lazer tag

Hero Ninja · May 04, 2009, 12:57:01 AM

there isnt anything wrong with lazer tag at fanime is there? only reason im asking is because supposedly con ops goes crazy with projectile based toys.

LordKefka · May 04, 2009, 01:01:17 AM

I'm sure people won't get carried away, run and hurt themselves/other people in the process

ewu · May 04, 2009, 02:36:51 AM

Kefka....ur sarcasm is lost on many:P

If you play you are VERY likely to incur the wrath of rovers:
1) running people = angry rovers
2) things that look like guns = angry rovers
3) lasertag in crouded areas = furious rovers

overall....unhappy rovers

I recommend that you do not play that @ fanime....

LordKefka · May 04, 2009, 02:48:55 PM

My sarcasm is always lost...T_T

Jidai Geki · May 04, 2009, 09:11:37 PM

If there were a coordinated venue for Lazer Tag in a controlled environment, I think there would be less of a safety issue, but it's still up to Con Ops. Not recommended for play in general Con population...

Mistaking a current Light tag game system for a real firearm??? Have any of you been to Toy R Us lately?

I'll admit I still have my original Lazer Tag pistol, rifle and sensor... With original packaging. Their production stamp indicates: Made in San Jose, CA... Makes it a collector's item in my book since World of Wonder's local manufacturing site closed in 1988. How many toys can you find out there that were made locally and sold around the world?

ewu · May 04, 2009, 09:36:13 PM

Me mistake a tagger for a gun, not really...if i get shot i get shot....but then we have police officers with real guns. They will not stop to think what it looks like.....you have something pointed at them, it has a trigger and you are aiming.....Someone getting shot @ con = bad publicity.

within 10 ft it may look very diff but at 40 or 50 ft combined with your stance and apparent mental state, one of our officers may draw his gun on you.

Its just generally a bad idea.

Jidai Geki · May 04, 2009, 10:22:07 PM

Quote from: ewu on May 04, 2009, 09:36:13 PM
Me mistake a tagger for a gun, not really...if i get shot i get shot....but then we have police officers with real guns. They will not stop to think what it looks like.....you have something pointed at them, it has a trigger and you are aiming.....Someone getting shot @ con = bad publicity.

within 10 ft it may look very diff but at 40 or 50 ft combined with your stance and apparent mental state, one of our officers may draw his gun on you.

Its just generally a bad idea.

Believe me when I say that the toy company that's making the current version have gone to great extent to make sure the lazer tag gun cannot be mistaken as a real weapon by law enforcement... Bright neon yellow or Orange paint, Flashing LED lights, Odd-ball Sci-Fi sound effects... Even Toy manufacturers don't want to get sued for wrongful death. Airsoft is another thing... I personally know 3 people in law enforcement, a cousin in US Customs and 2 HS friends in local jurisdictions... They are not trained to shoot first and ask questions later... They get a lot of training/testing in threat assessment... Of which many of us would fail. You get one chance after an officer says, "Drop the weapon!" Refuse, then it's officer's discretion... Be it a gun, knife, toy or vegetable peeler. Shoot first, and you end up like Mr. Johannes Mehserle.

Note to readers: Cal. Penal Code section 417 Defines the state law, which SJPD enforces.

ewu · May 04, 2009, 10:47:06 PM

Its not a matter of law or officer conduct. Fanime as a group inviting the officers to help us ensure the safety of the con choose to not even have the officers or Fanime staff put in any such situation. For this reason, we establish our weapons policy that all members are required to follow as a condition of your membership and the ability to freely enjoy our programming.

Jidai Geki · May 04, 2009, 11:15:12 PM

Quote from: Jidai Geki on May 04, 2009, 09:11:37 PM
If there were a coordinated venue for Lazer Tag in a controlled environment (A room away from general population, if I weren't clear enough), I think there would be less of a safety issue, but it's still up to Con Ops. Not recommended for play in general Con population...

You forgot this from my past posting... Nuff Said.

**Something they might be able to plan for FanimeCon 2010

XpHoBiaX · May 05, 2009, 02:34:34 AM

Lazer tag should be played in a lazer tag facility, not at a convention. (regardless if it was a seperate section)The facility would be able to take care of accidents better. Lazer tag businesses purchase insurances for that sort of thing. They are better suited for high contact activities, and better trained.

If Fanime did something at a laser tag facility, that would be neat. But not on con grounds itself. Aside from health and safety, there wouldn't be room.

Jidai Geki · May 05, 2009, 09:44:09 PM

Quote from: XpHoBiaX on May 05, 2009, 02:34:34 AM
Lazer tag should be played in a lazer tag facility, not at a convention. (regardless if it was a seperate section)The facility would be able to take care of accidents better. Lazer tag businesses purchase insurances for that sort of thing. They are better suited for high contact activities, and better trained.

If Fanime did something at a laser tag facility, that would be neat. But not on con grounds itself. Aside from health and safety, there wouldn't be room.

Okay... Then swords must remain in Iaito dojos and Airsoft replicas must be returned to Japan... so on and so on...

I can tell you guys are young because you can't distinguish between Lazer Tag from Photon. Lazer Tag had a set way to play on a field that was 40 x 80 feet. There was no running around, most movement was limited to shifting you body so the sensor was out of I.R. range. Each player played in a grid position that was 4 x 4 feet. This could easily be played in one of the cons smaller venues.

What all of you are thinking about was Photon, which had computer monitored scoring/playing field, more powerful I.R. guns, a vest with 270 degree detection field and a helmet that gave players audible feedback. The last Photon/Q-zar game field in San Jose was located across VMC on Bascom Ave... It closed back in 1996 due to waning business.

World of Wonder designed Lazer Tag(tm) equipment back in 1986 to be used practically anywhere, while Photon was limited to it's unique game field... Neither game was considered a contact sport.

Not recommended for play in general Con population...

Dagger-6 · May 05, 2009, 10:17:27 PM

Q-Zar was awesome. I remember that. Fun, fun times.

My friend got banned for turning it into a contact sport once. Apparently shoving someones gun away and shooting them at point blank was a bad idea.

XpHoBiaX · May 05, 2009, 10:45:16 PM

QuoteOkay... Then swords must remain in Iaito dojos and Airsoft replicas must be returned to Japan... so on and so on...

I see what you did there.

QuoteI can tell you guys are young because you can't distinguish between Lazer Tag from Photon.

I wasn't aware of the technical differences, and that has nothing to do with age. I never played either game while growing up. It was slingshots in the ghetto.lol Some people aren't that privaledged. lol

codex biblio · May 05, 2009, 11:15:04 PM

Quote from: trooper715 on May 05, 2009, 10:17:27 PM
My friend got banned for turning it into a contact sport once. Apparently shoving someones gun away and shooting them at point blank was a bad idea.

Sounds like some of the people I played against in SoCal. It's been a while since I played this, but someone always seemed to break the rules and make it a contact sport. After the millionth time of getting an elbow in the chin, I gave up. But this was a long time ago.

I'm not on staff, but it still seems like a game with a lot of liability issues unless it's REALLY controlled. But that can just be the sore chin talking. :P

Dagger-6 · May 05, 2009, 11:50:28 PM

Foam, and lots of it! That's the solution!

Ahh...cheating in laser tag/photon reminds me of the stories I hear about the MILES training system the army uses, which is basically really fancy laser tag. Supposed to provide nice realistic training in theory, but in the end everyone turns their cheats by turning their sensors inside out or covering them up.

And that's why now we use sim rounds. You get hit with a ridiculously high-powered paintball and not only do you know for sure that guy got hit but it provides the very real incentive to not get shot at. Something I never could get out of airsoft's little bbs. (that and it's just sad watching them plop to the ground after less than 200 feet.

I'm sure if someone was dedicated enough to figuring out the logistics of it, a lazer tag event could be organized. Won't be me though. I'm too lazy.

Jidai Geki · May 06, 2009, 07:01:15 AM

Quote from: XpHoBiaX on May 05, 2009, 10:45:16 PM
QuoteOkay... Then swords must remain in Iaito dojos and Airsoft replicas must be returned to Japan... so on and so on...
I see what you did there.

QuoteI can tell you guys are young because you can't distinguish between Lazer Tag from Photon.
I wasn't aware of the technical differences, and that has nothing to do with age. I never played either game while growing up. It was slingshots in the ghetto.lol Some people aren't that privaledged. lol

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Steve.Young · May 06, 2009, 01:28:18 PM

Where we would put this, no one would know...

We're running limited on convention space =P...it'd have to be...somewhere else =P

Jidai Geki · May 06, 2009, 04:31:12 PM

Quote from: Steve.Young on May 06, 2009, 01:28:18 PM
Where we would put this, no one would know...

We're running limited on convention space =P...it'd have to be...somewhere else =P

Don't worry about this for Fanime 2009, Steve... In a previous post, I indicated that it could be an event planned for FanimeCon 2010. If everyone is playing by 1988 rules... The game field is 40'x80'... It could be made smaller by reducing the amout of players per each round...

Still to consider... Location, amount of players, equipment...etc. Again, better suited for a future Con.

otakuapprentice · May 06, 2009, 06:37:17 PM

Someone has proposed something similar to this before, but I'm not going to bother looking for the corresponding thread.

Long story short: It is a good idea, but it would depend on the decision of Staff to give this a greenlight, but I don't see this happening.

Jidai Geki · May 06, 2009, 08:45:28 PM

Quote from: otakuapprentice on May 06, 2009, 06:37:17 PM
Someone has proposed something similar to this before, but I'm not going to bother looking for the corresponding thread.

Long story short: It is a good idea, but it would depend on the decision of Staff to give this a greenlight, but I don't see this happening.

Tisk, tisk... such a negative view from a Whovian... The Doctor would be disappointed... I'll try, I'll propose... But it's better than laying down to die... Even if I get 12 regenerations. If someone really wants this to happen, then they have to try... Don't just say, "That's it."... If not, then the "By Fans, For Fans." Mission statement should be removed for being a deceptive statement.

Has anyone offered to demonstrate how the gameplay will be conducted to the Fanime Resource Group? I have the feeling the answer is, "No." Sometimes to sell an idea, showing it off makes a big difference... I 'm an Eng. Tech for a major contract manufacturer here in the valley... proving that ideas can work or be built is what I do for a living.

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