Lucky☆Star: English cast for dub, confirmed.

[LordKefka]

I don't have a point? Really? It isn't a point to encourage VAs who AREN'T fully exposed to Japanese culture to become more accustomed to  what they are inexperienced with? So you think in order to be a VA, the person needs to have been in a Japanese state of mind? Do you even know what you're saying? Anyone who says that VAs who are incompetent to perform because they have insufficient knowledge of Japanese culture are stupid for not understand the industry.

If a VA doesn't understand the character, the background of the character, the culture behind the character, and what not... yes... it's hard for the VA to perform the part. They can play other parts fine, there's no problem with that.

And, no, you don't have a point. Encourage VA's to learn about roles and the basis behind them is a good thing. You're basically stating "VA's don't need to learn about the characters they do, the culture behind them, or anything at all. VAs can do any role they choose and it will be quality!"

You being a writer doesn't mean anything to be honest. It means that you write opinions, it doesn't mean you've experienced them. I know what it's like to be a VA as I did a small role. I know what it's like to be a director for a VA, as I did it. I could be bragging about other stuff that don't apply... but they don't apply. I'm only bringing these things up because they apply to this conversation.

If it wasn't 3am, I'd call Ebner right now.

Which is why... we have so many bad dubs

Please, go ahead and call him and tell me what you have done in VA.

I never said it doesn't matter if they know Japanese culture. I said just because they don't meet up to your level of expectation they can't do a good job in it.

[Jun-Watarase]

If not random insults, they're just statements on how you're supposedly experienced and knowledgeable of the industry. That was proven wrong when you challenged the fact that VAs have the responsibility of portraying their characters, which... was sort of common sense. I don't see what was said that could possibly be incorrect...? They were pretty obvious statements. As for anything else said, there's no reason for any of us to lie about them.

What is left to prove wrong from your posts...? I reviewed them, and it's pretty much you randomly insulting people and telling us to shut the hell up. o_o; Occasionally, your testosterone levels hit the roof and you start challenging things, and the only thing on your mind is to try and prove others wrong... for absolutely no reason. You don't even have a point, anymore.

I don't have a point? Really? It isn't a point to encourage VAs who AREN'T fully exposed to Japanese culture to become more accustomed to  what they are inexperienced with? So you think in order to be a VA, the person needs to have been in a Japanese state of mind? Do you even know what you're saying? Anyone who says that VAs who are incompetent to perform because they have insufficient knowledge of Japanese culture are stupid for not understand the industry.

Wha? Put down the steroids and use your brain to recall that I posted this a few hours ago...

I'm just trying to say that VAs don't need to know the FULL extent, and notice I said, FULL extent, of Japanese Culture to perform the way they do. There is a difference in the US and Japanese market when it comes to Anime let alone VAs. If you know well enough, go watch CB and WR or WhR. Until then, don't talk. Well, I guess minus the exception of DN which has immature VAs.

Yes, in some cases, it's okay to dub an anime without a full understanding of Japanese culture... but you seem to be missing the point here. That's why we said earlier that the Haruhi dub wasn't terrible-- it had Japanese refs, but the plot wasn't completely built around them. This is Lucky☆Star, a series ENTIRELLY BUILT-UP of cultural references, otaku inside-jokes, and language puns, COMPLETELY.

As for the industry, that's a totally different discussion that you somehow found relevant because the topic mentioned VAs...

There's a good amount of anime that don't require knowledge of Japanese culture to be able to portray their characters. In some cases, they have to portray characters of different nationalities, like German, or French, without needing to know anything about Japan. It's all about properly portraying their characters. I said this earlier, but you challenged it in disagreement...? Lucky☆Star, specifically, though... AGAIN, is built-up completely of cultural references, otaku-oriented inside-jokes, and language puns. That is what makes it difficult, and unfathomable for it to be of quality.

Seemingly, no matter what I say, whether I agree with you or not, you don't seem to care about anything but proving us wrong. I don't mind agreeing with you when something you say is true, but please don't mind me disagreeing with you when you say something untrue. I'm not trying to tell you, "Oh! Your opinions are incorrect!" rather, you're either making false statements or challenging statements that were obviously factual.

I... still don't understand how you can say that the VA's job ISN'T to properly portray their character.

[LordKefka]

If not random insults, they're just statements on how you're supposedly experienced and knowledgeable of the industry. That was proven wrong when you challenged the fact that VAs have the responsibility of portraying their characters, which... was sort of common sense. I don't see what was said that could possibly be incorrect...? They were pretty obvious statements. As for anything else said, there's no reason for any of us to lie about them.

What is left to prove wrong from your posts...? I reviewed them, and it's pretty much you randomly insulting people and telling us to shut the hell up. o_o; Occasionally, your testosterone levels hit the roof and you start challenging things, and the only thing on your mind is to try and prove others wrong... for absolutely no reason. You don't even have a point, anymore.

I don't have a point? Really? It isn't a point to encourage VAs who AREN'T fully exposed to Japanese culture to become more accustomed to  what they are inexperienced with? So you think in order to be a VA, the person needs to have been in a Japanese state of mind? Do you even know what you're saying? Anyone who says that VAs who are incompetent to perform because they have insufficient knowledge of Japanese culture are stupid for not understand the industry.

Wha? Put down the steroids and use your brain to recall that I posted this a few hours ago...

I'm just trying to say that VAs don't need to know the FULL extent, and notice I said, FULL extent, of Japanese Culture to perform the way they do. There is a difference in the US and Japanese market when it comes to Anime let alone VAs. If you know well enough, go watch CB and WR or WhR. Until then, don't talk. Well, I guess minus the exception of DN which has immature VAs.

Yes, in some cases, it's okay to dub an anime without a full understanding of Japanese culture... but you seem to be missing the point here. That's why we said earlier that the Haruhi dub wasn't terrible-- it had Japanese refs, but the plot wasn't completely built around them. This is Lucky☆Star, a series ENTIRELLY BUILT-UP of cultural references, otaku inside-jokes, and language puns, COMPLETELY.

As for the industry, that's a totally different discussion that you somehow found relevant because the topic mentioned VAs...

There's a good amount of anime that don't require knowledge of Japanese culture to be able to portray their characters. In some cases, they have to portray characters of different nationalities, like German, or French, without needing to know anything about Japan. It's all about properly portraying their characters. I said this earlier, but you challenged it in disagreement...? Lucky☆Star, specifically, though... AGAIN, is built-up completely of cultural references, otaku-oriented inside-jokes, and language puns. That is what makes it difficult, and unfathomable for it to be of quality.

Seemingly, no matter what I say, whether I agree with you or not, you don't seem to care about anything but proving us wrong. I don't mind agreeing with you when something you say is true, but please don't mind me disagreeing with you when you say something untrue. I'm not trying to tell you, "Oh! Your opinions are incorrect!" rather, you're either making false statements or challenging statements that were obviously factual.

I... still don't understand how you can say that the VA's job ISN'T to properly portray their character.

Learn to read my previous comment.

"I never said it doesn't matter if they know Japanese culture. I said just because they don't meet up to your level of expectation they can't do a good job in it."

[Jun-Watarase]

If not random insults, they're just statements on how you're supposedly experienced and knowledgeable of the industry. That was proven wrong when you challenged the fact that VAs have the responsibility of portraying their characters, which... was sort of common sense. I don't see what was said that could possibly be incorrect...? They were pretty obvious statements. As for anything else said, there's no reason for any of us to lie about them.

What is left to prove wrong from your posts...? I reviewed them, and it's pretty much you randomly insulting people and telling us to shut the hell up. o_o; Occasionally, your testosterone levels hit the roof and you start challenging things, and the only thing on your mind is to try and prove others wrong... for absolutely no reason. You don't even have a point, anymore.

I don't have a point? Really? It isn't a point to encourage VAs who AREN'T fully exposed to Japanese culture to become more accustomed to  what they are inexperienced with? So you think in order to be a VA, the person needs to have been in a Japanese state of mind? Do you even know what you're saying? Anyone who says that VAs who are incompetent to perform because they have insufficient knowledge of Japanese culture are stupid for not understand the industry.

Wha? Put down the steroids and use your brain to recall that I posted this a few hours ago...

I'm just trying to say that VAs don't need to know the FULL extent, and notice I said, FULL extent, of Japanese Culture to perform the way they do. There is a difference in the US and Japanese market when it comes to Anime let alone VAs. If you know well enough, go watch CB and WR or WhR. Until then, don't talk. Well, I guess minus the exception of DN which has immature VAs.

Yes, in some cases, it's okay to dub an anime without a full understanding of Japanese culture... but you seem to be missing the point here. That's why we said earlier that the Haruhi dub wasn't terrible-- it had Japanese refs, but the plot wasn't completely built around them. This is Lucky☆Star, a series ENTIRELLY BUILT-UP of cultural references, otaku inside-jokes, and language puns, COMPLETELY.

As for the industry, that's a totally different discussion that you somehow found relevant because the topic mentioned VAs...

There's a good amount of anime that don't require knowledge of Japanese culture to be able to portray their characters. In some cases, they have to portray characters of different nationalities, like German, or French, without needing to know anything about Japan. It's all about properly portraying their characters. I said this earlier, but you challenged it in disagreement...? Lucky☆Star, specifically, though... AGAIN, is built-up completely of cultural references, otaku-oriented inside-jokes, and language puns. That is what makes it difficult, and unfathomable for it to be of quality.

Seemingly, no matter what I say, whether I agree with you or not, you don't seem to care about anything but proving us wrong. I don't mind agreeing with you when something you say is true, but please don't mind me disagreeing with you when you say something untrue. I'm not trying to tell you, "Oh! Your opinions are incorrect!" rather, you're either making false statements or challenging statements that were obviously factual.

I... still don't understand how you can say that the VA's job ISN'T to properly portray their character.

Learn to read my previous comment.

"I never said it doesn't matter if they know Japanese culture. I said just because they don't meet up to your level of expectation they can't do a good job in it."

Wha? I never suggested that you thought it didn't matter. You only said that it wasn't necessary to have a full-understanding, which in a good amount of cases, is true. But, keeping in mind that Lucky☆Star, again, is... made up of what it is, it almost assures poor quality in domestication. Lucky☆Star is a series that a decent understanding of Japanese culture is essential in order to guarantee quality. It's not -just- high standards, rather, it's an expectation that is made because OTHERWISE, the series wouldn't be the same series. It's hard to work around it, and that's pretty much how it is.

By quality, I mean the dub as a whole, though... just to clear things up. I won't go ahead of myself and say that the VAs will do a bad job at least making it sound okay.

But anyway, when I had mentioned the VA's job being "properly portraying their role/character", you called me a noob... for no reason. Then, you continue to call me ignorant, idiotic, and that I should shut the hell up. Not only that, reading back on your posts... you even put words in my mouth. The random-ness of it all is sort of... strange.

[LordKefka]

If not random insults, they're just statements on how you're supposedly experienced and knowledgeable of the industry. That was proven wrong when you challenged the fact that VAs have the responsibility of portraying their characters, which... was sort of common sense. I don't see what was said that could possibly be incorrect...? They were pretty obvious statements. As for anything else said, there's no reason for any of us to lie about them.

What is left to prove wrong from your posts...? I reviewed them, and it's pretty much you randomly insulting people and telling us to shut the hell up. o_o; Occasionally, your testosterone levels hit the roof and you start challenging things, and the only thing on your mind is to try and prove others wrong... for absolutely no reason. You don't even have a point, anymore.

I don't have a point? Really? It isn't a point to encourage VAs who AREN'T fully exposed to Japanese culture to become more accustomed to  what they are inexperienced with? So you think in order to be a VA, the person needs to have been in a Japanese state of mind? Do you even know what you're saying? Anyone who says that VAs who are incompetent to perform because they have insufficient knowledge of Japanese culture are stupid for not understand the industry.

Wha? Put down the steroids and use your brain to recall that I posted this a few hours ago...

I'm just trying to say that VAs don't need to know the FULL extent, and notice I said, FULL extent, of Japanese Culture to perform the way they do. There is a difference in the US and Japanese market when it comes to Anime let alone VAs. If you know well enough, go watch CB and WR or WhR. Until then, don't talk. Well, I guess minus the exception of DN which has immature VAs.

Yes, in some cases, it's okay to dub an anime without a full understanding of Japanese culture... but you seem to be missing the point here. That's why we said earlier that the Haruhi dub wasn't terrible-- it had Japanese refs, but the plot wasn't completely built around them. This is Lucky☆Star, a series ENTIRELLY BUILT-UP of cultural references, otaku inside-jokes, and language puns, COMPLETELY.

As for the industry, that's a totally different discussion that you somehow found relevant because the topic mentioned VAs...

There's a good amount of anime that don't require knowledge of Japanese culture to be able to portray their characters. In some cases, they have to portray characters of different nationalities, like German, or French, without needing to know anything about Japan. It's all about properly portraying their characters. I said this earlier, but you challenged it in disagreement...? Lucky☆Star, specifically, though... AGAIN, is built-up completely of cultural references, otaku-oriented inside-jokes, and language puns. That is what makes it difficult, and unfathomable for it to be of quality.

Seemingly, no matter what I say, whether I agree with you or not, you don't seem to care about anything but proving us wrong. I don't mind agreeing with you when something you say is true, but please don't mind me disagreeing with you when you say something untrue. I'm not trying to tell you, "Oh! Your opinions are incorrect!" rather, you're either making false statements or challenging statements that were obviously factual.

I... still don't understand how you can say that the VA's job ISN'T to properly portray their character.

Learn to read my previous comment.

"I never said it doesn't matter if they know Japanese culture. I said just because they don't meet up to your level of expectation they can't do a good job in it."

Wha? I never suggested that you thought it didn't matter. You only said that it wasn't necessary to have a full-understanding, which in a good amount of cases, is true. But, keeping in mind that Lucky☆Star, again, is... made up of what it is, it almost assures poor quality in domestication. Lucky☆Star is a series that a decent understanding of Japanese culture is essential in order to guarantee quality. It's not -just- high standards, rather, it's an expectation that is made because OTHERWISE, the series wouldn't be the same series. It's hard to work around it, and that's pretty much how it is.

By quality, I mean the dub as a whole, though... just to clear things up. I won't go ahead of myself and say that the VAs will do a bad job at least making it sound okay.

But anyway, when I had mentioned the VA's job being "properly portraying their role/character", you called me a noob... for no reason. Then, you continue to call me ignorant, idiotic, and that I should shut the hell up. The random-ness of it all is sort of... strange.

Whenever you get something like PPD, Haruhi, LS, School Rumble, whatever and try to incorporate it into the American Anime fans, it'll be a rough start as it is an intergration of a whole NEW sub-culture. However, just because you don't accept how it is carried out with the dubs, doesn't mean it shouldn't be given a chance for the people who are ALREADY the fans of these Anime to introduce it to the new Anime fans who DO base their Anime life-style from AS exposure. Whether the dubs actually fit with the authentic Japanese performance if up to grabs, but the importance is the incorporation of these new Anime fans who will tolerate the dubs outside of your personal elitist attitude of what dubs should be like.

[Jun-Watarase]

Elitist... attitude? Are you sure you're talking to me? o_0; The closest to "elitist attitude" that I see is your steroid-enhanced macho challenges with insults and pestering... "C'MON BOY! TRY ME! You think you're tough shit? I went through classes and talked to VAs!"

Anyways... Here is another post I made, earlier.

Er, it wasn't suggested that Bandai doesn't have the right to make the English DVD releases... It'd just be extremely difficult, most (if not all) jokes and puns are exclusive to Japanese culture. It being translated into English, successfully, would be quite a feat (meaning, impossible). But if you take a look at this, it isn't a discussion whether or not Bandai should do this... They're making a profit and releasing it to the masses that cannot obtain anime outside of purchasing DVDs. Rather, it's a discussion on why the translation and VAing process is going to fail.

I'm not trying to say that it shouldn't be dubbed. I'm DEFINITELY not supporting the dub because of my supposed elitist attitude and selfishness to feel that the fandom should be kept from American fans, like the way you're saying I am. I'm saying, quality is insured to be  pretty iffy because most of the cultural/language-oriented puns would be near impossible to properly translate, while still having the same effect. It just doesn't work-- and I'm not suggesting this because I feel like being a jerk and keeping Lucky☆Star all to myself to feel superior. O_o

I'm... not exactly sure where all these statements you make about me, what I say, and how I behave is coming from. You say something controversial (which normally ends in an insult of SOME sort), and I reply. You continue to challenge it, even though... there isn't really any reason to.

But yeah, anything said to back up the point pretty much as already been said. It isn't a matter of opinion, rather, an explanation of how things are.

Difficult.

[LordKefka]

Elitist... attitude? Are you sure you're talking to me? o_0; The closest to "elitist attitude" that I see is your steroid-enhanced macho challenges with insults and pestering... "C'MON BOY! TRY ME! You think you're tough shit? I went through classes and talked to VAs!"

Anyways... Here is another post I made, earlier.

Er, it wasn't suggested that Bandai doesn't have the right to make the English DVD releases... It'd just be extremely difficult, most (if not all) jokes and puns are exclusive to Japanese culture. It being translated into English, successfully, would be quite a feat (meaning, impossible). But if you take a look at this, it isn't a discussion whether or not Bandai should do this... They're making a profit and releasing it to the masses that cannot obtain anime outside of purchasing DVDs. Rather, it's a discussion on why the translation and VAing process is going to fail.

I'm not trying to say that it shouldn't be dubbed. I'm DEFINITELY not supporting the dub because of my supposed elitist attitude and selfishness to feel that the fandom should be kept from American fans, like the way you're saying I am. I'm saying, quality is insured to be  pretty iffy because most of the cultural/language-oriented puns would be near impossible to properly translate, while still having the same effect. It just doesn't work-- and I'm not suggesting this because I feel like being a jerk and keeping Lucky☆Star all to myself to feel superior. O_o

I'm... not exactly sure where all these statements you make about me, what I say, and how I behave is coming from. You say something controversial (which normally ends in an insult of SOME sort), and I reply. You continue to challenge it, even though... there isn't really any reason to.

But yeah, anything said to back up the point pretty much as already been said. It isn't a matter of opinion, rather, an explanation of how things are.

Difficult.

What I am saying is more in general unless you feel like you are a part of what I bring up. And I'm not saying that quality should be sacrificed. However, there is no sacrifice when you involve dubbing something (and here I am being very general again). It does not affect the integrity of the Anime itself but more of the adaptation of the VAs from the Japanese culture and into the Americans who receive it, which does not revolve around whether they know Japanese culture or not ( unless they are personally doing a physical performance). Again, I'm going back to the issue of you pointing out authenticity for your own personal experience vs. the adaptation for the American fans who primarily obtain Anime from AS and Encore Sci-fi and etc.

[LastElixir]

lol

[JorgeRPG077]

lol

LOL is right.

what a magnificent train wreck this is...

[Nanashi]

Voice Acting: Serious Business.

Also, ITT Internet Badasses

[Moogleborg]

lol

LOL is right.

what a magnificent train wreck this is...

I'm with ya....

[Lisu]

LOL is right.

what a magnificent train wreck this is...

I'm with ya....

I don't even know what you're talking about.  This thread is more beautiful that children being born.

[mDuo13]

LOL is right.
what a magnificent train wreck this is...

I'm with ya....

I don't even know what you're talking about.  This thread is more beautiful that children being born.

lol

[otakuya]

lol


Anyway, back to Lucky Star...


I'd like to see how the voices do in the American version. The Haruhi dub is alright, and (just like the Jap. version) most of the same seiyuu for both. Knowing Bandai, there's gonna be extras and a DVD Box Set with a lot of extra items. If the English voices don't work out, I can always switch it to the original Japanese w/subtitles.

[Stormfalcon]

As for the trainwreck that makes up most of this thread, it's a perfect example of why we really need ignore lists on this board.  ::)

[G.I.R]

LOL is right.

what a magnificent train wreck this is...

I'm with ya....

I don't even know what you're talking about.  This thread is more beautiful that children being born.

It...  It's so horrable! Yet I can't look away.  :o

[Chun]

I think what there is to say about Lucky Star localization is essentially this:

Why must you challenge the illogical?

Does "JP ONRY" mean nothing to you?

Do you know Oyashiro-sama?

See, you can't even answer that.

What are you doing son?

Ketsuron.

~Chun

[Lisu]

I think what there is to say about Lucky Star localization is essentially this:

Why must you challenge the illogical?

Does "JP ONRY" mean nothing to you?

Do you know Oyashiro-sama?

See, you can't even answer that.

What are you doing son?

Ketsuron.

~Chun

Yes, Hinamizawa.

[mDuo13]

I think what there is to say about Lucky Star localization is essentially this:

Why must you challenge the illogical?

Does "JP ONRY" mean nothing to you?

Do you know Oyashiro-sama?

See, you can't even answer that.

What are you doing son?

Ketsuron.

~Chun

Yes, Hinamizawa.

I kill you, you kill me.

[Tony]

Dude, you're an ignorant shit who don't know what you're talking about. How about Shutting the hell up?

Damn noobs these days... lol.

Wow... merry christmas dude!

[moderating]
No personal insults!
Normally I'd give a warning, but that was just... wow.
Exiled for a week.
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