on her and from what I've heard, ( from his own brother) fixes his 'bad days' by making her cry and laughing about it.

The irony here is that everyone is certain he's only dating her as another GENIUS scheme to ensure that he would still get to see me. Too bad, I haven't talked to either of them in three years and he's stuck.

Unfortunately, this does mean that no, he will never 'move on'. I really wish he would.

the thing is people have a tendancy to build up a fantasy about a person. That fantasy isn't the real person but often times that's what hooks gullible men and women into relationships where they're going to be hurt.  That's how come it's so hard to break the line... the person doesn't want to lose their fantasy.  it's very hard to be that friend but when you respect their desire to be happy and you want them to not suffer that's the kind of attitude to approach them with when trying to help. if it was my friend i would ask questions of "how does that make you feel?" and "what kinds of things does he do for you?" those kinds of questions make a person really think it's worked on me and for my other friends too so if the opportunity arises try it out.

No, there are no more opportunities. Like I said I stopped talking to BOTH of them.

Actually, she was the biggest reason. She started treating me like shit.  He'd play his little games like wait until one of the very rare occasions I got to hang out with her, just her, and call her all 'upset' saying "Yuu was so mean mean to me!" and she'd fall for it every time. 
He would drag her a long with him three days out of the week to visit me dialysis. I did not even want them there and she would bitch at me saying " Why do YOU make me come visit you?!"
Basically, he would do things to piss her off knowing that she would somehow fault me for it.

When I was still talking to them, it didn't matter HOW I approached her. I could have said " I don't really like the color of his car"' and she would flip out.

Really, all of this is in the past and I've washed my hands of it. It's just a problem that he is still stalking me.

[Steve.Young]

Holy crap thats fucked up. Just saying.

I'm pretty blunt sometimes in relationships, but sometimes I try to sugar-coat shit. Cause some people in this world will have a nervous breakdown one day and flip out, go psychotic, and blow everyones brains out.

[PyronIkari]

... Isn't this just the same crap I've been saying for years now... a lot of which was on this forum, in which I was told I was wrong by... *gasp* many of the people on here?

The confusion is simply in the wording. Guys take the words of "don't be a nice guy" literally, when it's not meant to. I use quotes when I say it for a reason. "Don't be a 'nice guy'". It's an archtype basically. Guys that give and do everything they can for a girl, because that's how they THINK they are supposed to act (our counter-act to go against the 'bad-boy' type). Then when they don't get the girl/the response they want, they get angry/sad/depressed about it. Afterwards they blame other people for their downfall. "I'm such a nice guy, how come girls don't like me". BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY FAKE... AND GIRLS KNOW IT. They know you're "ACTING" nice becausae you think by doing so girls will respond a certain way, and you will reach good ending!

Which then leads to me saying... this is why most anime fans are socially inept and the majority of males that watch anime fit into this archtype. Anime promotes the idea that if you are super nice, eventually you will be rewarded for it. The most unlogical, most unsocial, most socially inept people all end up happy and rewarded in anime. It's the entire basis of 99% of harem anime. Loser shit that "has a good heart" gets trashed the entire series, then gets the perfect girl in the end.

So what's new about this? Fake guys don't get girls. People that are honest, and actually have a will of their own, and have the confidence to support themselves usually do. I'm not seeing anything new here. It's been like this forever.

[JohnnyAR]

nvm don't mind me

[XpHoBiaX]

People that are honest, and actually have a will of their own, and have the confidence to support themselves usually do.

I agree. Myself, I will literally run over a 'nice guy' (in Pyron's description of what a nice guy is) not becuase I am a bitch. (Although, some people see me as such XD)

But becuase to me I see that as either being sneaky to get something, or bribery. Honestly, I have been hurt from people who where 'nice'. Unfortunately that leaves me a very defensive, skeptical and suspicious person. (and paranoid lol)

So naturaly, the 'nice guy' would literally feel uncomfortable around me, becuase I will purposely pick and examine and whatever else I feel I need to do to assure myself that this particular person really is a nice guy.

And no, I do not go after bad guys. (look at the qoute lol)